subject:"Re\: feature request"

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:21:47PM -0500, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> On 1/13/21 12:19 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > No preferred Linux distribution and indeed we have users on the dev list 
> > and user list from several different ones.
> >
> > That said, I'm certain that such a command can be written for Windows, so 
> > don't switch just for that :). I just do not know how to write it on 
> > Windows. The main idea would be to use R to read the data.table and 
> > generate the LaTeX (e.g., using the xtable package or one of the many other 
> > packages to export LaTeX) and to then call the tex2lyx program that ships 
> > with LyX that imports LaTeX into LyX.
> 
> Scott, I don't know if you know this, or if it's relevant, but Windows
> 10 can be downloaded for free and installed into a virtual machine. That
> would give you a simple environment to test this.

That is good to know. I don't think I want to jump down that rabbit hole right 
now.

Scott


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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:19:38PM -0500, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> On 1/13/21 11:57 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:50:49AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >> Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
> >>> Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
> >>> Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
> >>> using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would
> >>> be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
> >>> objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
> >>> thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
> >>> data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
> >>> benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.
> >> Hi Doug,
> >>
> >> Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code in
> >> your document. I use that a lot and it is great.
> > I also find knitr to be very helpful with tables.
> >
> > By the way, if you happen to be on Linux, I can write a simple command for 
> > you that does the conversion from a data.table to a .lyx file that has a 
> > table. I know you're proposing a feature that will benefit all LyX users, 
> > but I offer this nonetheless.
> 
> Can you write it in Python? Then it could function like other import
> scripts.

I could probably figure it out. But right now I don't have time. If Tom and 
Doug would find the command useful in a few months, I can work on it then.

Scott


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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

2021-01-13 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck

On 1/13/21 12:19 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> Tom,
>
> No preferred Linux distribution and indeed we have users on the dev list and 
> user list from several different ones.
>
> That said, I'm certain that such a command can be written for Windows, so 
> don't switch just for that :). I just do not know how to write it on Windows. 
> The main idea would be to use R to read the data.table and generate the LaTeX 
> (e.g., using the xtable package or one of the many other packages to export 
> LaTeX) and to then call the tex2lyx program that ships with LyX that imports 
> LaTeX into LyX.

Scott, I don't know if you know this, or if it's relevant, but Windows
10 can be downloaded for free and installed into a virtual machine. That
would give you a simple environment to test this.

Riki


> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 05:15:21PM +, Thomas Philips wrote:
>> Scott,
>> Thanks for the gracious and generous offer,  but unfortunately we are on 
>> Windows,  not Linux. Out of curiosity,  is there a preferred Linux 
>> distribution for Lyx?
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>>
>> 
>> From: Scott Kostyshak 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:57 AM
>> To: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
>> Cc: [email protected]; Doug Martin; Thomas Philips
>> Subject: Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:50:49AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>> Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
>>>> Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
>>>> Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
>>>> using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would
>>>> be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
>>>> objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
>>>> thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
>>>> data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
>>>> benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code in
>>> your document. I use that a lot and it is great.
>> I also find knitr to be very helpful with tables.
>>
>> By the way, if you happen to be on Linux, I can write a simple command for 
>> you that does the conversion from a data.table to a .lyx file that has a 
>> table. I know you're proposing a feature that will benefit all LyX users, 
>> but I offer this nonetheless.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>

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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

2021-01-13 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck

On 1/13/21 11:57 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:50:49AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
>>> Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
>>> Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
>>> using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would
>>> be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
>>> objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
>>> thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
>>> data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
>>> benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code in
>> your document. I use that a lot and it is great.
> I also find knitr to be very helpful with tables.
>
> By the way, if you happen to be on Linux, I can write a simple command for 
> you that does the conversion from a data.table to a .lyx file that has a 
> table. I know you're proposing a feature that will benefit all LyX users, but 
> I offer this nonetheless.

Can you write it in Python? Then it could function like other import
scripts.

Riki


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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

Tom,

No preferred Linux distribution and indeed we have users on the dev list and 
user list from several different ones.

That said, I'm certain that such a command can be written for Windows, so don't 
switch just for that :). I just do not know how to write it on Windows. The 
main idea would be to use R to read the data.table and generate the LaTeX 
(e.g., using the xtable package or one of the many other packages to export 
LaTeX) and to then call the tex2lyx program that ships with LyX that imports 
LaTeX into LyX.

Best,
Scott


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 05:15:21PM +, Thomas Philips wrote:
> Scott,
> Thanks for the gracious and generous offer,  but unfortunately we are on 
> Windows,  not Linux. Out of curiosity,  is there a preferred Linux 
> distribution for Lyx?
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>
> 
> 
> From: Scott Kostyshak 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:57 AM
> To: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> Cc: [email protected]; Doug Martin; Thomas Philips
> Subject: Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:50:49AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
> > > Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
> > > Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
> > > using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would
> > > be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
> > > objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
> > > thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
> > > data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
> > > benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code in
> > your document. I use that a lot and it is great.
> 
> I also find knitr to be very helpful with tables.
> 
> By the way, if you happen to be on Linux, I can write a simple command for 
> you that does the conversion from a data.table to a .lyx file that has a 
> table. I know you're proposing a feature that will benefit all LyX users, but 
> I offer this nonetheless.
> 
> Scott
> 


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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:50:49AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
> > Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
> > Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
> > using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would
> > be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
> > objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
> > thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
> > data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
> > benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code in
> your document. I use that a lot and it is great.

I also find knitr to be very helpful with tables.

