Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That's a good idea actually (IMHO). Now shout me you LateX experts :-)
Each of these things should be done by the proper latex style (there
are several) and is specific for e.g. sections. It shall therefore be
done in document settings. Making this
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "What should a UI look like?" Minimize confusion by
> making it consistent with the rest of the app, and preferably
> quite a few other apps as well. Make exceptions only when
> there is a reason, but don't be afraid in those cases.
+1
JMarc
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto:
Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox
out there saying something like "Automatically update style", personally
to be preferenced as checked by default ?
If I understood you correctly this is already done by the ne
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto:
Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox
out there saying something like "Automatically update style", personally
to be preferenced as checked by default ?
If I understood you correctly this is already done by the new
"Immediate Apply" check
Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window,
palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them
(which is my prerogative).
It looks the way we want it to
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window,
> palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them
> (which is my prerogative).
It looks the way we want it to look like...
> The right
Leuven, E. wrote:
For some people, especially people on
smaller screens, or people who (like my wife)
like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful.
working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked...
No, certainly not. But it does mean it can be useful to have mo
Richard Heck wrote:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise?
It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses.
And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things
dockABLE is possible without too much other
> For some people, especially people on
> smaller screens, or people who (like my wife)
> like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful.
working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked...
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise?
It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses.
And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things
dockABLE is possible without too much other chaos, then I don't m
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs?
Me no but I do know some people that do.
Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having ano
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs?
Me no but I do know some people that do.
Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox
out there sa
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Leuven, E. wrote:
I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed.
Look at what I've just committed.
some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout
complaints:
- the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable
I tried
Leuven, E. wrote:
I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed.
Look at what I've just committed.
some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout
complaints:
- the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable
I tried but I am not good enough
>> I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed.
>
> Look at what I've just committed.
some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout
complaints:
- the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable
- the buttons should be at the bottom
- there is
Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) :
>
> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html
>
> The interface looks innovative with interesting Abdel'esque ideas.
Indeed. Someone mentionned earlier this notion of real fullscreen
(where
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>
> Qt designer is a good example. Open Office is another one. Typically OO
> would dock a paragraph settings dialog.
>
>
Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) :
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html
The interface looks innovative with interesti
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Have a look. I cannot say that I like it :) You see also what I mean
by tiny title bar (which is admittedly aesthetics).
This depends on the QStyle in use apparently.
Appearance:
A QDockWidget consists of a title bar and the content area. T
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Yes, for me dialogs bigger than the label input dialog are cumbersome
because I always have to move them to see what's underneath. The
paragraph dialog fall in this case.
OK, let's try to see what others are doing, then
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs?
Me no but I do know some people that do.
Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the
features that are useful because we kno
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking
behavior but to make it hard to dock by default.
"Forbid". You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :)
The quesiton is not why
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs?
>
> Me no but I do know some people that do.
Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the
features that are useful because we know people using them.
> Bu
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking
> behavior but to make it hard to dock by default.
"Forbid". You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :)
The quesiton is not why we should forbid it, it is w
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar
action. That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually
Edwin ;-)
i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a
toolbar
As a more powerful
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar action.
That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually Edwin ;-)
i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a
toolbar
I don't use the toolbars personally.
e
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and
key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would
you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4
buttons plus an e
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and
> key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would
> you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4
> buttons plus an edit box. Maybe some use
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c),
etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for
that but this thing is global to the Document.
It is not a service to users to adver
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c),
> etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for
> that but this thing is global to the Document.
It is not a service to users to advertise prominently a way to
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On a 24" screen?
OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case
(I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12" or
14" screen.
What we must look for is a solution that fits fulls
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On a 24" screen?
>
> OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case
> (I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12" or
> 14" screen.
What we must look for is a solution that fits fullscreen and non
fullscre
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
We'll wait for other's input but I would advocate to revert the dock
part personally.
Noted but you didn't answer my question about what would make it feel
like a well behaved dialog if undocked?
Personally I miss only two things, both
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I can think of other settings for this dialog, not necessarily limited
to ParagraphParameters. Think counter, think
What do you want to do to counters?
Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
If you let the outline open to the left and ultimately the citation
dialog to the right it will be OK :-)
On a 24" screen?
OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I
won't either) but I c
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I can think of other settings for this dialog, not necessarily limited
> to ParagraphParameters. Think counter, think
What do you want to do to counters?
>> really, the use you are talking about doesn't fit with the wysiwym
>> philosophy...
>
> Wys
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-)
+1. I'd even prefer a toolbar, actually.
JMarc
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you let the outline open to the left and ultimately the citation
> dialog to the right it will be OK :-)
On a 24" screen?
JMarc
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 03:23:46PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Hope you'll like it... if not I'll revert everything.
Yes, please. Revert it.
--
Enrico
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Like it is right now, I agree it is not excessively useful ... But
honestly, if we had some other bits like two buttons for
> increasing/decreasing the depth, it will be a lot more useful.
i think you forgot that those two buttons are (and should be) on the toolbar
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Anyway, a bit of tolerance for those that don't enjoy positioning
windows would be nice.
i run full-screen (yep, you guessed it, 12" laptop) but i never feel the
need to size and position the paragraph dialog...
Like it is right now, I agree it i
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Anyway, a bit of tolerance for those that don't enjoy positioning
windows would be nice.
i run full-screen (yep, you guessed it, 12" laptop) but i never feel the
need to size and position the paragraph dialog...
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to
remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to
dockwidget.
Yes, I understood this is where you are heading, but I do not like it much.
Th
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
FYI, there is a bug in the GUII framework in that the dialog is not
updated on Cursor movement as it used to be (hence the buggy toc and
ViewSource for example). When that is fixed, I assume that the paragraph
dialog will be automatically updated at startup and upon cu
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
I know but they are not "forced" do use it :-)
and it shouldn't be made too easy for them to abuse it
But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the
dialog automatically reflecting the current paragraph settings. Pretty
cool
Helge Hafting wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to
remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to
dockwidget. This is because I always work in full screen mode. With
Tabified dockwidget this is even better because the
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I don't ever work maximized though - they could remove the max button and
I wouldn't notice.
Vertical maximization is nice.
I understand that maximizing can be useful when you don't need to see
extra material, but many
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
I know but they are not "forced" do use it :-)
and it shouldn't be made too easy for them to abuse it
But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the
dialog automatically reflecting the current paragraph settings. Pretty
cool IMO.
cool perhaps,
Leuven, E. wrote:
I agree and that's where I need your help ;-)
personally i would prefer to keep this dialog modal.
also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-)
I know but they are not "forced" do use it :-)
But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the
d
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't ever work maximized though - they could remove the max button and
> I wouldn't notice.
Vertical maximization is nice.
> I understand that maximizing can be useful when you don't need to see
> extra material, but many people do need that.
A
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to
remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to
dockwidget. This is because I always work in full screen mode. With
Tabified dockwidget this is even better because the dialog is a single
cl
> I agree and that's where I need your help ;-)
personally i would prefer to keep this dialog modal.
also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-)
Leuven, E. wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But I understand your point and I'd propose to detach it by
default, is that OK?
as long as the detached layout is good (ie gives a well designed
dialog), that would be fine with me i suppose.
note that at the moment the layout does not adjust to whe
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to
> remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to
> dockwidget.
Yes, I understood this is where you are heading, but I do not like it much.
> This is because I always wo
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
hi abdel,
to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget
Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a
rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. I would prefer to have a few
careful
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
hi abdel,
to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget
Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a
rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO.
Why is that? The only difference i
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> But I understand your point and I'd
> propose to detach it by default, is that OK?
as long as the detached layout is good (ie gives a well designed dialog), that
would be fine with me i suppose.
note that at the moment the layout does not adjust to where it is docked.
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> hi abdel,
>
> to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget
Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a
rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. I would prefer to have a few
carefully selected dialogs turned
Leuven, E. wrote:
hi abdel,
to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a
dockwidget
i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open
(with the toc for example, but maybe also the references), or get the
dialog out of the way (like with the find/replace dialog)
hi abdel,
to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget
i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open (with the toc
for example, but maybe also the references), or get the dialog out of the way
(like with the find/replace dialog)
this is not the ca
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Author: younes
Date: Wed Sep 26 15:13:01 2007
New Revision: 20513
URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20513
Log:
Redesign and cleanup the Paragraph Settings dialog:
- GuiParagraphDialog: Renamed to GuiParagraph
- Now use the DockView infrastructure (and is thus docked
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