Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 22/01/13 23:37, Jerry wrote:
 
 On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
 
 
 
 Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very simple 
 LyX file to
 Word was not perfect. I went LyX - LaTeX - docx. I did not investigate 
 setting options
 very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
 2011 (Mac)
 built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
 also on a simple
 but different document, LyX - LaTeX - docx, one equation was not typeset 
 (only the
 markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, and 
 section labels
 were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at least 
 once caused it
 to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
 converted file.
 (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
 
 I also tried to go the LyX - LaTeX - docx route, but the results were not 
 as usable as via 
 xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
 
 How did you get from XHTML - docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
 of the user's 
 manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry

Well - using

pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml

works as expected and produces a docx file.

So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
as mentioned earlier.


Truy it:

simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.

Cheers,

Rainer

Cheers,

Rainer

 
 You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
 differently on 
 different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
 comment on that.
 
 I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted the 
 odt to docx
 with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
 
 I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
 and then post
 your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
 so that there is
 some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer
 
 
 
 Jerry
 
 

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How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Frédéric Parrenin]

Dear all,


I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
copied text is underlined.

I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
any help on this.

Best regards,

Frédéric Parrenin

Re: How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-23, Frédéric Parrenin wrote:

 [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]

 Dear all,


 I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
 copied text is underlined.

 I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
 any help on this.

 Best regards,

The most usual reason for this (if it is a blue underline) is, that the
copied text is given a language (or language variant) tag that differs
from the document default language. (LyX/LaTeX can handle parts in
different languages in one document - with correct language-dependent
hyphenation and auto-generated text.)

You might see language: ... in the status line on the bottom of the LyX
window.

If the text parts are really in different languages, just leave the line as
a reminder (you can also disable the underlingin somewhere in the settings).

To unify the language setting, select the underlined text (or the whole
document) and change the language setting under EditLanguages
(or EditText SettingsCustom ...).

Hope this helps.

Günter

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Guenter Milde]

Dear Nico,

On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:

 I think the right approach is to have a LyX XML schema, export to
 that, then apply an XSL to convert to whatever format you want.  I've
 written a script to convert .lyx to XML using a very simple-minded
 approach; I don't have a schema defined for this, just well-formed XML
 output.
...

 There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
 I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
 LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
 LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
 source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
 the tree.

Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

If you search the archives, you will find that the idea to move the
native LyX format to XML is discussed since several years without a
consensus between the developers. Therefore I understand the hesitation of
the developers to re-open this can of worms and rather concentrate on
issues that are agreed on.

But this is exactly why I really like your idea of a LyX-XML *in addition*
to the current native format. This will give new insight in the advantages
as well as problems of such a transition and will be of great value to the
XSL freaks independent of the decision whether it should become LyX's
default format. 

I don't know whether it will become possible to have painless LyX-Word
conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
still be the best route for this conversion.

Thanks for your work,

Günter

Re: Saving a document as a new default template?

[stefano franchi]

Aha! That's where it was hidden. Thanks Paul.

I would suggest editing the Customization help file, section 5.2.4, with
that information then. It is seldom used command (or it should be) and
people like me would forget where to look for.

Best,

Stefano


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 Document  Settings...  Save as Document Defaults button?

 Paul




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Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:
 There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
 I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
 LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
 LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
 source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
 the tree.

 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.

I'm not.  I soldier one because I want to use LyX and I need XML.  In
fact, for *my* use cases the script is done.  It's not complete
however, and I was hoping others would be interested in contributing.
Instead it seems I will have to finish my XSLs (I'm doing this in my
spare time) and write a nice blog post about all this (with some
exposition of XSL code and explanations) to get people interested.

I've been surprised at how close .lyx is to being a form of XML, and
how irritating some of the ways in which it's not are.  (For example,
when mixing text styles there's no well-formed-XML-like closing of
tags.  The most irritating thing by far is the fact that description
lists items' title/description are separated by the first breaking
space.)

 I don't know whether it will become possible to have painless LyX-Word
 conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
 still be the best route for this conversion.

Right, there may be loss of metadata, and it may be that multiple
XSLs, or one with many options, will be needed to provide a useful
experience.  That's to be expected in schema transformations.

Nico
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Space allocated for pdf-graphics way too large on linux

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi,

I am happily using lyx 2.0.5 on both linux and windows.
Importing pdf graphics works great with the windows version, however on
linux lyx allocates a lot of space even for small graphics in the edit
view:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ceisserer/January23201302?authkey=Gv1sRgCIKHna-167igxgE#5836701347663747378

On the generated pdf, everything looks fine though.

Any idea whats going wrong here?

Thank you in advance, Clemens

LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:

 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

I have a question for you...

When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?

Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
readability and writeability?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.

I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Thanks

SteveT


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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.

 I have a question for you...

 When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?

 Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
 human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
 readability and writeability?

