Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Sergio R. Caprile wrote:
 On 27/05/12 09:07, LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
  Comment (by spitz):
   Replying to [ticket:8173 scaprile]:
First, sometimes there is the need to track references in the other
   
   direction, that is, find the places in many documents where there is a
   reference to a label.
   
   Did you try Document  Outline?
 
 My friend, I think we are not understanding each other. My outline
 window is always open. What I try to mean is
 I have this:
 \subsubsection{System Control Space\label{sub:System-Control-Space}}
 and I need to find all the
 please go to \vref{sub:System-Control-Space}
 in 10 or 12 documents encompassing my whole project. Let's say:
 
 M3:page 7
 M4:page 12
 micros:page 122
 
 so I can click and go there. 

I understand. At least for documents that are connected (via master-child) you 
can do exactly this via Document  Outline. You need to select Labels and 
references from the combo box in the outliner (instead of Table of 
Contents).

If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says see section
   
   xref, one might need to change it (the word section automagically
   included could be good also)
   
   Use formatted reference (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
   user guide for details.
 
 OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
 working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
 Lyx-ful way ?

What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box, 
prettyref though only for English.

Second, sometimes a label is removed, maybe to put it somewhere else
   
   with a different name. Then there is the need to find BROKEN links in all
   the documents referring to that label. Besides the BROKEN word, perhaps
   their color could change maybe to red, and an automatic search and
   display
   on a window with a goto feature would be great.
   
   Again, Document  Outline will help you find those references easily.
 
 No, if you re-read the example I've given, the outline window will help
 me find the sections and paragraphs, not all the places in the document
 where there is a reference to those. Let alone the BROKEN references

Of course it will (and many more) if you select the respective category.

Jürgen



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 28/05/2012 04:50 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 I understand. At least for documents that are connected (via master-child) 
 you 
 can do exactly this via Document  Outline. You need to select Labels and 
 references from the combo box in the outliner (instead of Table of 
 Contents).

mmm... not exactly what I had in mind, but it works. Thanks.
It's too much information (all the stuff in one window) but solves my
problem, thanks again.

 
   If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says see section
  
  xref, one might need to change it (the word section automagically
  included could be good also)
  
  Use formatted reference (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
  user guide for details.

 OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
 working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
 Lyx-ful way ?
 
 What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box, 
 prettyref though only for English.
 

I happen to write in spanish...
Nevermind, this is not common and I can solve it with the above stuff.
Thanks



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/28/2012 03:50 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Sergio R. Caprile wrote:

If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says see section

  xref, one might need to change it (the word section automagically
  included could be good also)

  Use formatted reference (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
  user guide for details.

OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
Lyx-ful way ?

What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box,
prettyref though only for English.


Refstyle should also work for Spanish.

Richard



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 28/05/2012 09:58 a.m., LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
  So can we close this ticket?

Sure!



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Sergio R. Caprile wrote:
> On 27/05/12 09:07, LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
> > Comment (by spitz):
> >  Replying to [ticket:8173 scaprile]:
> >  > First, sometimes there is the need to track references in the other
> >  
> >  direction, that is, find the places in many documents where there is a
> >  reference to a label.
> >  
> >  Did you try Document > Outline?
> 
> My friend, I think we are not understanding each other. My outline
> window is always open. What I try to mean is
> I have this:
> \subsubsection{System Control Space\label{sub:System-Control-Space}}
> and I need to find all the
> please go to \vref{sub:System-Control-Space}
> in 10 or 12 documents encompassing my whole project. Let's say:
> 
> M3:page 7
> M4:page 12
> micros:page 122
> 
> so I can click and go there. 

I understand. At least for documents that are connected (via master-child) you 
can do exactly this via Document > Outline. You need to select "Labels and 
references" from the combo box in the outliner (instead of "Table of 
Contents").

> >  > If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says "see section
> >  
> >  ", one might need to change it (the word "section" automagically
> >  included could be good also)
> >  
> >  Use "formatted reference" (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
> >  user guide for details.
> 
> OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
> working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
> "Lyx-ful" way ?

What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box, 
prettyref though only for English.

> >  > Second, sometimes a label is removed, maybe to put it somewhere else
> >  
> >  with a different name. Then there is the need to find BROKEN links in all
> >  the documents referring to that label. Besides the "BROKEN" word, perhaps
> >  their color could change maybe to red, and an automatic search and
> >  display
> >  on a window with a goto feature would be great.
> >  
> >  Again, Document > Outline will help you find those references easily.
> 
> No, if you re-read the example I've given, the outline window will help
> me find the sections and paragraphs, not all the places in the document
> where there is a reference to those. Let alone the BROKEN references

Of course it will (and many more) if you select the respective category.

Jürgen



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 28/05/2012 04:50 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> I understand. At least for documents that are connected (via master-child) 
> you 
> can do exactly this via Document > Outline. You need to select "Labels and 
> references" from the combo box in the outliner (instead of "Table of 
> Contents").

mmm... not exactly what I had in mind, but it works. Thanks.
It's too much information (all the stuff in one window) but solves my
problem, thanks again.

