Re: Testing Release of 2.4.0 Development Branch

2020-10-30 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck 
On 10/30/20 7:27 PM, Shay Riggs wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 at 22:09, Richard Kimberly Heck  > wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> We are beginning the process of moving towards the next major
> release of
> LyX, which will be 2.4.0. Toward that end, we have prepared a
> 'testing'
> release. Please note that this is very much for testing. We do not
> necessarily recommend that anyone use it for daily work, although some
> of us do. (Be aware that you may have to deal with some bugs and that
> files edited with 2.4.x cannot be opened in 2.3.x without being
> exported
> to that format.)
>
>
> I’ve been looking at the new table features (xltabular, tabularx…) and
> I love the improvements.
>
> Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for feature enhancements to
> v2.4, but I’d love a pair of “suppress column space beforeafter”
> tickboxes that put “@{}” before/after the column specifier.
>
> For example, if I have a table with several columns, one of which is a
> “Variable” width column, and then use the “LaTeX argument” field to
> override the definition, this triggers LyX into thinking you no longer
> want the X (“Variable”) type column any more, and instead of a
> “tabularx” table you get a “tabular” (which has no concept of an X
> column).

Probably best here to (i) file an enhancement request at the bug tracker
 and (ii) send a version
of this message to lyx-devel. That'll get it maximal exposure.

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Re: Testing Release of 2.4.0 Development Branch

2020-10-30 Thread Shay Riggs 
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 at 22:09, Richard Kimberly Heck 
wrote:

> Hi, everyone,
>
> We are beginning the process of moving towards the next major release of
> LyX, which will be 2.4.0. Toward that end, we have prepared a 'testing'
> release. Please note that this is very much for testing. We do not
> necessarily recommend that anyone use it for daily work, although some
> of us do. (Be aware that you may have to deal with some bugs and that
> files edited with 2.4.x cannot be opened in 2.3.x without being exported
> to that format.)
>

I’ve been looking at the new table features (xltabular, tabularx…) and I
love the improvements.

Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for feature enhancements to v2.4,
but I’d love a pair of “suppress column space beforeafter” tickboxes that
put “@{}” before/after the column specifier.

For example, if I have a table with several columns, one of which is a
“Variable” width column, and then use the “LaTeX argument” field to
override the definition, this triggers LyX into thinking you no longer want
the X (“Variable”) type column any more, and instead of a “tabularx” table
you get a “tabular” (which has no concept of an X column).

Looks like the same thing happens on multi-page tables too :-(

I suppose a more general solution might be to have text fields where you
can put in whatever “@{}”-style overrides you like without interfering with
LyX’s column specifier.

Both source code and binaries for Windows and OSX can be found here:
>
> http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/
>
> Binaries for various Linux distros may or may not be available from
> their associated repositories. (But, if you are on Linux, you should not
> have too much trouble compiling the source. If you need help, just ask.)
>
> We will greatly appreciate any reports on how well these packages work!
> You can post comments either to lyx-users or to lyx-devel.
>

Can confirm: it compiles and runs fine (during my very limited tests) on
Arch Linux.

Looking forward to the final release!

Regards
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Re: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread Eberhard W Lisse 
John,

that would depend on whether you have X11 or whatever goes for Window Manager 
on Debian/Raspia , and whether the developers produce a DEB.

If the latter doesn’t apply, the one would have to try and compile it, which 
might require a number of additional libraries, but could work.

I run my Raspbian headless (ie only with ssh login) and use it for 
https://galmon.eu/geo (click off the “Coverage”), for 
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/?search=&status=&af=&country=NA and for 
https://hoobs.org, since my Ubuntu server recently died after 10 years.