I want XML because of XSLT (and XPath, and XQuery): I can write XSLs
to convert from one schema to another, and this then gets to be
completely external to LyX.  If the LyX XML schema changes, of course,
the XSLs need updating, but it's XSLT code, not C++ or what have you
-- it's a simpler update.  It's more than that.  You can serve XML and
XSLs from some web server and let the browser apply the XSLs to create
XHTML.  And more.  There's lots of databases that specialize in XML
documents and make it easy to search them in regular ways (i.e., with
XPath or XQuery).  I'm probably only scratching the surface here.

Also, properly formatted XML is not human-opaque, but merely annoying.

Don't get me wrong: I'm *not* a fan of XML.  I'm a fan of the DSLs and
tooling that has been built around XML, which -for me- overcome the
downsides to XML itself.

Of course, if our world had been built on programming languages with
hygienic macro facilities with all the power expect of a Scheme, then
we could write these DSLs as needed.  XML is so much wheel
re-invention, but there's a ton of value in standardizing these DSLs:
you can write portable code in them, and you need only know those
standard DSLs instead of having to learn and hack on ad-hoc DSLs.

In a sense YAML saddens me: it's even more wheel re-invention, but
without the DSLs to go with it that XML has.  Why would I want this
for any purpose other than UI?  And why would I want it even for that
purpose when LyX *is* the UI?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

I don't really care what it is as long as there's a trivial,
*lossless* mapping onto XML.  (My script's translation of .lyx to XML
is lossless, though the return trip will not obtain the same original
.lyx because some things in .lyx content need to get normalized in the
conversion to XML.  But no data and metadata get lost in the
conversion.)

 As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
 Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.

 I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
 somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

I don't think converting directly from .lyx to YAML is going to be any
easier than converting directly to XML is, but if it's *as* easy then
FYI you'll still run into pretty much the same issues I did in
lyx2xml.

Nico
--

creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Vivek]

I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with ability to 
display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.

Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.

Lyx and latex gurus help me.

Vivek

Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
 I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
 ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
 
 Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
 
 Lyx and latex gurus help me.
 
 Vivek
 

One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding. I
came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's bold
or whatever.

And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question and
answer counters.

I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
subject.

SteveT

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Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:19:33 -0500, Steve Litt said:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
  I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
  ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
  
  Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
  
  Lyx and latex gurus help me.
  
  Vivek
  
 
 One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding.
 I came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
 style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
 same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's
 bold or whatever.
 
 And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question
 and answer counters.
 
 I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
 subject.
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
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 Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Good news Vivek,

I've already done it and posted it on the web. I had forgotten
about that. See these:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Multiple_Choice_Quizzes:_Conceptual

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Implementation_of_the_Multiple_Choice

I'm sure you'll need to improve on what I've done to suit your
particular need, but this certainly proves it's doable and gives you a
head-start.

When you're done with these environments, please post them back to the
list so we can all see a professional implementation.

SteveT

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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:

 Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
 converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
 my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
to finished is your converter?

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:

 Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
 converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
 my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

 Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
 to finished is your converter?

It... works.  For that subset of LyX that I use.  This includes
tables, but not math (someone needs to port to Python the
LaTeX-MathML code that can be found all over), and who knows what
else.

You can find it at
https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx/tree/lyxml/lib/lyx2lyx  -- look
for lyx2xml*.  Forgive the sloppy code.

If this is of use to you and you need more features and want to
contribute them, or maybe tell me what they'd be...  we can make this
better.

Nico
--

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Jerry]

On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:

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 On 22/01/13 23:37, Jerry wrote:
 
 On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
 
 
 
 Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very 
 simple LyX file to
 Word was not perfect. I went LyX - LaTeX - docx. I did not investigate 
 setting options
 very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
 2011 (Mac)
 built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
 also on a simple
 but different document, LyX - LaTeX - docx, one equation was not typeset 
 (only the
 markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, 
 and section labels
 were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at 
 least once caused it
 to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
 converted file.
 (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
 
 I also tried to go the LyX - LaTeX - docx route, but the results were not 
 as usable as via 
 xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
 
 How did you get from XHTML - docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
 of the user's 
 manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry
 
 Well - using
 
 pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml
 
 works as expected and produces a docx file.
 
 So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
 as mentioned earlier.
 
 
 Truy it:
 
 simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer

Thanks, Ranier. I have just now tried this on a simple document (two equations, 
two sections, a footnote, a figure with caption, a greyed comment, and two 
cross references (to an equation and to a section).

As usual, the LyXHTML looks very good. But in the docx, the equations are not 
rendered and contain spurious text, the figure caption and figure name are 
separated from the figure and are shown as normal text, spurious text is 
inserted relating to the image, and all of the cross-references move the cursor 
to the title rather than to where it should move. The footnote is printed as 
ordinary text as is the greyed text also.

pandoc -o newfile.odt newfile1.xhtml

results in a similar result, but with completely nonfunctional cross references 
and no spurious text relating to the figure image.

