Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-09-11, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 09/11/2011 03:14 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

 The man page shows the --export option but fails to list all the
 possible values for fmt. I'd like to see that list added to the man
 page.

 Impossible, since what formats are available depends upon what
 converters you have installed. 

However, we could list the internal export options (pdflatex, latex,
xetex, HTML) as core export options.


 Maybe there should, though, be a command
 line option that would give you a list of these. Easy to implement.

Yes

Günter

Capitalisation in paper citations

[ider ronneberger]

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography list. 
Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even though it is in 
the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person in the title which 
should begin with a capital letter which is however printed in small letters.
I cannot find the reason for this behaviour. Can someone help me?

Regards,

Ider

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[PhilipPirrip]

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.
Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.

Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
probably not searching the right places:

[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
be able to produce correct output.

Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
from ubuntu 11.04.)

Kind Regards,
Bjorn

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:27 PM, PhilipPirrip wrote:

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.

That is to say: Some (even many) of the standard bibliography styles 
de-capitalize everything for you, automatically. There, you have to do this:



Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.


with anything that shouldn't be de-capitalized.

In general, I think it's a good idea to use capitalized style for 
everything in the bib file, and let the bib style sort it out. Then if 
you run into a publisher that wants caps, you just have to change the style.


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Rob Oakes]

 Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
 LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.

The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am 
probably not searching the right places:


[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass 
with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce 
correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be 
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX 
will not be able to produce correct output.


Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default 
install from ubuntu 11.04.)


Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation. 
First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically 
at /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out 
where the system directory is meant to be.


The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being 
found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but 
is apparently corrupt.


I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't 
already done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.


Richard

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 12:28:46 PM Bjorn Madsen wrote:
 Hello there,
 I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but
 am probably not searching the right places:
 
 [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default
 textclass with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able
 to produce correct output [2] Due to some error in it, the layout
 file: AGU-article could not be loaded. A default textclass with
 defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce
 correct output.
 
 Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default
 install from ubuntu 11.04.)
 
 Kind Regards,
 Bjorn

Hi Bjorn,

I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
perfectly.

My solution is consistent with the advice given by the LyX mailing 
list, which is that Ubuntu 11.04 ships with an incomplete LyX 
guaranteed to screw up.

Hope this helps.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 01:10:07 PM Rob Oakes wrote:
  Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting
  with LyX's internal XHTML export.
 
 Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a
 fantastic job for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). 

Because my book was planned and built from the ground up to be a flow-
text eBook on small reading devices, my book is incredibly plain-
vanilla. To the point where I use all caps instead of emphasis. The 
most complicated thing I use is enumerate and itemize.

 But
 there are a couple of sticking points that aren't quite as
 polished yet (mostly due to limitations in the current ePub).
 
 Specifically:
 
 EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how
 eLyXer handles them. 

I can't say, because I had no endnotes or footnotes. My thought 
pattern is even if I could make an eBook work with these, they might 
screw up on the target devices.


 I've written some preliminary support into
 the branch of LyX I hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline).
 When specified, it converts FootNotes to EndNotes and places them
 at the end of the file with a link. I'd be interested in other
 strategies for dealing with the content.

My strategy has been to phrase my content so that footnotes aren't 
necessary. It's not always easy. Footnotes sure are handy when you 
make an important point in a short sentence, but want to make 
available to the reader the theory behind, for those readers who 
want more. Instead, I found other ways of writing the material.
 
 The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and
 downsizing images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and
 Print from the same copy. 

My book has no images, in order to make things easy. But I anticipate 
future books requiring images, and when that time comes it will be 
nice if my conversion process does them right. Thank you!

 Right now, I've been doing that via
 branches. (With slightly different layouts for both.) But this
 results in some duplicated text, which I consider to be a bad
 thing.
 
 Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right
 into LyX.  We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just
 need to add a UI to it.

Native ePub output would be incredibly studly, always assuming it's 
constructed in such a way to be non-garbage input for Kindle, iPad and 
Nook books.

When LyX has ePub output suitable for input to Kindle, iPad and Nook, 
I can probably get a whole bunch of new LyX users, because LyX is 
probably the best for authoring flowable text eBooks. You know, the 
main disadvantage of LyX is how difficult it is to make new styles 
(environment and character styles), but with flowable text eBooks the 
need for additional styles is negligable, so in my opinion LyX is 
actually a better tool for flowable text eBooks than it is for 
print/pdf books, and I've been using LyX for print/pdf books for 9.8 
years.

