Am 07.03.2018 um 16:17 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
I am going nuts. MiKTeX released now some fixes to its package handling
but they arrived broken on the package servers. Therefore since today
the solution we found for LyX in combination with MiKTeX doesn't work.
This was not correct. In fact MiKTeX
Am 07.03.2018 um 18:16 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
OK, I see now. But wasn't there something equivalent before that?
The console is a new concept. Before there exist 2 different programs,
one for the settings, one for the package handling. the new console
unites them.
What makes
Am 07.03.2018 um 17:27 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
I must admit that I haven't tested the
"never" case for a long time.
I tested this now and the installer correctly respects the setting
"never". So never means never. You don't get any updates nor packages if
you really don't want this.
Configuring
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> I think that explaining people how to install LaTeX themselves is the way
> to go. You cannot bear the weight of basically maintaining a LaTeX
> distribution on top of the ever changing MikTex. The example of rupee that
> you gave later in your message is typically
Le 07/03/2018 à 17:27, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
In general: I have no problem in being criticized. But I have a problem
that I am talking directly to the MiKTeX developer to find a solution
and when I do what he proposes you are telling me that it can be done
better.
I think you are indeed the
Am 06.03.2018 um 16:37 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
In general: I have no problem in being criticized. But I have a problem
that I am talking directly to the MiKTeX developer to find a solution
and when I do what he proposes you are telling me that it can be done
better.
The goal is
On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 03:17:05PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> > I would nevertheless wait with the announcement because the MiKTeX
> > developer promised to make a release just for us soon. If it will be
> > available by Tuesday, I will create a new
On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 03:37:44PM +, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Either invest time to try it out on Windows on your own or trust me and
> > the MiKTeX developer. I have other things to do on a sunny day than to
> > sit at home like a nerd with 3 different PCs to test different
> >
Am 04.03.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
I would nevertheless wait with the announcement because the MiKTeX
developer promised to make a release just for us soon. If it will be
available by Tuesday, I will create a new installer, if not, let's
release LyX 2.3.0 with the installer version 3 I
On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 01:44:38PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Here is my last attempt to explain the situation. Then I will be quiet
I hope that we can continue this discussion. Specifically, I think the
proposal to give a message and ask the user is reasonable. Thanks for
all of your time on
Le 06/03/2018 à 14:44, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Here is my last attempt to explain the situation. Then I will be quiet
because I already invested now about 20 hours in nothing else than this.
The goal is definitely not that you become quiet, which would mean "This
is my last word. Either you
Am 06.03.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Richard Heck:
What? So I should deliver a LyX installer leading to a broken LaTeX
that can only be fixed by reinstalling MiKTeX? That cannot be the goal!
The proposal is to *abort* the LyX installation, if the user does not
want to update. You can explain in a
On 03/05/2018 07:33 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 05.03.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Richard Heck:
>
>> Uwe, even if LyX will not work without the updated installation, we
>> CANNOT update the user's LaTeX installation without asking for
>> permission---which means giving them the option to cancel the entire
Am 05.03.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Richard Heck:
Uwe, even if LyX will not work without the updated installation, we
CANNOT update the user's LaTeX installation without asking for
permission---which means giving them the option to cancel the entire
install. Otherwise, we can break things, as in the
On 03/05/2018 03:18 PM, racoon wrote:
> On 05.03.2018 20:16, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>> Am 05.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb racoon:
>>
>>> However, it does not give the user a choice on whether to update
>>> MiKTeX or not.
>>
>> Yes, that is correct and I explained now in several mails why and
>> that there
On 05.03.2018 20:16, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Am 05.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb racoon:
However, it does not give the user a choice on whether to update
MiKTeX or not.
Yes, that is correct and I explained now in several mails why and that
there is no other option.
Sorry, I have a bit of a hard time
Am 05.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb racoon:
However, it does not give the user a choice on whether to update MiKTeX
or not.
Yes, that is correct and I explained now in several mails why and that
there is no other option.
Also, I noticed that the MiKTeX Package Manager opens up for some reason
On 05.03.2018 19:37, racoon wrote:
On 04.03.2018 19:36, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Am 04.03.2018 um 16:19 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
maintainer proposed a workaround for the main bug. I cannot promise
that I will find time today to check if
On 04.03.2018 19:36, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Am 04.03.2018 um 16:19 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
maintainer proposed a workaround for the main bug. I cannot promise
that I will find time today to check if this will work for all cases.