I'm using OS X, LyX 2.0.5, Word 2011, LibreOffice 4.0.0.1, and pandoc 1.9.4.2.

Jerry

 
 You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
 differently on 
 different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
 comment on that.
 
 I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted 
 the odt to docx
 with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
 
 I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
 and then post
 your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
 so that there is
 some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer
 
 
 
 Jerry
 
 
 
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KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Rich Shepard]

  The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps file) at
the top of the page.

  With version 1 I could place a float above the recipient's name; with the
current version 2 the only float option is 'wrap' which is not what I want.
Placing the figure not as a float _almost_ works; I could play with it to
center it on the page.

  But, I'm also getting all sorts of spurious cruft (such as 'URL:') on the
preview page; do I comment out all this stuff in the preamble?

  Typeset letters are much more impressive than are the normal processed
words. But, since almost everyone uses e-mail now I just don't send
snail-mail letters like I used to do.

  Hints, clues, and ideas certainly welcomed!

Rich

Re: KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Jean-Marie Pacquet]

Le 24/01/2013 01:53, Rich Shepard a écrit :

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Rich Shepard wrote:

 The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with 
version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but 
cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps 
file) at

the top of the page.


  I resolved this issue -- sort of -- by inserting the .pdf version of 
the
letterhead immediately following 'Sender Address:'. But, I get two 
copies on
the preview, one offset from the other and I've not found why or how 
to fix

this.
You get two copies because you are using the backaddress in the 
preamble. You should uncomment the corresponding line in the preamble 
like this:


,backaddress=false% print the back address?

The backaddress is a german specific way of displaying the Sender 
Address with a tiny font in the enveloppe window on top of the 
Destination address.



It seems to me that adding the letterhead by using the Sender Address 
is not the right way to do it. You should customize the DIN.lco 
options file that you are using. Have a look at my NFpro.lco here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/KomaLetter2

I still use KOMA-Script letter2 class from time to time with Lyx version 2.
--
jmp

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 22/01/13 23:37, Jerry wrote:
 
 On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
 
 
 
 Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very simple 
 LyX file to
 Word was not perfect. I went LyX - LaTeX - docx. I did not investigate 
 setting options
 very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
 2011 (Mac)
 built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
 also on a simple
 but different document, LyX - LaTeX - docx, one equation was not typeset 
 (only the
 markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, and 
 section labels
 were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at least 
 once caused it
 to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
 converted file.
 (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
 
 I also tried to go the LyX - LaTeX - docx route, but the results were not 
 as usable as via 
 xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
 
 How did you get from XHTML - docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
 of the user's 
 manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry

Well - using

pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml

works as expected and produces a docx file.

So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
as mentioned earlier.


Truy it:

simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.

Cheers,

Rainer

Cheers,

Rainer

 
 You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
 differently on 
 different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
 comment on that.
 
 I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted the 
 odt to docx
 with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
 
 I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
 and then post
 your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
 so that there is
 some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer
 
 
 
 Jerry
 
 

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How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Frédéric Parrenin]

Dear all,


I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
copied text is underlined.

I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
any help on this.

Best regards,

Frédéric Parrenin

Re: How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-23, Frédéric Parrenin wrote:

 [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]

 Dear all,


 I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
 copied text is underlined.

 I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
 any help on this.

 Best regards,

The most usual reason for this (if it is a blue underline) is, that the
copied text is given a language (or language variant) tag that differs
from the document default language. (LyX/LaTeX can handle parts in
different languages in one document - with correct language-dependent
hyphenation and auto-generated text.)

You might see language: ... in the status line on the bottom of the LyX
window.

If the text parts are really in different languages, just leave the line as
a reminder (you can also disable the underlingin somewhere in the settings).

To unify the language setting, select the underlined text (or the whole
document) and change the language setting under EditLanguages
(or EditText SettingsCustom ...).

Hope this helps.

Günter

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Guenter Milde]

Dear Nico,

On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:

 I think the right approach is to have a LyX XML schema, export to
 that, then apply an XSL to convert to whatever format you want.  I've
 written a script to convert .lyx to XML using a very simple-minded
 approach; I don't have a schema defined for this, just well-formed XML
 output.
...

 There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
 I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
 LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
 LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
 source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
 the tree.

Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

If you search the archives, you will find that the idea to move the
native LyX format to XML is discussed since several years without a
consensus between the developers. Therefore I understand the hesitation of
the developers to re-open this can of worms and rather concentrate on
issues that are agreed on.

But this is exactly why I really like your idea of a LyX-XML *in addition*
to the current native format. This will give new insight in the advantages
as well as problems of such a transition and will be of great value to the
XSL freaks independent of the decision whether it should become LyX's
default format. 

