Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: They are not wrong but in a different encoding: witht the default settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where Umlauts will be wrong as well). Well, I would expect that the PDF reader

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread G. Milde
On 30.05.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: G. Milde wrote: They are not wrong but in a different encoding: witht the default settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where Umlauts will be wrong as

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: Actually, on my Debian system, the xpdf reader actually de-composes an ff ligature in a sample document and puts the two letters f+f in the selection instead -- i.e. it works as I would expect. Actually, it depends on the font. * When using the default cm font, copying does

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). This is to

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
G. Milde wrote: On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. They are not wrong but in a

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: They are not wrong but in a different encoding: witht the default settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where Umlauts will be wrong as well). Well, I would expect that the PDF reader

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread G. Milde
On 30.05.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: G. Milde wrote: They are not wrong but in a different encoding: witht the default settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where Umlauts will be wrong as

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: Actually, on my Debian system, the xpdf reader actually de-composes an ff ligature in a sample document and puts the two letters f+f in the selection instead -- i.e. it works as I would expect. Actually, it depends on the font. * When using the default cm font, copying does

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). This is to

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
G. Milde wrote: On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. They are not wrong but in a

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: > They are not "wrong" but in a different encoding: witht the default > settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on > places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where > Umlauts will be "wrong" as well). Well, I would expect that the

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread G. Milde
On 30.05.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > G. Milde wrote: > > They are not "wrong" but in a different encoding: witht the default > > settings, this is most probably the T1 encoding where ligatures are on > > places totally unrelated to the unicode points. (or even 0T1, where > > Umlauts will be

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
G. Milde wrote: > Actually, on my Debian system, the xpdf reader actually de-composes an ff > ligature in a sample document and puts the two letters f+f in the > selection instead -- i.e. it works as I would expect. Actually, it depends on the font. * When using the default cm font, copying does

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: > >> I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the >> ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is >> with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). > >

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
G. Milde wrote: > On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > >> The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The >> clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, >> but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. > > They are not "wrong"

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or AbiWord? The first two are text-mode applications, the last is

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread G. Milde
On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Rich Shepard wrote: This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or AbiWord? The

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. Jürgen, Oh. OK. Now I understand.

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or AbiWord? The first two are text-mode applications, the last is

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread G. Milde
On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Rich Shepard wrote: This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or AbiWord? The

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. Jürgen, Oh. OK. Now I understand.

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: > This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the > behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, > acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or > AbiWord? The first two are text-mode applications, the

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread G. Milde
On 28.05.08, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Rich Shepard wrote: > > This is to be expected. It's perfectly normal behavior. What should be the > > behavior if you block text in a pdf document (displayed with xpdf, > > acroread, or another viewer) and copy that text into emacs, pine, or > >

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: The problem is that the copied characters are apparently wrong. The clipboard should have the correct unicode code points for the ligatures, but it has some completely different (and unrelated) chars. Jürgen, Oh. OK. Now I understand.

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread David Hewitt
Actually, it looks like a problem outside of LyX. Both in Acroread and KPDF, if if copy the ff-ligature, it doesn't put the ligature into the clipboard, but rather the unicode character 0x001b (ESCAPE). I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). This is to be expected. It's

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread David Hewitt
Actually, it looks like a problem outside of LyX. Both in Acroread and KPDF, if if copy the ff-ligature, it doesn't put the ligature into the clipboard, but rather the unicode character 0x001b (ESCAPE). I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). This is to be expected. It's

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread David Hewitt
> Actually, it looks like a problem outside of LyX. Both in Acroread and > KPDF, > if if copy the ff-ligature, it doesn't put the ligature into the > clipboard, > but rather the unicode character 0x001b (ESCAPE). > I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the

Re: OT? Ligatures in pdf documents to be used in LyX

2008-05-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Hewitt wrote: I get the same. If I try to copy from a PDF made with pdflatex, all the ligatures show up as special characters and must be replaced. This is with Computer Modern Roman font and standard classes (article, report). This is to be expected. It's