Re: Verbatim and quotes

2021-02-09 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2021-02-09, Enrico Forestieri wrote:

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> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 04:42:26PM +1300, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
>> At present (LyX 2.4 alpha1 on windows 10) the grave ` and the single
>> straight quote ' (apostrophe) produce "curly" left  and right quote marks 
>> in a verbatim environment when compiled to pdf. I would expect them to be
>> preserved as grave and straight quote. 

This is a LaTeX feature/bug that LyX up to now does not work around.

>> I can get grave and straight quote by adding \usepackage{upquote} to
>> the preamble -- which is simple enough to do (now that I know of it),
>> but is the current "curly" output the right one?

> I don't know what is the "right" output, but the attached document
> produces the same exact output since lyx version 1.3. So, if something
> changed, it was in changed in latex.

The existence of the "upquote" package shows that at least some consider
the LaTeX default behaviour as problematic. 

For LyX, this is even more problematic, as we have usually matching feedback
characters in the GUI which is also the case for double quotes. A consistent
handling of single and double quotes would be welcome.

Günter

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Re: Verbatim and quotes

2021-02-09 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 04:42:26PM +1300, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
> At present (LyX 2.4 alpha1 on windows 10) the grave ` and the single
> straight quote ' (apostrophe) produce "curly" left  and right quote marks 
> in a verbatim environment when compiled to pdf. I would expect them to be
> preserved as grave and straight quote. I can get grave and straight quote by
> adding \usepackage{upquote} to the preamble -- which is simple enough to do
> (now that I know of it), but is the current "curly" output the right one?

I don't know what is the "right" output, but the attached document
produces the same exact output since lyx version 1.3. So, if something
changed, it was in changed in latex.

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Enrico
#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
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\fontscheme default
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\spacing single 
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Standard
\noindent 

\begin_inset ERT
status Open

\layout Standard

\backslash 
begin{verbatim}
\layout Standard
a`'b
\layout Standard

\backslash 
end{verbatim}
\end_inset 


\the_end
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Verbatim and quotes

2021-02-08 Thread Andrew Parsloe
At present (LyX 2.4 alpha1 on windows 10) the grave ` and the single 
straight quote ' (apostrophe) produce "curly" left  and right quote 
marks  in a verbatim environment when compiled to pdf. I would expect 
them to be preserved as grave and straight quote. I can get grave and 
straight quote by adding \usepackage{upquote} to the preamble -- which 
is simple enough to do (now that I know of it), but is the current 
"curly" output the right one?


Andrew

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