I don't know whether it will become possible to have painless LyX-Word
conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
still be the best route for this conversion.

Thanks for your work,

Günter

Re: Saving a document as a new default template?

[stefano franchi]

Aha! That's where it was hidden. Thanks Paul.

I would suggest editing the Customization help file, section 5.2.4, with
that information then. It is seldom used command (or it should be) and
people like me would forget where to look for.

Best,

Stefano


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 Document  Settings...  Save as Document Defaults button?

 Paul




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Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:
 There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
 I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
 LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
 LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
 source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
 the tree.

 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.

I'm not.  I soldier one because I want to use LyX and I need XML.  In
fact, for *my* use cases the script is done.  It's not complete
however, and I was hoping others would be interested in contributing.
Instead it seems I will have to finish my XSLs (I'm doing this in my
spare time) and write a nice blog post about all this (with some
exposition of XSL code and explanations) to get people interested.

I've been surprised at how close .lyx is to being a form of XML, and
how irritating some of the ways in which it's not are.  (For example,
when mixing text styles there's no well-formed-XML-like closing of
tags.  The most irritating thing by far is the fact that description
lists items' title/description are separated by the first breaking
space.)

 I don't know whether it will become possible to have painless LyX-Word
 conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
 still be the best route for this conversion.

Right, there may be loss of metadata, and it may be that multiple
XSLs, or one with many options, will be needed to provide a useful
experience.  That's to be expected in schema transformations.

Nico
--

Space allocated for pdf-graphics way too large on linux

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi,

I am happily using lyx 2.0.5 on both linux and windows.
Importing pdf graphics works great with the windows version, however on
linux lyx allocates a lot of space even for small graphics in the edit
view:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ceisserer/January23201302?authkey=Gv1sRgCIKHna-167igxgE#5836701347663747378

On the generated pdf, everything looks fine though.

Any idea whats going wrong here?

Thank you in advance, Clemens

LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:

 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

I have a question for you...

When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?

Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
readability and writeability?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.

I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Thanks

SteveT


Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
 Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
 the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.

 I have a question for you...

 When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?

 Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
 human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
 readability and writeability?

I want XML because of XSLT (and XPath, and XQuery): I can write XSLs
to convert from one schema to another, and this then gets to be
completely external to LyX.  If the LyX XML schema changes, of course,
the XSLs need updating, but it's XSLT code, not C++ or what have you
-- it's a simpler update.  It's more than that.  You can serve XML and
XSLs from some web server and let the browser apply the XSLs to create
XHTML.  And more.  There's lots of databases that specialize in XML
documents and make it easy to search them in regular ways (i.e., with
XPath or XQuery).  I'm probably only scratching the surface here.

Also, properly formatted XML is not human-opaque, but merely annoying.

Don't get me wrong: I'm *not* a fan of XML.  I'm a fan of the DSLs and
tooling that has been built around XML, which -for me- overcome the
downsides to XML itself.

Of course, if our world had been built on programming languages with
hygienic macro facilities with all the power expect of a Scheme, then
we could write these DSLs as needed.  XML is so much wheel
re-invention, but there's a ton of value in standardizing these DSLs:
you can write portable code in them, and you need only know those
standard DSLs instead of having to learn and hack on ad-hoc DSLs.

In a sense YAML saddens me: it's even more wheel re-invention, but
without the DSLs to go with it that XML has.  Why would I want this
for any purpose other than UI?  And why would I want it even for that
purpose when LyX *is* the UI?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

I don't really care what it is as long as there's a trivial,
*lossless* mapping onto XML.  (My script's translation of .lyx to XML
is lossless, though the return trip will not obtain the same original
.lyx because some things in .lyx content need to get normalized in the
conversion to XML.  But no data and metadata get lost in the
conversion.)

 As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
 Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.

 I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
 somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

I don't think converting directly from .lyx to YAML is going to be any
easier than converting directly to XML is, but if it's *as* easy then
FYI you'll still run into pretty much the same issues I did in
lyx2xml.

Nico
--

creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Vivek]

I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with ability to 
display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.

Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.

Lyx and latex gurus help me.

Vivek

Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
 I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
 ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
 
 Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
 
 Lyx and latex gurus help me.
 
 Vivek
 

One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding. I
came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's bold
or whatever.

And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question and
answer counters.

I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
subject.

SteveT

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Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:19:33 -0500, Steve Litt said:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
  I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
  ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
  
  Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
  
  Lyx and latex gurus help me.
  
  Vivek
  
 
 One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding.
 I came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
 style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
 same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's
 bold or whatever.
 
 And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question
 and answer counters.
 
 I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
 subject.
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
 Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Good news Vivek,

I've already done it and posted it on the web. I had forgotten
about that. See these:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Multiple_Choice_Quizzes:_Conceptual

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Implementation_of_the_Multiple_Choice

I'm sure you'll need to improve on what I've done to suit your
particular need, but this certainly proves it's doable and gives you a
head-start.

