Disable line numbering in listing

[bigblop]

I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side. How do I
disable linenumbering?
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Re: Disable line numbering in listing

[Uwe Stöhr]

bigblop schrieb:


I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side.


I can't reproduce this. This works fine in the examples given in section 7 of the EmbeddedObjects 
manual you find in the Help menu of LyX.


regards Uwe

Re: Holy Moly!

[Rudi van der Linde]

Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!

Have you seen my original posts and attempts at un-subscibing?  If
yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were in
alignment with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
moron for speaking out of turn.

Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in 
mind that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do 
anything about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and 
people will assist you if you but ask politely.


I was wondering - do you realise that you have a read request on the 
emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be 
flooded with read confirmation messages because you will receive one 
from each person that reads your abusive messages?


I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a 
long time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in 
mind that the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does 
it get dark when you sit down.


I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was 
just wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  
Please leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.


Rudi

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Re: Holy Moly

[vette0419]

FYI:  I have begun to overtly express my disapproval of the the rude and
vulgar behaviors I have experienced with the LyX group - via the many
well-known public forums.  I firmly believe that the public at large
should always be aware of shady practices by any entity, whether
organizational or corporate in nature.

PS:  I have no further intentions of engaging in any conversation with
any person directly or indirectly related to the LyX group.

Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot 
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.


http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 killermike [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201


That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list
yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less
threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've
seen that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

-- 
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Jeremy C. Reed]

 That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list 
 yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less 
 threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've seen 
 that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

The LyX developers and mailing list community are very polite and helpful. 
I have participated on the lists for over five years. LyX and its 
community have been very useful for me personally and professionally.

For what it is worth, I do some of my projects in LyX, and some in vi 
using LaTeX or DocBook. It mostly depends on what I am working on or 
working with to decide on the tools/technology.

I recently started exploring S5 for slideshow in browser, but it made my 
firefox very sluggish and I couldn't quickly find a tool (other than vi) 
to create and maintain a slideshow. So I quickly used LyX with Beamer to 
do a 50+ slide presentation on DNSSEC. (I will presenting again in Dallas, 
Texas next week -- let me know if you are in Dallas area.)  LyX lets me 
focus on content and less on formatting and presentation.

Thank you again to the LyX developers and community.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

I find this response quite topical considering the discussions from several 
days ago:

Any replacement for LaTeX that intends to do most of the same things is 
pretty much doomed to be markup language, even if you dump XML pixie dust on 
it. XML after all is just a horrible human unreadable markup language 
itself.

I'm NOT trying to imply that XML wouldn't make the LyX developers' job much 
easier or that we shouldn't go to XML. I'm merely putting this forth as a 
different way of describing the POWERUSER problems created by XML (yes, I'm 
looking in to YAML as an intermediate parsing format).

SteveT

Steve Litt
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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out 
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it. 
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one 
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over 
multiple books.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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Re: Math Macro

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


rgheck wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:
A paper I'm writing has a googolplex of symbols with an  
\overrightarrow overhead. What would be the best way to make  
these insertions in math mode as quick as possible?


Well, you can shorten \overrightarrow by defining a quick math- 
macro, e.g.:

\newcommand{\ora}[1]{\overrightarrow{#1}}
Remember that you can actually type that into LyX, then highlight  
it, and hit Ctrl-M to declare the macro. And then, if you like,  
you can define a shortcut for this: math-insert \ora is the  
function you would want.


FYI, you can also type 'math-macro ora 1' in the mini-buffer, then  
put the cursor in the first of the two boxes in the created inset  
and type '\#1' (omitting the quotes both times).  The second box is  
irrelevant. Does the same thing as what Richard suggested.


However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key  
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert  
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math  
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea.  
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac.  
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


\Bruce

Re: Holy Moly!

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Rudi van der Linde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!

 Have you seen my original posts and attempts at un-subscibing?  If
 yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were in
 alignment with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
 moron for speaking out of turn.


 Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in mind
 that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do anything
 about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and people will assist
 you if you but ask politely.

 I was wondering - do you realise that you have a read request on the
 emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be flooded
 with read confirmation messages because you will receive one from each
 person that reads your abusive messages?

 I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a long
 time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in mind that
 the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does it get dark
 when you sit down.

 I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was just
 wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  Please
 leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.

 Rudi

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 This message (and attachments) is subject to restrictions and a disclaimer.
 Please refer to http://www.ansys.co.za/index.html or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
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I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
intelligent feedback if something is wrong.

Cheers,
/Bob

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

 Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

 LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
 of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
 LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
 book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
 multiple books.


Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?
Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/7/30 Steve Litt[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
multiple books.



Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


That is Steve's opinion :-)

I use LyX for all my writings: letters, invoices, articles, technical 
documents, now also CV, etc.




I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user 
like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the 
ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)


I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to 
learn LateX :-)


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


  Nope. I write letters, articles, reports, and presentations using LyX. Of
course, I did use it to write my book (using Springer's monograph class) and
that's where I really learned LaTeX, too. As I needed the information to do
what I or my editor wanted.


I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles and
I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I edit HTML.
In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it does not translate
well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing capability.


  Learn LyX. Back a decade or so ago when I first started, it took me about
a half-hour to work through the tutorial. Then I started writing using this
tool rather than the word processor. As I came across needs not covered in
the tutorial I looked at the two docs under the 'help' menu and, as a last
resort, asked on this mail list. Bit-by-bit my knowledge of LaTeX increased
and I became much more efficient in my writing.

  A friend of mine had been writing in plain TeX (probably still is) when I
raved about LyX to him as soon as I completed the turorial. He had spent two
weeks writing his daughter's resume in plain TeX and asked if I could -- as
a complete newcomer -- reproduce the output using LyX. A day later I sent
him the results with the .lyx file. He was suitably impressed, but still
stuck with plain TeX. (Of course, his OS was Emacs, and he rarely used a GUI
except under employer duress.)


I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a document,
and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


  Yup. The 'source' is plain text with markup tags.


Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit of
HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend more than
a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take more than a few
good hours


  Which is why you should work through the LyX tutorial right away. It's not
a programming language (although it can be used that way.) There was an
interesting blog to which I was referred by my business partner that
detailed how a Premier Geek wrote code to control a Martian Lander robot
using only TeX. It worked.

Rich

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Re: Math Macro

[Paul A. Rubin]

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. But I 
haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. Do I just 
find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I think 
it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  Tools - 
Preferences - User interface - Bind file will tell you which bind file 
you are currently using (presumably the one you want to hack).  Browse 
should open the directory it lives in (normally LyX 
root/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help - About LyX - User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind ... math-insert \overrightarrow

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.


/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Les Denham]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I use LyX for most writing of any kind.  I find it most useful for writing 
technical reports, where I find on average it reduces the total time I spend 
on the writing by about 50%.  My most recent report, which I finished 
yesterday, was about 70 pages, around 70% figures and the remainder text.  
The figures were in PDF, PNG and AGR format.

A quick check of my project directories shows I have PDF files generated from 
LyX ranging in size from 3 kB to 40 MB -- so I obviously use LyX for 
documents of all sizes.

-- 
Les

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Re: Math Macro

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. 
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. 
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I 
think it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  
Tools - Preferences - User interface - Bind file will tell you 
which bind file you are currently using (presumably the one you want 
to hack).  Browse should open the directory it lives in (normally LyX 
root/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help - About LyX - User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind ... math-insert \overrightarrow

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.