By the way, if you happen to be on Linux, I can write a simple command for you 
that does the conversion from a data.table to a .lyx file that has a table. I 
know you're proposing a feature that will benefit all LyX users, but I offer 
this nonetheless.

Scott


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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

2021-01-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes


Le 13/01/2021 à 00:04, Doug Martin a écrit :
Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio 
Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot would 
be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the 
thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would 
benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.


Hi Doug,

Did you consider using knitr or Sweave? They allow to insert raw R code 
in your document. I use that a lot and it is great.


JMarc

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Re: Feature Request from Doug Martin and Tom Philips

2021-01-12 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck

On 1/12/21 6:04 PM, Doug Martin wrote:
> Tom and I are using various R packages for the book Portfolio
> Construction and Risk Management that we are writing
> using LYX.  A LYX feature that would help us in that effort a lot
> would be the ability to import R data framesm and data.table
> objects created using the excellent data.table package. Given the
> thousands of R packages, and the popularity of the
> data.table package, we guess that this import feature for LYX would
> benefit a lot of people who use both R and LYX.

Hi, Doug,

Other people how use R (as I do not) will probably have more helpful
things to say. But I suspect that this can be done using 'external
templates'. Have a look at section 6 of the Customization manual and,
more helpfully, the templates that already exist, which you will find in
the xtemplates/ directory of you LyX system library directory (whose
location is given in the About LyX dialog). If it looks like this might
work, then there will be people here willing to help you write the template.

Riki

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Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-06-02 Thread Alex Vergara Gil

This might work!! Thanks for the suggestions, I will try it extensively and 
I will comments my experiences afterwards. It seems it also renders the 
graphic inside LyX itself! That's what I was talking about.


Regards
Alex

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To: "Alex Vergara Gil" 
Cc: "Richard Heck" ; "lyx-users Users" 
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Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] python binding

I just add comments inline


Let's see if I understand:


-1. You define a *file type* in LyX under
 Preferences > File Handling > File Formats
for the file type .pygr in which "Vector graphics format" is ticked!

0. You define a converter under
 Preferences > File Handling > Converters
which calls a script which executed files with the extension .pygr and
generates, as you suggest below, an svg.


1. I wrote a python script that produces the graphic I want


Exactly - and you give it a specific extension .pygr for "python
script which generates a graphic" which you defined above.


2. I insert it in LyX somehow I don't know, perhaps defining a
converter from .py to svg, but this needs to be inside a module or
every python script in LyX will try to be converted into a svg!! So a
module is also needed


Use insert graphic and select *your .pygr* file as graphic - and Lyx
will do the rest of the conversion - i.e. use your converter to convert
the .pygr to an svg and other existing converters to generate the png
for the preview and the pdf / eps / ... for the final copmpilation of
the document.


3. LyX is the one who knows the correct size of the graphic so in
principle if I produce a svg should be enough but in this way I need
to produce a new svg every time the data change


Correct - if the input data changes, you have to generate the graph again
manually, or, if the "Converter file cache" is disabled, you just have
to close the document and open it again.

Hope this helps,

Rainer

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-06-02 Thread Rainer M Krug

"Alex Vergara Gil"  writes:

> From: "Richard Heck" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:05 PM
>>> I might be *completely* off, but couldn't you achieve exactly this via
>>> defining converters? I have for example a converter defined, which
>>> "converts" plantuml source fields into uml graphs, i.e. it defines the
>>> call to compile them and return the graphs which are then inserted in
>>> the document?
>> 
>> Yes, that's more or less what I was suggesting.
>> 
>> rh
>> 
>

I just add comments inline

> Let's see if I understand:

-1. You define a *file type* in LyX under 
  Preferences > File Handling > File Formats
for the file type .pygr in which "Vector graphics format" is ticked!

0. You define a converter under
  Preferences > File Handling > Converters
which calls a script which executed files with the extension .pygr and
generates, as you suggest below, an svg.

> 1. I wrote a python script that produces the graphic I want

Exactly - and you give it a specific extension .pygr for "python
script which generates a graphic" which you defined above.

> 2. I insert it in LyX somehow I don't know, perhaps defining a
> converter from .py to svg, but this needs to be inside a module or
> every python script in LyX will try to be converted into a svg!! So a
> module is also needed

Use insert graphic and select *your .pygr* file as graphic - and Lyx
will do the rest of the conversion - i.e. use your converter to convert
the .pygr to an svg and other existing converters to generate the png
for the preview and the pdf / eps / ... for the final copmpilation of
the document.

> 3. LyX is the one who knows the correct size of the graphic so in
> principle if I produce a svg should be enough but in this way I need
> to produce a new svg every time the data change

Correct - if the input data changes, you have to generate the graph again
manually, or, if the "Converter file cache" is disabled, you just have
to close the document and open it again. 

