Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Georg Baum
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? Mostly selfish reason. Give this scons stuff to settle a bit and we will look at it. OK, I will come back when I think it is time. Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak I understand all this, really. Nevertheless, maybe because Abdelrazak of this bad past experience, I have the feeling that you Abdelrazak (as a whole) are over protective with your baby. LyX is Abdelrazak not a baby anymore,

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Bo == Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was expecting that only the aspell.C file would be recompiled but I see that everything is being recompiled (see attached scons_lyx.log), is that normal, Bo? Bo That is because the whole commands that generate other files are Bo also changed,

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jose' Matos
On Thursday 11 May 2006 08:40, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: What would we do with a bear?? You should use it to keep the beer cool, I can assure you that there are not many people brave (== foolish) enough to face a polar bear just for a beer. So as you see your beer will be safe and cool.

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:49, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | That sounds like the maintainer you were looking for Lars :-) Can we trust a person that is afraid of cucumbers? Are you cucumberhater-o-fobic by any change? I am starting to think about withdrawing my proposal for the next

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:49, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | That sounds like the maintainer you were looking for Lars :-) | | Can we trust a person that is afraid of cucumbers? | | Are you cucumberhater-o-fobic by any change? | | I am starting

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:40:33AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: On 5/9/06, Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: Vim is *the* editing tool for me. *You can tell from the first line of every SCons* files). Why is this needed btw? Can't

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Georg Baum
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > | How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? > > Mostly selfish reason. > > Give this scons stuff to settle a bit and we will look at it. OK, I will come back when I think it is time. Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Abdelrazak> I understand all this, really. Nevertheless, maybe because Abdelrazak> of this bad past experience, I have the feeling that you Abdelrazak> (as a whole) are over protective with your baby. LyX is Abdelrazak> not a

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I was expecting that only the aspell.C file would be recompiled but >> I see that everything is being recompiled (see attached >> scons_lyx.log), is that normal, Bo? Bo> That is because the whole commands that generate other files are Bo> also

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jose' Matos
On Thursday 11 May 2006 08:40, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > What would we do with a bear?? You should use it to keep the beer cool, I can assure you that there are not many people brave (== foolish) enough to face a polar bear just for a beer. So as you see your beer will be safe and cool.

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:49, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > | That sounds like the maintainer you were looking for Lars :-) > > Can we trust a person that is afraid of cucumbers? Are you cucumberhater-o-fobic by any change? I am starting to think about withdrawing my proposal for the next

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:49, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > | That sounds like the maintainer you were looking for Lars :-) | > | > Can we trust a person that is afraid of cucumbers? | | Are you cucumberhater-o-fobic by any change? | | I am

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:40:33AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: > On 5/9/06, Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: > >> Vim is *the* editing tool for me. *You can tell from the first line of > >> every SCons* files). > > > >Why is this needed

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. I think it is possible to have aspell with your new extra_inc_path1 and extra_lib_path1, isn't it?

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Bo Peng wrote: A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend? Good

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so with cygwin? I did not read that email in detail, what I know is that gcc tells the content of a .c file and make itself g++ if the file is

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. I think it is possible to have

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. I think it

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:43:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so with cygwin? I did not read that email in detail, what I know is that gcc

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Could I suggest that you list the initial features that you want so that | scons stays in SVN? | | Lars wants an immediate replacement for autotools. That will not | happen any time soon. No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:39:32AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: Bo Peng wrote: A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:43:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so with cygwin? I did not read that email in

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:39:32AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: Bo Peng wrote: A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ (I know, this leads to non-portability. but

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum a écrit : (but I don't understand why we need scons in 1.4 at all, since it is only a maintenance branch) Agreed. We have already enough difficulty to let it stay in 1.5 so please don't advocate 1.4. Abdel.

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:39:09PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Enrico Forestieri a écrit : Wait a moment Abdel. If scons is using gcc to compile .C files it means that it is not able to recognize them as C++ sources. I confirm that Scons is using gcc and g++ to compile the .C file. I

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:39:09PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But gcc is used everywhere! I have removed 'win32' from the code above and it works the same. And you are using a native python, right? Right. I think these environment variable are simply

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:18:46PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Yep, actually I didn't need the xxx1 options because I only need aspell (what's this aiksaurus anyway??): It's a thesaurus http://aiksaurus.sourceforge.net/ -- Enrico

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
Joost If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be Joost very useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that Joost break important things. It used to work. What is broken now? Scons claims that it can generate vc project file so I think this is an easier way to

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
On 5/9/06, Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: Vim is *the* editing tool for me. *You can tell from the first line of every SCons* files). Why is this needed btw? Can't you use autocmd for it? I know, but when someone else is

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
When scons install works, I will look at making it part of my daily builds. This is the easy part, and will be done shortly. What are more difficult are scons dist, dist-clean, rpm etc, by which autotools are proud of. Bo

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend? Good to know, if you

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing autotools. Huge difference. Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons will evolve to a state that can replace autotools without doubt, but it is not easy to

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 16:51, Bo Peng wrote: I have no right to make such a big decision. I proposed a filename change and get is your problem fixed? reply. Namely, as long as lyx is working, such a big change is not welcome, especially when the source of the problem is from the stupidity of

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend? Good to know, if you continue like this you will save me some time because I don't need to read your posts anymore. I can't speak for Bo, of course, but I think he had 1.4 in mind. No, I only had 1.5 in mind. I was

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing | autotools. Huge difference. | | Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of | challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons will evolve to | a state that can replace

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend?