That all looks right to me.

FYI, 1.6 will have (when it is released, but it does now have in beta) a 
GUI shortcut editor that makes this easier.


rh

Re: Finding Bad characters

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:45:38PM +0200, G. Milde wrote:
 On 25.07.08, Sebastian Rohrer wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have a relatively large lyx document that does not compile. The error  
  message is:
 
  Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the  
  chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.
 
 Actually, changing the encoding to utf8 will most probably *not* help 
 (as utf8 is very limited in the range of supported characters).

Hm?

Andre'

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Dotan Cohen wrote:
  2008/7/30 Steve Litt[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
  The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
  thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
 
  http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201
 
  Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:
 
  LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a
  lot out of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero
  out of it. LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going
  to write one book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the
  payoff has come over multiple books.
 
  Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

 That is Steve's opinion :-)

It *is* more or less my opinion, but Dotan doesn't know that because I didn't 
express that opinion in this thread -- you (Abdel) know it's my opinion from 
other threads.


 I use LyX for all my writings: letters, 

I admit using LyX for over 50% of all my letters -- all my letters to 
senators, congressmen and the president.

 invoices, 

I use plain text for my invoices, and pdfize them with enscript and ps2pdf. 
Plain text is great because it will be readable 100 years from now. Certainly 
TeX and LaTeX have similar advantages.

 articles, 

For an article over 10,000 words, in which I didn't need to do special 
formatting, I'd use LyX too. When I say book, I also mean long document.


 technical   
 documents, 

Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.

 now also CV, etc. 

I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in 
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically 
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article. 
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that 
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word 
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.


  I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
  and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
  edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
  does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
  capability.
 
  I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
  document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?

 Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user
 like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the
 ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.

I see inserting raw LaTeX and tweaking native LyX files as two completely 
different techniques optimized for completely different activities. Here are 
some of the things I do by creating or tweaking native LyX:

1) Personalize (watermark) Ebooks
2) VimOutliner to LyX conversion
3) In my courseware's Instructor Notes, correspond courseware slide numbers to 
the Instructor Note sections. Of course, this could probably have been done 
better with a custom environment with its own counter, but 5 years ago I 
didn't know enough LaTeX to do that, so I cheated and used template tokens 
within my LyX file. This brings up the important point that editing native 
LyX can often give you a quick and dirty solution if you don't have time to 
learn the proper LaTeX now, but you need the document now.
4) Troubleshoot LyX compilation or appearance issues.


  Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
  of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
  more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
  more than a few good hours :)

 I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
 learn LateX :-)

Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how do 
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?

I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what 
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an 
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the 
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Holy Moly!

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:00, Bob Lounsbury wrote:

 I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
 email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
 not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
 intelligent feedback if something is wrong.

 Cheers,
 /Bob

I would really love that. That guy's vitriol is just soo tiring. Sometimes 
on the Internet I have to deal with personality problems, but usually the 
person has some redeeming techology qualities. Nastiness for nastiness's sake 
is something I don't have time for.

86 him from the lists!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

technical
documents,


Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.


I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else 
than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.
Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a 
meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well 
structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)



now also CV, etc.


I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article.
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.


Well, for people like me who didn't change his CV layout for years, the 
modern CV class gave a refreshing look to my CV :-)



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
learn LateX :-)


Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how do
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?


I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.



I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?


Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the 
real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document 
classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do 
is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I 
also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not a 
letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX for 
letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the top 
margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that would 
accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around for that 
(and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in both 
Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the time in LyX 
I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a syllabus, but 
I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations, 
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Denné Reed]

I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both  
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with  
LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking  
etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues  
to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking  
changes are not as good.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which  
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format  
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document  
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document  
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of  
Biogeography)


For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've  
been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored  
manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R  
code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world  
for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to  
see developed further.


If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to  
hear them.


Many thanks,
Denné

Assistant Professor
University of Texas at Austin
Department of Anthropology
1 University Station C3200
Austin TX 78712

phone: (512) 471-7529
fax: (512) 471-6535
web: http://webspace.utexas.edu/dnr266/www


On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor  
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's  
not a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use  
LyX for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in  
both the top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX  
class that would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of  
WordPerfect around for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in  
both Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the  
time in LyX I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a  
syllabus, but I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations,  
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not 
a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX 
for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the 
top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that 
would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around 
for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


It's fairly easy to put together the LaTeX needed to do such stationary. 
I've got a LaTeX package I use for my own letters, and there are so many 
such things around that it's easy to adapt them. Adapting them to LyX is 
of course just a matter of tweaking the relevant layout file.


rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Denné Reed wrote:
I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both 
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with LyX 
/ LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking etc.).


LyX does have change tracking. I've used it. Unfamiliarity is of course 
something we can change. ;-)


Concrete suggestions for how we could improve collaboration would be 
more than welcome. Post them here for comment, or on lyx-devel, and then 
add them to bugzilla once we have some clarity. I know that this is a 
big issue for a lot of people, and it's something a lot of us think 
about. It's way too late to do anything on this score for 1.6, but for 
1.7


I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues to 
purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking 
changes are not as good.


I'm puzzled by this remark. Why does that require Acrobat? Is this for 
notating PDFs and the like? If so, you might want to look into AREnable: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/. And my understanding is that 
there are FOSS pdf viewers on the near horizon that will do this.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which 
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format 
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document 
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document 
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of 
Biogeography)



I think we've all had that frustration.

rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

Steve Litt wrote:
Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.
  
I don't want to come off as someone who is purely defensive of LyX but I 
beg to differ with this point. I write all of my articles in LyX and I 
don't see how it would be easier in OO. Basic HTML output is one of the 
most important things to me when writing articles.


There are things that I wouldn't write in LyX, such as a letter. I try 
to do everything in LyX if I can though. I tell myself that I'm getting 
a bit of extra LyX practice, if nothing else.


--
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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 16:42, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
  technical
  documents,
 
  Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000
  words long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.

 I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else
 than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.

You're right. Math is best with a TeX based program.

 Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a
 meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well
 structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)

As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY product with which to take notes is 
VimOutliner. It's by far the fastest way to get information from your brain 
to file.

[clip]

  I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
  learn LateX :-)
 
  Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how
  do you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?

 I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.

  I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and
  what they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including
  an additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you
  get the look you want without being a LaTeX expert?

 Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the
 real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document
 classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do
 is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I
 also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).

This is a huge distinction that should be understood by everyone.

If one is happy with the styles bestowed by the combination of a standard 
LaTeX class and LyX, then LyX is nothing short of a totally robust, perfectly 
typesetting, trivial to use wordprocessor. ALL the work has been done by 
Knuth, Lamport, package designers, document class designers, and the LyX 
developers. It's by far the most productive way to write. If one is satisfied 
with the LyX provided styles, the only rational decision is to use LyX.

If one requires significant additional styles, the situation is not so clear. 
There have been times when I had to work a whole day to make a single style. 
This is not because I'm stupid or because LyX is difficult, but because of 
the nature of LaTeX. Also, there are certain layout looks that I'm not 
capable of creating in LyX, no matter how much time I devote. That could NOT 
have been said of WordPerfect 5.1, with which I could make absolutely any 
style appearance.