When you're done with these environments, please post them back to the
list so we can all see a professional implementation.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
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Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:

 Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
 converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
 my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
to finished is your converter?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:

 Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
 converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
 my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

 Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
 to finished is your converter?

It... works.  For that subset of LyX that I use.  This includes
tables, but not math (someone needs to port to Python the
LaTeX-MathML code that can be found all over), and who knows what
else.

You can find it at
https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx/tree/lyxml/lib/lyx2lyx  -- look
for lyx2xml*.  Forgive the sloppy code.

If this is of use to you and you need more features and want to
contribute them, or maybe tell me what they'd be...  we can make this
better.

Nico
--

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Jerry]

On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:

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 On 22/01/13 23:37, Jerry wrote:
 
 On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
 
 
 
 Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very 
 simple LyX file to
 Word was not perfect. I went LyX - LaTeX - docx. I did not investigate 
 setting options
 very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
 2011 (Mac)
 built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
 also on a simple
 but different document, LyX - LaTeX - docx, one equation was not typeset 
 (only the
 markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, 
 and section labels
 were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at 
 least once caused it
 to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
 converted file.
 (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
 
 I also tried to go the LyX - LaTeX - docx route, but the results were not 
 as usable as via 
 xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
 
 How did you get from XHTML - docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
 of the user's 
 manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry
 
 Well - using
 
 pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml
 
 works as expected and produces a docx file.
 
 So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
 as mentioned earlier.
 
 
 Truy it:
 
 simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer

Thanks, Ranier. I have just now tried this on a simple document (two equations, 
two sections, a footnote, a figure with caption, a greyed comment, and two 
cross references (to an equation and to a section).

As usual, the LyXHTML looks very good. But in the docx, the equations are not 
rendered and contain spurious text, the figure caption and figure name are 
separated from the figure and are shown as normal text, spurious text is 
inserted relating to the image, and all of the cross-references move the cursor 
to the title rather than to where it should move. The footnote is printed as 
ordinary text as is the greyed text also.

pandoc -o newfile.odt newfile1.xhtml

results in a similar result, but with completely nonfunctional cross references 
and no spurious text relating to the figure image.

I'm using OS X, LyX 2.0.5, Word 2011, LibreOffice 4.0.0.1, and pandoc 1.9.4.2.

Jerry

 
 You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
 differently on 
 different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
 comment on that.
 
 I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted 
 the odt to docx
 with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
 
 I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
 and then post
 your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
 so that there is
 some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rainer
 
 
 
 Jerry
 
 
 
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KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Rich Shepard]

  The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps file) at
the top of the page.

  With version 1 I could place a float above the recipient's name; with the
current version 2 the only float option is 'wrap' which is not what I want.
Placing the figure not as a float _almost_ works; I could play with it to
center it on the page.

  But, I'm also getting all sorts of spurious cruft (such as 'URL:') on the
preview page; do I comment out all this stuff in the preamble?

  Typeset letters are much more impressive than are the normal processed
words. But, since almost everyone uses e-mail now I just don't send
snail-mail letters like I used to do.

  Hints, clues, and ideas certainly welcomed!

Rich

Re: KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Jean-Marie Pacquet]

Le 24/01/2013 01:53, Rich Shepard a écrit :

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Rich Shepard wrote:

 The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with 
version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but 
cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps 
file) at

the top of the page.


  I resolved this issue -- sort of -- by inserting the .pdf version of 
the
letterhead immediately following 'Sender Address:'. But, I get two 
copies on
the preview, one offset from the other and I've not found why or how 
to fix

this.
You get two copies because you are using the backaddress in the 
preamble. You should uncomment the corresponding line in the preamble 
like this:


,backaddress=false% print the back address?

The backaddress is a german specific way of displaying the Sender 
Address with a tiny font in the enveloppe window on top of the 
Destination address.



It seems to me that adding the letterhead by using the Sender Address 
is not the right way to do it. You should customize the DIN.lco 
options file that you are using. Have a look at my NFpro.lco here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/KomaLetter2

I still use KOMA-Script letter2 class from time to time with Lyx version 2.
--
jmp

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 22/01/13 23:37, Jerry wrote:
> 
> On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very simple 
>>> LyX file to
>>> Word was not perfect. I went LyX -> LaTeX -> docx. I did not investigate 
>>> setting options
>>> very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
>>> 2011 (Mac)
>>> built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
>>> also on a simple
>>> but different document, LyX -> LaTeX -> docx, one equation was not typeset 
>>> (only the
>>> markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, and 
>>> section labels
>>> were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at least 
>>> once caused it
>>> to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
>>> converted file.
>>> (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
>> 
>> I also tried to go the LyX -> LaTeX -> docx route, but the results were not 
>> as usable as via 
>> xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
> 
> How did you get from XHTML -> docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
> of the user's 
> manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry

Well - using

pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml

works as expected and produces a docx file.