Hope this helps,

Rainer

>
> Take this simple script as example
>
> import numpy as np
> from numpy.random import randn
> import matplotlib as mpl
> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
> np.random.seed(9221999)
> data = randn(75)
> plt.hist(data)
>
> which produce a graphic like this in spyder
>
>
>
> So basically I save this graphic to a svg and then I load it into LyX,
> but why not letting LyX doing this automatically if it already handles
> with python?? This is my question.
>
> Regards
>
> Alex

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Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-06-02 Thread Alex Vergara Gil

From: "Richard Heck" 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:05 PM
>> I might be *completely* off, but couldn't you achieve exactly this via
>> defining converters? I have for example a converter defined, which
>> "converts" plantuml source fields into uml graphs, i.e. it defines the
>> call to compile them and return the graphs which are then inserted in
>> the document?
> 
> Yes, that's more or less what I was suggesting.
> 
> rh
> 

Let's see if I understand:
1. I wrote a python script that produces the graphic I want
2. I insert it in LyX somehow I don't know, perhaps defining a converter from 
.py to svg, but this needs to be inside a module or every python script in LyX 
will try to be converted into a svg!! So a module is also needed
3. LyX is the one who knows the correct size of the graphic so in principle if 
I produce a svg should be enough but in this way I need to produce a new svg 
every time the data change

Take this simple script as example

import numpy as np
from numpy.random import randn
import matplotlib as mpl
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
np.random.seed(9221999)
data = randn(75)
plt.hist(data)

which produce a graphic like this in spyder



So basically I save this graphic to a svg and then I load it into LyX, but why 
not letting LyX doing this automatically if it already handles with python?? 
This is my question.

Regards

Alex

Re: [Feature Request] quality ePub export: Was [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-30 Thread stefano franchi

Hi Steve,

I am bringing this back to the lyx-devel list, where it belongs (I
responded privately by mistake)

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Thu, 29 May 2014 14:55:02 -0500
> stefano franchi  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Steve Litt
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 29 May 2014 14:36:29 -0500
> > > "Alex Vergara Gil"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Lyxers
> > > >
> > > > I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of
> > > > python code within its own framework, like ipython notebook for
> > > > instance?? This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such
> > > > the one produced by matplotlib package. I know there already
> > > > exists a similar binding for R through knitr module, so why not a
> > > > binding for python too??
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same
> > > > functionality or at least some basic functionality of ipython
> > > > notebook within LyX??
> > >
> > > Oh, if we're going consider requests for difficult additions to
> > > handle a small subset of needs like beautiful graphics, how about
> > > filling the GAPING HOLE that there's no practical way to export to
> > > ePub, without massive human intervention and end-user programming?
> > > None of LyX's HTML and xHtml exports are remotely suitable for
> > > flowing-text eBook production, especially because different people
> > > have different ideas of how eBooks should be built.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think the easiest way forward on this is to take the
> > > current half XML half something else native format, and make it well
> > > formed XML. No doing favors of renaming graphics files with
> > > arbitrary numbers, no doing favors of making obvious hierarchy into
> > > , just make the native format XML and let anyone with Python
> > > and lxml.etree have his way with the native LyX file.
> > >
> > > I know that two years ago I railed against XML native format, but
> > > parsers have gotten better, and right now we have the human
> > > unreadability of XML, combined with the unparsability of a more TeX
> > > like language. Well formed XML can only be an improvement.
> > >
> > > If well formed XML native format is not practical in the near
> > > future, perhaps somebody could make a program that exports the
> > > current native format into well-formed XML, once again without
> > > renumbering, throwing away structure, etc. Basically, just pass the
> > > environments through: No need to map Part to , once it's XML,
> > > we can trivially do that ourselves, the way we want to. Given that
> > > most eBooks don't do a lot of bibliography stuff, you could even
> > > have an initial version that has hooks for the bibliography stuff
> > > but doesn't actually do it. Put in the bibliographies next time. If
> > > it's not perfect with math, that's fine: I can't think of anything
> > > more frustrating than trying to read a math book on a small device.
> > >
> > > Because of LyX's inability to author flowing text eBooks in any
> > > reasonable way, I haven't used LyX in 9 months: I'm authoring with
> > > Bluefish now. Slow, difficult, crashy, but at least my source
> > > document can produce both print, PDF and ePub.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's just me, but if there's one feature LyX should really
> > > have in 2014, I think that one feature is a reasonable export
> > > mechanism to something that can be turned into ePub, without
> > > undoing all the BS the current LyX (x)Html converters throw into
> > > the export.
> > >
> > > Mark my words: Within two years, beautiful graphics won't matter one
> > > bit if the document can't be read on a small device.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > would the ODT converter that is the topic of one of our GSOC projects
> > work for the task you are pushing for?
> > After all, ODT *is* XML (for some reading of XML). I know too little
> > about the XML and e-pub formats to answer that question, but perhaps
> > you could take a look at the project description on the wiki [1] and
> > let us know what you think?
> > The project currently targets a subset of LyX's full functionalities
> > (only one class, only a subset of graphic formats, etc.). I would be
> > curious to know if these limitations prevent it to be used for epub
> > conversion (direct or otherwise).
> >
>
> Hi Stefano,
>
> Thanks for asking. I appreciate it.
>
> I'll give four answers to your question:
> * The precise answer
> * A speculative answer
> * What's really needed
> * Comments
>
>
> THE PRECISE ANSWER
> I don't know whether the exported ODT file will serve as a practical
> intermediate step for making an ePub. I won't know that until the
> software's been finished in August.
>
>
Fair enough.

>
> THE SPECULATIVE ANSWER
> I doubt the exported ODT file would be helpful in building ePubs. I've
> explored ODT, and although it's XML, its purpose is to work with
> LibreOffice, not to convey semantic information. If ODT were a
> database, it would be unive

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Alex Vergara Gil  wrote:
> Hello Lyxers
>
> I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of python code
> within its own framework, like ipython notebook for instance??
> This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such the one produced by
> matplotlib package. I know there already exists a similar binding for R
> through knitr module, so why not a binding for python too??
>
> Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same functionality
> or at least some basic functionality of ipython notebook within LyX??

Hi Alex,

Have you tried using knitr for python? Attached is a simple example
and the output created. For more info, see
http://yihui.name/knitr/demo/engines/ . graphics and everything else
should also work, although you might need to add custom hooks (not as
hard as it sounds).

