can't edit Converters, File Formats, Copiers

2008-08-04 Thread Joe

In the GUI for LyX the Add and Modify buttons are gray.  I can't modify.  Any
advice is appreciated.  

I'm running 1.5.6 on OS X 10.5.4

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can't edit Converters, File Formats, Copiers

2008-08-04 Thread Joe

In the GUI for LyX the Add and Modify buttons are gray.  I can't modify.  Any
advice is appreciated.  

I'm running 1.5.6 on OS X 10.5.4

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can't edit Converters, File Formats, Copiers

2008-08-04 Thread Joe

In the GUI for LyX the Add and Modify buttons are gray.  I can't modify.  Any
advice is appreciated.  

I'm running 1.5.6 on OS X 10.5.4

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LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"

2015-09-06 Thread Joe

I can't find my post... Lets see if the old email address still works.
Though if that were the problem, then I'd have expected to see a bounce
notice from either the list server, or gmane's NTTP portal...

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-> From: Joe <jtw...@gmx.com>
-> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 00:02:32 -0400
-> Subject: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"

LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"

I can't begin to list all the reasons why I want to write with LyX.
I can't begin to describe how messed up my 'work' would be if I had
to create and/or edit the text with ANY standard word processor.

So what I'm doing is writing in LyX, And washing the formatting with a
plain text file, which gets pasted into an Libreoffice "blank" document
with preconfigured paragraph styles, consistently named, so that all I
should need do, is start at one end of the document. Mark blocks of text,
and apply the style that best emulates how LyX formatted it. And of course
insert supporting bookmark and TOC hyperlinks...

I don't do this until I'm done editing the words, Because if I decided to
make any changes, I would want to make them in my .lyx source document. And
repeat the above steps...

That part is working for me.

Except for the problem with paragraph marks.

When I export to plain text, LyX adds all those extra carriage returns, like
I'd need if I wanted to read the exported text with something that doesn't
wrap the text, such as leafpad.

I already tried exporting to the various other formats that I should be able
to import into Libreoffice. But none of them import to Libreoffice cleanly. 
And I can't get export as *.odt to work at all.
Exporting as html(word) almost worked once. But somehow a bunch of apostrophes
got converted to single close quotes. Then when I tried again after a few
updates (whether it was a change in Lyx or in Libreoffice I couldn't say)
it didn't work the same way. And I need to be able to get it there cleanly.
Every time, with consistent results.

Washing the formatting with a version of the nuclear option as described in
Mark Coker's "Smashwords Style Guide" is a good way to get consistent results.
So I'm partial to a clean plain text output.

I came up with a partial workaround. As long as there aren't any comment or ert
boxes etc...: I open the .lyx file with LyX: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c}
open a blank leafpad doc: {ctrl+v}
*find a way to strip out all those blank lines caused by LyX effectively using
double CRs as paragraph markers. I couldn't think of the syntax to strip
them out with sed, so I opened the file with vim and:

/^$
:map t ddn

t {repeat until not found}

Then I opened it in leafpad again: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c}
opened the above described blank Libreoffice doc
{ctrl+v} And apply the paragraph formats etc... as described above.

Now I need to work on cover art and other background stuff. But I think the
output.doc file itself, will make it through, what Smashwords describes as
their meat grinder. If I'm right. And if the ebook is well received, There
may well be sequels... My kludge is repeatable. But it would be so much
easier if I knew how to get LyX to export a plain text version, without all
the extra linefeeds.

What am I missing here???

-- 
JtWdyP




Re: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"

2015-09-23 Thread Joe
reposting because it seams posting with my current email in from address 
still fails to post. May be an issue with gmane gateway...

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It would appear that on Sep 6, Joe did say:

> LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"
> 
> I can't begin to list all the reasons why I want to write with LyX.
> I can't begin to describe how messed up my 'work' would be if I had
> to create and/or edit the text with ANY standard word processor.
> 
> So what I'm doing is writing in LyX, *exporting {sort of} to the word.doc*
**that smashwords wants me to upload my work as...
I say sort of: I'm going with a hands on manual conversion process. That 
is at least repeatable. Which matters to me in case I decide to self 
publish more of them this way.

> When I export to plain text, LyX adds all those extra carriage returns, like
> I'd need if I wanted to read the exported text with something that doesn't
> wrap the text, such as leafpad.

And the thing I most want to preserve is the exact position of the
paragraph marks, so I don't want the LyX to assume that the only way I want
plain text output, is to send it to an old dot matrix printer that doesn't
know how to word wrap.

> I came up with a partial workaround. As long as there aren't any comment or 
> ert
> boxes etc...: I open the .lyx file with LyX: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c}
> open a blank leafpad doc: {ctrl+v}
> *find a way to strip out all those blank lines caused by LyX effectively using
> double CRs as paragraph markers. I couldn't think of the syntax to strip
> them out with sed,

did a web search for it and came up with the answer to that part:
code ===
sed '/^$/d' input.txt > output.txt
or
grep -v '^$' input.txt > output.txt
/code ===

Now the problem with this resulting output is the lack of a TOC.

So What I'm doing is exporting one copy to plain text in spite of all those
pesky line feeds. I truncate the exported file right below the TOC listing.

Then I apply the above workaround.
Append the results to the first file.
Open it for editing with my chosen text editor. And delete one or the 
other of the duplicated 'front-matter' lines.

Then I copy the entire text file to the clipboard. Open a copy of the blank
word.doc I'm using for a template with libreoffice.

This "blank" file does have all the custom paragraph styles I need to
reformat the final result to resemble how LyX would have formatted a pdf.
But first I need to paste all that text from that text file into the
"word.doc" So that I can start at the top, and apply the paragraph styles
as needed.

When I get to the TOC I use the list of chapters as a source for search
strings that let me find the corresponding line in the text body that 
needs to have my custom "chapter header" style applied to it. And while I'm at
it, I set an appropriately named bookmark to it. Reuse the search string to
get back to the correct TOC entry, and make the hyperlink.

Then I start on the text of each chapter. The majority of which is to
simply select the first paragraph, apply a style I call MyIndent1st.
And select the following paragraphs. to which I apply MyIndentSTD

I also have MyDreamSequence1st and MyDreamSequenceSTD styles, among others.
So I do have to pay attention as I apply the paragraph styles. But I'm not
having much trouble with that part.

You can tell me that I'm doing this the hard way if you want. But I'll get
consistent results, every time I do it this way. So If I should decide to
write a series of Ebooks, I'll get consistent results every time I self
publish one.

Of course I doubt this would work so good if I was writing something that
needed tables, or other constructs that wouldn't make it through smashwords so
called meat-grinder. But I'm writing fiction. So this will work for me, until
I find a better way.

If anyone knows of a better way to get the resulting word.doc, formatted to
the exacting standards described in the smashwords style guide. And still
look like the output LyX thought I meant when I composed with LyX. So that
it could keep me from fat fingering extra spaces, and all the other
formatting mistakes that would creep in to my work, if I tried to compose
with a mere word processor. Then please give me a clue. Cause this
repeatable kludge is a real PITA!

Thank you!

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JtWdyP




Re: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"

2015-09-23 Thread Joe

It would appear that on Sep 24, Andrew Parsloe did say:

> Have you considered exporting to rich text format and opening the resulting
> rtf document in LibreOffice? I'm on windows, but I've found the program
> latex2rtf does a pretty good job of handling even quite complicated LyX
> objects (like tables, simple equations, footnotes). For straightforward text
> (section headings, paragraphs, emphasised text etc.) it could save you a *lot*
> of effort.

Actually no, I hadn't considered that. Probably because I didn't know how.
And if I needed tables, footnotes etc... I'd be all over that like white on
rice. Might try it anyway. Though I doubt it would save me as much effort
as you think. Because the smashwords meatgrinder is very picky about how
things are formatted. And leaving the tables and stuff out of it, almost all
formatting needs to be defined in paragraph styles. Any direct formatting,
aside from toggling italics, boldface, and underlining, that isn't done
with a paragraph style will cause errors.

For the kind of books that need tables and footnotes, there is another
process. But it's a lot more work, to manually make all the output epub,
mobi, etc... file formats that the meatgrinder would create. At least to
make them to the exacting standards that I'd need, if smashwords is going to
submit them to all those ebook retailers for me.

So I would most likely need to mark the entire mainmatter, and clear all
formatting, and then apply my carefully defined paragraph styles anyway.

But it would probably save me from having to manually create a working TOC.

And even if it doesn't save me any work on my smashwords submissions.
Sooner or later the ability to export to RTF will come in handy. So I thank
you very much for the suggestion.

> The main problem for me was setting the thing up. You need to ensure the rich
> text format is defined in Tools > Preferences > File Handling > File Formats
> and then set up a converter from latex to rtf. 
> 
> In my windows set up this is
> 
> c:/PROGRA~2/latex2rtf/latex2rt.exe -P c:progra~2/latex2rtf/cfg $$i
> 
> In linux, the paths will obviously be different. The critical part was the -P
> option which points latex2rtf to its cfg file.

Yeah, the paths would certainly be different. But Your post will get saved
to my linux-clues folder, so that I can find your helpful instructions when
I get around to setting that up.

Thanks

-- 
JtWdyP



Re: remove word from personal dictionary....

2016-07-01 Thread Joe

It would appear that on Jul 1, Charlie did say:

> There is no .dict in the whole of my /home directory.
>
> My spellchecker is Enchant.
>
> So, just to be certain as I could be. Ran a search through the entire
> hard drive, all directories, and came up with plenty of .dict - 94 in
> fact, but none that showed me where I might find the file I need.
>
> I'll just have to leave it as it is unless that drop down menu holds
> the key.

Hello Charlie. I may have a scrap of information that could help you...

I've been using LyX to write sci-fi stories for a while now and I needed to know
where my spellchecker words were saved. So I could have the script that opens 
my story
and related .lyx documents, swap out my regular spell checker file(s) for 
copies that
included the fictional words that are part of my story just before it opens my 
story
files with LyX. Then when I close that LyX session, my script swaps my regular
spellchecker files back in, so I don't accidentally include one of my "fictional
words" in a formal letter or something...