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Bo Peng a écrit : | A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use | the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ | (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). | | So this is the

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Lars Gullik Bjønnes a écrit : Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing | autotools. Huge difference. | | Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of | challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons will

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak Come on guys, keep cool. Lars just agreed for Scons Abdelrazak presence in trunk... IMHO there's better things in life Abdelrazak than to fight for these little matters. There was a time when developing for LyX did not involve

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Bo Peng wrote: I have no right to make such a big decision. I proposed a filename change and get is your problem fixed? reply. Namely, as long as lyx is working, such a big change is not welcome, especially when the source of the problem is from the stupidity of windows. I did not read it

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There was a time when developing for LyX did not involve flexing muscles all day long. It was nice. Indeed. Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a while. How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum a écrit : Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There was a time when developing for LyX did not involve flexing muscles all day long. It was nice. Indeed. Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a | while. | | How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? Mostly selfish reason. Give this scons stuff to settle a bit and we will look at it. When I

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:02, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves each time. I don't mind discussing myself (I probably enjoy it as it is a new experience for me ;-)); but if

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jose' Matos a écrit : On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:02, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves each time. I don't mind discussing myself (I probably enjoy it as it is a new

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I understand all this, really. Nevertheless, maybe because of this bad | past experience, I have the feeling that you (as a whole) are over | protective with your baby. LyX is not a baby anymore, she is now a | beautiful young lady that needs some

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
I was expecting that only the aspell.C file would be recompiled but I see that everything is being recompiled (see attached scons_lyx.log), is that normal, Bo? That is because the whole commands that generate other files are also changed, although others do not care about the added flags. Bo

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Michael Gerz
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a while. For instance, until the CT merge :-) Michael

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. I think it is possible to have aspell with your new extra_inc_path1 and extra_lib_path1, isn't it?

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Bo Peng wrote: > A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ > (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend?

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so with cygwin? I did not read that email in detail, what I know is that gcc tells the content of a .c file and make itself g++ if the file is

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Bo Peng a écrit : > >>because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that > >>it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). > > > >Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. > > I think it is possible

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not possible to have aspell at the moment). Not now. Please wait till we have the basics done. I think it

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:43:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Bo Peng a écrit : > >>Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source > >>files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so > >>with cygwin? > > > >I did not read that email in detail, what I

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Bo Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > Could I suggest that you list the initial features that you want so that | > scons stays in SVN? | | Lars wants an immediate replacement for autotools. That will not | happen any time soon. No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:39:32AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: > Bo Peng wrote: > > > A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use > > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ > > (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). > >

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:43:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : Abdel said that scons is able to recognize .C files as C++ source files on a native Windows environment. Why it is not able to do so with cygwin? I did not read that email in

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:39:32AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: >> Bo Peng wrote: >> >> > A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use >> > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ >> > (I know, this leads to

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Enrico Forestieri a écrit : > >On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > >>Bo Peng a écrit : > because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that > it is not possible to have

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum a écrit : (but I don't understand why we need scons in 1.4 at all, since it is only a maintenance branch) Agreed. We have already enough difficulty to let it stay in 1.5 so please don't advocate 1.4. Abdel.

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:39:09PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Enrico Forestieri a écrit : > >Wait a moment Abdel. If scons is using gcc to compile .C files it means > >that it is not able to recognize them as C++ sources. > > I confirm that Scons is using gcc and g++ to compile the .C

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:39:09PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But gcc is used everywhere! I have removed 'win32' from the code above and it works the same. And you are using a native python, right? Right. I think these environment variable are simply

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Enrico Forestieri a écrit : On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:32:01AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Bo Peng a écrit : because I asked for aspell support when configuring (I presume that it is not

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:18:46PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Yep, actually I didn't need the xxx1 options because I only need aspell > (what's this aiksaurus anyway??): It's a thesaurus http://aiksaurus.sourceforge.net/ -- Enrico

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
> Joost> If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be > Joost> very useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that > Joost> break important things. > > It used to work. What is broken now? Scons claims that it can generate vc project file so I think this is an easier

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
On 5/9/06, Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: > Vim is *the* editing tool for me. *You can tell from the first line of > every SCons* files). Why is this needed btw? Can't you use autocmd for it? I know, but when someone else is

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
When "scons install" works, I will look at making it part of my daily builds. This is the easy part, and will be done shortly. What are more difficult are scons dist, dist-clean, rpm etc, by which autotools are proud of. Bo

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
> A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ > (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend? Good to know, if

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing autotools. Huge difference. Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons will evolve to a state that can replace autotools without doubt, but it is not easy to

