Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Herbert Voss]

Am 07.12.22 um 21:36 schrieb Christopher Menzel:


I have used LyX 2.3.6.2 under Ventura and did find that it crashed 
regularly. Since the version on LyX.org is still only compiled for 
Intel, perhaps Rosetta is the problem.


no problem here with

LyX Version 2.3.6.2

and Ventura 13.1

Herbert






And just to note, in case it is helpful: if you are familiar with 
Linux and have, or don’t mind purchasing, a Parallels 18 subscription, 
LyX 2.3.6.2 (together with the Okular PDF viewer) is wonderfully 
snappy and stable running in a Linux VM under Ventura.


-chris

On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
 wrote:

...
I conclude that there is a risk, however little, that something _can_ 
go wrong.


Since I cannot afford to break anything for the next months, I think 
I’ll play it safe and delay the upgrade.


I need to learn MacOS better first. (Marcus: I didn’t even know that 
the downgrade relied on Time Machine…)


In the meantime, there’s a couple of very minor annoyances that I 
cannot solve alone; I’ll ask about them in another thread.


BR - Daniel





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Re: issue with opening lyx

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

After an unsuccessful launch open Systems Preferences -> Privacy &
Security  and you might find a butto to allow it anyway.

You can also issue

sudo spctl --master-disable

it will ask you for your password and you must be an admin for this.

If you try again it should go through.

el






On 04/12/2022 05:23, Patryk Kozlowski wrote:
> i want to use lyx fairly frequently, but everytime i restart my computer
> i am not able to load the application on my mac big sur 11.3.1. when i
> try to open lyx, i get the dialog: 
> 
> *“LyX.app” can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious
> software.*
> 
> This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more
> information.
> 
> 
> This item is on the disk image “LyX-2.3.6.2+qt5-12-x86_64-cocoa
> (2).dmg”. Chrome downloaded this disk image today at 5:23 PM from
> *www.lyx.org *.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there any way to get rid of this message?
> 
> 


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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Daniel,

I have used LyX 2.3.6.2 under Ventura and did find that it crashed regularly. 
Since the version on LyX.org is still only compiled for Intel, perhaps Rosetta 
is the problem.

And just to note, in case it is helpful: if you are familiar with Linux and 
have, or don’t mind purchasing, a Parallels 18 subscription, LyX 2.3.6.2 
(together with the Okular PDF viewer) is wonderfully snappy and stable running 
in a Linux VM under Ventura.

-chris

On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
 wrote:
> ...
> I conclude that there is a risk, however little, that something _can_ go 
> wrong.
> 
> Since I cannot afford to break anything for the next months, I think I’ll 
> play it safe and delay the upgrade. 
> 
> I need to learn MacOS better first. (Marcus: I didn’t even know that the 
> downgrade relied on Time Machine…)
> 
> In the meantime, there’s a couple of very minor annoyances that I cannot 
> solve alone; I’ll ask about them in another thread.
> 
> BR - Daniel

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Re: Raster image format

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:


I would not waste too much time on that, but for speed purposes I would
select the draft button, until such time you want to see the images
proper.


el,

Thanks.

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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users]

Le 7 déc. 2022 à 17:21, Stephan Witt  a écrit :
> 
> Am 07.12.2022 um 16:21 schrieb Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
> :
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There 
>> wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.
>> 
>> Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?
>> 
>> When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow 
>> managed to get Python installed too. 
>> 
>> I’m rather new to Mac, and in no hurry at all to do the upgrade. Perhaps it 
>> would be best to wait for LyX 2.4?
>> 
>> I’ll take your advice - best regards,
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I’m on Mojave for production as primary macOS (because I’m using Aperture 
> from Apple - a 32bit application w/o 64bit upgrade option!).
> 
> I have access to a M1 system with Big Sur for development builds of LyX. I 
> don’t want to upgrade because I’ll loose the option to test LyX on Big Sur.
> 
> I’ve tested LyX 2.3.6.2 on different VMs with macOS 12.x and didn’t have time 
> and resources to try macOS 13 yet.
> 
> My experience is: starting with Monterey 12.3 Apple dropped the support for 
> Python 2.x and the upgrade from earlier versions removes it. There is a 
> replacement Python 3 installed as a stub and if this gets called it asks the 
> user to download and install the real thing from Apple.
> 
> There is one report of having a problem after upgrade from Monterey to 
> Ventura (macOS 13) with Python again. I couldn’t get the information how this 
> happened. Probably the upgrade to Ventura breaks the installed Python 3 from 
> Apple. One has to reinstall it manually.
> 
> All this is a consequence of Apples decision to pass the responsibility for a 
> working Python software to app developers and/or end users. So they cannot be 
> blamed for security problems with it, IMO. It makes no sense to include a 
> Python package with LyX and therefore it is ok to install either Apples or 
> the „official“ open-source Python for Apple on the system. It’s an open task 
> to detect the current situation on the users system and give more prominent 
> and useful advice how to proceed.
> 
> There is another issue I’m aware of. On some systems the gatekeeper keeps 
> nagging and says the LyX binary is a suspicious one. Probably it’s because of 
> the bundle permissions, the certificate used for signing or the security 
> settings of users system.
> 
> My advice would be to try the upgrade if you’re able to go back with time 
> machine w/o hassle. I’ll be there to answer questions and help to solve 
> problems. If you don’t want to risk anything I can understand it and you may 
> wait for the results of my experiments in a virtual machine. Another option 
> is to create a virtual machine yourself and try it there and contact me if 
> something is broken.
> 
> Hope that helps and regards,
> Stephan

Thank you all for your input.