Anyway, since my copy of LyX 2.1.4 happens to be using enchant I checked my 
script
for the pathname of the file:

~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic

Then I fired up LyX 2.1.4 on a test file and added the non-word "blablabla" to 
my
word list, closed LyX and opened the above file with vim...
Where I found "blablabla" at the bottom of the file: ~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic

Needless to say, I promptly deleted that non-word from my word list.

Hope this helps

--
JtWdyP



Re: How do I copy text from LyX to xterm/rxvt?

2017-04-22 Thread Joe

It would appear that on Apr 21, Helge Hafting did say:

> Thanks to all who replied, indicating some sort of local problem.
> 
> I use the middle mouse button when I use the mouse to select, and that is more
> common. Especially when copying between programs, when I need the mouse to
> switch focus anyway. (Forget alt+tab with more than "a few" windows.)

Whereas my own experience is somewhat different. But then I use separate
desktop areas for unrelated open windows so alt+tab only has a few windows
to cycle. On the other hand I tend to have several related lyx files open,
but that's alt+v so there's no conflict.

> When one is used to the ease of middle clicking, reaching for the keyboard
> takes way too much time. And not all apps use the same cut/paste keys. Using a
> right-click menu is even worse.

I've never found middle clicking easy. Even when I once actually had a three
button mouse. Now using a 2 button trackball on the PC and the Dell laptop has
an oversensitive non-synaptic touchpad that won't let me disable tap to click. 
I'm always using a keybinding to switch desktop areas just so I can get the
laptop's mouse pointer somewhere near where I even might want a click event
before switching back to the appropriate desktop area.

As it happens, I'm rather dependent on that right click menu.

> The hassle of bringing up a menu and locating the right choice when I already 
> had my
> finger on the mouse button that always do the right thing.

The only time I don't find it a hassle to use mouse copy/paste techniques
is when I'm moving text to/from an xterm (or more likely kde's Konsole
which is one of the few kde applications I still use since kde4 chased me
away)

> I feel pain when I see beginners bringing up cut/paste menus on linux because 
> they're
> used to such cumbersome ways from windows.

I use those menus a lot. But not because I got used to it from -retch- windows
I've been running from windows since version 3x. Only ever use it when
forced to use proprietary software that doesn't run without it.

But then that's the beauty of Linux. There are so many different ways to
do things that different people with different skills aren't always forced
to do things the same way.
-- 
Joe


Re: all-inclusive file format

2017-07-28 Thread Joe

It would appear that on Jul 28, Hobbs,Tom did say:

> Goodness gracious. Just put everything in a folder and send that, which is
> precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. 

It would appear that on Jul 28, Roberto did say:

> On 28/07/2017 04:07, Hobbs,Tom wrote:
> > which is precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it.
> and that is precisely what I do not want to know about and I am bothered by :)

Pardon me for jumping in here. I use LyX primarily because it is NOT like MS 
Word or
other WYSIWYG word processors. In which environment I can't keep track of what 
I'm
doing without some feature I don't want automatically messing with what I'm 
doing.

Well that and the way it keeps me from accidentally fat fingering extra spaces 
between
words and a few other such things so that I can concentrate on what I'm writing
instead of how it looks.

Please please please don't make LyX more like Word. Please!

-- 
Joe <jtw...@gmx.com>



esub2acm.cls

2001-05-25 Thread joe joe

  I'm trying to use Lyx to create a document class for submission to an ACM 
journal.  LaTex2e files can be found at 
http://www.acm.org/pubs/submitting_accepted_articles/au_dl.htm#latex_unix 
(esub2acm.cls, as well as esub2acm.bst and a few example tex files).

  I've tried following the directions in Chapter 6 of the Customization 
guide, but have not been able to get this document class to show up in the 
Lyx Document Class dialog.

  The class installs and works fine with regular 'latex'.

  Anyone have any ideas for getting this to work?

  Thanks in advance,
Al
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esub2acm.cls

2001-05-25 Thread joe joe

  I'm trying to use Lyx to create a document class for submission to an ACM 
journal.  LaTex2e files can be found at 
http://www.acm.org/pubs/submitting_accepted_articles/au_dl.htm#latex_unix 
(esub2acm.cls, as well as esub2acm.bst and a few example tex files).

  I've tried following the directions in Chapter 6 of the Customization 
guide, but have not been able to get this document class to show up in the 
Lyx Document Class dialog.

  The class installs and works fine with regular 'latex'.

  Anyone have any ideas for getting this to work?

  Thanks in advance,
Al
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esub2acm.cls

2001-05-25 Thread joe joe

  I'm trying to use Lyx to create a document class for submission to an ACM 
journal.  LaTex2e files can be found at 
http://www.acm.org/pubs/submitting_accepted_articles/au_dl.htm#latex_unix 
(esub2acm.cls, as well as esub2acm.bst and a few example tex files).

  I've tried following the directions in Chapter 6 of the Customization 
guide, but have not been able to get this document class to show up in the 
Lyx Document Class dialog.

  The class installs and works fine with regular 'latex'.

  Anyone have any ideas for getting this to work?

  Thanks in advance,
Al
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Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on the 
child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the centre 
of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and the 
.eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the right 
content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex seems to be 
being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, and 
just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I don't 
think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with these 
particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe


Re: Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Aha,

I've got it. Just in case anyone else has the same problem, some option 
I was using on the (custom) latex document class was being passed 
through to the article class as the 'draft' option, which makes images 
disappear.


Joe

Joe Marshall wrote:

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on 
the child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the 
centre of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and 
the .eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the 
right content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex 
seems to be being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, 
and just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I 
don't think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with 
these particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe




windows unattended install flags/switches

2011-04-21 Thread Joe Kline
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Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find
regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch.

Are there any other switches/flags?

The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install.

Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a
form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc.
are installed so I won't need the complete installer.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

joe
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Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out
a few conference citations. To see where I've used them
(so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked)
I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries.

Is this possible in Lyx?

Thanks, Joe



Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
Thanks, that might help.
Joe





Powerdot and graphics

2013-06-12 Thread Joe Melton
Hello All,

I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that
 comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures 
in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the
 powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was 
hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything
 in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex.

The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it
 flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box 
but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was 
also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side
 in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then 
a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use 
of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe



Unicode in ERT inserts

2014-02-14 Thread Joe Lovick
Hi,

   So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode 
character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the 
character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation.

   a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D

   what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? 

   I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it 
strikes me that maybe i should  create a module that would present the 
functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering 
unicode within these blocks?

   is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a 
reference? i had a quick look but could find any.

 Cheers
Joe



Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on the 
child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the centre 
of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and the 
.eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the right 
content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex seems to be 
being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, and 
just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I don't 
think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with these 
particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe


Re: Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Aha,

I've got it. Just in case anyone else has the same problem, some option 
I was using on the (custom) latex document class was being passed 
through to the article class as the 'draft' option, which makes images 
disappear.


Joe

Joe Marshall wrote:

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on 
the child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the 
centre of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and 
the .eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the 
right content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex 
seems to be being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, 
and just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I 
don't think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with 
these particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe




windows unattended install flags/switches

2011-04-21 Thread Joe Kline
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Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find
regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch.

Are there any other switches/flags?

The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install.

Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a
form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc.
are installed so I won't need the complete installer.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

joe
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Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out
a few conference citations. To see where I've used them
(so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked)
I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries.

Is this possible in Lyx?

Thanks, Joe



Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
Thanks, that might help.
Joe





Powerdot and graphics

2013-06-12 Thread Joe Melton
Hello All,

I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that
 comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures 
in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the
 powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was 
hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything
 in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex.

The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it
 flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box 
but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was 
also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side
 in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then 
a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use 
of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe



Unicode in ERT inserts

2014-02-14 Thread Joe Lovick
Hi,

   So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode 
character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the 
character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation.

   a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D

   what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? 

   I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it 
strikes me that maybe i should  create a module that would present the 
functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering 
unicode within these blocks?

   is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a 
reference? i had a quick look but could find any.

 Cheers
Joe



Re: Paste becomes disabled after a while in Windows

2015-11-07 Thread Joe Philbrook

It would appear that on Nov 6, Richard Heck did say:

> As Vincent said, we'd LOVE to have more information about this bug. It seems 
> to happen only
> on some machines, so may have something to do with what other programs are 
> running, and so
> forth. If you can experiment at all along those lines, or even try to keep 
> track of what you
> did right before the problem arose, we'd really appreciate it.

I'm not sure if this is the same issue. But I've seen something similar on my 
Linux
box. I multi-boot so I can't be completely sure it was my Mageia 5 installation.
which is currently using LyX 2.1.3 as installed from mageia repos with urpmi.
There is a slim chance that I was using antiX or Opensuse when I noticed this. 
But
I'm usually using Mageia when I write.

I'm not so sure it ties into how long LyX has been running. But when it happens 
the
only available paste option is the paste recent one. In my case it seems to 
have more
to do with where I copied/cut the contents of the clipboard from. Usually it 
happens
when I use an online dictionary to confirm that I've got the right word. 
Typically I
keep browser tabs open to vocabulary.com & yourdictionary.com...
Once I'm sure I have the word I want to use I tend to copy it to the clipboard 
rather
than risk mistyping it when I switch back to LyX.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes it won't let me paste it. Which can start 
happening
just as soon as I start LyX. But for certain, once it starts happening, it 
doesn't
spontaneously resume working correctly.

What I found always works is to switch to a blank leafpad document. Which will 
let me
paste the word that LyX wouldn't. Then markall {^a} and cut {^x} switch back to 
LyX,
which never refuses to let me paste something from a plain text document.

If I used windows, I'd probably try walking the text through notepad or some 
such.

-- 
JtWdyP



Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on the 
child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the centre 
of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and the 
.eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the right 
content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex seems to be 
being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, and 
just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I don't 
think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with these 
particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe


Re: Images in child documents?

2007-11-14 Thread Joe Marshall

Aha,

I've got it. Just in case anyone else has the same problem, some option 
I was using on the (custom) latex document class was being passed 
through to the article class as the 'draft' option, which makes images 
disappear.