 
 Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side
 projects, but it's something that I'm definitely working on.

The real world! Can't live with it, can't live without it. Thank you, 
and every other LyX developer, for making this fantastic authoring 
tool!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello Richard,
I tried to do a re-install from the Ubuntu Software Centre with all packages
enabled. It didn't help.

As I have another installation on my laptop that works (same ubuntu
installation), and have done a dryrun rsync between them checking the
/usr/share/lyx/ and /bjorn/.lyx as you mentioned below:
*You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out where the system directory is
meant to be.*

I found that several files were missing, so I rsync'ed them from the laptop
to the desktop. Here are the culprits:

:~$ rsync -rav 192.168.0.3:/home/bjorn/.lyx/ /home/bjorn/.lyx
receiving incremental file list
./
configure.log
lyxmodules.lst
lyxrc.defaults
packages.lst
session
textclass.lst
bind/
cache/
cache/index
clipart/
doc/
examples/
images/
kbd/
layouts/
scripts/
templates/
ui/

sent 593 bytes  received 78216 bytes  52539.33 bytes/sec
total size is 77642  speedup is 0.99
*
*
*And now lyx works!! -Thank you very much!*

On 12 September 2011 18:23, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:

 Hello there,
 I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
 probably not searching the right places:

 [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
 default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
 [2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
 loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
 be able to produce correct output.

 Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
 from ubuntu 11.04.)

  Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation.
 First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically at
 /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out where
 the system directory is meant to be.

 The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being
 found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but is
 apparently corrupt.

 I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't already
 done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.

 Richard




-- 
Bjorn Madsen
*Researcher Complex Systems Research*
Ph.: (+44) 0 7792 030 720 Ph.2: (+44) 0 1767 220 828
bjorn.mad...@operationsresearchgroup.com

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 01:10 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.
Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but 
had footnotes styled with things like float: right;, rather than with 
the appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, 
as we discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.



The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.
I'll see if I can't sort out the footnote issue at some point. Last I 
thought about it, it didn't seem as hard as I'd thought, since we do 
have a list of all the footnotes in the TOC


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but had
 footnotes styled with things like float: right;, rather than with the
 appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, as we
 discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.

Actually, with eLyXer you can choose several styles for your footnotes:
  - hover, where the footnote appears when you place the pointer over them;
  - margin, where they appear on the right;
  - and end, where they are deferred to the end.
They can be combined so footnotes appear at several places.

Allow me to refer you to the relevant section of the user guide:
  http://elyxer.nongnu.org/userguide.html#sub:Footnotes

Alex.

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Paul Rubin]

Steve Litt slitt at troubleshooters.com writes:


 
 I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
 In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
 through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
 then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
 Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
 concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
 do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
 perfectly.

If, like me, you are averse to Adventures in Dependencies (and like to use
Synaptic), you can find a DEB package for LyX 2.0.1 at
http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/11.04/?q=lyx.  Works fine for me.

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-09-11, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 09/11/2011 03:14 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

 The man page shows the --export option but fails to list all the
 possible values for fmt. I'd like to see that list added to the man
 page.

 Impossible, since what formats are available depends upon what
 converters you have installed. 

However, we could list the internal export options (pdflatex, latex,
xetex, HTML) as core export options.


 Maybe there should, though, be a command
 line option that would give you a list of these. Easy to implement.

Yes

Günter

Capitalisation in paper citations

[ider ronneberger]

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography list. 
Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even though it is in 
the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person in the title which 
should begin with a capital letter which is however printed in small letters.
I cannot find the reason for this behaviour. Can someone help me?

Regards,

Ider

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[PhilipPirrip]

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.
Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.

Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
probably not searching the right places:

[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
be able to produce correct output.

Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
from ubuntu 11.04.)

Kind Regards,
Bjorn

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:27 PM, PhilipPirrip wrote:

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.

That is to say: Some (even many) of the standard bibliography styles 
de-capitalize everything for you, automatically. There, you have to do this:



Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.


with anything that shouldn't be de-capitalized.