So with people like me, it boils down to a tradeoff between LyX's robust, easy 
and aesthetically pleasing authoring, and LyX's difficult and time consuming 
style authoring. For me, that tradeoff falls well on the side of LyX being 
productive.

I think everyone should understand that when you hear one person say LyX is 
trivially easy to use, and another saying it's very difficult, the difference 
is usually a difference in their need for specialized styles.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 17:17, Denné Reed wrote:
 I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both
 collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with
 LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking
 etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues
 to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking
 changes are not as good.

 I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which
 insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format
 despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document
 class available. I've also encountered other journals where document
 classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of
 Biogeography)

 For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've
 been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored
 manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R
 code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world
 for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to
 see developed further.

 If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to
 hear them.

 Many thanks,
 Denné

I think if you put together a layout file with ALL the styles your 
collaborators will need, then resistance will crumble. If one needn't make 
his own styles, and yet can still press Ctrl+Y and get a beautifully 
formatted PDF, your collaborators will fall in love.

By the way, that's just how Sams Publishing did it when I was the Main Author 
of Samba Unleashed, using MS Word. Sams gave me a template with all the 
styles, and a 2 page document telling me when to use each style, and it make 
the writing (not the authoring, but the writing) a simple secretarial task. 
It was wonderful.

Just think how much better it would be using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: failures converting to HTML

[Travis]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Travis wrote:
 I tried to add some graphics to my security_concepts paper, but when I try
 to convert to HTML I get:
 
 lyx -e html security_concepts.lyx
 Including LaTeX commands
  Unknown command \batchmode, (0 user-defined) Line 1
  Unknown command \makeatletter, (0 user-defined) Line 2
  Unknown command \makeatother, (1 user-defined) Line 4
  Unknown command \usepackage, (0 user-defined) Line 6
  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parskip = Line 8
  Unknown command \medskipamount, (0 user-defined) Line 8
  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parindent = Line 9
 Segmentation fault
 Error: Cannot convert file
 
 An error occurred whilst running tth  -t -e2 
 -L'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11139zuufC2/lyx_tmpb
 make: *** [security_concepts.html] Error 1
 
 Is there a simple fix for this?  I'd like people to not have to use
 the PDF exclusively.

Also, is there a way to specify alternate stuff for the various output
media types?  I know I've seen that feature in other software...
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numbered environments of section, etc. not working in LyX 1.6 beta4

[Soe Naung]

Hi! all

I have been testing the LyX 1.6 beta4 and I have found that numbered
environments do not respond while unnumbered ones (e.g., section*, etc) do
work. Can someone help me to find a workaround? My beta software has been
compiled on Ubuntu 8.04.

Thanking in advance

Ven. Pandita

Disable line numbering in listing

[bigblop]

I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side. How do I
disable linenumbering?
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Re: Disable line numbering in listing

[Uwe Stöhr]

bigblop schrieb:


I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side.


I can't reproduce this. This works fine in the examples given in section 7 of the EmbeddedObjects 
manual you find in the Help menu of LyX.


regards Uwe

Re: Holy Moly!

[Rudi van der Linde]

Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!

Have you seen my original posts and attempts at un-subscibing?  If
yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were in
alignment with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
moron for speaking out of turn.

Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in 
mind that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do 
anything about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and 
people will assist you if you but ask politely.


I was wondering - do you realise that you have a read request on the 
emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be 
flooded with read confirmation messages because you will receive one 
from each person that reads your abusive messages?


I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a 
long time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in 
mind that the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does 
it get dark when you sit down.


I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was 
just wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  
Please leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.


Rudi

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Re: Holy Moly

[vette0419]

FYI:  I have begun to overtly express my disapproval of the the rude and
vulgar behaviors I have experienced with the LyX group - via the many
well-known public forums.  I firmly believe that the public at large
should always be aware of shady practices by any entity, whether
organizational or corporate in nature.

PS:  I have no further intentions of engaging in any conversation with
any person directly or indirectly related to the LyX group.

Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot 
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.


http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

--
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freelance writer

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 killermike [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201


That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list
yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less
threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've
seen that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

-- 
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http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Jeremy C. Reed]

 That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list 
 yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less 
 threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've seen 
 that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

The LyX developers and mailing list community are very polite and helpful. 
I have participated on the lists for over five years. LyX and its 
community have been very useful for me personally and professionally.

For what it is worth, I do some of my projects in LyX, and some in vi 
using LaTeX or DocBook. It mostly depends on what I am working on or 
working with to decide on the tools/technology.

I recently started exploring S5 for slideshow in browser, but it made my 
firefox very sluggish and I couldn't quickly find a tool (other than vi) 
to create and maintain a slideshow. So I quickly used LyX with Beamer to 
do a 50+ slide presentation on DNSSEC. (I will presenting again in Dallas, 
Texas next week -- let me know if you are in Dallas area.)  LyX lets me 
focus on content and less on formatting and presentation.

Thank you again to the LyX developers and community.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

I find this response quite topical considering the discussions from several 
days ago:

Any replacement for LaTeX that intends to do most of the same things is 
pretty much doomed to be markup language, even if you dump XML pixie dust on 
it. XML after all is just a horrible human unreadable markup language 
itself.

I'm NOT trying to imply that XML wouldn't make the LyX developers' job much 
easier or that we shouldn't go to XML. I'm merely putting this forth as a 
different way of describing the POWERUSER problems created by XML (yes, I'm 
looking in to YAML as an intermediate parsing format).

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out 
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it. 
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one 
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over 
multiple books.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Math Macro

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


rgheck wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:
A paper I'm writing has a googolplex of symbols with an  
\overrightarrow overhead. What would be the best way to make  
these insertions in math mode as quick as possible?


Well, you can shorten \overrightarrow by defining a quick math- 
macro, e.g.:

\newcommand{\ora}[1]{\overrightarrow{#1}}
Remember that you can actually type that into LyX, then highlight  
it, and hit Ctrl-M to declare the macro. And then, if you like,  
you can define a shortcut for this: math-insert \ora is the  
function you would want.


FYI, you can also type 'math-macro ora 1' in the mini-buffer, then  
put the cursor in the first of the two boxes in the created inset  
and type '\#1' (omitting the quotes both times).  The second box is  
irrelevant. Does the same thing as what Richard suggested.


However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key  
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert  
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math  
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea.  
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac.  
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


\Bruce

Re: Holy Moly!

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Rudi van der Linde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!

 Have you seen my original posts and attempts at un-subscibing?  If
 yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were in
 alignment with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
 moron for speaking out of turn.


 Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in mind
 that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do anything
 about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and people will assist
 you if you but ask politely.

 I was wondering - do you realise that you have a read request on the
 emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be flooded
 with read confirmation messages because you will receive one from each
 person that reads your abusive messages?

 I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a long
 time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in mind that
 the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does it get dark
 when you sit down.

 I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was just
 wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  Please
 leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.

 Rudi

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I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
intelligent feedback if something is wrong.

Cheers,
/Bob

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
 The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
 thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

 Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

 LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
 of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
 LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
 book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
 multiple books.


Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?
Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/7/30 Steve Litt[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
multiple books.



Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


That is Steve's opinion :-)

I use LyX for all my writings: letters, invoices, articles, technical 
documents, now also CV, etc.