Joe

Joe Marshall wrote:

Hi all,

This is probably something stupid, but I've been fiddling for ages 
trying to get it to work.


I have 1 master document, containing 3 child documents.

The child documents each contain a few jpg images. If I view DVI on 
the child documents, the images show up fine.


When I do Ctrl+D / view DVI on the master document, instead of each 
image, there is a blank frame with the name of a .eps file in the 
centre of it.


I've checked in the temp directory it appears to be using ( in this case
C:\DOCUME~1\Us\LOCALS~1\Temp\lyx_tmpdir2136a02468\lyx_tmpbuf0 ), and 
the .eps files are there, correctly generated from the .jpg, with the 
right content inside them (they open fine in ghostview). The latex 
seems to be being generated correctly as far as I can see.


So, where are my images going? Any ideas?

I've tested with 3 brand new documents with the same document class, 
and just one image in each child document, and it works fine, so I 
don't think it's my install, I think it must be something to do with 
these particular documents, but I can't find anything obvious.


Joe




windows unattended install flags/switches

2011-04-21 Thread Joe Kline
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Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find
regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch.

Are there any other switches/flags?

The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install.

Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a
form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc.
are installed so I won't need the complete installer.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

joe
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Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out
a few conference citations. To see where I've used them
(so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked)
I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries.

Is this possible in Lyx?

Thanks, Joe



Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references

2010-09-12 Thread Joe Wright
Thanks, that might help.
Joe





Powerdot and graphics

2013-06-12 Thread Joe Melton
Hello All,

I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that
 comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures 
in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the
 powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was 
hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything
 in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex.

The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it
 flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box 
but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was 
also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side
 in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then 
a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use 
of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe



Unicode in ERT inserts

2014-02-14 Thread Joe Lovick
Hi,

   So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode 
character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the 
character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation.

   a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D

   what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? 

   I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it 
strikes me that maybe i should  create a module that would present the 
functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering 
unicode within these blocks?

   is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a 
reference? i had a quick look but could find any.

 Cheers
Joe



Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}

2016-08-31 Thread Joe Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 31, Scott Kostyshak did say:

> Hi Joe,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 05:22:43PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, First let me say I'm addicted to LyX for composing almost anything I 
> > care about.
> > It helps keep me from fat fingering multiple spaces between words etc... 
> > And lets me set screen
> > font sizes I can see without my reading glasses even when the targeted 
> > output font sizes are
> > too small for my eyes WITH the glasses... The list goes on and on... Thanks!
> 
> Thanks for the kind feedback!
> 

Your most welcome.

==

> > When I use the spellchecker in LyX and the word I'm looking for is in the 
> > sUggestions list I'm
> > very happy cause there is no conflict for the {alt}+{u} shortcut that lets 
> > me use the cursor
> > keys to select it and {Enter} to apply the spelling correction.
> > 
> > But if I need to tell it to ignore an instance where a character in a story 
> > is being quoted as
> > saying something not in the dictionary lists {Think Homer Simpson saying 
> > "Doh"} That I may want
> > to Ignore. Or perhaps I wanted to use an unusual word such as hisself 
> > instead of himself
> > because it's "In character" for the character being quoted and wish to aDd 
> > it to my word list.
> > And while I never use it, the same problem exists for the "Find next" 
> > button.
> > So I was hoping there was a way to selectively change the keybindings on 
> > those buttons to
> > something that doesn't conflict with the menu bar bindings.

==

> If I understand correctly, there is no way to customize the buttons from
> user text files. But the changes you suggest seem useful more generally
> so perhaps we could incorporate them into LyX by default.
> 
> You could make a request for us to make changes at
> http://www.lyx.org/trac
> 
> If you have multiple suggestions, please make separate trac tickets
> (although feel free to reference each other).

OK, This would be worth the effort. Hopefully I can write such a request clearly
enough...

Though I'm not sure if you mean incorporate different "preset shortcuts" for 
these
buttons, or to incorporate a method for the user to select the shortcuts they 
prefer.
Those users who would find this most useful would be the ones who, for one 
reason or
another, avoid using the mouse. They, like me, would tend to collect a lot of
personal keyboard shortcuts. And it would be nice to know that I could keep the 
new ones
from conflicting with any of the "global" keybindings in my 
~/.config/openbox/rc.xml...

Though admittedly, in my case, if they consist of just {alt}+{almost any single 
key}
I wouldn't have such a conflict because most of my global shortcuts require at 
least
two modifier keys.

It also occurs to me that there might be a way to simply cause those 
spellchecker
button's keybindings to preempt the ones in the menu bar while the spellchecker 
is
active. Not being a programmer {aside from bash scripts} I wouldn't know which 
of
those three possible fixes is more practical to implement.

Nor am I certain that three different suggested solutions to the SAME problem 
would
require three separate trac tickets??

Also I'd like to think that it would be OK to put all three of the affected 
spellchecker
buttons on the same ticket??

Please tell me that I'm not looking at (3 x 3 = 9) nine trac tickets here...

-- 
   Joe Philbrook   (:-0%


Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}

2016-09-02 Thread Joe Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 31, Scott Kostyshak did say:

> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 07:39:34PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote:
> 
> > Please tell me that I'm not looking at (3 x 3 = 9) nine trac tickets here...
> 
> Good point. I don't have general advice on what topics should be
> grouped. If they are topics that shoudl be addressed all at once and it
> would be silly to address one and not the other, then I think such a
> group of issues should be in one ticket. Just make your best guess.

 Ticket #10357 (new enhancement) 

 How did I do?

 -- 
 Joe


Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}

2016-09-03 Thread Joe Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 2, Scott Kostyshak did say:

> On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 09:52:13PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote:
> > 
> >  Ticket #10357 (new enhancement) 
> > 
> >  How did I do?
> 
> Looks good! I removed the keywords since we use a fixed set, which is
> described here:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/TicketKeywords
> 
> I also categorized the bug as "dialogs".

 Thanks for making it more presentable...
 
> By the way, do you have any experience programming and could perhaps
> propose a patch if we decide what direction we want to go on this?

Not unless bash scripting counts.

> Thanks for making the ticket.

It was actually much easier to do than I expected.

-- 
Joe


spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}

2016-08-23 Thread Joe Philbrook

Hi, First let me say I'm addicted to LyX for composing almost anything I care 
about.
It helps keep me from fat fingering multiple spaces between words etc... And 
lets me set screen
font sizes I can see without my reading glasses even when the targeted output 
font sizes are
too small for my eyes WITH the glasses... The list goes on and on... Thanks!

However my problem with the spellchecker dialog's keybindings have More to do 
with my
own dexterity issues that have always made using the mouse difficult at best. 
And with carpel
tunnel issues that often make mouse based methods painful. {Don't know why I'm 
able to keyboard
for hours before my hands go numb, but the mouse can do it in just a few 
minutes. But the
result is I'm addicted to keyboard shortcuts and keyboard accessible menu based 
methods.

When I use the spellchecker in LyX and the word I'm looking for is in the 
sUggestions list I'm
very happy cause there is no conflict for the {alt}+{u} shortcut that lets me 
use the cursor
keys to select it and {Enter} to apply the spelling correction.

But if I need to tell it to ignore an instance where a character in a story is 
being quoted as
saying something not in the dictionary lists {Think Homer Simpson saying "Doh"} 
That I may want
to Ignore. Or perhaps I wanted to use an unusual word such as hisself instead 
of himself
because it's "In character" for the character being quoted and wish to aDd it 
to my word list.
And while I never use it, the same problem exists for the "Find next" button.

Lately my problems with mouse operation have been getting worse:

It can take me over a minute to maneuver the "dag nabbed" rodent pointing 
device over the correct
"durned" button... And the button keybindings indicated by the underscored 
character on the
button label (AKA: {alt}+{f}, {alt}+{i} and {alt}+{d}) instead activate the 
File, Insert or
Document menu choices... {sigh}

So I was hoping there was a way to selectively change the keybindings on those 
buttons to
something that doesn't conflict with the menu bar bindings.

I use the standard user interface with the cua bind file.

I've looked in Tools > Preferences > shortcuts and the only spellchecker 
related shortcut I can
find is the {F7} to start the spellchecking function {which I do NOT want to 
change}

Even though more advanced methods {if any} of modifying LyX's keybindings are 
beyond my
understanding, I've looked for clues in Help > LyX Functions, Help > Shortcuts 
without
finding anything that looks like the add word or ignore word spellchecker 
button functions to me.

I also did a less /usr/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind

But I didn't see anything that looked like it there either.

I probably should mention that I multi-boot three different Linux distros that 
share the
same data partition with whichever version of LyX is in their repos.  Only one 
of them
is bleeding edge enough to have lyx 2.2.x The other 2 have LyX 2.1.x. And since 
one of
the reasons I multi-boot is I've been known to to bork an installed Linux so 
bad that it can
take me weeks to get X running again and it's such a pain to remember to 
lyx2lyx the updated
*.lyx back to lyxformat 474 {while hoping I didn't accidentally use some new 
feature that
doesn't convert back cleanly} THEN until either Mageia or Opensuse add LyX 
2.2.x to their repos
I'll avoid using LyX in my rolling release antiX installation in favor of the 
LyX 2.1.x
installed to my Mageia Linux or my Opensuse Leap Linux installations.

Usually Opensuse Leap where it's currently LyX 2.1.5...

Is there a reliable way to "push" those buttons with the 
keyboard

I don't know if it matters but a LONG time ago I selected to run the 
spellchecker in the
{docked?} sidebar instead of free floating because I need to actually see the 
context to for
example notice if it's Homer saying "Doh" or an actual typo, and using the 
mouse to move the
floating spellchecker dialog out of the way is even more difficult than getting 
the {expletive
deleted} rodent to point at the button long enough for my hands to click on 
it...