In general, I think it's a good idea to use capitalized style for 
everything in the bib file, and let the bib style sort it out. Then if 
you run into a publisher that wants caps, you just have to change the style.


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Rob Oakes]

 Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
 LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.

The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am 
probably not searching the right places:


[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass 
with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce 
correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be 
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX 
will not be able to produce correct output.


Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default 
install from ubuntu 11.04.)


Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation. 
First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically 
at /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out 
where the system directory is meant to be.


The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being 
found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but 
is apparently corrupt.


I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't 
already done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.


Richard

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 12:28:46 PM Bjorn Madsen wrote:
 Hello there,
 I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but
 am probably not searching the right places:
 
 [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default
 textclass with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able
 to produce correct output [2] Due to some error in it, the layout
 file: AGU-article could not be loaded. A default textclass with
 defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce
 correct output.
 
 Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default
 install from ubuntu 11.04.)
 
 Kind Regards,
 Bjorn

Hi Bjorn,

I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
perfectly.

My solution is consistent with the advice given by the LyX mailing 
list, which is that Ubuntu 11.04 ships with an incomplete LyX 
guaranteed to screw up.

Hope this helps.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 01:10:07 PM Rob Oakes wrote:
  Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting
  with LyX's internal XHTML export.
 
 Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a
 fantastic job for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). 

Because my book was planned and built from the ground up to be a flow-
text eBook on small reading devices, my book is incredibly plain-
vanilla. To the point where I use all caps instead of emphasis. The 
most complicated thing I use is enumerate and itemize.

 But
 there are a couple of sticking points that aren't quite as
 polished yet (mostly due to limitations in the current ePub).
 
 Specifically:
 
 EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how
 eLyXer handles them. 

I can't say, because I had no endnotes or footnotes. My thought 
pattern is even if I could make an eBook work with these, they might 
screw up on the target devices.


 I've written some preliminary support into
 the branch of LyX I hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline).
 When specified, it converts FootNotes to EndNotes and places them
 at the end of the file with a link. I'd be interested in other
 strategies for dealing with the content.

My strategy has been to phrase my content so that footnotes aren't 
necessary. It's not always easy. Footnotes sure are handy when you 
make an important point in a short sentence, but want to make 
available to the reader the theory behind, for those readers who 
want more. Instead, I found other ways of writing the material.
 
 The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and
 downsizing images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and
 Print from the same copy. 

My book has no images, in order to make things easy. But I anticipate 
future books requiring images, and when that time comes it will be 
nice if my conversion process does them right. Thank you!

 Right now, I've been doing that via
 branches. (With slightly different layouts for both.) But this
 results in some duplicated text, which I consider to be a bad
 thing.
 
 Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right
 into LyX.  We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just
 need to add a UI to it.

Native ePub output would be incredibly studly, always assuming it's 
constructed in such a way to be non-garbage input for Kindle, iPad and 
Nook books.

When LyX has ePub output suitable for input to Kindle, iPad and Nook, 
I can probably get a whole bunch of new LyX users, because LyX is 
probably the best for authoring flowable text eBooks. You know, the 
main disadvantage of LyX is how difficult it is to make new styles 
(environment and character styles), but with flowable text eBooks the 
need for additional styles is negligable, so in my opinion LyX is 
actually a better tool for flowable text eBooks than it is for 
print/pdf books, and I've been using LyX for print/pdf books for 9.8 
years.

 
 Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side
 projects, but it's something that I'm definitely working on.

The real world! Can't live with it, can't live without it. Thank you, 
and every other LyX developer, for making this fantastic authoring 
tool!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello Richard,
I tried to do a re-install from the Ubuntu Software Centre with all packages
enabled. It didn't help.

As I have another installation on my laptop that works (same ubuntu
installation), and have done a dryrun rsync between them checking the
/usr/share/lyx/ and /bjorn/.lyx as you mentioned below:
*You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out where the system directory is
meant to be.*

I found that several files were missing, so I rsync'ed them from the laptop
to the desktop. Here are the culprits:

:~$ rsync -rav 192.168.0.3:/home/bjorn/.lyx/ /home/bjorn/.lyx
receiving incremental file list
./
configure.log
lyxmodules.lst
lyxrc.defaults
packages.lst
session
textclass.lst
bind/
cache/
cache/index
clipart/
doc/
examples/
images/
kbd/
layouts/
scripts/
templates/
ui/

sent 593 bytes  received 78216 bytes  52539.33 bytes/sec
total size is 77642  speedup is 0.99
*
*
*And now lyx works!! -Thank you very much!*

On 12 September 2011 18:23, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:

 Hello there,
 I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
 probably not searching the right places:

 [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
 default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
 [2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
 loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
 be able to produce correct output.

 Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
 from ubuntu 11.04.)

  Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation.
 First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically at
 /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at HelpAbout LyX to find out where
 the system directory is meant to be.

 The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being
 found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but is
 apparently corrupt.

 I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't already
 done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.

 Richard




-- 
Bjorn Madsen
*Researcher Complex Systems Research*
Ph.: (+44) 0 7792 030 720 Ph.2: (+44) 0 1767 220 828
bjorn.mad...@operationsresearchgroup.com

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 01:10 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.
Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but 
had footnotes styled with things like float: right;, rather than with 
the appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, 
as we discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.



The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.
I'll see if I can't sort out the footnote issue at some point. Last I 
thought about it, it didn't seem as hard as I'd thought, since we do 
have a list of all the footnotes in the TOC


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but had
 footnotes styled with things like float: right;, rather than with the
 appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, as we
 discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.

Actually, with eLyXer you can choose several styles for your footnotes:
  - hover, where the footnote appears when you place the pointer over them;
  - margin, where they appear on the right;
  - and end, where they are deferred to the end.
They can be combined so footnotes appear at several places.

Allow me to refer you to the relevant section of the user guide:
  http://elyxer.nongnu.org/userguide.html#sub:Footnotes

Alex.

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Paul Rubin]

Steve Litt slitt at troubleshooters.com writes:


 
 I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
 In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
 through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
 then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
 Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
 concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
 do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
 perfectly.

If, like me, you are averse to Adventures in Dependencies (and like to use
Synaptic), you can find a DEB package for LyX 2.0.1 at
http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/11.04/?q=lyx.  Works fine for me.

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-09-11, Richard Heck wrote:
> On 09/11/2011 03:14 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

>> The man page shows the --export option but fails to list all the
>> possible values for fmt. I'd like to see that list added to the man
>> page.

> Impossible, since what formats are available depends upon what
> converters you have installed. 

However, we could list the "internal" export options (pdflatex, latex,
xetex, HTML) as "core export options".


> Maybe there should, though, be a command
> line option that would give you a list of these. Easy to implement.

Yes

Günter

Capitalisation in paper citations

[ider ronneberger]

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography list. 
Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even though it is in 
the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person in the title which 
should begin with a capital letter which is however printed in small letters.
I cannot find the reason for this behaviour. Can someone help me?

Regards,

Ider

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[PhilipPirrip]

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.
Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.

Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
probably not searching the right places:

[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
be able to produce correct output.

Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
from ubuntu 11.04.)

Kind Regards,
Bjorn

Re: Capitalisation in paper citations

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:27 PM, PhilipPirrip wrote:

On 09/12/2011 06:16 PM, ider ronneberger wrote:

Hello, Lyx users,

I have a little problem concerning the Latex output of my bibliography
list. Some words in the title of papers appear not capitalised even
though it is in the bibtex file. For example there is a name of a person
in the title which should begin with a capital letter which is however
printed in small letters.



It's because of the bib style you're using, nothing related to LyX.

That is to say: Some (even many) of the standard bibliography styles 
de-capitalize everything for you, automatically. There, you have to do this:



Try protecting those characters with {}, like in:
The way to win {N}obel prize.


with anything that shouldn't be de-capitalized.

In general, I think it's a good idea to use capitalized style for 
everything in the bib file, and let the bib style sort it out. Then if 
you run into a publisher that wants caps, you just have to change the style.


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Rob Oakes]

> Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
> LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.

The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:

Hello there,
I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am 
probably not searching the right places:


[1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass 
with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce 
correct output
[2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be 
loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX 
will not be able to produce correct output.


Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default 
install from ubuntu 11.04.)


Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation. 
First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically 
at /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at Help>About LyX to find out 
where the system directory is meant to be.


The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being 
found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but 
is apparently corrupt.