I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user 
like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the 
ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)


I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to 
learn LateX :-)


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


  Nope. I write letters, articles, reports, and presentations using LyX. Of
course, I did use it to write my book (using Springer's monograph class) and
that's where I really learned LaTeX, too. As I needed the information to do
what I or my editor wanted.


I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles and
I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I edit HTML.
In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it does not translate
well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing capability.


  Learn LyX. Back a decade or so ago when I first started, it took me about
a half-hour to work through the tutorial. Then I started writing using this
tool rather than the word processor. As I came across needs not covered in
the tutorial I looked at the two docs under the 'help' menu and, as a last
resort, asked on this mail list. Bit-by-bit my knowledge of LaTeX increased
and I became much more efficient in my writing.

  A friend of mine had been writing in plain TeX (probably still is) when I
raved about LyX to him as soon as I completed the turorial. He had spent two
weeks writing his daughter's resume in plain TeX and asked if I could -- as
a complete newcomer -- reproduce the output using LyX. A day later I sent
him the results with the .lyx file. He was suitably impressed, but still
stuck with plain TeX. (Of course, his OS was Emacs, and he rarely used a GUI
except under employer duress.)


I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a document,
and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


  Yup. The 'source' is plain text with markup tags.


Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit of
HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend more than
a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take more than a few
good hours


  Which is why you should work through the LyX tutorial right away. It's not
a programming language (although it can be used that way.) There was an
interesting blog to which I was referred by my business partner that
detailed how a Premier Geek wrote code to control a Martian Lander robot
using only TeX. It worked.

Rich

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Re: Math Macro

[Paul A. Rubin]

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. But I 
haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. Do I just 
find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I think 
it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  Tools - 
Preferences - User interface - Bind file will tell you which bind file 
you are currently using (presumably the one you want to hack).  Browse 
should open the directory it lives in (normally LyX 
root/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help - About LyX - User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind ... math-insert \overrightarrow

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.


/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Les Denham]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I use LyX for most writing of any kind.  I find it most useful for writing 
technical reports, where I find on average it reduces the total time I spend 
on the writing by about 50%.  My most recent report, which I finished 
yesterday, was about 70 pages, around 70% figures and the remainder text.  
The figures were in PDF, PNG and AGR format.

A quick check of my project directories shows I have PDF files generated from 
LyX ranging in size from 3 kB to 40 MB -- so I obviously use LyX for 
documents of all sizes.

-- 
Les

~~
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: Math Macro

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. 
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. 
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I 
think it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  
Tools - Preferences - User interface - Bind file will tell you 
which bind file you are currently using (presumably the one you want 
to hack).  Browse should open the directory it lives in (normally LyX 
root/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help - About LyX - User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind ... math-insert \overrightarrow

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.



That all looks right to me.

FYI, 1.6 will have (when it is released, but it does now have in beta) a 
GUI shortcut editor that makes this easier.


rh

Re: Finding Bad characters

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:45:38PM +0200, G. Milde wrote:
 On 25.07.08, Sebastian Rohrer wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have a relatively large lyx document that does not compile. The error  
  message is:
 
  Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the  
  chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.
 
 Actually, changing the encoding to utf8 will most probably *not* help 
 (as utf8 is very limited in the range of supported characters).

Hm?

Andre'

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Dotan Cohen wrote:
  2008/7/30 Steve Litt[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
  The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
  thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
 
  http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201
 
  Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:
 
  LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a
  lot out of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero
  out of it. LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going
  to write one book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the
  payoff has come over multiple books.
 
  Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

 That is Steve's opinion :-)

It *is* more or less my opinion, but Dotan doesn't know that because I didn't 
express that opinion in this thread -- you (Abdel) know it's my opinion from 
other threads.


 I use LyX for all my writings: letters, 

I admit using LyX for over 50% of all my letters -- all my letters to 
senators, congressmen and the president.

 invoices, 

I use plain text for my invoices, and pdfize them with enscript and ps2pdf. 
Plain text is great because it will be readable 100 years from now. Certainly 
TeX and LaTeX have similar advantages.

 articles, 

For an article over 10,000 words, in which I didn't need to do special 
formatting, I'd use LyX too. When I say book, I also mean long document.


 technical   
 documents, 

Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.

 now also CV, etc. 

I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in 
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically 
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article. 
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that 
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word 
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.


  I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
  and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
  edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
  does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
  capability.
 
  I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
  document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?

 Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user
 like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the
 ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.

I see inserting raw LaTeX and tweaking native LyX files as two completely 
different techniques optimized for completely different activities. Here are 
some of the things I do by creating or tweaking native LyX:

1) Personalize (watermark) Ebooks
2) VimOutliner to LyX conversion
3) In my courseware's Instructor Notes, correspond courseware slide numbers to 
the Instructor Note sections. Of course, this could probably have been done 
better with a custom environment with its own counter, but 5 years ago I 
didn't know enough LaTeX to do that, so I cheated and used template tokens 
within my LyX file. This brings up the important point that editing native 
LyX can often give you a quick and dirty solution if you don't have time to 
learn the proper LaTeX now, but you need the document now.
4) Troubleshoot LyX compilation or appearance issues.


  Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
  of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
  more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
  more than a few good hours :)

 I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
 learn LateX :-)

Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how do 
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?

I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what 
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an 
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the 
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Holy Moly!

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:00, Bob Lounsbury wrote:

 I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
 email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
 not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
 intelligent feedback if something is wrong.

 Cheers,
 /Bob

I would really love that. That guy's vitriol is just soo tiring. Sometimes 
on the Internet I have to deal with personality problems, but usually the 
person has some redeeming techology qualities. Nastiness for nastiness's sake 
is something I don't have time for.

86 him from the lists!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

technical
documents,


Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.


I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else 
than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.
Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a 
meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well 
structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)



now also CV, etc.


I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article.
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.


Well, for people like me who didn't change his CV layout for years, the 
modern CV class gave a refreshing look to my CV :-)



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
learn LateX :-)


Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how do
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?


I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.



I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?


Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the 
real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document 
classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do 
is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I 
also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not a 
letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX for 
letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the top 
margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that would 
accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around for that 
(and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in both 
Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the time in LyX 
I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a syllabus, but 
I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations, 
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Denné Reed]

I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both  
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with  
LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking  
etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues  
to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking  
changes are not as good.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which  
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format  
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document  
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document  
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of  
Biogeography)


For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've  
been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored  
manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R  
code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world  
for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to  
see developed further.


If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to  
hear them.


Many thanks,
Denné

Assistant Professor
University of Texas at Austin
Department of Anthropology
1 University Station C3200
Austin TX 78712

phone: (512) 471-7529
fax: (512) 471-6535
web: http://webspace.utexas.edu/dnr266/www


On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor  
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's  
not a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use  
LyX for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in  
both the top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX  
class that would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of  
WordPerfect around for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in  
both Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the  
time in LyX I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a  
syllabus, but I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations,  
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not 
a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX 
for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the 
top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that 
would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around 
for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


It's fairly easy to put together the LaTeX needed to do such stationary. 
I've got a LaTeX package I use for my own letters, and there are so many 
such things around that it's easy to adapt them. Adapting them to LyX is 
of course just a matter of tweaking the relevant layout file.


rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Denné Reed wrote:
I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both 
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with LyX 
/ LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking etc.).