So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
as mentioned earlier.


Truy it:

simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.

Cheers,

Rainer

Cheers,

Rainer

> 
>> You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
>> differently on 
>> different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
>> comment on that.
>> 
>> I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted the 
>> odt to docx
>> with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
>> 
>> I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
>> and then post
>> your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
>> so that there is
>> some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Rainer
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jerry
> 
> 

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How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Frédéric Parrenin]

Dear all,


I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
copied text is underlined.

I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
any help on this.

Best regards,

Frédéric Parrenin

Re: How to remove underline in a text copied from a document to another document

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-23, Frédéric Parrenin wrote:

> [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]

> Dear all,


> I copied some sections of a lyx document to another lyx document and the
> copied text is underlined.

> I could not find any way to remove this text property and would appreciate
> any help on this.

> Best regards,

The most usual reason for this (if it is a blue underline) is, that the
copied text is given a language (or language variant) tag that differs
from the document default language. (LyX/LaTeX can handle parts in
different languages in one document - with correct language-dependent
hyphenation and auto-generated text.)

You might see "language: ..." in the status line on the bottom of the LyX
window.

If the text parts are really in different languages, just leave the line as
a reminder (you can also disable the underlingin somewhere in the settings).

To "unify" the language setting, select the underlined text (or the whole
document) and change the language setting under Edit>Languages
(or Edit>Text Settings>Custom ...).

Hope this helps.

Günter

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Guenter Milde]

Dear Nico,

On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:

> I think the right approach is to have a LyX XML schema, export to
> that, then apply an XSL to convert to whatever format you want.  I've
> written a script to convert .lyx to XML using a very simple-minded
> approach; I don't have a schema defined for this, just well-formed XML
> output.
...

> There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
> I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
> LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
> LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
> source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
> the tree.

Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

If you search the archives, you will find that the idea to move the
native LyX format to XML is discussed since several years without a
consensus between the developers. Therefore I understand the hesitation of
the developers to re-open this can of worms and rather concentrate on
issues that are agreed on.

But this is exactly why I really like your idea of a LyX-XML *in addition*
to the current native format. This will give new insight in the advantages
as well as problems of such a transition and will be of great value to the
"XSL freaks" independent of the decision whether it should become LyX's
default format. 

I don't know whether it will become possible to have "painless" LyX<->Word
conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
still be the best route for this conversion.

Thanks for your work,

Günter

Re: Saving a document as a new default template?

[stefano franchi]

Aha! That's where it was hidden. Thanks Paul.

I would suggest editing the Customization help file, section 5.2.4, with
that information then. It is seldom used command (or it should be) and
people like me would forget where to look for.

Best,

Stefano


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul A. Rubin  wrote:

> Document > Settings... > Save as Document Defaults button?
>
> Paul
>
>


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Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
> On 2013-01-22, Nico Williams wrote:
>> There was a thread about this a while back and the conclusion was that
>> I'm on my own with this, that for now my lyx2xml is not to be part of
>> LyX.  Partly there's a desire to consider making XML a native thing in
>> LyX, and partly there's a desire to not add more things into the LyX
>> source tree that might break when new features are added elsewhere in
>> the tree.
>
> Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
> the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.

I'm not.  I soldier one because I want to use LyX and I need XML.  In
fact, for *my* use cases the script is done.  It's not complete
however, and I was hoping others would be interested in contributing.
Instead it seems I will have to finish my XSLs (I'm doing this in my
spare time) and write a nice blog post about all this (with some
exposition of XSL code and explanations) to get people interested.

I've been surprised at how close .lyx is to being a form of XML, and
how irritating some of the ways in which it's not are.  (For example,
when mixing text styles there's no well-formed-XML-like closing of
"tags".  The most irritating thing by far is the fact that description
lists items' title/description are separated by the first breaking
space.)

> I don't know whether it will become possible to have "painless" LyX<->Word
> conversions at all, because the document models differ widely, but XSL may
> still be the best route for this conversion.

Right, there may be loss of metadata, and it may be that multiple
XSLs, or one with many options, will be needed to provide a useful
experience.  That's to be expected in schema transformations.

Nico
--

Space allocated for pdf-graphics way too large on linux

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi,

I am happily using lyx 2.0.5 on both linux and windows.
Importing pdf graphics works great with the windows version, however on
linux lyx allocates a lot of space even for small graphics in the edit
view:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ceisserer/January23201302?authkey=Gv1sRgCIKHna-167igxgE#5836701347663747378

On the generated pdf, everything looks fine though.

Any idea whats going wrong here?

Thank you in advance, Clemens

LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:

> Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
> the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX. 

I have a question for you...

When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?

Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
readability and writeability?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.

