Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.dewrote:

 My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as
 starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where
 LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g.
 /usr/share/lyx/).


Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've
learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a
typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with
something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have
to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to
do in OOo.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.dewrote:

 My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as
 starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where
 LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g.
 /usr/share/lyx/).


Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've
learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a
typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with
something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have
to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to
do in OOo.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

> My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as
> starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where
> LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g.
> /usr/share/lyx/).
>

Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've
learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a
typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with
something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have
to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to
do in OOo.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

2009/4/28 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com

  Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the
 text,
  click on Edit-Text Style-Customized, and under Family select
  Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace
 to
  get all occurrences.

 You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should
 be
 Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are
 Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say typewriter face,
 you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead,
 then
 if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do
 that.


In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles
somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that,
once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

2009/4/28 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com

  Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the
 text,
  click on Edit-Text Style-Customized, and under Family select
  Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace
 to
  get all occurrences.

 You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should
 be
 Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are
 Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say typewriter face,
 you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead,
 then
 if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do
 that.


In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles
somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that,
once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

2009/4/28 Steve Litt 

> > Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the
> text,
> > click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select
> > Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace
> to
> > get all occurrences.
>
> You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should
> be
> Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are
> Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say "typewriter face",
> you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead,
> then
> if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do
> that.


In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles
somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that,
once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM, tedc carneva...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
 \textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
 means to render
 for i=0,n-1
 with a specified typeface? or at least as typewriter?
 --


Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text,
click on Edit-Text Style-Customized, and under Family select Typewriter.
Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all
occurrences.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM, tedc carneva...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
 \textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
 means to render
 for i=0,n-1
 with a specified typeface? or at least as typewriter?
 --


Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text,
click on Edit-Text Style-Customized, and under Family select Typewriter.
Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all
occurrences.

Drew

Re: text styles

[Drew Kime]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM, tedc  wrote:

> So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
> \textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
> means to render
> for i=0,n-1
> with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
> --
>

Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text,
click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select Typewriter.
Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all
occurrences.

Drew

Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but I'm
trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the option
to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so that
it can be printed.

I've solved this in the past by simply having the title as standard text,
and using a URL inset next to it. This works fine for the printed version,
but as a result also shows the URL text in the electronic version.

Is it possible to add an option -- I'm guessing it would be a hyperref
option -- that will cause the URL text to be displayed?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Drew Kime schrieb:

  I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but
 I'm
 trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
 and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the
 option
 to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so
 that
 it can be printed.


 The hyperlink dialog provides you to enter a special name for the URL. If
 you leave it empty, the link is then also the name, see attached.

 regards Uwe

Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I *want* the
special name in the electronic version. Pseudocode example: Please visit
[my blog|http://blogname.com] for more details. In the electronic versions,
I want the current behavior, where my blog is displayed, highlighted as a
link to http://blogname.com;. But I'd like to be able to create a version
for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
obviously can't click on a book.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Drew Kime schrieb:

  But I'd like to be able to create a version
 for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
 obviously can't click on a book.


 Then write the name in front of the link like I did in the Bibliography of
 the LyX UserGuide.

 regards Uwe

So you're confirming that it's *not* possible to do pretty links for
electronic documents, but add something in the preamble that will render the
link after the title?

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Florian Rubach florian.rub...@gmx.dewrote:


 If I get you right, you want two different outputs, number one for printing
 with both title and URL and number two as electronic version with just the
 clickable title and nothing more.
 There is a workaround for that... It's not quite beautiful, but it works.
 You have to make a distinction between your two cases printed  and pdf.
 For that, you can define your own latex-command, say \myprintversion, by
 \def\myprintversion{} in Latex-Code.
 In front of every hyperlink, you can check whether \myprintversion is
 defined or not and use that to decide what output to generate. To stick with
 your example, you could write \ifdefined\myprintversion (in Latex-Code),
 then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in the printversion. After
 that in Latex-Code \else, then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in
 the electronic version. To finalize the if-clause, you need to add the
 statement \fi in Latex-Code.
 Now all you have to do to switch between print-version and electronic
 version is to keep the definition of \myprintversion or delete/comment it.

 If you need an example-file, I'll send you one.
 Regards,

 Florian

Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need to
manually add the if - else code before every URL. If that's the case, I'm
more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Drew Kime drew.k...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need
 to
  manually add the if - else code before every URL. If that's the case,
 I'm
  more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
  directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.
 
  Drew
 

 Perhaps you should take a look at the Branch feature: section 6.8 of
 the User's Guide.

 Bennett

Bennett, that's even better. Gives much better flexibility and control when
doing one version for print and one version for electronic. I always
wondered what Branches were for.

Drew

Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but I'm
trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the option
to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so that
it can be printed.

I've solved this in the past by simply having the title as standard text,
and using a URL inset next to it. This works fine for the printed version,
but as a result also shows the URL text in the electronic version.

Is it possible to add an option -- I'm guessing it would be a hyperref
option -- that will cause the URL text to be displayed?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Drew Kime schrieb:

  I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but
 I'm
 trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
 and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the
 option
 to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so
 that
 it can be printed.


