Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
rgheck wrote: I think a lot of our users just find layout creation and editing to be a black art. Which is likely due to lack of documentation... /Konrad

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: rgheck wrote: I think a lot of our users just find layout creation and editing to be a black art. Which is likely due to lack of documentation... Revert. Customization manual! Sorry for the noise. /Konrad

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread G Milde
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Richard Heck wrote: G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a wizard like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. A wizard is pretty much what

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: Richard Heck wrote: G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a wizard like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Helge Hafting
Pavel Sanda wrote: call for help, it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the end goal is a working, complete and useful layout editor then I can't see how that wouldn't be complicated enough? i know

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Helge Hafting wrote: So, for a more serious spec: thanks, i was waiting for such kind of mail ;) * If it isn't too complex already - document the software well too. :-) this is mandatory anyway. pavel

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Pavel Sanda wrote: call for help, thanks to all involved, i compiled proposal from this thread. pavel

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
rgheck wrote: I think a lot of our users just find layout creation and editing to be a black art. Which is likely due to lack of documentation... /Konrad

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: rgheck wrote: I think a lot of our users just find layout creation and editing to be a black art. Which is likely due to lack of documentation... Revert. Customization manual! Sorry for the noise. /Konrad

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread G Milde
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Richard Heck wrote: >> G Milde wrote: >>> On the other side would be a "wizard" like layout-creator with >>> drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for >>> GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. >> A "wizard"

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: > Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Richard Heck wrote: >> >>> G Milde wrote: >>> On the other side would be a "wizard" like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Helge Hafting
Pavel Sanda wrote: call for help, it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the end goal is a working, complete and useful layout editor then I can't see how that wouldn't be "complicated enough"? i know

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Helge Hafting wrote: > So, for a more serious spec: thanks, i was waiting for such kind of mail ;) > * If it isn't too complex already - document the software well too. :-) this is mandatory anyway. pavel

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-25 Thread Pavel Sanda
Pavel Sanda wrote: > call for help, thanks to all involved, i compiled proposal from this thread. pavel

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread G Milde
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:24:17AM +, G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread rgheck
G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a wizard like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would not call this an editor -- hence my alternative suggestion.) A wizard is

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a wizard like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would not call this an editor -- hence my alternative

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: Richard Heck wrote: G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a wizard like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would not call this an editor --

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread G Milde
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:24:17AM +, G Milde wrote: >> Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> >> it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small >> >> school

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread rgheck
G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a "wizard" like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would not call this an editor -- hence my alternative suggestion.) A

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: > G Milde wrote: >> On the other side would be a "wizard" like layout-creator with >> drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for >> GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I >> would not call this an editor -- hence my

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-24 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: Richard Heck wrote: G Milde wrote: On the other side would be a "wizard" like layout-creator with drop-down and selection lists (like the citation insert dialogue) for GUI creation of layouts without exposure to the syntax. (However, I would not call this an editor

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: call for help, it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. i know there are people mastering layouts better than me, so it would help if you can

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread G Milde
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a lyx-layout mode

RE: Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a lyx-layout mode for an existing text editor (Jed, Emacs, Scintilla, ...). I also know a good and existing 'text

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead of a specialised editor, I would

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the goal is to build something useful (!) and maintained, I think it should be coded in C++ and part of LyX, or at least using

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: like tex2lyx does. In particular, the compilation should break as soon as an incompatible change is done to our Layout system changes. yes, something like this i had in my mind - to share lyx libs and data structure definitions. tex2lyx is a very good hint. If this

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the goal is to build something useful (!) and maintained, I think it should be coded in C++

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you mean layout reload through lyx pipe or launch new lyx instance with some sample (automatically generated?) document? Or make LyX display a lorem ipsum in a canvas that we provide. Also, it is important to support and encourage mechanisms to inherit

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread G Milde
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a lyx-layout mode for an existing text editor (Jed, Emacs,

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:24:17AM +, G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough.

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough.

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Christian Ridderström wrote: no, the project has to be self contained, otherwise the best would be make part of lyx itself. Would it be a part of the project to determine user requirements? no, thats not technically possible. in way i'm doing it right now by this thread :) pavel

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > call for help, > > it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small > school project provided that it is work complicated enough. > > i know there are people mastering layouts better than me, so it would > help if you

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread G Milde
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small >> school project provided that it is work complicated enough. Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a

RE: Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
>>> it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small >>> school project provided that it is work complicated enough. > >Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a lyx-layout "mode" for an existing text editor (Jed, Emacs, Scintilla, ...). > I also know a good and

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
G Milde wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > >> it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small > >> school project provided that it is work complicated enough. > > Instead of a specialised

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small > school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the goal is to build something useful (!) and maintained, I think it should be coded in C++ and part of LyX, or at least

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > like tex2lyx does. In particular, the compilation should break as soon > as an incompatible change is done to our Layout system changes. yes, something like this i had in my mind - to share lyx libs and data structure definitions. tex2lyx is a very good hint. > If

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough.

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. If the goal is to build something useful (!) and maintained, I think it should be coded in

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > you mean layout reload through lyx pipe or launch new lyx instance with some > sample (automatically generated?) document? Or make LyX display a lorem ipsum in a canvas that we provide. >> Also, it is important to support and encourage mechanisms to

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread G Milde
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough. >>Instead of a specialised editor, I would suggest a lyx-layout "mode" >> for an existing text editor

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:24:17AM +, G Milde wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > >> it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small > >> school project provided that it is work complicated

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: G Milde wrote: Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:46PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: it would be possible for me to lead lyx layout editor as a small school project provided that it is work complicated enough.

Re: LyX layout editor - specification

2008-09-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Christian Ridderström wrote: >> no, the project has to be self contained, otherwise the best would be make >> part of lyx itself. > > Would it be a part of the project to determine user requirements? no, thats not technically possible. in way i'm doing it right now by this thread :) pavel