I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Thanks

SteveT


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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:15:15 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
>> Please don't be discouraged to continue the work on and publication of
>> the lyx2xml script. I think it is a useful addition to LyX.
>
> I have a question for you...
>
> When is somebody going to write a lyx2yaml script?
>
> Another question: Instead of having LyX's native format being
> human-opaque XML, why not make it YAML, the ultimate in human
> readability and writeability?

I want XML because of XSLT (and XPath, and XQuery): I can write XSLs
to convert from one schema to another, and this then gets to be
completely external to LyX.  If the LyX XML schema changes, of course,
the XSLs need updating, but it's XSLT code, not C++ or what have you
-- it's a simpler update.  It's more than that.  You can serve XML and
XSLs from some web server and let the browser apply the XSLs to create
XHTML.  And more.  There's lots of databases that specialize in XML
documents and make it easy to search them in regular ways (i.e., with
XPath or XQuery).  I'm probably only scratching the surface here.

Also, properly formatted XML is not human-opaque, but merely annoying.

Don't get me wrong: I'm *not* a fan of XML.  I'm a fan of the DSLs and
tooling that has been built around XML, which -for me- overcome the
downsides to XML itself.

Of course, if our world had been built on programming languages with
hygienic macro facilities with all the power expect of a Scheme, then
we could write these DSLs as needed.  XML is so much wheel
re-invention, but there's a ton of value in standardizing these DSLs:
you can write portable code in them, and you need only know those
standard DSLs instead of having to learn and hack on ad-hoc DSLs.

In a sense YAML saddens me: it's even more wheel re-invention, but
without the DSLs to go with it that XML has.  Why would I want this
for any purpose other than UI?  And why would I want it even for that
purpose when LyX *is* the UI?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaml

I don't really care what it is as long as there's a trivial,
*lossless* mapping onto XML.  (My script's translation of .lyx to XML
is lossless, though the return trip will not obtain the same original
.lyx because some things in .lyx content need to get normalized in the
conversion to XML.  But no data and metadata get lost in the
conversion.)

> As I understand, the LyX project's preferred scripting language is
> Python, and PyYaml is an excellent YAML parser and emitter.
>
> I don't have time or knowledge to write a lyx2yaml script, but if
> somebody else takes the captain's chair, I'll for sure help.

Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

I don't think converting directly from .lyx to YAML is going to be any
easier than converting directly to XML is, but if it's *as* easy then
FYI you'll still run into pretty much the same issues I did in
lyx2xml.

Nico
--

creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Vivek]

I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with ability to 
display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.

Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.

Lyx and latex gurus help me.

Vivek

Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
> I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
> ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
> 
> Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
> 
> Lyx and latex gurus help me.
> 
> Vivek
> 

One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding. I
came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's bold
or whatever.

And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question and
answer counters.

I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
subject.

SteveT

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Re: creating a quiz /multiple choice questions with Lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:19:33 -0500, Steve Litt said:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:24:16 + (UTC), Vivek said:
> > I would like to create a MCQ list at the end of a presentation with
> > ability to display correct answers/ and a score at end of the test.
> > 
> > Is it possible to do so in lyx? or Latex is the way to go.
> > 
> > Lyx and latex gurus help me.
> > 
> > Vivek
> > 
> 
> One way or another, you'll need to do some pretty fancy LaTeX coding.
> I came darn close to doing that once. Basically, you use a different
> style for the correct question, with that style presenting the exact
> same appearance *unless* a specific variable is set, and then it's
> bold or whatever.
> 
> And of course, you'll need to do the right things with the question
> and answer counters.
> 
> I'm almost positive it's doable -- I did a lot of research on that
> subject.
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
>   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Good news Vivek,

I've already done it and posted it on the web. I had forgotten
about that. See these:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Multiple_Choice_Quizzes:_Conceptual

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm#_Implementation_of_the_Multiple_Choice

I'm sure you'll need to improve on what I've done to suit your
particular need, but this certainly proves it's doable and gives you a
head-start.

When you're done with these environments, please post them back to the
list so we can all see a professional implementation.

SteveT

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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:

> Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
> converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
> my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.

Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
to finished is your converter?

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX2YAML: was Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Nico Williams]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:20:57 -0600, Nico Williams said:
>
>> Well, there's http://yaxml.rubyforge.org/ , which is a tool that
>> converts between (in both directions) YAXML and YAML.  Pair this with
>> my lyx2xml script and you have a way to convert to YAML.
>
> Well cool, I guess that's one less program I have to write. How close
> to finished is your converter?

It... works.  For that subset of LyX that I use.  This includes
tables, but not math (someone needs to port to Python the
LaTeX->MathML code that can be found all over), and who knows what
else.

You can find it at
https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx/tree/lyxml/lib/lyx2lyx  -- look
for lyx2xml*.  Forgive the sloppy code.