 The hyperlink dialog provides you to enter a special name for the URL. If
 you leave it empty, the link is then also the name, see attached.

 regards Uwe

Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I *want* the
special name in the electronic version. Pseudocode example: Please visit
[my blog|http://blogname.com] for more details. In the electronic versions,
I want the current behavior, where my blog is displayed, highlighted as a
link to http://blogname.com;. But I'd like to be able to create a version
for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
obviously can't click on a book.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Drew Kime schrieb:

  But I'd like to be able to create a version
 for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
 obviously can't click on a book.


 Then write the name in front of the link like I did in the Bibliography of
 the LyX UserGuide.

 regards Uwe

So you're confirming that it's *not* possible to do pretty links for
electronic documents, but add something in the preamble that will render the
link after the title?

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Florian Rubach florian.rub...@gmx.dewrote:


 If I get you right, you want two different outputs, number one for printing
 with both title and URL and number two as electronic version with just the
 clickable title and nothing more.
 There is a workaround for that... It's not quite beautiful, but it works.
 You have to make a distinction between your two cases printed  and pdf.
 For that, you can define your own latex-command, say \myprintversion, by
 \def\myprintversion{} in Latex-Code.
 In front of every hyperlink, you can check whether \myprintversion is
 defined or not and use that to decide what output to generate. To stick with
 your example, you could write \ifdefined\myprintversion (in Latex-Code),
 then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in the printversion. After
 that in Latex-Code \else, then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in
 the electronic version. To finalize the if-clause, you need to add the
 statement \fi in Latex-Code.
 Now all you have to do to switch between print-version and electronic
 version is to keep the definition of \myprintversion or delete/comment it.

 If you need an example-file, I'll send you one.
 Regards,

 Florian

Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need to
manually add the if - else code before every URL. If that's the case, I'm
more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Drew Kime drew.k...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need
 to
  manually add the if - else code before every URL. If that's the case,
 I'm
  more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
  directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.
 
  Drew
 

 Perhaps you should take a look at the Branch feature: section 6.8 of
 the User's Guide.

 Bennett

Bennett, that's even better. Gives much better flexibility and control when
doing one version for print and one version for electronic. I always
wondered what Branches were for.

Drew

Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but I'm
trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the option
to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so that
it can be printed.

I've solved this in the past by simply having the title as standard text,
and using a URL inset next to it. This works fine for the printed version,
but as a result also shows the URL text in the electronic version.

Is it possible to add an option -- I'm guessing it would be a hyperref
option -- that will cause the URL text to be displayed?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Uwe Stöhr <uwesto...@web.de> wrote:

> Drew Kime schrieb:
>
>  I've seen lots of questions about how to make clickable hyperlinks, but
>> I'm
>> trying to go the opposite direction. I'm using the Hyperlink inset in 1.6
>> and it is correctly creating the hyperlink in the PDF. But I need the
>> option
>> to output a PDF which has both the title text and the URL displayed so
>> that
>> it can be printed.
>>
>
> The hyperlink dialog provides you to enter a special name for the URL. If
> you leave it empty, the link is then also the name, see attached.
>
> regards Uwe
>
Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I *want* the
special name in the electronic version. Pseudocode example: "Please visit
[my blog|http://blogname.com] for more details." In the electronic versions,
I want the current behavior, where "my blog" is displayed, highlighted as a
link to "http://blogname.com;. But I'd like to be able to create a version
for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
obviously can't click on a book.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Uwe Stöhr <uwesto...@web.de> wrote:

> Drew Kime schrieb:
>
>  But I'd like to be able to create a version
>> for print that would show the special name *and* the URL, since you
>> obviously can't click on a book.
>>
>
> Then write the name in front of the link like I did in the Bibliography of
> the LyX UserGuide.
>
> regards Uwe
>
So you're confirming that it's *not* possible to do "pretty" links for
electronic documents, but add something in the preamble that will render the
link after the title?

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Florian Rubach wrote:

>
> If I get you right, you want two different outputs, number one for printing
> with both title and URL and number two as electronic version with just the
> clickable title and nothing more.
> There is a workaround for that... It's not quite beautiful, but it works.
> You have to make a distinction between your two cases "printed"  and "pdf".
> For that, you can define your own latex-command, say \myprintversion, by
> \def\myprintversion{} in Latex-Code.
> In front of every hyperlink, you can check whether \myprintversion is
> defined or not and use that to decide what output to generate. To stick with
> your example, you could write \ifdefined\myprintversion (in Latex-Code),
> then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in the printversion. After
> that in Latex-Code \else, then add the hyperlink in the way you want it in
> the electronic version. To finalize the if-clause, you need to add the
> statement \fi in Latex-Code.
> Now all you have to do to switch between print-version and electronic
> version is to keep the definition of \myprintversion or delete/comment it.
>
> If you need an example-file, I'll send you one.
> Regards,
>
> Florian
>
Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need to
manually add the "if - else" code before every URL. If that's the case, I'm
more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.

Drew

Re: Want to show URLs in printed version

[Drew Kime]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM, BH <bewih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Drew Kime <drew.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. But it sounds like I'd need
> to
> > manually add the "if - else" code before every URL. If that's the case,
> I'm
> > more comfortable writing macros in vim, so I'll handle it in the lyx code
> > directly, not through the GUI. Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Drew
> >
>
> Perhaps you should take a look at the Branch feature: section 6.8 of
> the User's Guide.
>
> Bennett
>
Bennett, that's even better. Gives much better flexibility and control when
doing one version for print and one version for electronic. I always
wondered what Branches were for.

Drew