Thanks

-- 
   Joe Philbrook   <jtw...@gmx.com>   (:-0%


picture environment

2021-01-15 Thread Joe Babb
I am trying to use Lyx to document some math and electronics and I need to
place a block diagram into my document.  I can draw the diagram in a
separate program and insert the jpg into Lyx, but what I'd rather do is
draw it directly in Lyx and be able to place Greek characters in each box.
I used to use Latex years ago and have the fourth edition of Guide to Latex
which talks about the picture environment.  But I find no picture
environment in Lyx.  I read on the Internet about typing an M-x somewhere
to get to insert commands directly but can't get that to work.  I keep
wanting to work in the code preview pane to insert Latex code directly but
can't.  Is it possible at all in Lyx to to a block diagram?
thanks,
Joe
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Re: picture environment

2021-01-16 Thread Joe Babb
Thanks for all the recommendations.  For what I want to do at this time,
which is very simple, I think the picture environment will work okay.
I tried the diagrams.net and it was very simple to draw my block diagram,
but when saved as pdf it did not want to import into Lyx.  I saved it as
svg and
looked at in my my Rhino3D drawing program and found it to be huge and had
to scale it way way down.  I think that eventually I'll want to try
Tikz/pgf and I looked into it and realize that there is a learning curve.
So I'll stick with simple for now.  In fact, I think I'm going to go back
to plain old Latex that I used several years ago.  I feel like I can know
what's going on better.
Incidentally, I don't have a good understanding of how this group works so
I hope I'm responding in a good way.  My apologies if not.  I seem to be
getting messages about other issues that I'm not interested in also.
Joe

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:17 AM Baris Erkus  wrote:

> On 15-Jan-21 9:21 PM, Joe Babb wrote:
>
> I am trying to use Lyx to document some math and electronics and I need to
> place a block diagram into my document.  I can draw the diagram in a
> separate program and insert the jpg into Lyx, but what I'd rather do is
> draw it directly in Lyx and be able to place Greek characters in each box.
> I used to use Latex years ago and have the fourth edition of Guide to
> Latex which talks about the picture environment.  But I find no picture
> environment in Lyx.  I read on the Internet about typing an M-x somewhere
> to get to insert commands directly but can't get that to work.  I keep
> wanting to work in the code preview pane to insert Latex code directly but
> can't.  Is it possible at all in Lyx to to a block diagram?
> thanks,
> Joe
>
> Normally, you can insert any LaTeX code (including picture environment)
> using Ctrl-L  or Insert -> TeX Code. This is called "ERT" in LyX AFAIK.
>
> Since you want to write your code for graphics, I would recommend Tikz/pgf
> for general sketches, instead of the old-school picture environment. Of
> course, Some other WYSIWYG tools maybe more faster to generate some
> specific graphics (e.g. the type of diagrams you want in your document)
> without LaTeX coding, but I find Tikz quite powerful to invest in.
>
> CTAN says "PGF is a macro package for creating graphics. It is platform-
> and format-independent and works together with the most important TEX
> backend drivers, including pdfTEX and dvips. It comes with a user-friendly
> syntax layer called TikZ"
>
> So, inclusion of LaTeX  math is straightforward in Tikz, while other tools
> may need some tricks to get full benefits of LaTeX. Tikz has some many
> packages, maybe one of them is good for your diagrams. Please look at the
> Pgf/Tikz manual.
>
> One recommendation here tough: Do not write your graphics code in LyX.
> Generate it outside with regular LaTeX, and save your image as PDF. Then,
> include the PDF into the LyX as figure. The issue with including the
> graphics code in LyX is that, compilation times will get longer, and it
> would be difficult to find the errors in your code as you have more
> graphics and you have more text. Moreover, you will find out that the ERT
> coding environment is not very user friendly as your figure gets
> complicated, as it was not intended to develop code in there. I have done
> this before, and I have found myself testing the code with LaTeX outside
> LyX to find the errors. Therefore, LaTeX editors are better for this
> purpose (e.g. TeXmaker, TeXstudio, even Notepad++).
>
> If you want to give a try, I have attached two files: one for the figure
> and the other one is for the settings. Compile sample.tex with latex and
> you have your figure as PDF, ready to insert into LyX.
>
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Re: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Lyx on LiveCD

2008-02-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Feb 14, Sven Hoexter did say:

  I'm typically windows user and use Lyx 1.5.3 on windows.
  
  I need make Tex docs anywhere independently on PC Is there
  LiveCD distro with Lyx 1.5.3?
 
 I'm sorry I don't know one. Since 1.5.3 is not that old
 and wasn't released with any stable release of one of the
 big distributions it would be suprising to find it
 anywhere on a Live CD.

I don't know about a Live CD per say...

But I do know that Fedora Core 8 has Lyx 1.5.3. I used the install dvd
and I don't remember having to yum install lyx. Though I probably used
the pre-install customization screens to select it. And it is possible
that I ran a generic yum update and got an updated lyx along with many
other packages. But I *think* lyx 1.5.3 was on the dvd...

The reason I mention this is that according to:

http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora

There are fedora 8 LIVE downloads available...


Under the heading Fedora Desktop Live Media is listed:

* i686 - Live CD
* x86_64 - Live DVD
* ppc - Live DVD

Under the heading Fedora KDE Live Media is listed:

* i686 - Live CD
* x86_64 - Live DVD

I have doubts about lyx being on the live cds (only 700 meg)
But if these other machines can run a 64 bit os, or if the ppc
version will work for the OP, then with over 4 gig of space
on the live dvds, they had room to include it.

Of course your mileage may vary...

Hope this helps.


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how can I adapt documents for LARGE PRINT versions?

2008-05-01 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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I like the idea of letting LyX keep track of font sizes and such so I
can focus on what I mean rather than on how it looks on paper.

If I can only choose the right words, LyX will make it look pretty.

I could for example write a book or a family news letter that looks good
printed on standard 8.5x 11 stock. And then decide to change the
document settings for paper size and the output will still look good on
6x9 paper.

If I were however to use LyX write a book with chapters, footnotes, etc.
I'd like to know I could easily tell LyX to format output for weaker eyes
without destroying all the relative font size differences that it so
wisely set up for me while I concentrated on content instead of worrying
about it's printed appearance.

And if for example I wrote a family news letter to send to all the
extended family members in my addressbook. Including my older sister who
often can't find her glasses. Who gets the large print edition of the
readers digest simply because she doesn't need to find her glasses to
read it. I could select all the standard text sections and force the
font style to use larger font size.

Though that might result in section headings that no longer look larger
than the paragraph text. And if the intended appearance of the newsletter
were to already include places where for example some anecdotic incident
or other was either emphasized and or trivialized via a font size of
M-s l or M-s s Then each of them would have to again be customized
relative to whatever size I just forced the surrounding standard text to
be enlarged to So if the standard text was enlarged via M-s l Then the
anecdote that was emphasized with that setting would need M-s L And the
one that was trivialized with M-s s might need to be resized with
M-s n etc...

Then if I wanted a hard copy that even my eyes I could read without my
glasses I'd probably have to force all the standard text to an even
larger size with M-s L which would, for relative consistency, lead to
having to recustomize the anecdotic material with M-s 8 or M-s l etc...

If I gotta do all that I might do as well to write the stuff with open
office where I expect to micro-manage such changes. But I won't, I'd
rather use LyX. 

Then I realized that there was a document setting called base size.
Unfortunately it seems that the range of possible base sizes range only
from 10 to 12 pt sizes. I suspect this is because the prevailing wisdom
for professional writing is that a business letter should be in 10 pt
type and anything much larger just makes the output look wrong.
But if it were possible to set a base size of say 18 pt I could take ANY
LyX document that looked presentable to non-visually impaired recipients
with a default base size.  And simply applying a base size of 18 I could
then generate reasonable looking output for those of us who simply didn't
eat enough carrots when we were kids.

But since the maximum base size is only 12 pts, I gotta ask if I'm
missing some obvious technique to easily convert a document for a large
print edition without micro managing or losing all the relative font
sizes??? 


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Re: how can I adapt documents for LARGE PRINT versions?

2008-05-02 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on May 1, William Adams did say:

 On May 1, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  But since the maximum base size is only 12 pts, I gotta ask if I'm
  missing some obvious technique to easily convert a document for a large
  print edition without micro managing or losing all the relative font
  sizes???
 
 Peter Wilson's Memoir documentclass has support for up to 17 pt. type.
 It also has support for a number of different pagesizes (as well as the
 ability to define them pretty easily)

See my reply to Marcelo's koma-script suggestion for why tweaking the
document classes isn't really in my gameplan...

But I'm beginning to think that the base size range limits I was
lamenting about isn't so much hard coded into LyX as perhaps dependent
on the installed document classes??? 

 using b5, making a .pdf and using Acrobat's ability to
 scale .pdfs for display on-screen or print will get one
 quite large type.

Now that's an interesting concept... 

I can't say I'm fond of the idea of using an actual adobe proprietary
tool on my linux box. (I much prefer open source stuff)... 

But do you know if the linux version of acrobat is willing to print the
zoomed image as displayed rather than printing the original unscaled
image??? Maybe I'll have to make an exception and install it... Or
better yet if by chance you know of an open source linux pdf viewer that
will print the scaled image, I'd rather try that first.

I ask cause I already tried using a custom page size of 4.25x5.5 and
then using kpdf to zoom the resulting pdf to 200% but printed output
wasn't scaled...


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Re: how can I adapt documents for LARGE PRINT versions?

2008-05-02 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on May 1, Marcelo Acuña did say:

 koma-script book have more options for fonts sizes.
 regards

Well that is interesting. A quick goggle search on koma-script
leads me to believe that it's a comprehensive package that I'm unlikely
to use until/unless it becomes a default package configuration by the
implementations of LyX included in the default repositories of the
various linux distros I use. (#see below)

But thanks for the suggestion. Incidentally if I should ever get the time
to actually install koma-script to one or more of my LyX installations,
will I be able to use it to easily increase/decrease the relative font
sizes of an entire existing document without all the individual
resizing I described in my initial post???