This might not be ideal because you have to have R installed (knitr is
still itself written in R). But I would be curious in your thoughts.

Scott

python_knitr.21.lyx
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python_knitr.21.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Richard Heck


On 05/29/2014 04:57 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote:

"Alex Vergara Gil"  writes:

   Richard you obviously miss the point here, or I was not very clear!
it is not a different format, is a facility to have python scripts
running within LyX framework, you have to see ipython notebook to
understand what I mean, you will be surprised!!  Basically to build
graphs, for instance (and only a piece of what can be done), you add
the (let's call it) "knitpy" module and then place a knitpy insert,
write some python code that produces a matplotlib graphic and then
when lyx compiles the document, instead of the code it is shown the
graph, it also can be done in the lyx editing window, but thats a more
dificult request.
I might be *completely* off, but couldn't you achieve exactly this via
defining converters? I have for example a converter defined, which
"converts" plantuml source fields into uml graphs, i.e. it defines the
call to compile them and return the graphs which are then inserted in
the document?


Yes, that's more or less what I was suggesting.

rh

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Richard Heck


On 05/29/2014 05:34 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:


*From:* Richard Heck 
*Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:26 PM

On 05/29/2014 03:36 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello Lyxers
I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of
python code within its own framework, like ipython notebook for
instance??

This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such the one
produced by matplotlib package. I know there already exists a
similar binding for R through knitr module, so why not a binding
for python too??
Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same
functionality or at least some basic functionality of ipython
notebook within LyX??

Can you be more precise about what you want to do? I've never
heard of ipython notebook.

sudo aptitude install ipython-notebook
ipython notebook

and there you can write even thesis in a web environment with python 
commands being executed inlined, exporting to pdf and latex too, it is 
a wonder of our times, so why not letting LyX do this miracle too??


Sweave works by our having an output format (sweave) for such
documentsand then our declaring Rscript as a sweave --> LaTeX
converter, so PDF export (say) goes via Rscript and pdflatex.
There's a special script in lib/scripts/ that "sets up some things
for LyX"first, or so it claims. It would be reasonably easy to do
the same sort of thing for Python, if you wanted to do so. You'd
just need to set up an appropriate format and then declare an
appropriate script as a whatever -> latex converter. Then LyX will
run the script and do as you wish with the embedded python code.

Of course, as we've discussed on the list with respect to R, there
are large security issues here, too.

Richard

you obviously miss the point here, or I was not very clear! it is not 
a different format, is a facility to have python scripts running 
within LyX framework, you have to see ipython notebook to understand 
what I mean, you will be surprised!!
Basically to build graphs, for instance (and only a piece of what can 
be done), you add the (let's call it) "knitpy" module and then place a 
knitpy insert, write some python code that produces a matplotlib 
graphic and then when lyx compiles the document, instead of the code 
it is shown the graph, it also can be done in the lyx editing window, 
but thats a more dificult request.


No, that's exactly what I had in mind: Python code inthe document that 
gets executed at compile timeto create graphsor tables---or delete all 
your files. ;-) Formats are a LyX-internal method for keeping track of 
such thingsas what stage of compilation a document is at. The file 
format wouldn't really be different.


Richard

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Rainer M Krug

"Alex Vergara Gil"  writes:

>   From: Richard Heck 
>   Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:26 PM
>
>
>   On 05/29/2014 03:36 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
>
> Hello Lyxers
>
> I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of
> python code within its own framework, like ipython notebook for
> instance??
>
>
> This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such the one
> produced by matplotlib package. I know there already exists a
> similar binding for R through knitr module, so why not a binding
> for python too??
>
> Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same
> functionality or at least some basic functionality of ipython notebook
> within LyX??  Can you be more precise about what you want to do? I've
> never heard of ipython notebook.  sudo aptitude install
> ipython-notebook ipython notebook
>
> and there you can write even thesis in a web environment with python
> commands being executed inlined, exporting to pdf and latex too, it is
> a wonder of our times, so why not letting LyX do this miracle too??
>
>   Sweave works by our having an output format (sweave) for such
>   documents and then our declaring Rscript as a sweave --> LaTeX
>   converter, so PDF export (say) goes via Rscript and
>   pdflatex. There's a special script in lib/scripts/ that "sets up
>   some things for LyX" first, or so it claims. It would be reasonably
>   easy to do the same sort of thing for Python, if you wanted to do
>   so. You'd just need to set up an appropriate format and then declare
>   an appropriate script as a whatever -> latex converter. Then LyX
>   will run the script and do as you wish with the embedded python
>   code.
>
>   Of course, as we've discussed on the list with respect to R, there are 
> large security issues here, too.
>
>   Richard you obviously miss the point here, or I was not very clear!
> it is not a different format, is a facility to have python scripts
> running within LyX framework, you have to see ipython notebook to
> understand what I mean, you will be surprised!!  Basically to build
> graphs, for instance (and only a piece of what can be done), you add
> the (let's call it) "knitpy" module and then place a knitpy insert,
> write some python code that produces a matplotlib graphic and then
> when lyx compiles the document, instead of the code it is shown the
> graph, it also can be done in the lyx editing window, but thats a more
> dificult request.

I might be *completely* off, but couldn't you achieve exactly this via
defining converters? I have for example a converter defined, which
"converts" plantuml source fields into uml graphs, i.e. it defines the
call to compile them and return the graphs which are then inserted in
the document?

I have never used python, but I guess a similar approach should be
possible here as well?

