Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-11 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 18:24:55 Edwin Leuven wrote: that's why we need a proper ui interface to load packages and set their options IMHO that is not lyx job's. -- José Abílio

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-11 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 18:24:55 Edwin Leuven wrote: > that's why we need a proper ui interface to load packages and set their > options IMHO that is not lyx job's. -- José Abílio

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
maybe i am misguided, but i must say that this feature smells like bloat to me. if i understand i well, it is basically used to have shortcuts in the docs and more easily generate latexfeatures.lyx 1. to document the shortcuts it would be enough to write see Tools-Preferences-Shortcuts. time

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. to document the shortcuts it would be enough to write see Tools-Preferences-Shortcuts. time would be better spend implementing this. No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy developers change something without touching the

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy developers change something without touching the documentation is good. Note also that people who use mac or emacs bindings will appreciate to see the right bindings. A documentation that only says

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy developers change something without touching the documentation is good. Note also that people who use mac or emacs bindings will appreciate to see the right

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And when the documentation is printed? no, and so what? as long as we have documented where to find the info, and as long as it is easily accessible we can then simply add a shortcut in the help menu that shows this log file in the same way we show the latex log

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And when the documentation is printed? no, and so what? as long as we have documented where to find the info, and as long as it is easily accessible I think this discussion is becoming irrational. Instead of answering that

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Bo Peng
i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. Cheers, Bo

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
I am not sure why you feel so upset about this feature. i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here regards, ed. PS and no, i won't start signing my mails with napoleon ;-)

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well what is the point of latexfeatures.lyx? first nobody looks at this. If you prove this you might have a point. IF. I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am not a LateX expert. But, as

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. In this case, it should be a tightly packed cheat-sheet (is that the

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Bo Peng
I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am not a LateX expert. But, as Edwin asked, if I was a LateX expert would I need this file? If we are going to keep this file around, InsetInfo simplies the handling of it. Right now, latex chktex will generate a sed file so

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 16:17:50 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am not a LateX expert. But, as Edwin asked, if I was a LateX expert would I need this file? Just because you are a latex expert does not mean that you don't

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng wrote: i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. I agree that this file have some benefits for someone wanting to learn by hart the

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help-Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Edwin Leuven
José Matos wrote: Just because you are a latex expert does not mean that you don't want to know what are the packages that lyx depends on without looking directly to the source, or am I missing any detail here? :-) that's why we need a proper ui interface to load packages and set their

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
maybe i am misguided, but i must say that this "feature" smells like bloat to me. if i understand i well, it is basically used to have shortcuts in the docs and more easily generate latexfeatures.lyx 1. to document the shortcuts it would be enough to write "see Tools->Preferences->Shortcuts".

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. to document the shortcuts it would be enough to write "see > Tools->Preferences->Shortcuts". time would be better spend > implementing this. No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy developers change something without touching

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy > developers change something without touching the documentation is > good. Note also that people who use mac or emacs bindings will > appreciate to see the right bindings. A documentation that only

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> No. Having a documentation that is kept up to date when the lazy >> developers change something without touching the documentation is >> good. Note also that people who use mac or emacs bindings will >> appreciate to see

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > And when the documentation is printed? no, and so what? as long as we have documented where to find the info, and as long as it is easily accessible >> we can then simply add a shortcut in the help menu that shows this log file >> in the same way we show the latex

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> And when the documentation is printed? > > no, and so what? as long as we have documented where to find the > info, and as long as it is easily accessible I think this discussion is becoming irrational. Instead of

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Bo Peng
> i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. Cheers, Bo

RE: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Leuven, E.
> I am not sure why you feel so upset about this feature. i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here regards, ed. PS and no, i won't start signing my mails with "napoleon" ;-)

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: well what is the point of latexfeatures.lyx? first nobody looks at this. If you prove this you might have a point. IF. I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am not a LateX expert. But, as

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Bo Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here > > Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I > would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. In this case, it should be a tightly packed cheat-sheet (is

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Bo Peng
> I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am > not a LateX expert. But, as Edwin asked, if I was a LateX expert would I > need this file? If we are going to keep this file around, InsetInfo simplies the handling of it. Right now, latex chktex will generate a sed file

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 16:17:50 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I am not everybody but I've never ever had a look at this file. But I am > not a LateX expert. But, as Edwin asked, if I was a LateX expert would I > need this file? Just because you are a latex expert does not mean that you don't

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng wrote: i not upset, and i think that i am the one being rational here Shortcuts.lyx would be the first, and may be the last lyx document I would print, and put next to my screen when I use lyx. I agree that this file have some benefits for someone wanting to learn by hart the

Re: [PATCH] InsetInfo and document help->Shortcuts (feature creep)

2007-10-10 Thread Edwin Leuven
José Matos wrote: Just because you are a latex expert does not mean that you don't want to know what are the packages that lyx depends on without looking directly to the source, or am I missing any detail here? :-) that's why we need a proper ui interface to load packages and set their