  # I use multiple linux distros in self defense, I seldom
  # break more than one of them at a time, and keeping at
  # least 3 in my grub boot menu gives me a good chance to
  # continue doing what I NEED to until I get the time to
  # reinstall whatever distro I broke... Or at least it's rare
  # that the same functions and or applications are broke on
  # all of them at the same time.
  # 
  # Keeping multiple distro's even reasonably up to date is
  # hard without depending heavily on package management tools
  # And frankly I'm to busy trying to use my PC to do stuff
  # (like writing LyX documents) instead of tweaking the
  # configs any more than I have to. And if I got used to
  # having koma-script in one of the installed LyX's I'd need
  # it in all of them because I work from which ever one I
  # booted that day... My *.lyx files are kept on a user owned
  # partition that gets mounted in the same place for my
  # normal user account regardless of which distro I'm using...



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Re: how can I adapt documents for LARGE PRINT versions?

2008-05-04 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on May 3, Helge Hafting did say:
{# liberally snipped...}

 koma-script is a standard part of texlive, which is a popular tex
 distribution for some linux distributions.
 
 If you have debian, then apt-get install texlive-latex-recommended
 is what you need to get koma-script.

Then I suppose that I could work on a document with the lyx provided by
whichever distro I'm using. And when I want a large print version I
could at least modify a copy of it in my kubuntu environment... Thankyou
for the package name. ;)
 
 As for printing a document with different font sizes:
 The normal way is to select a different font size.
 If that is not possible, then you can redefine
 the font sizes latex use ( \small, \big, \footnotesize,
 and so on. There are a couple of handfuls of these, no more.
 If you redefine these, then the whole document changes accordingly.

OK so if I can find the instructions to redefine said font sizes along
with a list of the font designations listing their default font sizes,
I could redefine them all for a value of ($defaultvalue * 1.5) and then
produce the large print output... ??? !!! ???

 This way is some work, but it is definitely less than changing *every*
 paragraph in a big document. The amount of work is independent of
 document size, no more work for a long book than for a 3-page report.

So if this is perhaps something I do with ERT commands I could embed a
comment with the appropriate ERT command form, with the values that produced
the most agreeable large print output, in all my documents. Then when I'd
want a large print version All I'd have to do would be to copy the
content of the comment to an ERT box at the beginning of the document
before producing the large print output, and then simply delete the ERT
box when I want to revert to a more normal print size??? 

If so it would be worth a month of Sundays worth of work to refine
the ERT command! Hmmnn, Is the redefining of the latex font size values
independent of the koma-script package? Cause if so this solution would
likely provide for an ERT command that would work in all my linux
environments... Which makes the idea priceless... Thankyou! 

Is there perhaps, an easy to follow how-to somewhere for this technique of
redefining the font sizes? {drool drool}

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Re: how can I adapt documents for LARGE PRINT versions?

2008-05-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on May 5, Helge Hafting did say:
# also snipped...

 Yes. Rather than delete an ERT box, just put a %-sign at the start of each
 line
 inside. That disables it, it is then easy to enable again later by
 removing the %-signs.

Yeah! That would probably make more sense. Hmmnn. if % comments out a
line of latex code in the ERT box like # does in a bash script then I'm
thinking I could add a commented first few lines that say what the ERT
box is for.  Including a line that says:
% uncomment the lines below this one to enable ERT box 

Then I wouldn't even need a comment box at all...

   Hmmnn, Is the redefining of the latex font size values
  independent of the koma-script package? 
 This sort of thing can be done with any document class.

A reason to learn how to do it this way as well as to enable those other
document classes.

  Is there perhaps, an easy to follow how-to somewhere for this technique
  of redefining the font sizes? {drool drool}
 Not that I know of - I wouldn't consider this an easy way. You would
 have to read up on latex commands. Might be interesting if you're into
 programming, or have a special interest for typography. Or it could be
 a big headache .  . .

OK I'm now convinced that the ability to use latex commands to
accomplish things like this is worth the time I'll have to spend
trying to learn some latex. But that's going to take a while...

 The easy way is to use document class: book/article/report (more font
 sizes)
 which allows font sizes up to 20pt to be selected in
 document-settings-fonts
 
 I.e. if you already use article, switch to article (more font sizes).
 If you already use book, switch to book (more font sizes) and so on.
 This works with the released lyx 1.5.4, and the upcoming lyx 1.6
 
 There is also document class book (memoir) that allows font sizes up to
 17 pt.
 On debian, and probably ubuntu, this stuff becomes
 available if you install the package texlive-latex-recommended. You may
 also have to use tools-reconfigure in LyX, and then restart LyX so
 that LyX will know about the new available document classes.

Yes that did get the (more font sizes) document classes activated on
my desktop's kubuntu installation...

 There are some advantages to using a document class over
 redefining the font sizes. This is so because font sizes only is
 part of the typography. There are also such things as margin sizes,
 distances between heading and the following paragraph, distance
 between figures and text, spacing in lists, math sizes, and so on. 
 Many of these adapt to the font size in use, but not necessarily all.
 A document class with extra font sizes should take care
 of everything though.
 
 If you want easy - definitely go for a document class that supports
 many font sizes. Then you are sure everything will work and look good too.
  
Using the freshly texlive enhanced kubuntu copy of lyx on the desktop
I opened an old book class doc that output 7 page pdf doc changed the
class to book (more font sizes) and then the base size from 12 to 17 and
output 8 page pdf... So I have a quick 'easy' fix. At least for my
kubuntu environments. 

 One can also get interesting results with ERT boxes, but they
 are meant for experts. There is a bigger risk of problems, from
 ugliness that needs more ERT (or micromanagement) to fix, to
 documents that doesn't print and need debugging. The latter is
 not fun when it happens late in the evening. :-/

Yeah, Though the more things I _CAN_ micromanage with ugly red text the
better I'll like it. In fact, even though I knew when I first became
interested in LyX that it would be a long time before I had much time to
spend on learning latex, it was the fact that one can override lyx with
embedded latex commands that convinced my to start using lyx...

I've never been happy with the idea of depending on whoever is
developing/maintaining a gui package to keep the parts I count
on, in the package... So the way LyX uses LaTeX, and incorporates
the idea of embedding actual LaTeX commands, while letting me do
almost anything I might have done with a word processor without having
to already know LaTeX is the main reason I do more with it than
OOffice... 

Thank you for the help and pointers. 

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LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 that the spell
checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm
spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘alt+U’ to
select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell
checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word
completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so
that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’
for spell checking...

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
  This is worse than those
  distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
  under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
  from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘alt+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
 
  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
  preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
  but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
  checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
  button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
  “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
  button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
  my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
  I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
  “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
  “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
  “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
  
  IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
  I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove 
  it...
 
 To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck 
 continuously
 you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
 I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
 remove 
 a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
 Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home 
 directory
 below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
going to need to understand this... 

You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
«.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
I've been working on... This serves two purposes:

1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
   during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
   booted.

2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
   me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
   this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
   fictional words when I'm writing something else...

So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???

¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???

Thanks

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

  You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
   
  WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
 
 On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
  vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
  my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
  frequent crashes...
 
 You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).
 

OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while
relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the
relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then.

 NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is
   installed to test this { the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not
   sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move
   this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol
   {perhaps an o} that's next to the little x marked button that
   would close it. This appears to undock  and redock the sidebar so
   that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. 

   Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse.
   But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only
   tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main 
   text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does
   when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does
   little to help me spot the context I need to review...

  Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
  to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
  keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...
 
 Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me
comfortable with the new spellchecker interface.

Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another
sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box
of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar
doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from
calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’,
and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, 
‘Add’ buttons???

Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive,  sometimes
problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every
time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker
dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm
sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well.

Thanks anyway...

Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification
made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please
tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch
Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... 

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
  the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
  going to need to understand this... 
  
  You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
  «.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
  personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
  I've been working on... This serves two purposes:
  
  1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
booted.
  
  2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
fictional words when I'm writing something else...
  
  So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
  looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
  special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
  aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???
  
  ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
  swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
  added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
  would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???
 
 Sorry, I don't understand.
 
 You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the 
 answer.
 Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very 
 creative
 or at least not so common.

That's true enough. But until you told me that personal word list was
located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this.
And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary
files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning
the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I
thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com
directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a
personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of
4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script
may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg
(which is also the working title of the story involved...)
 
 You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because 
 there is
 no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And 
 the author
 of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not 
 acceptable to
 search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO.

Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first
time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary.

 To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to 
 be changed.
 The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one 
 can add
 words locally or globally. But this is not done already.

Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict
file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format
of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps
a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved...

Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that
plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother
modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex
the very next week...

May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's
word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a
good thing to also add an export to aspell choice that also provides an
“are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is
made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list.

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|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net#! /bin/bash
echo
echo  you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current
echo konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory...
echo
echo Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running
echo   mc in it (hint use ^O to verify) then you should abort...
echo
echo  press enter to continue
echo   -or-
echo  use ^c to abort
echo
read dummy
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# wordlists...
# test if can filter copy by greping for BranchCritter
grepout=`grep BranchCritter /home/jtwdyp/.aspell.en.pws`
if [ $grepout

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the
spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0???

Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository?

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on
the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of
the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.

At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system
upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS
installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard
shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope}
perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package
maintainers.

I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody
said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays
are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface,
it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut
issues than are aware of it. (simply because they click on the buttons
rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.)

The shortcut issues I'm having are:

1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. 
To
   actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the 
mouse.

2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the
   sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width.
   To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little x marked button in the
   upper right hand corner.
   Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the
   document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width.
   But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard.
   And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected
   the Spellcheck Continuously setting...

If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX...

Please tell me!

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say:

 On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I may be a bit too dependent on
  the various package management systems on my installed distros but 
  most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.
 
 I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management
 systems on a distro.  I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long
 --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it
 wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if
 you oppose its wishes.
 
 I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy).
 
  The shortcut issues I'm having are:
 
  1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull 
  down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the
  button with the mouse.
 
  2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
  3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
 I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue
 about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). 

I'll by that, I'm using E17...

 If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous
 spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now),
 you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all.

That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers
quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have
difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball
than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much
aggravation.

Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that
instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly
underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are
enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm
typing new content...  


 Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window,

{whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna
be stuck with the mouse. 

 or changed to avoid the conflicts.  

Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add
button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or
give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the Replace All button
couldn't use the A anymore. And so on... A better solution would be
perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is
pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell
checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window.

 This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts.  I use cua with a
 few additions (not conflicting with these commands).

Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar
doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember
if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of
the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking
it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting
highlighted...

 One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can
 use the shortcuts.  But typically the focus would be on the main window, and
 since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu.  So you have to
 use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the
 spellchecker window.

{whimper}

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LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal
writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with
that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to
cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. 

Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker
responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with
the ones in the pull down menu.  There doesn't appear to be a way to get
rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the
mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise
that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around.

I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I
don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do
with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English.

Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he
thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns
to his friend and says: Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby! 

Now if that were actually part of my story, say in chapter 3, I'd have taken
care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so
that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this
by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like:

Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line
Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line

Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop
spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be
fine.

Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those
gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly
discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some
questionable word in chapter 3... sigh Even this wouldn't be so bad
except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious
than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them
I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that
couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. 

IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
skip around the document???

I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
to.

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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

 IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
 document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
 skip around the document???
 
 I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
 damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
 Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
 to.

While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
and dirty work around...

First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 

Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
marker lines...

This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

  Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
  the first marker and press F7...

 Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the
 spell checker does not detect the word gabaggge as misspelled and wraps
 around instead? Perhaps you've used Ignore all instead of the Ignore 
 button?

Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
gabaggge word, I had not.)

  Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd
  instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine.
  Well that doesn't work anymore. 

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff
 
  IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
  document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
  skip around the document???
 
 You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around.

Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge
marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  

 And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
 But there is an enhancement request already: 
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511

Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
is no longer reliable. 

I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread
there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that
when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text
for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the
remaining corrections...

I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every
time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux
installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package
manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon
Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on
PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2...

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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-26 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
  gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
  ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
  gabaggge word, I had not.)
 
 Ignore All adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for
 the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary.
 And I think it should stop at the second word gabaggge in any case
 except when you did ignore it for the current session.

OK let me be a little more specific...

I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously
added the gabaggge word to the word list by mistake. But the fact
that I positioned the cursor AFTER the gabaggge word before pressing
F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in
a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all
the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed
F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the
gabaggge word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was
correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted
spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the
gabaggge word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker
button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the gabaggge word in
the spellchecker's crosshairs... 


  You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping 
  around.
  
  Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
  spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
  was actually on the first character of the first line after the 
  gabaggge
  marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
  position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
  found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
  the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
  only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  
 
 The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO.
 When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7
 should start over there.

Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, I
didn't change the cursor position to them.

The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if
a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in
which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker,  use ^X to cut the
questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a
browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the
dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition.
At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard,
change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the
corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that
word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and
press F7 again...  

  And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
  But there is an enhancement request already: 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511
  
  Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
  be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
  beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
  could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
  is no longer reliable.
 
 It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually.

Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't.

The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm
spellchecking is as I described above. 

But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I
spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report.
And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard,
And then pasting it into an otherwise empty  .lyx file, does get me a way
to reliably spellcheck the text.

And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a
reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. 

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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say:

 Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042
 »Adding language none« you could tell LyX to ignore the
 non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking.

I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc
an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need
to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names
that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if
something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still
want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes
nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm
not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a
forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I
close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever
GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day.

But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting
the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it
there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker
lines...

So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the
new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. 

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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
 and dirty work around...
 
 First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
 spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
 deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 
 
 Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
 switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
 marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
 file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
 return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
 marker lines...
 
 This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW...

One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar
doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way
to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it.
{I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer
coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little x long
enough to click on it...}

Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains
the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first
pressing ctrl+home Then F7 so when it gets to the end of the garbage
file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I
didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end
of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away.
{You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion
should go away by itself every time spell checking is escapeed out of... So
that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would
push the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the
hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} 

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fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-07 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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I'm using lyx 1.3.7 on kubuntu linux (Dapper)

I started with the included letter template which I modified the margins
etc... for a NON business letter to my brother.

Then I used it to play with the fancy header example in the Extended
features manual. It took me a while to figure out that I couldn't use
\lhead{Section \thesection} in the letter if I wanted stable results...

Question 1 of 3

Why is the header/footer suppressed on page 1? That is how can I get
headers and/or footers to output on the first page???


Question 2 of 3

Evidently \rhead{Page \thepage} yields: Page $currentpage
But how would I get Page $currentpage of $pagecount???

That is page 1 of 3, page 2 of 3, Page 3 of 3 etc...


Question 3 of 3

Is there a list of {key words?} that can be used to insert values into
header/footers such as

/thepage   current output page number
/today Today's date
etc...

Much thanks in advance.




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Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-09 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 8, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Question 1 of 3
  
  Why is the header/footer suppressed on page 1? That is how can I get
  headers and/or footers to output on the first page???

 Because you changed the page style for normal pages,
 and the first page isn't normal in this case.

Yeah that figures...

 Usually, the first page is either a chapter page (if
 your document style support chapters) or a title
 page. Lyx does not suppot changing the chapter/title
 page styles directly.  You may use ERT
 to set \chapterpagestyle to fancy if you wish.
 Note that some document styles don't use
 chapterpagestyle or titlepagestyle, they have other ways.
 
 Usually, \thispagestyle{fancy} will do the trick though.
 Make sure you put this ERT somewhere on the page you want changed.

Thanks for the prompt reply and the informative suggestion. However I
get an error message when I try this. As it happens the document I used
to try to do this with says:
\textclass letter

But when I try to insert either chapterpagestyle or thispagestyle
by, for example, changing this:
snip
\layout Opening

Dear Jim,
\layout Standard

Well Hello Jim.
snip

To this:
snip
\layout Opening

Dear Jim,
\layout Standard

\thispagestyle{fancy}

Well Hello Jim.
snip

What I get on opening the doc with lyx is An error pop-up that says:

Textclass Loading Error!

Encountered unknown token
When reading [filename]

Since the only place in my document's control codes I see braces {}
I also tried:
snip
\thispagestyle fancy
snip
With the same results (sigh!)

Any other suggestions?

  Question 2 of 3
  
  Evidently \rhead{Page \thepage} yields: Page $currentpage
  But how would I get Page $currentpage of $pagecount???
  
  That is page 1 of 3, page 2 of 3, Page 3 of 3 etc...

 Simple approach: put a label at the end of the document.
 Then, use a reference to that label for getting the last page number.
 There are also latex packages for doing this sort of thing, but no
 support in LyX. Try this in the preamble:
 \lhead{My pagenumber: \thepage{} of \pageref{last}}

\size huge
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
\size default

This seams to work as long as I use the exact label name I put at the
end of the document in my case that's:
\lhead{My pagenumber: \thepage{} of \pageref{LastPage}}

  Question 3 of 3
  
  Is there a list of {key words?} that can be used to insert values into
  header/footers such as
  
  /thepage   current output page number
  /today Today's date
  etc...

 Sure, any latex reference manual should do.  Also, search
 the web. The LyX homepage have some pointers.

So using the acronym you used above as a guide, I'm guessing I
might find what I'm looking for if I google:

latex ERT

Worth a try anyway.

Thanks again!

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[update] Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-10 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 8, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Question 1 of 3
  
  Why is the header/footer suppressed on page 1? That is how can I get
  headers and/or footers to output on the first page???

 - - - - - - - - - s n i p - - - - - - - - - -

 Usually, \thispagestyle{fancy} will do the trick though.
 Make sure you put this ERT somewhere on the page you want changed.

Thanks for the prompt reply and the informative suggestion. However I
get an error message when I try this. 

 - - - - - - - - - s n i p - - - - - - - - - -

Ok, now I feel stupid: I'll confess I was trying to insert it to the 
filename.lyx file with vim... {Possible if I understood how, but...}
I strongly dislike controlling my software via the mouse so I never
noticed that the TeX icon had help text referring to the unfamiliar term
Evil Red Text. And so didn't yet understand the function of M-i t or
C-l key bindings.

Which I'll admit is a lot easier than using vim to put all this:

\begin_inset ERT
status Open

\layout Standard

\backslash 
thispagestyle{fancy}
\end_inset 

Just to get this ERT:

\thispagestyle{fancy}

 - - - - - - - - - s n i p - - - - - - - - - -

  Question 3 of 3
  
  Is there a list of {key words?} that can be used to insert values into
  header/footers such as
  
  /thepage   current output page number
  /today Today's date
  etc...

 Sure, any latex reference manual should do.  Also, search
 the web. The LyX homepage have some pointers.

So using the acronym you used above as a guide, I'm guessing I
might find what I'm looking for if I google:

latex ERT

Still haven't found a useful list yet But it was during this search
that I tripped over instructions to use the TeX icon to insert ERTs 
so I'm glad I went there...

I'd still like to find a good index/list of values that can be inserted
to the header, footer (and/or I suspect inside the document body via
ERTs) But you've given me enough to make me sure that I can use lyx for
most of my writing needs. Now I can focus mostly on my writing,
confident that I'll like letting lyx take care of MOST of the
typesetting details...

Thanks again Helge!

Joe

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Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-10 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

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It would appear that on Jan 10, Helge Hafting did say:


Are you changing the .lyx file directly with some kind of
text editor?  You are not supposed to do that!


- - - - - - - - - s n i p - - - - - - - - - -


Never mess with the .lyx file unless you know what you do.
Latex commands either go in boxes of their own (insert-tex code)
or sometimes in the document preamble which you find in
the document settings dialog.


Good deductive reasoning, and as I now know, very good advice...
Actually I said something to that effect in my update reply which I
sent before I caught up on downloading my mailboxes...

Thanks again!

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If I actually knew everything, then I'd know I was an idiot...



Re: [update] Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-11 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 11, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Still haven't found a useful list yet But ...

 - - - - - - - - - s n i p - - - - - - - - - -

 Well, I don't know any such lists.  The problem is, you can put
 just about any latex command in the header. (Well, a page
 break would be really stupid, but anything that produce
 a small amount of output would work in a header.) 
 There are thousands of latex commands, so it is hard to make
 a complete list.  That's why I suggested a latex manual,
 they list everything and you can pick what you want.
 Latex really is a programming language aimed at typesetting.
 There are a few good manuals. You can look up anything,
 from simple stuff like getting a page number or section name
 in the header, all the way to complicated stuff like
 programming an entire new latex add-on package.