LyX does have change tracking. I've used it. Unfamiliarity is of course 
something we can change. ;-)


Concrete suggestions for how we could improve collaboration would be 
more than welcome. Post them here for comment, or on lyx-devel, and then 
add them to bugzilla once we have some clarity. I know that this is a 
big issue for a lot of people, and it's something a lot of us think 
about. It's way too late to do anything on this score for 1.6, but for 
1.7


I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues to 
purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking 
changes are not as good.


I'm puzzled by this remark. Why does that require Acrobat? Is this for 
notating PDFs and the like? If so, you might want to look into AREnable: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/. And my understanding is that 
there are FOSS pdf viewers on the near horizon that will do this.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which 
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format 
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document 
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document 
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of 
Biogeography)



I think we've all had that frustration.

rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

Steve Litt wrote:
Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.
  
I don't want to come off as someone who is purely defensive of LyX but I 
beg to differ with this point. I write all of my articles in LyX and I 
don't see how it would be easier in OO. Basic HTML output is one of the 
most important things to me when writing articles.


There are things that I wouldn't write in LyX, such as a letter. I try 
to do everything in LyX if I can though. I tell myself that I'm getting 
a bit of extra LyX practice, if nothing else.


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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 16:42, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
  technical
  documents,
 
  Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000
  words long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.

 I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else
 than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.

You're right. Math is best with a TeX based program.

 Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a
 meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well
 structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)

As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY product with which to take notes is 
VimOutliner. It's by far the fastest way to get information from your brain 
to file.

[clip]

  I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
  learn LateX :-)
 
  Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance just so, how
  do you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?

 I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.

  I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and
  what they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including
  an additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you
  get the look you want without being a LaTeX expert?

 Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the
 real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document
 classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do
 is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I
 also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).

This is a huge distinction that should be understood by everyone.

If one is happy with the styles bestowed by the combination of a standard 
LaTeX class and LyX, then LyX is nothing short of a totally robust, perfectly 
typesetting, trivial to use wordprocessor. ALL the work has been done by 
Knuth, Lamport, package designers, document class designers, and the LyX 
developers. It's by far the most productive way to write. If one is satisfied 
with the LyX provided styles, the only rational decision is to use LyX.

If one requires significant additional styles, the situation is not so clear. 
There have been times when I had to work a whole day to make a single style. 
This is not because I'm stupid or because LyX is difficult, but because of 
the nature of LaTeX. Also, there are certain layout looks that I'm not 
capable of creating in LyX, no matter how much time I devote. That could NOT 
have been said of WordPerfect 5.1, with which I could make absolutely any 
style appearance.

So with people like me, it boils down to a tradeoff between LyX's robust, easy 
and aesthetically pleasing authoring, and LyX's difficult and time consuming 
style authoring. For me, that tradeoff falls well on the side of LyX being 
productive.

I think everyone should understand that when you hear one person say LyX is 
trivially easy to use, and another saying it's very difficult, the difference 
is usually a difference in their need for specialized styles.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 17:17, Denné Reed wrote:
 I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both
 collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with
 LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking
 etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues
 to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking
 changes are not as good.

 I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which
 insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format
 despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document
 class available. I've also encountered other journals where document
 classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of
 Biogeography)

 For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've
 been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored
 manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R
 code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world
 for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to
 see developed further.

 If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to
 hear them.

 Many thanks,
 Denné

I think if you put together a layout file with ALL the styles your 
collaborators will need, then resistance will crumble. If one needn't make 
his own styles, and yet can still press Ctrl+Y and get a beautifully 
formatted PDF, your collaborators will fall in love.

By the way, that's just how Sams Publishing did it when I was the Main Author 
of Samba Unleashed, using MS Word. Sams gave me a template with all the 
styles, and a 2 page document telling me when to use each style, and it make 
the writing (not the authoring, but the writing) a simple secretarial task. 
It was wonderful.

Just think how much better it would be using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: failures converting to HTML

[Travis]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Travis wrote:
 I tried to add some graphics to my security_concepts paper, but when I try
 to convert to HTML I get:
 
 lyx -e html security_concepts.lyx
 Including LaTeX commands
  Unknown command \batchmode, (0 user-defined) Line 1
  Unknown command \makeatletter, (0 user-defined) Line 2
  Unknown command \makeatother, (1 user-defined) Line 4
  Unknown command \usepackage, (0 user-defined) Line 6
  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parskip = Line 8
  Unknown command \medskipamount, (0 user-defined) Line 8
  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parindent = Line 9
 Segmentation fault
 Error: Cannot convert file
 
 An error occurred whilst running tth  -t -e2 
 -L'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11139zuufC2/lyx_tmpb
 make: *** [security_concepts.html] Error 1
 
 Is there a simple fix for this?  I'd like people to not have to use
 the PDF exclusively.

Also, is there a way to specify alternate stuff for the various output
media types?  I know I've seen that feature in other software...
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If you are a spammer, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get blacklisted.

numbered environments of section, etc. not working in LyX 1.6 beta4

[Soe Naung]

Hi! all

I have been testing the LyX 1.6 beta4 and I have found that numbered
environments do not respond while unnumbered ones (e.g., section*, etc) do
work. Can someone help me to find a workaround? My beta software has been
compiled on Ubuntu 8.04.

Thanking in advance

Ven. Pandita

Disable line numbering in listing

[bigblop]

I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side. How do I
disable linenumbering?
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Re: Disable line numbering in listing

[Uwe Stöhr]

bigblop schrieb:


I have inserted a few lines of code in a listing environment. I have
right-clicked the Listing tab and made sure that the Line numbering is set
to none. But still the line numbers appear in the left side.


I can't reproduce this. This works fine in the examples given in section 7 of the EmbeddedObjects 
manual you find in the Help menu of LyX.


regards Uwe

Re: Holy Moly!

[Rudi van der Linde]

Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!

Have you seen my original posts and "attempts" at un-subscibing?  If
yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were "in
alignment" with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
moron for speaking out of turn.

Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in 
mind that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do 
anything about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and 
people will assist you if you but ask politely.


I was wondering - do you realise that you have a "read request" on the 
emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be 
flooded with "read confirmation" messages because you will receive one 
from each person that reads your abusive messages?


I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a 
long time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in 
mind that the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does 
it get dark when you sit down.


I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was 
just wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  
Please leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.


Rudi

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Re: Holy Moly

[vette0419]

FYI:  I have begun to overtly express my disapproval of the the rude and
vulgar behaviors I have experienced with the LyX group - via the many
well-known public forums.  I firmly believe that the public at large
should always be aware of shady practices by any entity, whether
organizational or corporate in nature.

PS:  I have no further intentions of engaging in any conversation with
any person directly or indirectly related to the LyX group.

Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot 
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.


http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 killermike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
> thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
>
> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201
>

That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list
yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less
threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've
seen that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

-- 
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Jeremy C. Reed]

> That thread is how I discovered Lyx and why I signed up for the list 
> yesterday. I will now go back to lurking, and I hope to read less 
> threads of the 'holy moly' type. It has been a long time since I've seen 
> that kind of behaviour on a FOSS mailing list.

The LyX developers and mailing list community are very polite and helpful. 
I have participated on the lists for over five years. LyX and its 
community have been very useful for me personally and professionally.