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 16:51, Bo Peng wrote: > I have no right to make such a big decision. I proposed a filename > change and get "is your problem fixed?" reply. Namely, as long as lyx > is working, such a big change is not welcome, especially when the > source of the problem is from the

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
> So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy weekend? > Good to know, if you continue like this you will save me some time because > I don't need to read your posts anymore. I can't speak for Bo, of course, but I think he had 1.4 in mind. No, I only had 1.5 in mind. I was

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Bo Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing | > autotools. Huge difference. | | Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of | challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons will evolve to | a state that can

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng a écrit : > A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ > (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). So this is the answer to my offer to do the renaming on a rainy

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Bo Peng a écrit : | >> > A renaming of lyx .C files will never happen so we will have to use | >> > the current solution, .i.e., force moc'ing, and force the use of g++ | >> > (I know, this leads to non-portability. but this is life). | >> | >>

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Lars Gullik Bjønnes a écrit : "Bo Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > No. I want immediate proof that scons is _capable_ of replacing | > autotools. Huge difference. | | Actually, I would like to free myself from the obligation of | challenging autotools. I personally believe that scons

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Abdelrazak> Come on guys, keep cool. Lars just agreed for Scons Abdelrazak> presence in trunk... IMHO there's better things in life Abdelrazak> than to fight for these little matters. There was a time when developing for LyX did

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Bo Peng wrote: > I have no right to make such a big decision. I proposed a filename > change and get "is your problem fixed?" reply. Namely, as long as lyx > is working, such a big change is not welcome, especially when the > source of the problem is from the stupidity of windows. I did not read

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > There was a time when developing for LyX did not involve flexing > muscles all day long. It was nice. Indeed. Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Georg Baum
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a > while. How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? Georg

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum a écrit : Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There was a time when developing for LyX did not involve flexing muscles all day long. It was nice. Indeed. Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | > I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a | > while. | | How long? Or more specifically: Why not now? Mostly selfish reason. Give this scons stuff to settle a bit and we will look at it. When I

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Jose' Matos
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:02, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have > to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves each time. > I don't mind discussing myself (I probably enjoy it as it is a new > experience for me ;-));

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jose' Matos a écrit : On Wednesday 10 May 2006 18:02, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guys, you have to recognize that it's difficult for us also that we have to fight for each and every feature and prove ourselves each time. I don't mind discussing myself (I probably enjoy it as it is a new

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | I understand all this, really. Nevertheless, maybe because of this bad | past experience, I have the feeling that you (as a whole) are over | protective with your baby. LyX is not a baby anymore, she is now a | beautiful young lady that needs some

Re: Fwd: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Bo Peng
I was expecting that only the aspell.C file would be recompiled but I see that everything is being recompiled (see attached scons_lyx.log), is that normal, Bo? That is because the whole commands that generate other files are also changed, although others do not care about the added flags. Bo

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-10 Thread Michael Gerz
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I am not really against a renaming. But I'd like it to wait for a while. For instance, until the CT merge :-) Michael

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Georg Baum
Joost Verburg wrote: If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be very useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that break important things. Note that compilation with MSVC++ worked fine some months ago (version 2003 aka 7, not 6, that one is simply broken), and that

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Joost == Joost Verburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joost Andre Poenitz wrote: Last time the Windows developers wanted to have .vcproj files. They got them. Joost If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be Joost very useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that Joost

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx]

2006-05-09 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 08 May 2006 18:43, Bo Peng wrote: That is quicker than ./configure but I agree that it is a concern. waf claims that it can do better here (by cache previous thinking process.) I have seen you refer waf several times. Will those changes be merged in upstream scons? I read a

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak You should have said something then. Because without Abdelrazak anyone saying anything it's difficult to get an idea. 3 Abdelrazak saying yes and 0 saying no... I think you get the picture. Say what? please do not commit

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx]

2006-05-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak John Levon a écrit : On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 04:19:29PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: scons: Configure: Checking for main() in C library nsl... What is this nsl library? It's networking functions on certain UNIX types

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum a écrit : Joost Verburg wrote: If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be very useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that break important things. Note that compilation with MSVC++ worked fine some months ago (version 2003 aka 7, not 6, that one is

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak You should have said something then. Because without Abdelrazak anyone saying anything it's difficult to get an idea. 3 Abdelrazak saying yes and 0 saying no... I think you get the picture. Say

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Georg Baum a écrit : | Joost Verburg wrote: | | If compilation with MSVC++ worked, the vcproj files would be very | useful. However, there are still incompatibilities that break important | things. | Note that compilation with MSVC++ worked fine

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx]

2006-05-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Abdelrazak == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak John Levon a écrit : On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 04:19:29PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: scons: Configure: Checking for main() in C library nsl... What is this nsl library? It's networking

Re: Debut of the scons-based build system for lyx

2006-05-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdel == Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdel I am repeating my self but it's a feature that touch Abdel _nothing_ at the current tree. So I reckon it is special. We'll see. Abdel Bo have apologized already for this, could we please move Abdel on? It is not fair, I was away for

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