I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't 
already done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.


Richard

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 12:28:46 PM Bjorn Madsen wrote:
> Hello there,
> I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but
> am probably not searching the right places:
> 
> [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default
> textclass with default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able
> to produce correct output [2] Due to some error in it, the layout
> file: AGU-article could not be loaded. A default textclass with
> defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce
> correct output.
> 
> Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default
> install from ubuntu 11.04.)
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Bjorn

Hi Bjorn,

I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
perfectly.

My solution is consistent with the advice given by the LyX mailing 
list, which is that Ubuntu 11.04 ships with an incomplete LyX 
guaranteed to screw up.

Hope this helps.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Steve Litt]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 01:10:07 PM Rob Oakes wrote:
> > Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting
> > with LyX's internal XHTML export.
> 
> Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a
> fantastic job for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). 

Because my book was planned and built from the ground up to be a flow-
text eBook on small reading devices, my book is incredibly plain-
vanilla. To the point where I use all caps instead of emphasis. The 
most complicated thing I use is enumerate and itemize.

> But
> there are a couple of sticking points that aren't quite as
> polished yet (mostly due to limitations in the current ePub).
> 
> Specifically:
> 
> EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how
> eLyXer handles them. 

I can't say, because I had no endnotes or footnotes. My thought 
pattern is even if I could make an eBook work with these, they might 
screw up on the target devices.


> I've written some preliminary support into
> the branch of LyX I hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline).
> When specified, it converts FootNotes to EndNotes and places them
> at the end of the file with a link. I'd be interested in other
> strategies for dealing with the content.

My strategy has been to phrase my content so that footnotes aren't 
necessary. It's not always easy. Footnotes sure are handy when you 
make an important point in a short sentence, but want to make 
available to the reader "the theory behind", for those readers who 
want more. Instead, I found other ways of writing the material.
> 
> The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and
> downsizing images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and
> Print from the same copy. 

My book has no images, in order to make things easy. But I anticipate 
future books requiring images, and when that time comes it will be 
nice if my conversion process does them right. Thank you!

> Right now, I've been doing that via
> branches. (With slightly different layouts for both.) But this
> results in some duplicated text, which I consider to be a bad
> thing.
> 
> Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right
> into LyX.  We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just
> need to add a UI to it.

Native ePub output would be incredibly studly, always assuming it's 
constructed in such a way to be non-garbage input for Kindle, iPad and 
Nook books.

When LyX has ePub output suitable for input to Kindle, iPad and Nook, 
I can probably get a whole bunch of new LyX users, because LyX is 
probably the best for authoring flowable text eBooks. You know, the 
main disadvantage of LyX is how difficult it is to make new styles 
(environment and character styles), but with flowable text eBooks the 
need for additional styles is negligable, so in my opinion LyX is 
actually a better tool for flowable text eBooks than it is for 
print/pdf books, and I've been using LyX for print/pdf books for 9.8 
years.

> 
> Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side
> projects, but it's something that I'm definitely working on.

The real world! Can't live with it, can't live without it. Thank you, 
and every other LyX developer, for making this fantastic authoring 
tool!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Bjorn Madsen]

Hello Richard,
I tried to do a re-install from the Ubuntu Software Centre with all packages
enabled. It didn't help.

As I have another installation on my laptop that works (same ubuntu
installation), and have done a dryrun rsync between them checking the
/usr/share/lyx/ and /bjorn/.lyx as you mentioned below:
*You can look at Help>About LyX to find out where the system directory is
meant to be.*

I found that several files were missing, so I rsync'ed them from the laptop
to the desktop. Here are the culprits:

:~$ rsync -rav 192.168.0.3:/home/bjorn/.lyx/ /home/bjorn/.lyx
receiving incremental file list
./
configure.log
lyxmodules.lst
lyxrc.defaults
packages.lst
session
textclass.lst
bind/
cache/
cache/index
clipart/
doc/
examples/
images/
kbd/
layouts/
scripts/
templates/
ui/

sent 593 bytes  received 78216 bytes  52539.33 bytes/sec
total size is 77642  speedup is 0.99
*
*
*And now lyx works!! -Thank you very much!*