For what it is worth, I do some of my projects in LyX, and some in "vi" 
using LaTeX or DocBook. It mostly depends on what I am working on or 
working with to decide on the tools/technology.

I recently started exploring S5 for slideshow in browser, but it made my 
firefox very sluggish and I couldn't quickly find a tool (other than vi) 
to create and maintain a slideshow. So I quickly used LyX with Beamer to 
do a 50+ slide presentation on DNSSEC. (I will presenting again in Dallas, 
Texas next week -- let me know if you are in Dallas area.)  LyX lets me 
focus on content and less on formatting and presentation.

Thank you again to the LyX developers and community.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
> The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
> thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
>
> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

I find this response quite topical considering the discussions from several 
days ago:

"Any replacement for LaTeX that intends to do most of the same things is 
pretty much doomed to be markup language, even if you dump XML pixie dust on 
it. XML after all is just a horrible human unreadable markup language 
itself."

I'm NOT trying to imply that XML wouldn't make the LyX developers' job much 
easier or that we shouldn't go to XML. I'm merely putting this forth as a 
different way of describing the POWERUSER problems created by XML (yes, I'm 
looking in to YAML as an intermediate parsing format).

SteveT

Steve Litt
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Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
> The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
> thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
>
> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out 
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it. 
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one 
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over 
multiple books.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Math Macro

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


rgheck wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:
A paper I'm writing has a googolplex of symbols with an  
\overrightarrow overhead. What would be the best way to make  
these insertions in math mode as quick as possible?


Well, you can shorten \overrightarrow by defining a quick math- 
macro, e.g.:

\newcommand{\ora}[1]{\overrightarrow{#1}}
Remember that you can actually type that into LyX, then highlight  
it, and hit Ctrl-M to declare the macro. And then, if you like,  
you can define a shortcut for this: "math-insert \ora" is the  
function you would want.


FYI, you can also type 'math-macro ora 1' in the mini-buffer, then  
put the cursor in the first of the two boxes in the created inset  
and type '\#1' (omitting the quotes both times).  The second box is  
irrelevant. Does the same thing as what Richard suggested.


However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key  
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert  
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math  
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea.  
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac.  
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


\Bruce

Re: Holy Moly!

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Rudi van der Linde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Hey, @sshole?  You still breathing?!
>>>
>>> Have you seen my original posts and "attempts" at un-subscibing?  If
>>> yes, then you must be a moron b/c it's clear that my actions were "in
>>> alignment" with the directions.  If you haven't, then, well, you're a
>>> moron for speaking out of turn.
>>>
>
> Its nice to see such _mature_ conversation on the list.  Please keep in mind
> that many people read this list and most of them are not able to do anything
> about your problem.  The instructions are quite clear and people will assist
> you if you but ask politely.
>
> I was wondering - do you realise that you have a "read request" on the
> emails you send to the list?  Do you know that your mailbox will be flooded
> with "read confirmation" messages because you will receive one from each
> person that reads your abusive messages?
>
> I think not.  Else this simple problem would have sorted itself out a long
> time ago without you having to resort to profanity. Please keep in mind that
> the whole world does not revolve around you and neither does it get dark
> when you sit down.
>
> I am pleased to hear that you have been removed from the list.   I was just
> wondering why you would still continue your abuse after the fact.  Please
> leave this community alone and enjoy your existence somewhere else.
>
> Rudi
>
> --
>
> Note:
> This message (and attachments) is subject to restrictions and a disclaimer.
> Please refer to http://www.ansys.co.za/index.html or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
> full details.
>
>


I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
intelligent feedback if something is wrong.

Cheers,
/Bob

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/30 Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
>> The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
>> thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
>>
>> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201
>
> Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:
>
> LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
> of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
> LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
> book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
> multiple books.
>

Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?
Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

-- 
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http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/7/30 Steve Litt<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:

The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201

Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:

LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a lot out
of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero out of it.
LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going to write one
book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the payoff has come over
multiple books.



Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


That is Steve's opinion :-)

I use LyX for all my writings: letters, invoices, articles, technical 
documents, now also CV, etc.




I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
capability.

I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user 
like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the 
ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)


I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to 
learn LateX :-)


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Is LyX only good for writing books, then?


  Nope. I write letters, articles, reports, and presentations using LyX. Of
course, I did use it to write my book (using Springer's monograph class) and
that's where I really learned LaTeX, too. As I needed the information to do
what I or my editor wanted.


I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles and
I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I edit HTML.
In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it does not translate
well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing capability.


  Learn LyX. Back a decade or so ago when I first started, it took me about
a half-hour to work through the tutorial. Then I started writing using this
tool rather than the word processor. As I came across needs not covered in
the tutorial I looked at the two docs under the 'help' menu and, as a last
resort, asked on this mail list. Bit-by-bit my knowledge of LaTeX increased
and I became much more efficient in my writing.

  A friend of mine had been writing in plain TeX (probably still is) when I
raved about LyX to him as soon as I completed the turorial. He had spent two
weeks writing his daughter's resume in plain TeX and asked if I could -- as
a complete newcomer -- reproduce the output using LyX. A day later I sent
him the results with the .lyx file. He was suitably impressed, but still
stuck with plain TeX. (Of course, his OS was Emacs, and he rarely used a GUI
except under employer duress.)


I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a document,
and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?


  Yup. The 'source' is plain text with markup tags.


Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit of
HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend more than
a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take more than a few
good hours


  Which is why you should work through the LyX tutorial right away. It's not
a programming language (although it can be used that way.) There was an
interesting blog to which I was referred by my business partner that
detailed how a Premier Geek wrote code to control a Martian Lander robot
using only TeX. It worked.

Rich

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Re: Math Macro

[Paul A. Rubin]

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. But I 
haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. Do I just 
find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I think 
it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  Tools -> 
Preferences -> User interface -> Bind file will tell you which bind file 
you are currently using (presumably the one you want to hack).  Browse 
should open the directory it lives in (normally root>/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help -> About LyX -> User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind "..." "math-insert \overrightarrow"

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.


/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Les Denham]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Is LyX only good for writing books, then?

I use LyX for most writing of any kind.  I find it most useful for writing 
technical reports, where I find on average it reduces the total time I spend 
on the writing by about 50%.  My most recent report, which I finished 
yesterday, was about 70 pages, around 70% figures and the remainder text.  
The figures were in PDF, PNG and AGR format.

A quick check of my project directories shows I have PDF files generated from 
LyX ranging in size from 3 kB to 40 MB -- so I obviously use LyX for 
documents of all sizes.

-- 
Les

~~
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: Math Macro

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Bruce Pourciau wrote:

However, I'd be tempted to take a different route.  Pick a key 
combination you don't have much use for and bind it to 'math-insert 
\overrightarrow'.  Then whack that key combo while you're in a math 
inset and type whatever your vectorizing under the arrow.


/Paul



Thanks, Richard and Paul. I like the binding key combination idea. 
But I haven't been able to find the steps to do this. I'm on a Mac. 
Do I just find the Mac bind file and edit it?


Disclaimer:  I'm not a Mac user (too left-brained, I guess), but I 
think it works pretty much the same there as on other platforms.  
Tools -> Preferences -> User interface -> Bind file will tell you 
which bind file you are currently using (presumably the one you want 
to hack).  Browse should open the directory it lives in (normally root>/Resources/bind in my experience).  I suggest you copy it to your 
local bind directory (see Help -> About LyX -> User dir to locate the 
parent of the local bind directory).  Open it in whatever the Mac text 
editor is and add


\bind "..." "math-insert \overrightarrow"

at the bottom (replacing ... with whatever key combo you want to use). 
Save and restart LyX.  LyX should automatically take the hacked bind 
file in preference to the original.