I conclude that there is a risk, however little, that something _can_ go wrong.

Since I cannot afford to break anything for the next months, I think I’ll play 
it safe and delay the upgrade. 

I need to learn MacOS better first. (Marcus: I didn’t even know that the 
downgrade relied on Time Machine…)

In the meantime, there’s a couple of very minor annoyances that I cannot solve 
alone; I’ll ask about them in another thread.

BR - Daniel
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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Never even thought for a second to downgrade any of the many upgrades I
have done. Even if some were not straight sailing...

el

On 2022-12-07 19:46 , Marcus Kriele via lyx-users wrote:

Hi Daniel

Please note that Time Machine may not work for going back from macOS13
to macOS12.  At least it did not work in my case.  I also realized
that macOS13 changed the format of the Photos library so that I could
not read it with macOS12 after reinstalling the old operating system
(fortunately I had a recent backup for this library).

So if you try to upgrade I would strongly suggest to make a full
backup first without using Time Machine to ensure that you still have
all your data, if it does not work out.

Best regards, Marcus


On 7 Dec 2022, at 16:21, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users
 wrote:

Dear list members,

I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13.
There wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.

Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?

When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I
somehow managed to get Python installed too.

I’m rather new to Mac, and in no hurry at all to do the upgrade.
Perhaps it would be best to wait for LyX 2.4?

I’ll take your advice - 

best regards, 


-- Daniel CLEMENT


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Re: Raster image format

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

I would not waste too much time on that, but for speed purposes I would
select the draft button, until such time you want to see the images
proper.

el

On 2022-12-07 20:27 , Rich Shepard wrote:

My documents tend to contain many PDF vector images which appear to be
converted by LyX to a preferred (rasterized?) format. What is that format so
I can convert the .pdfs to it?

TIA,

Rich


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Raster image format

[Rich Shepard]

My documents tend to contain many PDF vector images which appear to be
converted by LyX to a preferred (rasterized?) format. What is that format so
I can convert the .pdfs to it?

TIA,

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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Marcus Kriele via lyx-users]

Hi Daniel

Please note that Time Machine may not work for going back from macOS13 to 
macOS12. At least it did not work in my case.  I also realized that macOS13 
changed the format of the Photos library so that I could not read it with 
macOS12 after reinstalling the old operating system (fortunately I had a recent 
backup for this library). 

So if you try to upgrade I would strongly suggest to make a full backup first 
without using Time Machine to ensure that you still have all your data, if it 
does not work out.

Best regards, Marcus

> On 7 Dec 2022, at 16:21, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There 
> wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.
> 
> Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?
> 
> When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow 
> managed to get Python installed too. 
> 
> I’m rather new to Mac, and in no hurry at all to do the upgrade. Perhaps it 
> would be best to wait for LyX 2.4?
> 
> I’ll take your advice - best regards,
> --
> Daniel CLEMENT
> 
> 
> 
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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.12.2022 um 16:21 schrieb Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There 
> wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.
> 
> Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?
> 
> When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow 
> managed to get Python installed too. 
> 
> I’m rather new to Mac, and in no hurry at all to do the upgrade. Perhaps it 
> would be best to wait for LyX 2.4?
> 
> I’ll take your advice - best regards,

Hi Daniel,

I’m on Mojave for production as primary macOS (because I’m using Aperture from 
Apple - a 32bit application w/o 64bit upgrade option!).

I have access to a M1 system with Big Sur for development builds of LyX. I 
don’t want to upgrade because I’ll loose the option to test LyX on Big Sur.

I’ve tested LyX 2.3.6.2 on different VMs with macOS 12.x and didn’t have time 
and resources to try macOS 13 yet.

My experience is: starting with Monterey 12.3 Apple dropped the support for 
Python 2.x and the upgrade from earlier versions removes it. There is a 
replacement Python 3 installed as a stub and if this gets called it asks the 
user to download and install the real thing from Apple.

There is one report of having a problem after upgrade from Monterey to Ventura 
(macOS 13) with Python again. I couldn’t get the information how this happened. 
Probably the upgrade to Ventura breaks the installed Python 3 from Apple. One 
has to reinstall it manually.

All this is a consequence of Apples decision to pass the responsibility for a 
working Python software to app developers and/or end users. So they cannot be 
blamed for security problems with it, IMO. It makes no sense to include a 
Python package with LyX and therefore it is ok to install either Apples or the 
„official“ open-source Python for Apple on the system. It’s an open task to 
detect the current situation on the users system and give more prominent and 
useful advice how to proceed.

There is another issue I’m aware of. On some systems the gatekeeper keeps 
nagging and says the LyX binary is a suspicious one. Probably it’s because of 
the bundle permissions, the certificate used for signing or the security 
settings of users system.

My advice would be to try the upgrade if you’re able to go back with time 
machine w/o hassle. I’ll be there to answer questions and help to solve 
problems. If you don’t want to risk anything I can understand it and you may 
wait for the results of my experiments in a virtual machine. Another option is 
to create a virtual machine yourself and try it there and contact me if 
something is broken.

Hope that helps and regards,
Stephan
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Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Hal Kierstead via lyx-users]

> On Dec 7, 2022, at 8:21 AM, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There 
> wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.
> 
> Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?
> 
> When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow 
> managed to get Python installed too. 
> --
> Daniel CLEMENT

I have the same question.
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About upgrading to MacOS 13

[Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users]

Dear list members,

I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There 
wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems.

Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)?

When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow managed 
to get Python installed too. 

I’m rather new to Mac, and in no hurry at all to do the upgrade. Perhaps it 
would be best to wait for LyX 2.4?

I’ll take your advice - best regards,
--
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