On 12 September 2011 18:23, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 09/12/2011 12:28 PM, Bjorn Madsen wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>> I'm a new user and have googled an error message I am receiving but am
>> probably not searching the right places:
>>
>> [1] The layout file: article could not be found. A default textclass with
>> default layouts will be used. LyX will not be able to produce correct output
>> [2] Due to some error in it, the layout file: AGU-article could not be
>> loaded. A default textclass with defailt layouts will be used. LyX will not
>> be able to produce correct output.
>>
>> Does anyone have a hint for getting it fixed? (LyX 2.0.0 default install
>> from ubuntu 11.04.)
>>
>>  Both errors are puzzling. Something is wrong with the installation.
> First, the article.layout file should be installed with LyX, typically at
> /usr/share/lyx/layouts/. You can look at Help>About LyX to find out where
> the system directory is meant to be.
>
> The other case is weirder, in a way, since the layout file is being
> found---it's surprising that it is there if article.layout is not---but is
> apparently corrupt.
>
> I'd suggest you uninstall LyX and try reinstalling, if you haven't already
> done so. If you have, then we'll try something else.
>
> Richard
>
>


-- 
Bjorn Madsen
*Researcher Complex Systems Research*
Ph.: (+44) 0 7792 030 720 Ph.2: (+44) 0 1767 220 828
bjorn.mad...@operationsresearchgroup.com

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Richard Heck]

On 09/12/2011 01:10 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

Rob Oakes has also done some work along these lines, but starting with
LyX's internal XHTML export.

Yes, and still working on it. For plain vanilla books, LyX does a fantastic job 
for exporting to XHTML (and from there to ePub). But there are a couple of 
sticking points that aren't quite as polished yet (mostly due to limitations in 
the current ePub).

Specifically:

EndNotes and Footnotes are a mess. I'm a little curious as to how eLyXer 
handles them. I've written some preliminary support into the branch of LyX I 
hack on (https://launchpad.net/lyx-outline). When specified, it converts 
FootNotes to EndNotes and places them at the end of the file with a link. I'd 
be interested in other strategies for dealing with the content.
Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but 
had footnotes styled with things like "float: right;", rather than with 
the appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, 
as we discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.



The other thing that I need to add is a method for resampling and downsizing 
images, so that you can use LyX to target both Web and Print from the same 
copy. Right now, I've been doing that via branches. (With slightly different 
layouts for both.) But this results in some duplicated text, which I consider 
to be a bad thing.

Eventually, I would like to build in native support for ePub right into LyX.  
We've got most of the machinery all ready, but just need to add a UI to it.

Unfortunately, real world work has forced me away from side projects, but it's 
something that I'm definitely working on.
I'll see if I can't sort out the footnote issue at some point. Last I 
thought about it, it didn't seem as hard as I'd thought, since we do 
have a list of all the footnotes in the TOC


Richard

Re: [Pub-forum] ebook follies

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> Last time I looked, elyxer did pretty much the same sort of thing, but had
> footnotes styled with things like "float: right;", rather than with the
> appearing and disappearing act they do in LyX. But the real issue, as we
> discussed before, is somehow to defer them to the end.

Actually, with eLyXer you can choose several styles for your footnotes:
  - hover, where the footnote appears when you place the pointer over them;
  - margin, where they appear on the right;
  - and end, where they are deferred to the end.
They can be combined so footnotes appear at several places.

Allow me to refer you to the relevant section of the user guide:
  http://elyxer.nongnu.org/userguide.html#sub:Footnotes

Alex.

Re: Two identical installations of LyX cannot read the same file. What is wrong?

[Paul Rubin]

Steve Litt  troubleshooters.com> writes:


> 
> I had an almost identical problem a few months ago, on Ubuntu 11.04. 
> In my case, the solution that fixed the problem was to uninstall LyX 
> through Synaptic, download the latest stable LyX from LyX.org, and 
> then install it the old fashioned way, ./configure;make;make install. 
> Be aware that LyX has some pretty hairy dependencies, especially as 
> concerns Qt4. I basically had to install almost everything having to 
> do with Qt4 to get it to work, but once so installed, LyX worked 
> perfectly.

If, like me, you are averse to Adventures in Dependencies (and like to use
Synaptic), you can find a DEB package for LyX 2.0.1 at
http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/11.04/?q=lyx.  Works fine for me.