Cheers,

Rainer


>
> Regards
> Alex

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Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


  From: Richard Heck 
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:26 PM


  On 05/29/2014 03:36 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello Lyxers

I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of python code 
within its own framework, like ipython notebook for instance??


This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such the one produced by 
matplotlib package. I know there already exists a similar binding for R through 
knitr module, so why not a binding for python too??

Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same functionality 
or at least some basic functionality of ipython notebook within LyX??
  Can you be more precise about what you want to do? I've never heard of 
ipython notebook.
sudo aptitude install ipython-notebook
ipython notebook

and there you can write even thesis in a web environment with python commands 
being executed inlined, exporting to pdf and latex too, it is a wonder of our 
times, so why not letting LyX do this miracle too??

  Sweave works by our having an output format (sweave) for such documents and 
then our declaring Rscript as a sweave --> LaTeX converter, so PDF export (say) 
goes via Rscript and pdflatex. There's a special script in lib/scripts/ that 
"sets up some things for LyX" first, or so it claims. It would be reasonably 
easy to do the same sort of thing for Python, if you wanted to do so. You'd 
just need to set up an appropriate format and then declare an appropriate 
script as a whatever -> latex converter. Then LyX will run the script and do as 
you wish with the embedded python code.

  Of course, as we've discussed on the list with respect to R, there are large 
security issues here, too.

  Richard
you obviously miss the point here, or I was not very clear! it is not a 
different format, is a facility to have python scripts running within LyX 
framework, you have to see ipython notebook to understand what I mean, you will 
be surprised!!
Basically to build graphs, for instance (and only a piece of what can be done), 
you add the (let's call it) "knitpy" module and then place a knitpy insert, 
write some python code that produces a matplotlib graphic and then when lyx 
compiles the document, instead of the code it is shown the graph, it also can 
be done in the lyx editing window, but thats a more dificult request.

Regards
Alex

Re: [Feature Request] python binding

2014-05-29 Thread Richard Heck


On 05/29/2014 03:36 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello Lyxers
I wonder why LyX is not available to process little pieces of python 
code within its own framework, like ipython notebook for instance??


This feature allows us to have beautiful graphics such the one 
produced by matplotlib package. I know there already exists a similar 
binding for R through knitr module, so why not a binding for python too??
Is there a way, like modules or whatever, to achieve the same 
functionality or at least some basic functionality of ipython notebook 
within LyX??


Can you be more precise about what you want to do? I've never heard of 
ipython notebook.


Sweave works by our having an output format (sweave) for such 
documentsand then our declaring Rscript as a sweave --> LaTeX converter, 
so PDF export (say) goes via Rscript and pdflatex. There's a special 
script in lib/scripts/ that "sets up some things for LyX"first, or so it 
claims. It would be reasonably easy to do the same sort of thing for 
Python, if you wanted to do so. You'd just need to set up an appropriate 
format and then declare an appropriate script as a whatever -> latex 
converter. Then LyX will run the script and do as you wish with the 
embedded python code.


Of course, as we've discussed on the list with respect to R, there are 
large security issues here, too.


Richard

Re: Feature request

2014-04-29 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta

On 29/04/14 17:59, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> > FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.
>
> Indeed, perfect on both Windows and Linux. This is a killer feature for 
> scientist collaboration :-)

So, this capability of copying and pasting into HTML e-mails should be 
advertised loudly IMHO, in case it's not been done yet.

T.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-29 Thread Abdelrazak Younes


On 29/04/2014 18:20, Richard Heck wrote:

On 04/28/2014 06:10 PM, stefano franchi wrote:




On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta > wrote:


On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.


Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience:
copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
display it correctly, at least it shows up OK while I'm composing
it):

  * For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ? H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ? P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a
j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), ... ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L
j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ? L .


Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this
in Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or
an export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather
than copy/paste.


Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that 
in gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to 
"typeset" it in ascii?


FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.


Indeed, perfect on both Windows and Linux. This is a killer feature for 
scientist collaboration :-)


Abdel.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-29 Thread Stephan Witt

Am 29.04.2014 um 18:20 schrieb Richard Heck :

> On 04/28/2014 06:10 PM, stefano franchi wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta  wrote:
>> On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:
>>> I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP 
>>> suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML 
>>> isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck 
>>> emailing it as an attachment anyway. 
>> 
>> Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience: copying 
>> from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it correctly, 
>> at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):
>>  • For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2 of 
>> interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p ∈ P j 1 
>> , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p 
>> links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), … ,( a j 1 
>> , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
>> 
>> Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in 
>> Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of 
>> it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.
>> 
>> 
>> Tommaso,
>> 
>> I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in gmail 
>> your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it in 
>> ascii?
> 
> FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

The same with Apple-Mail.

Stephan

Re: Feature request

2014-04-29 Thread stefano franchi

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Richard Heck  wrote:

>  On 04/28/2014 06:10 PM, stefano franchi wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>
>>  On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:
>>
>> I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP
>> suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML
>> isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck
>> emailing it as an attachment anyway.
>>
>>
>>  Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience:
>> copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it
>> correctly, at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):
>>
>> - For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2 of
>>interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p ∈ P j
>>1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2
>>,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), … ,( a
>>j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
>>
>>
>> Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
>> Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of
>> it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.
>>
>>
>  Tommaso,
>
> I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
> gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it
> in ascii?
>
>
> FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.
>

Too bad for gmail then. I wonder if other webmail clients behave as
horribly.


S.


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Re: Feature request

2014-04-29 Thread Richard Heck


On 04/28/2014 06:10 PM, stefano franchi wrote:




On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta > wrote:


On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.


Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience:
copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
display it correctly, at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):

  * For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ? H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ? P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j
1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), ... ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j
1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ? L .


Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.


Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in 
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to 
"typeset" it in ascii?


FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

Richard

Re: Feature request

2014-04-28 Thread Patrick O'Keeffe

On 2014-04-28 15:42, aparsloe wrote:

On 29/04/2014 10:10 a.m., stefano franchi wrote:

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.

Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to
"typeset" it in ascii?

Cheers,

Stefano

I'm using Thunderbird (on Windows) and the formulas display nicely.

Andrew

Seamonkey 2.25 on Windows displays the element and multiply characters
but no subscripting occurs (I assume 'j1/j2' should be subscript).

Thankfully, an integrated LaTex-to-MathML input box will arrive for
Thunderbird in v31 and Seamonkey in v2.28 [1]. Grab a nightly build if
you want to test-drive.

Tommaso, you may be interested right now in the TB addons 'MathML-fonts'
or 'Equations'. The description for Equations is: "An extension that
allows you to type in complex equations into your e-mail and have the
text converted into LaTeX-rendered graphics. Enclose all equations in $$
and then click the convert button! (E.g. $$Area = \pi * r^2$$)" You
might also search for 'MathBird' or 'TexZilla'.

[1]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/MathML/Authoring#MathML_in_email_and_instant_messaging_clients

P.S. There are anecdotal reports web clients like Gmail and Zimbra
filter MathML, thus rendering formulas incorrectly.

Patrick

Re: Feature request

2014-04-28 Thread aparsloe



On 29/04/2014 10:10 a.m., stefano franchi wrote:




On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta > wrote:


On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.


Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience:
copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
display it correctly, at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):

  * For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ∈ P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j
1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), … ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1
, j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .


Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.


Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in 
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to 
"typeset" it in ascii?



Cheers,

Stefano

I'm using Thunderbird (on Windows) and the formulas display nicely.

Andrew

Re: Feature request

2014-04-28 Thread stefano franchi

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tommaso Cucinotta  wrote:

>  On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:
>
> I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP
> suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML
> isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck
> emailing it as an attachment anyway.
>
>
> Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience: copying
> from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it correctly,
> at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):
>
> - For each hosts pair   (   j  1  ,  j  2   ) ∈  H  ×  H ,   a set
>P  j  1  ,  j  2   of interconnection paths may be available
>and usable, where each path   p ∈P  j  1  ,  j  2is
>associated with the sequence P  j  1  ,  j  2  ,p of its
>L j  1  ,  j  2  ,p links  P  j  1  ,  j  2  ,p   ={ (
>a j  1  ,  j  2  ,p,1   ,  b j  1  ,  j  2  ,p,1), … ,(   a
>j  1  ,  j  2  ,p,  L j  1  ,  j  2  ,p  ,  b j  1  ,  j  2
>,p,  L j  1  ,  j  2  ,p   ) } ⊂  L .
>
>
> Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
> Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of
> it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.
>
>
Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it
in ascii?


Cheers,

Stefano

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Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies Ph:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas A&M University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

[email protected]
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Re: Feature request

2014-04-28 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta

On 28/04/14 19:37, Patrick O'Keeffe wrote:
> I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP suggested 
> it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML isn't 
> capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it 
> as an attachment anyway.

Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience: copying from 
LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it correctly, at least 
it shows up OK while I'm composing it):

  * For each hosts pair ( j 1 ,j 2 )∈ H × H , a set P j 1 ,j 2 of 
interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p∈ P j 1 ,j 
2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 ,j 2 ,p of its L j 1 ,j 2 ,p links P j 
1 ,j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 ,j 2 ,p,1 ,b j 1 ,j 2 ,p,1 ),… ,( a j 1 ,j 2 ,p,L j 1 ,j 2 
,p ,b j 1 ,j 2 ,p,L j 1 ,j 2 ,p ) }⊂ L .

LyX Document
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in Thunderbird? 
The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of it, and it takes 
just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.

If I could install a LyX plug-in in Thunderbird allowing me to natively write 
e-mails in LyX, I would probably use that!

My2c,

T.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-28 Thread Patrick O'Keeffe

Perhaps even simpler is to add new converter definitions so the user can 
use the standard File>Export> route.

Three new ones:
- Email (plain text)
- Email (HTML)
- Email (PDF attachment) <-- using whatever engine is default

As far as passing it to mail clients... It's a real cringeworthy idea 
but don't mailto: links support `?subject=` and `?body=` arguments? At 
least for plain-text and HTML, one could use the system default for 
mailto: links and pass one giant, *ugly string. Not that I would condone it.

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP 
suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but 
HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're 
stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

Patrick

On 2014-04-27 7:23, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:

On 24/04/14 14:18, Kornel Benko wrote:

Not really. Still it looks for  me as a valid feature request. Even if I was

 >
 > not planing to use it.
 >

Probably the user is free to create a "Send by e-mail..." menu entry
that simply spawns the preferred e-mail client on the machine, adding
the LyX file currently being edited as attachment, for e-mail clients
that would support that from the command-line.

Would something like this be possible ?

 T.

Re: Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)

2014-04-27 Thread Georg Baum

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:

> So, a couple of extra questions:
> a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported
> HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for
> that?

If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain 
text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting 
application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your 
case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you 
start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does.

> I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and
> paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich
> text capabilities.

Indeed. Therefore I worked on that last year.