OK,
Le 04/03/2018 à 22:23, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
We need to install packages (hyphenation, language support, tipa, math,
etc.) because we cannot know what features will be used by the user.
This can only be done if the user has a working package handling system.
As user I expect a working software
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 06:36:54PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 16:19 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> > Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
> > maintainer proposed a workaround for the main bug. I cannot promise that
> > I will find time today to check if this
Am 04.03.2018 um 18:59 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
So I install texlive with the medium size install
Sure, but to do this you need Internet access.
Having to wait
until I actually use LyX to decide what packages to install would be a
recipe for failure.
Again, the problem I had is not
Am 04.03.2018 um 16:19 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
maintainer proposed a workaround for the main bug. I cannot promise that
I will find time today to check if this will work for all cases.
OK, I could check it and it works. The new
Le 04/03/2018 à 17:22, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
A fully functional LyX is impossible without Internet connection because
missing LaTeX packages must be installed via Internet. There is no
difference between TeXLive and MiKTeX in this respect.
(polemic:
Let's look around, even in poor countries
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 03:19:40PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 00:32 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> > As soon there is a new MiKTeX installer available I will release another
> > installer
>
> Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
> maintainer proposed a
Am 04.03.2018 um 16:59 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I don't want to write pages to describe the problematic in detail.
Summarized, the problem is that MiKTeX uses a new package handling system
and in order to use LyX with MiKTeX this new system must be used.
LyX works on Windows with a TeX Live
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:32:23PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 02.03.2018 um 20:16 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> > - Conclusion: I cannot do more right now to wait until MiKTeX releases
> > the fixes for the 2 bugs.
>
> Here is the solution in form of a new installer:
>
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:44:43PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 03.03.2018 um 19:24 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > > > I have a similar concern to Richard (and a similar disclaimer that I
> > > > don't know much about Windows). Even if what you put is the case, I
> > > > would prefer for the LyX
Am 04.03.2018 um 00:32 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
As soon there is a new MiKTeX installer available I will release another
installer
Good news: There will be a new MiKTeX installer soon and the MiKTeX
maintainer proposed a workaround for the main bug. I cannot promise that
I will find time today to
Am 03.03.2018 um 19:24 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I have a similar concern to Richard (and a similar disclaimer that I
don't know much about Windows). Even if what you put is the case, I
would prefer for the LyX installer to just give an error such as "Cannot
install LyX without the newest
Am 02.03.2018 um 20:16 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
- Conclusion: I cannot do more right now to wait until MiKTeX releases
the fixes for the 2 bugs.
Here is the solution in form of a new installer:
http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
I don't want to write pages to describe the problematic in
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:17:21PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 12:26:35AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > Am 02.03.2018 um 20:59 schrieb Richard Heck:
> >
> > > I don't know a lot about Windows, but let me just ask: Do we really want
> > > to force people to upgrade some
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:52:17PM +, racoon wrote:
>
>
> On 03.03.2018 18:17, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 12:26:35AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > > Am 02.03.2018 um 20:59 schrieb Richard Heck:
> > >
> > > > I don't know a lot about Windows, but let me just ask: Do we
On 03.03.2018 18:17, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 12:26:35AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Am 02.03.2018 um 20:59 schrieb Richard Heck:
I don't know a lot about Windows, but let me just ask: Do we really want
to force people to upgrade some other package when they install LyX?
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 12:26:35AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 02.03.2018 um 20:59 schrieb Richard Heck:
>
> > I don't know a lot about Windows, but let me just ask: Do we really want
> > to force people to upgrade some other package when they install LyX?
>
> As I wrote in a previous post, the
On 02.03.2018 20:16, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Here is the final analysis:
- I created a new installer that forces a silent MiKTeX update. This
assures that every user gets the current MiKTeX package handling system.
Do you know how I can check whether I already have the current MiKTeX
package
Am 02.03.2018 um 20:59 schrieb Richard Heck:
I don't know a lot about Windows, but let me just ask: Do we really want
to force people to upgrade some other package when they install LyX?
As I wrote in a previous post, the thing is that MiKTeX released in
February a new package handling
On 03/02/2018 02:16 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Here is the final analysis:
>
> - there is definitely no Virus or so, these false positives can be
> ignored
>
> - there is a bug in LyX we need to fix:
> https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11053
>
> - I created a new installer that forces a silent MiKTeX
Here is the final analysis:
- there is definitely no Virus or so, these false positives can be ignored
- there is a bug in LyX we need to fix:
https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11053
- I created a new installer that forces a silent MiKTeX update. This
assures that every user gets the current
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