If this is of use to you and you need more features and want to
contribute them, or maybe tell me what they'd be...  we can make this
better.

Nico
--

Re: Word won't open simplest LyXHTML file

[Jerry]

On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:

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>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
>> 
 
 
 Also, I played with pandoc a while back and its conversion of a very 
 simple LyX file to
 Word was not perfect. I went LyX -> LaTeX -> docx. I did not investigate 
 setting options
 very much. I recall that equations made the trip and were editable in Word 
 2011 (Mac)
 built-in equation editor, but equation numbers were lost. Today's effort, 
 also on a simple
 but different document, LyX -> LaTeX -> docx, one equation was not typeset 
 (only the
 markup appeared), a .eps file was not found even though it was present, 
 and section labels
 were translated as literal text. Converting to .odt was worse, and at 
 least once caused it
 to crash when it was attempting to repair what it thought was a damaged 
 converted file.
 (But what _doesn't_ cause LibreOffice to crash?)
>>> 
>>> I also tried to go the LyX -> LaTeX -> docx route, but the results were not 
>>> as usable as via 
>>> xhtml. So I would suggest to try the route via xhtml.
>> 
>> How did you get from XHTML -> docx? Pandoc (according to the first paragraph 
>> of the user's 
>> manual) does not accept XHTML input files. Jerry
> 
> Well - using
> 
> pandoc -o newfile.docx newfile1.xhtml
> 
> works as expected and produces a docx file.
> 
> So I can only say it works. I only used the converters and format definitions 
> as mentioned earlier.
> 
> 
> Truy it:
> 
> simple lyx file, export to LyXhtml and use above command to convert to docx.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rainer

Thanks, Ranier. I have just now tried this on a simple document (two equations, 
two sections, a footnote, a figure with caption, a greyed comment, and two 
cross references (to an equation and to a section).

As usual, the LyXHTML looks very good. But in the docx, the equations are not 
rendered and contain spurious text, the figure caption and figure name are 
separated from the figure and are shown as normal text, spurious text is 
inserted relating to the image, and all of the cross-references move the cursor 
to the title rather than to where it should move. The footnote is printed as 
ordinary text as is the greyed text also.

pandoc -o newfile.odt newfile1.xhtml

results in a similar result, but with completely nonfunctional cross references 
and no spurious text relating to the figure image.

I'm using OS X, LyX 2.0.5, Word 2011, LibreOffice 4.0.0.1, and pandoc 1.9.4.2.

Jerry

>> 
>>> You should try both converters (the build in and eLyXe), as they performed 
>>> differently on 
>>> different objects. As my document did not contain any equations, I can not 
>>> comment on that.
>>> 
>>> I must say, that I also used pandoc to convert to odt and then converted 
>>> the odt to docx
>>> with OpenOffice (this was before LibreOffice...) and it also worked well.
>>> 
>>> I can only suggest to try the different paths out and see which works best, 
>>> and then post
>>> your experiences here and add them to  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6042 
>>> so that there is
>>> some progress with pandoc support in LyX.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Rainer
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Jerry
>> 
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KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Rich Shepard]

  The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps file) at
the top of the page.

  With version 1 I could place a float above the recipient's name; with the
current version 2 the only float option is 'wrap' which is not what I want.
Placing the figure not as a float _almost_ works; I could play with it to
center it on the page.

  But, I'm also getting all sorts of spurious cruft (such as 'URL:') on the
preview page; do I comment out all this stuff in the preamble?

  Typeset letters are much more impressive than are the normal processed
words. But, since almost everyone uses e-mail now I just don't send
snail-mail letters like I used to do.

  Hints, clues, and ideas certainly welcomed!

Rich

Re: KOMA-script letter2: adding graphic letterhead

[Jean-Marie Pacquet]

Le 24/01/2013 01:53, Rich Shepard a écrit :

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Rich Shepard wrote:

 The last time I used the KOMA-Script letter2 class in LyX was with 
version
1; probably 8 or 9 years ago. Now I want to use it for a letter but 
cannot
figure out how, in version 2, I can add my letterhead (as an .eps 
file) at

the top of the page.


  I resolved this issue -- sort of -- by inserting the .pdf version of 
the
letterhead immediately following 'Sender Address:'. But, I get two 
copies on
the preview, one offset from the other and I've not found why or how 
to fix

this.
You get two copies because you are using the backaddress in the 
preamble. You should uncomment the corresponding line in the preamble 
like this:


,backaddress=false% print the back address?

The backaddress is a german specific way of displaying the Sender 
Address with a tiny font in the enveloppe window on top of the 
"Destination address".



It seems to me that adding the letterhead by using the "Sender Address" 
is not the right way to do it. You should customize the "DIN.lco" 
options file that you are using. Have a look at my NFpro.lco here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/KomaLetter2

I still use KOMA-Script letter2 class from time to time with Lyx version 2.
--
jmp