Georg

Re: Feature request

2014-04-27 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta

On 24/04/14 14:18, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Not really. Still it looks for me as a valid feature request. Even if I was
>
> not planing to use it.
>

Probably the user is free to create a "Send by e-mail..." menu entry
that simply spawns the preferred e-mail client on the machine, adding
the LyX file currently being edited as attachment, for e-mail clients
that would support that from the command-line.

Would something like this be possible ?

T.

Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)

2014-04-27 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta

On 27/04/14 10:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> So my feature request would be able:
> 1) write in LyX
> 2) select and copy
> 3) paste as html in Thunderbird.
>
> Maybe this is already possible.

It is indeed, but with a few hiccups:

1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets 
copied as normal plain text only)
2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you 
realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the 
numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't 
understand it's actually editing lists in those cases
3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra 
empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ?

And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice.

So, a couple of extra questions:
a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML 
into the clipboard ?
b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for that?

I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste 
between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text 
capabilities.

Thanks,

T.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 24/04/2014 15:08, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

24/04/2014 15:02, Kornel Benko:
 > What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we 
export,

 > though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with 
thunderbird or whatever mail client?

Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

I used to be the same but now I use more and more formatting under 
Thunderbird instead of just writing documents. This is because people I 
work with just don't read attachments, they don't have time.
I don't care about html or enriched text but I do care about 
interoperability with other mail programs so html is the only choice here.

So my feature request would be able:
1) write in LyX
2) select and copy
3) paste as html in Thunderbird.

Maybe this is already possible.

Abdel.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes


On 24/04/2014 17:02, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 17:00:16, schrieb Kornel Benko 

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 07:49:02, schrieb Pavel Sanda 

Kornel Benko wrote:

Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html


This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be 
Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
inside kmail.

Kornel

I think, I found it. Test only.


Waoouh! It's a relief Kornel!

:-)

Abdel.

Re: Feature request

2014-04-25 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:

> Does the netiquette say something about hijacking a thread to discuss a
> non-related subject ?

Good point.

Scott

Re: Feature request

2014-04-25 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn


Scott Kostyshak schreef op 25-4-2014 16:00:

So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Well, some people view it as a problem and because it is listed on the
List Netiquette (http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7) in my opinion
we should follow it, or argue to change the Netiquette. I actually
like the rule as it is; I just didn't follow it because I thought the
opposite was the encouraged behavior.

Scott
Does the netiquette say something about hijacking a thread to discuss a 
non-related subject ?


Vincent

Re: Feature request

2014-04-25 Thread Pavel Sanda

Rainer M Krug wrote:
> Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
> assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.

Well, there exists world beyond gmail and thunderbird and this world
still produces reasonable traffic on this list.

But I agree that until delete-thread function is removed from my
email client it is not a major problem for me :)

Pavel

Re: Feature request

2014-04-25 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:

> Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
> assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.
>
> As stated, some mailing lists wish to have the whole thread, to make
> reading a reply separately possible.
>
> Snipping of sections I do not reply to is OK, but selectively snipping
> out of sections I reply to make it possible to change the original
> meaning.

Agreed. There is a tradeoff. By keeping the whole conversation you do
not take things out of context. But you make it more difficult to
quickly get the main point. It is subjective what is "out of context"
but I have actually never seen an argument because of this on the
mailing lists I participate in.

> So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Well, some people view it as a problem and because it is listed on the
List Netiquette (http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7) in my opinion
we should follow it, or argue to change the Netiquette. I actually
like the rule as it is; I just didn't follow it because I thought the
opposite was the encouraged behavior.

Scott

Re: Feature request

2014-04-25 Thread Rainer M Krug

Scott Kostyshak  writes:

> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
>> Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>>> Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
>>> prior messages in entirety" (e.g.
>>
>> It makes any longer exchange unreadable.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
>> other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your 
>> work...
>
> My point is that I think many do it out of ignorance, not laziness. At
> least that was the case for me. I wish someone had told me sooner. In
> the end it is my fault for not having remembered the list netiquette.

Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.

As stated, some mailing lists wish to have the whole thread, to make
reading a reply separately possible. 

Snipping of sections I do not reply to is OK, but selectively snipping
out of sections I reply to make it possible to change the original
meaning. 

So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Rainer

>
> Scott

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Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Sean Burke

> On Apr 24, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Enrico Forestieri  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:53:07AM -0400, Sean Burke wrote:
>>
>> You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.
>
> Yes, you cannot stop progress, apparently ;)
>
> --
> Enrico
>

Ha ha ha. I can practically hear the air quotes. :)

Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Enrico Forestieri

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:53:07AM -0400, Sean Burke wrote:

> You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.

Yes, you cannot stop progress, apparently ;)

-- 
Enrico


A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>> Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
>> prior messages in entirety" (e.g.
>
> It makes any longer exchange unreadable.

Agreed.

> When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
> other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your work...

My point is that I think many do it out of ignorance, not laziness. At
least that was the case for me. I wish someone had told me sooner. In
the end it is my fault for not having remembered the list netiquette.

Scott

Re: Feature request

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
> prior messages in entirety" (e.g.

It makes any longer exchange unreadable. I remember to delete few whole threads
past few months without reading on this list because people were either lazy or
not willing to quote only relevant parts, it's somewhat annoying to scroll 
several
screens just to find one sentence answer or similar; if it goes mail after
mail you just delete the whole thing :)

When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your work...

Pavel

Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Sean Burke

You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.