That makes sense I guess. But all I want to do is to learn to use LyX
instead of Ooffice for most of my writing. I'm not really planing on
becoming a LaTeX expert. Still I suppose I might use google to find an
online manual I could look at for clues now and then.

 Now, if you want some specific thing in your header, such as
 date, filename, or the page number in roman numerals - just ask.

Actually I wanted the list of possibles to see if it gave me any ideas.
Speaking of which you just gave me one. At least I think you did grin.
When you say filename, do you mean the full pathname of the .lyx file 
such as /home/jtwdyp/com/lyxSTUFF/ToJim.lyx or just ToJim.lyx???

Wait let me guess, there is probably a latex command form for both the
simple filename and the pathname, right? 
 
 In any case. Thanks again for all the great help you so kindly gave me.
For even if I never learn any more of the underlying LaTeX, I now have
enough to make LyX as useful for personal correspondence as it already
was for more formal uses. This ensures that I'll use it enough to get
comfortable with it. 

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How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?

2007-01-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?

That is the one that appears in the output just below the from address.
the page style is set to fancy, I'm using:

\rhead{\today}

which is showing up on page one due to the ERT:

\thispagestyle{fancy}

which I want to keep because I'm also using:

\cfoot{( Page \thepage{} of \pageref{LastPage} )}

Which I want on ALL printed pages. But to have today's date appear in
both places on page one looks kinda redundant. sigh 

Alternatively if there is a way to suppress the header from page one
while keeping the footer, that would be just about as good...

Also for THIS document I happen to be pleased with the underline that
appears below the entire header. But it isn't always desirable. So
I'd like to know how to get rid of it???


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Re: How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?

2007-01-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 12, Paul A. Rubin did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?
 
 What happens if you put \date{} in the preamble?  Works for other classes.

In the preamble it works... Oddly it doesn't as an ERT inserted on page
one of this document class: 'letter' 

But for sure, it's now in the document's preamble! 

\size huge
Thanks!
\size normal

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Re: How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?

2007-01-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 12, Bob Lounsbury did say:

 I don't know about the date issue, but to eliminate the header line see
 Section 3.6 of the Extended Features help manual. This is available under
 the Help menu of LyX.

Someone else provided for the date issue using /date{} in the preamble.
And I did see a way to turn of BOTH headers and footers there, But I
didn't see any way to keep the required footer, while selectively dumping
the header for only the one page.  However Thank you for getting me to
look at: 3.6 of the Extended Features help manual once again. I had
completely missed the solution to the header under bar problem I
also mentioned... Seams underbar depends on: 
\renewcommand{\headrulewidth}{Xpt} 
where X is thickness

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Re: How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?

2007-01-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 13, Paul A. Rubin did say:
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
How do I suppress date from body of document class letter?
   What happens if you put \date{} in the preamble?  Works for other
   classes.
  
  In the preamble it works... Oddly it doesn't as an ERT inserted on page
  one of this document class: 'letter' 
 
 LaTeX fills in the date on the title page before it parses any text on the
 title page (other than maybe the title itself), so putting it in ERT on the
 first page is slamming the barn door after the cow has bolted.

Well that explains why I was able to find a way to make it work as an ert...

I just got home from work. I'd thought of the fact that the date was
embedded right after the from address. And while I had tried the ERT
version on page 1 I hadn't done so in the right part of the page body.
So I moved the \date{} ERT from the beginning of the body text (via C-x)
to the beginning of the from address (via C-v). And this time (C-t)
yielded a gv presentation of the letter that no longer included the date
below the from address. So I guess that if I get the ERT in there early
enough on the first page I can slam that barn door on that poor old cows
nose, just before it gets out of the barn...  ;-)#


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Re: [update] Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-15 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Wait let me guess, there is probably a latex command form for both the
  simple filename and the pathname, right?   
 Unfortunately, you can only get the name of the latex file.
 Now, this is the same as the name of the lyx file, except
 that it ends in .tex instead of .lyx.  So it is still useful.

Well for the simple file name WhatEver.tex is just as good as
WhatEver.lyx... And I suppose that if I really want a file's actual
pathname to print I could just manually insert it between the curly-braces
of something like \lhead{}. I'd just have to remember to update it if I
moved the file.

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Re: [update] Re: fancyhdr! It's working. BUT 3 questions ...

2007-01-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
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It would appear that on Jan 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 
 \jobname is your friend then. :-)
 

Thank you!

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I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Don't get me wrong, LyX's internal spellchecker does a good job of
implementing aspell. Except for two little things that make me wish I could
invoke aspell from the command line on a *.lyx file and have it skip all
the embedded lyx commands. I've looked at the docs for aspell and it looks
like there is a --mode=tex option, but I don't see anything about a
--mode=lyx option for it. sigh 

I wouldn't care but for those two little things I mentioned. And to be sure
lyx's spellchecker isn't alone among gui spellchecker routines about which
these two things drive me a little crazy.

The first (And most obvious)issue is the way the pop-up spellchecker dialog
box often obscures the word in the text of the lyx document. I mean if it
simply determined where the word was displayed and opened the dialog box in
a different part of the screen so that I could see the syntax of my
spelling error so that I can remember whether I was talking about the chain
of command or about some character needing to use the commode I might
have a better chance of accepting the correct suggestion...

I can and do work around this by resizing my lyx document window to use
only the top half of the screen. And then moving the spellchecker dialog
box to the bottom half of the screen in the (so far well founded) hope that
{my window manager, or is it lyx itself?} will remember where to open the
next occurrence of the pop-up... But then of course I need to resize the
document window back to it's normal size again when I'm done spellchecking.

The second issue has to do with the fact that I'm a keyboard centric kind of
guy that really dislikes putting the keyboard down to wrestle with the
mouse. I know I can and do use alt+R to accept the default suggestion,
alt+I to ignore the intentionally misspelled word that I don't want added
to the dictionary. And I've even gotten used to the fact that it's alt+D
{which with the D being so close to the R on a qwerty keyboard has
caused more than a few erroneous additions to my ~/.aspell.en.pws file}
rather than a more intuitive alt+A to Add the word to the dictionary. 
But what I can't do is to select something other than the topmost default
spelling suggestion with the keyboard. Oh I can use tab to get to the
suggestion list, then the arrow key to highlight an alternate suggestion.
But I can't find a way to get the spellchecker to use the now highlighted
suggestion without dusting off that torture device that controls the mouse
pointer and clicking on the word in question. IE: If I misspell cycle as
cyclen the default suggestion shows up as cyclone. With the 2nd choice being
cycle. I can use the keyboard to hi-light cycle, But this doesn't change the
fact that the actual replacement field still says cyclone. So of course
if I press enter cyclen will become cyclone... I have only three choices to
get the spellchecker to change cyclen to cycle. 1) double click on cycle
from the list of suggestions. 2) single click on cycle to change the
replacement field to cycle allowing either alt+R or enter to make the
change. 3) tab my way instead to the replacement field and manually edit
cyclone into cycle... sigh 

I don't suppose that either of these two issues (think feature
request) will be resolved any time soon???

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Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 
 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

OK! Just did that. was going to paste the the ticket number here but I
forgot that nowadays a write to vim's internal buffer tends to overwrite
the mouse based clipboard. And I made the mistake of trimming down the
excessive quoted material with dd before  middle clicking in insert mode.
And right now I don't have time to go search for it... Got things to do
before my lady gets home Bye!

But in any case, it's in there somewhere. 

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Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 OK! Just did that. SNIP
 
The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast
results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux
distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a
warm fuzzy feeling...

By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix
that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is
exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as
resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers
expect to do that themselves?

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a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
\mainmatter
\pagenumbering{roman}

Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output 
(pdf)

Then there is another tex code box containing:
\pagenumbering{arabic}

And finally  Chapter 1...

How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???



If it matters:
I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of
whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty)
lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2
lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)



Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say:

 I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the
 header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC.

Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers...

Not today though. My brain is kaput...

Thanks!

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Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most
of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get fancy with those headings
could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me
scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to
LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes...

But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the
current project.

Thanks!

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Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
  \mainmatter
  \pagenumbering{roman}
  
  Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
  And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output
  (pdf)
  
  Then there is another tex code box containing:
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  
  And finally  Chapter 1...
  
  How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
  the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
  before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
 
 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.
 
 The page styles:
 empty - nothing, not even a page number
 plain - a page number, nothing more
 headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
 usually)
 myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
 whenever you want the running headers to change)
 fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
 heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
 more ERT is needed.
 
 Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
 headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
 any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
 page style set to plain.  No need for ERT then.
 
 To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
 anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} 
\pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
\pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text}
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh

Sorry to be such a pest.

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Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

 The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
 is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type...
 
 Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
 a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

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Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
If it matters:
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means:
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux 

Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an
incorrect name for something... Please bear with me.


This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that
it'll ever get published but just in case, I want to keep the output
presentable.

I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes
are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman.
Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were
originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here
and there... 

Now the problem:

If I understand correctly a leftside page normally gets a larger righthand
margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me.
But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5 x 11
page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit
differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it
verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left
the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At
this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are
supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI
or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines
to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the
paper.  And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the
rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper...

I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse
where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of
the leftside page.

I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
quoting anyone...

I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that
includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections
and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section
remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file
to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm
doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via
gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7

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\lyxformat 345
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\use_default_options false
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman bookman
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100

\graphics default
\paperfontsize 14
\spacing single
\use_hyperref false
\papersize default
\use_geometry false
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 0
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 2
\tocdepth 2
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 2
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author  
\author  
\end_header

\begin_body

\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset ERT
status open

\begin_layout Plain Layout


\backslash
frontmatter
\end_layout

\end_inset


\end_layout

\begin_layout Title
Unspecified
\end_layout

\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset ERT
status open

\begin_layout Plain Layout


\backslash
setcounter{page}{0}
\end_layout

\end_inset


\end_layout

\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset Newpage newpage
\end_inset


\end_layout

\begin_layout Author
\begin_inset space ~
\end_inset


\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset


\begin_inset VSpace vfill
\end_inset

By Joseph Philbrook
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

The author claims all copy rights to the original content below.
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

This is a work in progress...
 