Nice little toy, that. If one could get it to work under x11, once could run it 
on a MiFi and access it from the iPad with something like Mocha, and that would 
make it very sexy.

el

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On 30 Oct 2020, 22:28 +0200, John White , wrote:
> Hi Doc!
>
> Somebody gave me a Raspberry PI the other day and I have no clue what to do
> with it. Does Lyx work on it? Does Lyx work on Raspbian ?
>
> Hope this finds you well and happy.
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 11:38:20 PM PDT Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> > Or,
> >
> > actually this both means, get rid of Windows :-)-O
> >
> > Seriously, I have tried to get LyX and MikTeX working on Windows, but
> > given up. And I need Windows for my practice software, so I run it now
> > in Virtual Box on an iMac which works out well. Not only for LyX.
> >
> > On my servers I run Ubuntu by the way, on the Raspberry PI I run
> > Raspbian (all Debian Derivates).
> >
> > greetings, el
> >
> > On 2020-10-30 03:41 , John White wrote:
> > > Dr. Lisse is obviously not perfect or he would have said "Get Debian."
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 4:37:56 AM PDT Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> > > > Get a Mac.
> > > >
> > > > el
>
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Re: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread John White 
Hi Doc!

Somebody gave me a Raspberry PI the other day and I have no clue what to do 
with it.  Does Lyx work on it?  Does Lyx work on Raspbian ?

Hope this finds you well and happy.

John

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 11:38:20 PM PDT Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> Or,
> 
> actually this both means, get rid of Windows :-)-O
> 
> Seriously, I have tried to get LyX and MikTeX working on Windows, but
> given up. And I need Windows for my practice software, so I run it now
> in Virtual Box on an iMac which works out well. Not only for LyX.
> 
> On my servers I run Ubuntu by the way, on the Raspberry PI I run
> Raspbian (all Debian Derivates).
> 
> greetings, el
> 
> On 2020-10-30 03:41 , John White wrote:
> > Dr. Lisse is obviously not perfect or he would have said "Get Debian."
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 4:37:56 AM PDT Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> >> Get a Mac.
> >> 
> >> el



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RE: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread Bernt Lie 
I use LyX with MikTeX on Windows daily. It is not problem-free, so I'm open to 
test out TeXLive (or LuaTeX?).

The important questions wrt. TeX distribution is whether the choice *limits*...
* available styles/packages/etc. that can be used,
* stability,
* ease of use
* speed of operation

-B

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From: lyx-users  On Behalf Of Richard Kimberly 
Heck
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 17:07
To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse ; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: LyX acting differently between computers

On 10/30/20 2:38 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> Or,
>
> actually this both means, get rid of Windows :-)-O
>
> Seriously, I have tried to get LyX and MikTeX working on Windows, but 
> given up.

The LyX project itself does not have an official view about TeX distributions, 
but our experience has tended to be that TeXLive is more reliable than MikTeX 
on Windows.

Riki


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Re: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread José Abílio Matos 
On Friday, October 30, 2020 6:55:57 PM WET Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> And I am not criticizing one bit the efforts of the LyX trying to make this
> work on Windows.
> 
> el

I did *not* read it that way either. :-)
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RE: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread Eberhard W Lisse 
And I am not criticizing one bit the efforts of the LyX trying to make this 
work on Windows.

el

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On 30 Oct 2020, 18:13 +0200, Bernt Lie , wrote:
> I use LyX with MikTeX on Windows daily. It is not problem-free, so I'm open 
> to test out TeXLive (or LuaTeX?).
>
> The important questions wrt. TeX distribution is whether the choice 
> *limits*...
> * available styles/packages/etc. that can be used,
> * stability,
> * ease of use
> * speed of operation
>
> -B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyx-users  On Behalf Of Richard 
> Kimberly Heck
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 17:07
> To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse ; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Subject: Re: LyX acting differently between computers
>
> On 10/30/20 2:38 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> > Or,
> >
> > actually this both means, get rid of Windows :-)-O
> >
> > Seriously, I have tried to get LyX and MikTeX working on Windows, but
> > given up.
>
> The LyX project itself does not have an official view about TeX 
> distributions, but our experience has tended to be that TeXLive is more 
> reliable than MikTeX on Windows.
>
> Riki
>
>
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Re: Testing Release of 2.4.0 Development Branch

2020-10-30 Thread José Abílio Matos 
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 10:09:24 PM WET Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> Both source code and binaries for Windows and OSX can be found here:
> 
> http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/
> 
> Binaries for various Linux distros may or may not be available from
> their associated repositories. (But, if you are on Linux, you should not
> have too much trouble compiling the source. If you need help, just ask.)