--
Sean Patrick Burke


> On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Enrico Forestieri  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 03:02:56PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 14:31:54, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 
>> 
>>> 24/04/2014 13:16, Kornel Benko:
 Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
 I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.
>>>
>>> What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
>>> though?
>>
>> C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.
>
> Html is inappropriate for email
> http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
>
> --
> Enrico

Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 wrote:

> We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these long
> replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe kmail
> has the same feature.

Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
prior messages in entirety" (e.g.
http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html) in case the message is
referenced in isolation from the thread. That is why I used to quote a
lot of unnecessary parts. Only recently did I see "Quoting irrelevant
parts of the previous mail in your reply" on
"http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7";

Scott

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 17:13:57, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

> 24/04/2014 17:02, Kornel Benko:
> >> I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
> >> inside kmail.
> >
> > I think, I found it. Test only.
> 
> Oooh Kornel, I will miss your messages that used to appear as ugly 
> typewriter font things :)

This troubles me. Should I again start with html :) ?

> It is much better now.
> JMarc

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Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> 24/04/2014 17:12, Pavel Sanda:
>> Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you 
>> could strip
>> from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)
>
> We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these long 
> replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe kmail 
> has the same feature.

We are indeed progressing to better future. Major email provider in cz recently
decided that using ">" in replies become obsolete and all replies start with
just double quote it the very beginning and end of message making it impossible
to normally reply. Either you have to edit the whole message yourself so it's
clear what you reply to or you have to top post.

Maybe we should make another quantum leap and start using just pdf in our emails
as proposed in the very beginning of this thread :)

Pavel

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 17:15:27, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

> 24/04/2014 17:12, Pavel Sanda:
> > Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could 
> > strip
> > from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)
> 
> We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these 
> long replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe 
> kmail has the same feature.
> 
> JMarc
> 

Most of the time I *am* stripping. At least I think so.
For answer to a short mail like this one, this seems unneeded.

Kornel

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24/04/2014 17:12, Pavel Sanda:

Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could 
strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)


We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these 
long replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe 
kmail has the same feature.


JMarc

Re: Feature request


24/04/2014 17:02, Kornel Benko:

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
inside kmail.


I think, I found it. Test only.


Oooh Kornel, I will miss your messages that used to appear as ugly 
typewriter font things :)


It is much better now.

JMarc

Re: Feature request

Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
> > P
> 
> I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
> inside kmail.

Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could 
strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)

Pavel

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 17:00:16, schrieb Kornel Benko 
> Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 07:49:02, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> > Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > > Html is inappropriate for email
> > > > http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) 
> > > may be Enriched text.
> > 
> > Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
> > P
> 
> I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
> inside kmail.
> 
>   Kornel

I think, I found it. Test only.

Kornel

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Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 07:49:02, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > Html is inappropriate for email
> > > http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
> > > 
> > 
> > This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) 
> > may be Enriched text.
> 
> Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
> P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from 
inside kmail.

Kornel

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Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Html is inappropriate for email
> > http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
> > 
> 
> This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may 
> be Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 16:33:03, schrieb Enrico Forestieri 

> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 03:02:56PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> 
> > Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 14:31:54, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 
> > 
> > > 24/04/2014 13:16, Kornel Benko:
> > > > Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
> > > > I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be 
> > > > possible.
> > > 
> > > What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export, 
> > > though?
> > 
> > C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.
> 
> Html is inappropriate for email
> http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
> 

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be 
Enriched text.

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Re: Feature request

2014-04-24 Thread Enrico Forestieri

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 03:02:56PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 14:31:54, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 
> 
> > 24/04/2014 13:16, Kornel Benko:
> > > Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
> > > I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be 
> > > possible.
> > 
> > What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export, 
> > though?
> 
> C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

-- 
Enrico

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 06:25:06, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > C'mon, its not so bad.
> 
> Which is little bit far away from "aesthetically stunning documents", right? 
> :)

It depends. But I understand the point.

> Anyway as pointed out by JMarc we should try to be good at one thing and let
> emails client to do their own. 

The question remains: why do we than offer that many export possibilities?
(This is not meant seriously)

> Pavel

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Kornel Benko wrote:
> C'mon, its not so bad.

Which is little bit far away from "aesthetically stunning documents", right? :)
Anyway as pointed out by JMarc we should try to be good at one thing and let
emails client to do their own. 

Pavel

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 15:08:22, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

> 24/04/2014 15:02, Kornel Benko:
> >  > What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
> >  > though?
> >
> > C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.
> 
> Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with 
> thunderbird or whatever mail client?

Not really. Still it looks for me as a valid feature request. Even if I was
not planing to use it.

> Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

So do I.

> JMarc

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24/04/2014 15:02, Kornel Benko:

 > What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
 > though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.


Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with 
thunderbird or whatever mail client?


Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

JMarc

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 14:31:54, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

> 24/04/2014 13:16, Kornel Benko:
> > Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
> > I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.
> 
> What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export, 
> though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

> JMarc

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24/04/2014 13:16, Kornel Benko:

Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.


What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export, 
though?


JMarc

Re: Feature request

Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 um 12:28:26, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

> 24/04/2014 12:21, Shlomo Brill:
> > Dear Lyx Developer Team,
> > I have already written part of my PhD thesis in Lyx and am thoroughly
> > impressed by the aesthetically stunning documents that Lyx produces!!!
> > Considering that Lyx is capable of such fantastic feats, would it be
> > possible to have a "send email" function/button/menu to send similarly
> > beautifully typesetted emails?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Unfortunately, this does not seem possible. LyX produces pdf files for 
> printing, and e-mails cannot really be pdf files. We try to make a tool 
> that does one thing, and does it right. It is up to the mail reader to 
> render e-mail text in a beautiful way.

Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

> JMarc

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