That all looks right to me.

FYI, 1.6 will have (when it is released, but it does now have in beta) a 
GUI shortcut editor that makes this easier.


rh

Re: Finding "Bad" characters

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:45:38PM +0200, G. Milde wrote:
> On 25.07.08, Sebastian Rohrer wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
> > I have a relatively large lyx document that does not compile. The error  
> > message is:
> 
> > "Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the  
> > chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help."
> 
> Actually, changing the encoding to utf8 will most probably *not* help 
> (as utf8 is very limited in the range of supported characters).

Hm?

Andre'

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/7/30 Steve Litt<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> On Wednesday 30 July 2008 08:21, killermike wrote:
> >>> The original question that starts is poorly conceived but this Slashdot
> >>> thread brings up quite a lot of references to LyX in the comments.
> >>>
> >>> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/29/0039201
> >>
> >> Having read most of the responses, they can all be summed up thusly:
> >>
> >> LaTeX (and LyX) is a committment. If you put a lot into it, you get a
> >> lot out of it. If you put very little into it, you get less than zero
> >> out of it. LaTeX (and LyX) isn't for everyone. IMHO if you're only going
> >> to write one book, it's not worth learning LaTeX or LyX. For me, the
> >> payoff has come over multiple books.
> >
> > Is LyX only good for writing books, then?
>
> That is Steve's opinion :-)

It *is* more or less my opinion, but Dotan doesn't know that because I didn't 
express that opinion in this thread -- you (Abdel) know it's my opinion from 
other threads.

>
> I use LyX for all my writings: letters, 

I admit using LyX for over 50% of all my letters -- all my letters to 
senators, congressmen and the president.

> invoices, 

I use plain text for my invoices, and pdfize them with enscript and ps2pdf. 
Plain text is great because it will be readable 100 years from now. Certainly 
TeX and LaTeX have similar advantages.

> articles, 

For an article over 10,000 words, in which I didn't need to do special 
formatting, I'd use LyX too. When I say "book", I also mean "long document".


> technical   
> documents, 

Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.

> now also CV, etc. 

I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in 
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically 
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article. 
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that 
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word 
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.

>
> > I am currently an OOo Writer user. I am always frustrated with styles
> > and I wish that I could just edit the source of the document like I
> > edit HTML. In fact, I have often considered just using HTML but it
> > does not translate well to PDF, and there is no good equations editing
> > capability.
> >
> > I understood from the /. post that LyX would let me work with a
> > document, and edit the source where I see necessary. Is this not so?
>
> Yes, this is possible but not really recommended. Although power user
> like Steeve do it. A better alternative to editing .lyx format is the
> ability to insert raw LateX directly from the LyX window.

I see inserting raw LaTeX and tweaking native LyX files as two completely 
different techniques optimized for completely different activities. Here are 
some of the things I do by creating or tweaking native LyX:

1) "Personalize" (watermark) Ebooks
2) VimOutliner to LyX conversion
3) In my courseware's Instructor Notes, correspond courseware slide numbers to 
the Instructor Note sections. Of course, this could probably have been done 
better with a custom environment with its own counter, but 5 years ago I 
didn't know enough LaTeX to do that, so I "cheated" and used template tokens 
within my LyX file. This brings up the important point that editing native 
LyX can often give you a quick and dirty solution if you don't have time to 
learn the proper LaTeX now, but you need the document now.
4) Troubleshoot LyX compilation or appearance issues.

>
> > Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
> > of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
> > more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
> > more than a few good hours :)
>
> I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
> learn LateX :-)

Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance "just so", how do 
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?

I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what 
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an 
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the 
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
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Re: Holy Moly!

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:00, Bob Lounsbury wrote:

> I say we just treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and block his
> email from all LyX mailing lists. Obviously, the emailer is a robot,
> not capable of reading or following instructions or providing
> intelligent feedback if something is wrong.
>
> Cheers,
> /Bob

I would really love that. That guy's vitriol is just soo tiring. Sometimes 
on the Internet I have to deal with personality problems, but usually the 
person has some redeeming techology qualities. Nastiness for nastiness's sake 
is something I don't have time for.

86 him from the lists!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

technical
documents,


Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.


I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else 
than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.
Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a 
meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well 
structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)



now also CV, etc.


I wouldn't use LyX for resumes. Fine-tuned layout is very important in
resumes, because they need to be 1 page or 2 pages, and aesthetically
pleasing. A resume is much more like an advertisement than like an article.
In advertisements, putting this block of text just in this place with that
font is essential. IMHO the tool to use for resumes is OO Writer or MS Word
or even Inkscape or Gimp, but not LyX, LaTeX or TeX.


Well, for people like me who didn't change his CV layout for years, the 
modern CV class gave a refreshing look to my CV :-)



Although I have invested in learning a bit of PHP, a bit of C, a bit
of HTML/CSS, etc, I don't have the resources at the moment to spend
more than a few hours learning a new tool. And full LaTeX will take
more than a few good hours :)

I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
learn LateX :-)


Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance "just so", how do
you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?


I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.



I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and what
they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including an
additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you get the
look you want without being a LaTeX expert?


Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the 
real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document 
classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do 
is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I 
also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).


Abdel.

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not a 
letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX for 
letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the top 
margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that would 
accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around for that 
(and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in both 
Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the time in LyX 
I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a syllabus, but 
I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations, 
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Denné Reed]

I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both  
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with  
LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking  
etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues  
to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking  
changes are not as good.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which  
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format  
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document  
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document  
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of  
Biogeography)


For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've  
been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored  
manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R  
code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world  
for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to  
see developed further.


If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to  
hear them.


Many thanks,
Denné

Assistant Professor
University of Texas at Austin
Department of Anthropology
1 University Station C3200
Austin TX 78712

phone: (512) 471-7529
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On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor  
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's  
not a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use  
LyX for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in  
both the top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX  
class that would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of  
WordPerfect around for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


I haven't tried typing math in Open Office, but the math editors in  
both Word and WP would drive me nuts at this point.  Most of the  
time in LyX I'm doing an article, a presentation or something like a  
syllabus, but I've moved my CV to LyX as well.


IMHO, LyX + Beamer is a tough act to beat for presentations,  
particularly if you're putting in math.


My $0.02 (0.1 euros at current conversion rates).

/Paul

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
FWIW, my rule of thumb is that if it's not a job for a text editor 
(NoteTab Light or Notepad++ on Windows, GEdit on Ubuntu), and it's not 
a letter, then it's a job for LyX.  The only reason I don't use LyX 
for letters is that our office stationary has boilerplate in both the 
top margin and the left margin, and I've yet to see a LaTeX class that 
would accommodate both.  So I keep a rusty copy of WordPerfect around 
for that (and for opening old WP files, of course).


It's fairly easy to put together the LaTeX needed to do such stationary. 
I've got a LaTeX package I use for my own letters, and there are so many 
such things around that it's easy to adapt them. Adapting them to LyX is 
of course just a matter of tweaking the relevant layout file.


rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[rgheck]

Denné Reed wrote:
I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both 
collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with LyX 
/ LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking etc.).


