Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Sven Schreiber
Sven Schreiber wrote: Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only appears when a temp

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that does not change the crc will not be checked. Whatever. What does that (whatever) mean? -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that does not change the crc will not be checked. Whatever. What does that (whatever) mean? It means that Lars and I are proving to each other that we've

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Sven Schreiber
Sven Schreiber wrote: Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only appears when a temp

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that does not change the crc will not be checked. Whatever. What does that (whatever) mean? -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that does not change the crc will not be checked. Whatever. What does that (whatever) mean? It means that Lars and I are proving to each other that we've

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Sven Schreiber
Sven Schreiber wrote: > > Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems > to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only appears when a temp

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: Actually it is difficult to construct a simple test case, so this seems to be a rather subtle bug that is triggered only in special Well I don't remember why I found that so difficult, but I found out some details; especially that the problem only

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: > Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > | It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. > > > > It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that > > does not change the crc will not be checked. > > Whatever. What does that ("whatever") mean? -- Kevin

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-22 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: It performs a checksum of the contents of the file. >>> It also look at the timestamp... so if you have a timestamp that >>> does not change the crc will not be checked. >> Whatever. > What does that ("whatever") mean? It means that Lars and I are proving to each

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | LyX stores a CRC checksum of all dependent files that it knows about. | It's just that the controlling logic doesn't know about the graphics | files. try So we parse the latex log wrong? Is that what you are saying? No, we don't run latex. I get somewhat lost in

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for lyx export) perl script and info. http://www-hep.colorado.edu/~fperez/lyxport/files/lyxport-0.1.2 http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/ is the better one ... Herbert

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:25 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for lyx export) perl script and info

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | LyX stores a CRC checksum of all dependent files that it knows about. | It's just that the controlling logic doesn't know about the graphics | files. try So we parse the latex log wrong? Is that what you are saying? No, we don't run latex. I get somewhat lost in

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for lyx export) perl script and info. http://www-hep.colorado.edu/~fperez/lyxport/files/lyxport-0.1.2 http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/ is the better one ... Herbert

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:25 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for lyx export) perl script and info

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: ""Lars Gullik Bjønnes"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | P

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > | LyX stores a CRC checksum of all dependent files that it knows about. > | It's just that the controlling logic doesn't know about the graphics > | files. try > > So we parse the latex log wrong? Is that what you are saying? No, we don't run latex. I get somewhat

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: ""Lars Gullik Bjønnes"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | P

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for lyx export) perl script and info. http://www-hep.colorado.edu/~fperez/lyxport/files/lyxport-0.1.2 http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/ is the better one ... Herbert

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-21 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: "Herbert Voss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:25 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I was looking at the lyxport (short for l

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck around with the

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck around with the

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Paul A. Rubin wrote: >> Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check >> for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. >> However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck >> around with

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-20 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: ""Lars Gullik Bjønnes"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | P

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic.

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Stephen P. Harris wrote: I read this article which may have a bearing on the issue, Sorry no I don't think so, but thanks for trying to help. To conclude: I strongly recommend that anybody importing graphics into LaTex for the first time read Using imported graphics in LaTex 2e [1].

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I read this article which may have a bearing on the issue, Sorry no I

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume that you're

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Angus Leeming wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck around with the graphics file (not change the name of the file

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic.

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Stephen P. Harris wrote: I read this article which may have a bearing on the issue, Sorry no I don't think so, but thanks for trying to help. To conclude: I strongly recommend that anybody importing graphics into LaTex for the first time read Using imported graphics in LaTex 2e [1].

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I read this article which may have a bearing on the issue, Sorry no I

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume that you're

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Angus Leeming wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck around with the graphics file (not change the name of the file

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Sven Schreiber wrote: > >> How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics >> file has changed? >> >> Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore >> only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. >> >>

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic.

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Sven Schreiber
Stephen P. Harris wrote: > I read this article which may have a bearing on the issue, Sorry no I don't think so, but thanks for trying to help. > > To conclude: I strongly recommend that anybody importing graphics into > LaTex for the first time read "Using imported graphics in LaTex 2e" [1].

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: "Sven Schreiber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Paul A. Rubin wrote: Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen P. Harris
- Original Message - From: "Sven Schreiber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: output refresh when only graphics change? Stephen P. Harris wrote: I read this article which may have a bearing

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time > you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp > directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by > ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume that you're

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Angus Leeming wrote: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Ok, I think I see the problem, though not the solution. The first time you view the document, LyX copies the graphics files into the temp directory (which also houses any transformations of them done by ImageMagick). When you perform step 2, I assume

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Can do, but first let me clarify two things. You said LyX does check > for a changed graphic file _when it generates the LaTeX source_. > However, if the only thing you've done since the last LaTeX run is muck > around with the graphics file (not change the name of the file

output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file, but surely this is not

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics | file has changed? | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore | only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. LyX is supposed to

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics | file has changed? | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore | only offers the output from the buffer with the

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file,

output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file, but surely this is not

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics | file has changed? | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore | only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. LyX is supposed to

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Sven Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics | file has changed? | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore | only offers the output from the buffer with the

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file,

output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file, but surely this is not

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics | file has changed? > | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore | only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. LyX is supposed to

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Sven Schreiber
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics > | file has changed? > > | Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore > | only offers the output from the buffer

Re: output refresh when only graphics change?

2005-08-17 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Sven Schreiber wrote: How can I force lyx to run a latex cycle when only an included graphics file has changed? Lyx doesn't seem to notice the change (which I understand) and therefore only offers the output from the buffer with the old graphic. Workaround is to close and reopen the lyx-file,