BTW if you are using Fedora or Red Hat Enterprise Linux/CentOS I created a 
copr repository:

https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jamatos/lyx-devel/ 

There is just one package in that repository: lyx-devel. The package is 
parallel installable with the stable version and it does not change, neither 
uses any of the stable settings. That means that it is safe to use and 
uninstall that it will not mess with the current stable 2.3.5.2.

Beware that if you save a document with lyx-devel the stable version will not 
be able to read it (yet). On the other hand you can have a look of what is 
coming next in LyX without risking any work and helping to stabilize the next 
version.

> We will greatly appreciate any reports on how well these packages work!
> You can post comments either to lyx-users or to lyx-devel.
> 
> Riki

This applies as well, all feedback is welcome either here or on the lyx-devel 
mailing list.

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Re: Testing Release of 2.4.0 Development Branch

2020-10-30 Thread Yu Jin 
Am Fr., 30. Okt. 2020 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Baris Erkus <
bariser...@hotmail.com>:

> On 30-Oct-20 1:09 AM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> > Hi, everyone,
> >
> > We are beginning the process of moving towards the next major release of
> > LyX, which will be 2.4.0. Toward that end, we have prepared a 'testing'
> > release. Please note that this is very much for testing. We do not
> > necessarily recommend that anyone use it for daily work, although some
> > of us do. (Be aware that you may have to deal with some bugs and that
> > files edited with 2.4.x cannot be opened in 2.3.x without being exported
> > to that format.)
> >
> > Both source code and binaries for Windows and OSX can be found here:
> >
> >  http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/
> >
> > Binaries for various Linux distros may or may not be available from
> > their associated repositories. (But, if you are on Linux, you should not
> > have too much trouble compiling the source. If you need help, just ask.)
> >
> > We will greatly appreciate any reports on how well these packages work!
> > You can post comments either to lyx-users or to lyx-devel.
> >
> > Riki
> >
> Would it be possible to set it up seperately, while keeping the current
> stable LyX 2.3.5.2. Particularly Windows.
>
> I know I have several installations of LyX on my PC and I did not have
> any issue using them all. Will this be the case for the test release?
>

>From all I know this should be no problem. You should just make sure that
you uncheck "File associations" while installing the testing release. The
only small issue could happen is that the preview of vector images (like
pdf) will not work, then simply run reconfigure from the LyX UI. Otherwise
you could always ask for help here if something goes wrong.
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Re: LyX acting differently between computers

2020-10-30 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck 

On 10/30/20 2:38 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:

Or,

actually this both means, get rid of Windows :-)-O

Seriously, I have tried to get LyX and MikTeX working on Windows, but
given up.


The LyX project itself does not have an official view about TeX 
distributions, but our experience has tended to be that TeXLive is more 
reliable than MikTeX on Windows.


Riki


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Re: Testing Release of 2.4.0 Development Branch

2020-10-30 Thread Baris Erkus 

On 30-Oct-20 1:09 AM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

Hi, everyone,

We are beginning the process of moving towards the next major release of
LyX, which will be 2.4.0. Toward that end, we have prepared a 'testing'
release. Please note that this is very much for testing. We do not
necessarily recommend that anyone use it for daily work, although some
of us do. (Be aware that you may have to deal with some bugs and that
files edited with 2.4.x cannot be opened in 2.3.x without being exported
to that format.)

Both source code and binaries for Windows and OSX can be found here:

     http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/

Binaries for various Linux distros may or may not be available from
their associated repositories. (But, if you are on Linux, you should not
have too much trouble compiling the source. If you need help, just ask.)

We will greatly appreciate any reports on how well these packages work!
You can post comments either to lyx-users or to lyx-devel.

Riki

Would it be possible to set it up seperately, while keeping the current 
stable LyX 2.3.5.2. Particularly Windows.


I know I have several installations of LyX on my PC and I did not have 
any issue using them all. Will this be the case for the test release?


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Re: Changes to LaTeX

2020-10-30 Thread Guenter Milde 
On 2020-10-14, John White wrote:
> Isn't git owned by Gates?

Git (the program) is open source, the hosting site github
includes non-free parts and is owned by Microsoft (so, if you bye
Microsoft shares also by you, partially).

Günter

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