LyX does have change tracking. I've used it. Unfamiliarity is of course 
something we can change. ;-)


Concrete suggestions for how we could improve collaboration would be 
more than welcome. Post them here for comment, or on lyx-devel, and then 
add them to bugzilla once we have some clarity. I know that this is a 
big issue for a lot of people, and it's something a lot of us think 
about. It's way too late to do anything on this score for 1.6, but for 
1.7


I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues to 
purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking 
changes are not as good.


I'm puzzled by this remark. Why does that require Acrobat? Is this for 
notating PDFs and the like? If so, you might want to look into AREnable: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/. And my understanding is that 
there are FOSS pdf viewers on the near horizon that will do this.


I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which 
insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format 
despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document 
class available. I've also encountered other journals where document 
classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of 
Biogeography)



I think we've all had that frustration.

rh

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[killermike]

Steve Litt wrote:
Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000 words 
long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.
  
I don't want to come off as someone who is purely defensive of LyX but I 
beg to differ with this point. I write all of my articles in LyX and I 
don't see how it would be easier in OO. Basic HTML output is one of the 
most important things to me when writing articles.


There are things that I wouldn't write in LyX, such as a letter. I try 
to do everything in LyX if I can though. I tell myself that I'm getting 
a bit of extra LyX "practice", if nothing else.


--
http://www.unmusic.co.uk Michael Reed -- technology, gender, and geek culture 
freelance writer

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 16:42, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:24, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> >> technical
> >> documents,
> >
> > Again, a great application for LyX assuming the tech doc is over 10,000
> > words long. Shorter docs are easier in quick and dirty OO.
>
> I beg to differ, quite strongly. The moment you write something else
> than text (e.g. math). You just can't beat LyX.

You're right. Math is best with a TeX based program.

> Oh and I also use LyX for taking note when I am at a conference or in a
> meeting. I am so used to LyX typing that my notes look nice and well
> structured from the very beginning, nicer than if I hand-write them :-)

As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY product with which to take notes is 
VimOutliner. It's by far the fastest way to get information from your brain 
to file.

[clip]

> >> I've been a LyX user for more than 10 years and I never took the time to
> >> learn LateX :-)
> >
> > Abdel -- when you need to get an environment's appearance "just so", how
> > do you do it without LaTeX? How do you make new environments?
>
> I don't :-) I almost never have strong idea of what appearance should be.
>
> > I think I know. There are people who know hundreds of LaTeX packages and
> > what they do, so they can accomplish any kind of look just by including
> > an additional package and using it correctly. Abdel -- is that how you
> > get the look you want without being a LaTeX expert?
>
> Not really. OK, I know more or less my way around some packages but the
> real answer is that I am pretty satisfied with LyX official document
> classes. _I_ don't feel the need to tweak them. The bigger tweaking I do
> is adding vertical space, horizontal space or page break, that's all. I
> also do use characters style now (the 1.6 incarnation of it).

This is a huge distinction that should be understood by everyone.

If one is happy with the styles bestowed by the combination of a standard 
LaTeX class and LyX, then LyX is nothing short of a totally robust, perfectly 
typesetting, trivial to use wordprocessor. ALL the work has been done by 
Knuth, Lamport, package designers, document class designers, and the LyX 
developers. It's by far the most productive way to write. If one is satisfied 
with the LyX provided styles, the only rational decision is to use LyX.

If one requires significant additional styles, the situation is not so clear. 
There have been times when I had to work a whole day to make a single style. 
This is not because I'm stupid or because LyX is difficult, but because of 
the nature of LaTeX. Also, there are certain layout looks that I'm not 
capable of creating in LyX, no matter how much time I devote. That could NOT 
have been said of WordPerfect 5.1, with which I could make absolutely any 
style appearance.

So with people like me, it boils down to a tradeoff between LyX's robust, easy 
and aesthetically pleasing authoring, and LyX's difficult and time consuming 
style authoring. For me, that tradeoff falls well on the side of LyX being 
productive.

I think everyone should understand that when you hear one person say LyX is 
trivially easy to use, and another saying it's very difficult, the difference 
is usually a difference in their need for specialized styles.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Interesting thread on Slashdot

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 17:17, Denné Reed wrote:
> I use LyX for scientific papers but have had problems with both
> collaborators and editors. Many collaborators are unfamiliar with
> LyX / LaTeX and it lacks strong collaboration tools (change tracking
> etc.). I've tried sharing drafts with PDF but that requires colleagues
> to purchase full versions of Acrobat, and still the tools are tracking
> changes are not as good.
>
> I've also had problems with journal and book editors, one of which
> insisted I convert a book chapter written in LyX into Word format
> despite the fact that the publisher  (Elsevier) has a LaTeX document
> class available. I've also encountered other journals where document
> classes are not available (e.g. I've not found one for Journal of
> Biogeography)
>
> For these reasons I'm tempted to try Scientific Word, but so far I've
> been put off by the price. I love LyX and use it for single authored
> manuscripts whenever I can.  I also think that the ability to embed R
> code and data into LyX documents with Sweave opens a whole new world
> for scientific transparency and reproducibility that I would like to
> see developed further.
>
> If the list has suggestions for some of the concerns above I'd love to
> hear them.
>
> Many thanks,
> Denné

I think if you put together a layout file with ALL the styles your 
collaborators will need, then resistance will crumble. If one needn't make 
his own styles, and yet can still press Ctrl+Y and get a beautifully 
formatted PDF, your collaborators will fall in love.

By the way, that's just how Sams Publishing did it when I was the Main Author 
of Samba Unleashed, using MS Word. Sams gave me a template with all the 
styles, and a 2 page document telling me when to use each style, and it make 
the writing (not the authoring, but the writing) a simple secretarial task. 
It was wonderful.

Just think how much better it would be using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: failures converting to HTML

[Travis]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Travis wrote:
> I tried to add some graphics to my security_concepts paper, but when I try
> to convert to HTML I get:
> 
> lyx -e html security_concepts.lyx
> Including LaTeX commands
>  Unknown command \batchmode, (0 user-defined) Line 1
>  Unknown command \makeatletter, (0 user-defined) Line 2
>  Unknown command \makeatother, (1 user-defined) Line 4
>  Unknown command \usepackage, (0 user-defined) Line 6
>  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parskip = Line 8
>  Unknown command \medskipamount, (0 user-defined) Line 8
>  Unknown parameter/dimension/glue command \parindent = Line 9
> Segmentation fault
> Error: Cannot convert file
> 
> An error occurred whilst running tth  -t -e2 
> -L'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11139zuufC2/lyx_tmpb
> make: *** [security_concepts.html] Error 1
> 
> Is there a simple fix for this?  I'd like people to not have to use
> the PDF exclusively.

Also, is there a way to specify alternate stuff for the various output
media types?  I know I've seen that feature in other software...
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numbered environments of section, etc. not working in LyX 1.6 beta4

[Soe Naung]

Hi! all

I have been testing the LyX 1.6 beta4 and I have found that numbered
environments do not respond while unnumbered ones (e.g., "section*", etc) do
work. Can someone help me to find a workaround? My beta software has been
compiled on Ubuntu 8.04.

Thanking in advance

Ven. Pandita