> 
>>>  > If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says "see section
>>>  
>>>  ", one might need to change it (the word "section" automagically
>>>  included could be good also)
>>>  
>>>  Use "formatted reference" (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
>>>  user guide for details.
>>
>> OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
>> working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
>> "Lyx-ful" way ?
> 
> What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box, 
> prettyref though only for English.
> 

I happen to write in spanish...
Nevermind, this is not common and I can solve it with the above stuff.
Thanks



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/28/2012 03:50 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Sergio R. Caprile wrote:

  >  If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says "see section

  ", one might need to change it (the word "section" automagically
  included could be good also)

  Use "formatted reference" (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
  user guide for details.

OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
"Lyx-ful" way ?

What are you missing exactly? I think nameref should work out of the box,
prettyref though only for English.


Refstyle should also work for Spanish.

Richard



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-28 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 28/05/2012 09:58 a.m., LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
>  So can we close this ticket?

Sure!



Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-27 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 27/05/12 09:07, LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
 Comment (by spitz):
 
  Replying to [ticket:8173 scaprile]:
   First, sometimes there is the need to track references in the other
  direction, that is, find the places in many documents where there is a
  reference to a label.
 
  Did you try Document  Outline?

My friend, I think we are not understanding each other. My outline
window is always open. What I try to mean is
I have this:
\subsubsection{System Control Space\label{sub:System-Control-Space}}
and I need to find all the
please go to \vref{sub:System-Control-Space}
in 10 or 12 documents encompassing my whole project. Let's say:

M3:page 7
M4:page 12
micros:page 122

so I can click and go there. The same stuff as the current xref window,
only backwards... besides the go to link button, a see what refers to
this label button that performs a search in the text top-down from the
master document and pinpoints all the references. (I guess putting all
referrers in the database may not be worthy, would probably require a
table for each label, whatever, this is just a suggestion).

Maybe this sheds some light.
I have no outline tool, and I'm writing while I'm doing my research.
I happen to work in parallel on many chapters of a book. Sometimes, when
something happens to a section, I realize there is a reference to that
section or to that content somewhere else. I need to find those
references and do some rephrasing or corrections or whatever.


   If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says see section
  xref, one might need to change it (the word section automagically
  included could be good also)
 
  Use formatted reference (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
  user guide for details.

OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
Lyx-ful way ?


   Second, sometimes a label is removed, maybe to put it somewhere else
  with a different name. Then there is the need to find BROKEN links in all
  the documents referring to that label. Besides the BROKEN word, perhaps
  their color could change maybe to red, and an automatic search and display
  on a window with a goto feature would be great.
 
  Again, Document  Outline will help you find those references easily.
 

No, if you re-read the example I've given, the outline window will help
me find the sections and paragraphs, not all the places in the document
where there is a reference to those. Let alone the BROKEN references

Regards

BTW, this is  just a suggestion, the program is great, I'm just trying
to get some outlining functions out of it. Great stuff, congratulations

-- 
-
Sergio R. Caprile, Human Being, Bs.As., Argentina
Electronics Engineer, Musician (guitarist), TaoFx
http://www.scaprile.ldir.com.ar/
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Re: #8173: broken/changed label handling in corss-references window

2012-05-27 Thread Sergio R. Caprile
On 27/05/12 09:07, LyX Ticket Tracker wrote:
> Comment (by spitz):
> 
>  Replying to [ticket:8173 scaprile]:
>  > First, sometimes there is the need to track references in the other
>  direction, that is, find the places in many documents where there is a
>  reference to a label.
> 
>  Did you try Document > Outline?

My friend, I think we are not understanding each other. My outline
window is always open. What I try to mean is
I have this:
\subsubsection{System Control Space\label{sub:System-Control-Space}}
and I need to find all the
please go to \vref{sub:System-Control-Space}
in 10 or 12 documents encompassing my whole project. Let's say:

M3:page 7
M4:page 12
micros:page 122

so I can click and go there. The same stuff as the current xref window,
only backwards... besides the "go to link" button, a "see what refers to
this label" button that performs a search in the text top-down from the
master document and pinpoints all the references. (I guess putting all
referrers in the database may not be worthy, would probably require a
table for each label, whatever, this is just a suggestion).

Maybe this sheds some light.
I have no outline tool, and I'm writing while I'm doing my research.
I happen to work in parallel on many chapters of a book. Sometimes, when
something happens to a section, I realize there is a reference to that
section or to that content somewhere else. I need to find those
references and do some rephrasing or corrections or whatever.


>  > If a section changes to a paragraph and the text says "see section
>  ", one might need to change it (the word "section" automagically
>  included could be good also)
> 
>  Use "formatted reference" (prettyref or nameref) for this task. See the
>  user guide for details.

OK, this is tricky, I have to mess with the Latex preamble to get this
working. Maybe the preferences window could be the job in a more
"Lyx-ful" way ?


>  > Second, sometimes a label is removed, maybe to put it somewhere else
>  with a different name. Then there is the need to find BROKEN links in all
>  the documents referring to that label. Besides the "BROKEN" word, perhaps
>  their color could change maybe to red, and an automatic search and display
>  on a window with a goto feature would be great.
> 
>  Again, Document > Outline will help you find those references easily.
> 

No, if you re-read the example I've given, the outline window will help
me find the sections and paragraphs, not all the places in the document
where there is a reference to those. Let alone the BROKEN references

Regards

BTW, this is  just a suggestion, the program is great, I'm just trying
to get some outlining functions out of it. Great stuff, congratulations

-- 
-
Sergio R. Caprile, Human Being, Bs.As., Argentina
Electronics Engineer, Musician (guitarist), TaoFx
http://www.scaprile.ldir.com.ar/
-