\end_layout

\begin_layout Part

Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say:

 Seems to be a quirk of LaTeX specific to typewriter font.  Since typewriter
 font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly.
 There's a fix at
 http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html
 that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words.
 Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged
 right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option
 would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text.
 Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not
 using long enough words in that section. :-)  (I tested this -- hyphenation
 did not cure the problem.)
 
Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll
have to experiment...

However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly
justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting
system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended
margin, and at least adjust word wrap to move the offending word
down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be
readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true
justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins.

And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this,
Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's
users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the
evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right
margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings,
which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in
such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font
paragraph(s)} 

However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of
what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on
content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into
play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an
ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I
could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply
reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document?

One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically'
compensate for this LaTeX quirk is it feasible that a line length
element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings???

It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say:

 
 On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
  quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
  leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
  because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
  approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
  And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
  quoting anyone...
 
 I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In 
 a 
 world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make 
 your 
 styles represent the intent of the writing.

Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down
and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not
having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty
remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last
but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting
my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details
of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content.
That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6
years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve
would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage
style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish
any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text
embedded in the example attachment.

 - - - - - - - - - snip/glue/snip - - - - - - - - - -

 What you want is the MEANING of Joe's special paragraph but a LOOK similar 
 to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout 
 file:
 
 =
 Preamble
 \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL}
 {
 \begin{quotation}
 % Add any tweaks you want here
 }{
 % Add any ending tweaks you want here
 \end{quotation}
 }
 EndPreamble
 
 
 Style JoesSpecialParagraph
   CopyStyle   Quotation
   LatexType Environment
   LatexName joesspecialparagraphL
 End
 =
 
 The part where I discuss tweaks is where you modify the look of the quotation 
 environment to match your desired look. So you'd put

For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document
made for problems with spell check...
For example if I typed this:

Bill said, I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I
went fishing by myself.

Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest
replacing 'No with No... I just checked, and this still happens with
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux.

I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened
to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked
from vim via my .vimrc key mappings:
:map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M 
:map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G
(Where of course ^M is actually a single character that simulates hitting 
enter)

And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character
to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as
in the contraction it's...

Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
used as single quotes???

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Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
  used as single quotes???
 
 Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single 
 quotes, hit Alt-.

OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores
apostrophes when used for single quotes in a text file is probably
because the Alt- shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and
aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them
as single quotes when they were obviously so used? 

Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going
to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes...

Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal
writing (rules?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single
quotes.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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   sigh

some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-01-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
I'm using Document class: book (more font sizes)

I'm hoping I can modify the numbering so that the pages before
chapter one are numbered separately from the pages starting with
chapter one. IE: I want the first page of chapter one to be page 1

I'm also hoping I can get the pre-chapter pages to be numbered with a
different style such as roman numerals...

Below is a specific description of what I'm getting vs what I want to
get. Followed by the header lines of the .lyx file involved which I've
pasted in at the bottom of this message.

Thanks
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pdf output:

tital (date output) page
- [  no visible pg number- good! ]
= [  But can I suppress or override the output date ???  ]

blank page 
- [  with Number 2 near upper left corner- Sigh! ]
= [  Can I suppress the output of any page number here ???   ]

Name associated with the collection of authors notes and preludes...
configured as part* with no other text. 
- [  part* Title with number 3 centered at bottom- Sigh~ ]
= [  Can I suppress the output of any page number here ???   ]

Totally blank page
- [  no visible pg number- good! ]

Author, copyright etc... at top of page
- [  page numbering at alternating corners continues here at # 5 ]
= [  Can I suppress this page number or better still change it   ]
= [  to a roman numeral format starting with this page as I ?? ]
= [  Or can I at least get it to start numbering here at 1 ??  ]
= [  Can I get LyX to put this at bottom of page instead of top??]

   (  Note a manually added page break prevents the section* with )
   (  the authors notes from beginning on the same page with the )
   (  copy right data.)

Authors notes section* with a subsection* and some prelude section*(s)
- [  numbering continues at 6 then 7 then 8 -Sigh!   ]
= [  Can I get it to continue from Author/copyright page with]
= [  Roman Numeral II, III, IV -- or at least -- 2, 3, 4 ]

Printed table of contents begins
- [  first page of TOC numbers at bottom center. Then numbering  ]
- [  resumes using alternating page corners. numbering continued ]
- [  with page 19... whimper   ]
   (  First I'd like either the entire TOC to be numbered in the  )
   (  corners OR have the ENTIRE TOC numbered bottom center...)
   (  Switching the numbering position in the middle of the TOC   )
   (  drives me up the wall...)
   (  Second if numbering was continuing from the sections I  )
   (  to use the roman numerals it would be # 14 or XIV Not 19... )
= [  Can I suppress the page numbering of the TOC pages ???  ]
= [  Or Better still, can I get it to continue with the numbering] 
= [  sequence I wanted to start at the author/copyright page ??? ]

Finally chapter 1 begins
- [  first page of each chapter is numbered bottom center all]
- [  other pages use alternating corners. numbering continues]
- [  with first page of chapter 1 being numbered at # 21 ]
   (  Note: the first page of each chapter being numbered in a)
   (  different position from the rest of the chapter doesn't bug )
   (  me as much as when that happens to the TOC but I'd like to  )
   (  have control over that behavior...  )
= [  Can I possibly force page on of chapter 1 to be numbered as ]
= [  page 1 ?]

.lyx header lines:

\lyxformat 276
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman bookman
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100
\graphics default
\paperfontsize 14
\spacing single
\papersize default
\use_geometry true
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 0
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 2
\tocdepth 2
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 2
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author  
\author  
\end_header




LyX menu font sizes require a magnifying glasses [sigh]

2009-01-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

I'm using LyX in multiple lynx environments. In every case I use the 
latest version available in that Linux distro's officially sanctioned 
repositories. (It's the best way I know to keep the package manager from 
breaking something when I let it update my system...)

At the moment I'm using OpenSuSE 11.0 in which I'm using LyX 1.5.4

And I have great difficulty reading the text in the pull down menus. 
I'm running in KDE and have tried enlarging every font in kcontrol.
And I've tried setting a larger fontsize under the GTK style and fonts
settings. (And yes I restarted KDE after making that setting) But
nothing seams to enlarge the font used by LyX in the pull down menus.

Is there a way



Re: some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-01-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 24, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 Author, copyright etc... at top of page
 - [  page numbering at alternating corners continues here at # 5 ]
 = [  Can I suppress this page number or better still change it   ]
 = [  to a roman numeral format starting with this page as I ?? ]
 = [  Or can I at least get it to start numbering here at 1 ??  ]
 = [  Can I get LyX to put this at bottom of page instead of top??]

I don't think I was clear here...  When I said:

 = [  Can I get LyX to put this at bottom of page instead of top??]

I was talking about the Author, Copyright etc... stuff NOT the
position of the page number...


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Re: LyX menu font sizes require a magnifying glasses [sigh]

2009-01-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 24, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 I'm using LyX in multiple lynx environments. 

Dumb typo. This should read:

 I'm using LyX in multiple linux environments. 

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Re: some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-01-30 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 25, Steve Litt did say:

 Start the book with \frontmatter, and then where you want page 1 to be,
 use \mainmatter.

Thank You! (I presume these go in ERT boxes???) 

The logic of \frontmatter identifying the part of a book that appears
before the \mainmatter makes me wonder if there is also something like
an \backmatter designation for any parts of a book that may appear
after the last chapter???
 
 There are also ways to strongarm the page number -- I do this a lot in
 the front matter of the book, but NEVER NEVER NEVER in the main matter.

Agreed, if by main matter you mean the part of the book from the
first, through the last chapter, I'd find it disturbing for the page
numbers to be anything but consecutive throughout it. 

Though the unconventional side of my personality would find it
reasonable for some creative work to be presented as a collection of
chapter/books with each chapter numbered separately... But then I'd
hope that each page would be marked with a chapter id as well as a
page number...

But in any normal book I'd be very uncomfortable with inconsistent
page numbering...

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Re: some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-01-30 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 29, Marcelo Acu?a did say:

  A partial answer:
 at the start of each chapter put in ERT
 \setcounter{pagenumber}{0}

Thanks Marcelo. This sounds like one of the ways to strongarm the
page number that Steve mentioned in his reply...

Offhand this looks like a way to thoroughly micromanage page numbering.

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Re: some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-02-04 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 30, Dave Hewitt did say:

 Definitely use the \frontmatter and \mainmatter separations.
 Also, to get the numbering style changes you want, put
 this in ERT at the start of each of those sections:
 
 \pagenumbering{roman}
 
 \pagenumbering{arabic}


Thanks Dave... Now I've almost got numbering where I want it...

I've learned to use \frontmatter  \mainmatter to good effect. And
confirmed a suspicion that there should also be such a thing as a
\backmatter...

I've learned ( with a little stumbling ) how to strong arm page
numbering (when/if necessary) with:
\setcounter{page}{0}
rather than:
\setcounter{pagenumber}{0}
to avoid output errors about undefined counters...

And now, thanks to you, I know how to get them numbered with roman
numerals when I want.  


All I need to figure out now is: how to suppress the printing of any
page number on pages I don't want numbered??? 

Well that and how to get Lyx to position the by authorname  copyright
information at the bottom of an otherwise blank page instead of at the
top of one???
(there has to be a better way than inserting a bunch of hard returns.
I mean that method would have to be re-tweaked every time the output
page size changed.)


Plus how to suppress the date of output generation, from the title
page??? 

(and/or how to get it to use an arbitrary {hard coded?} date, or perhaps
even the date the .lyx file was last changed,instead...)

This last item matters to me because If I print 10 copies on Friday.
Then find out I need 5 more on Monday morning I don't want the date to
be different on the last five...


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Re: some questions on page numbering (pages BEFORE chapter 1)

2009-02-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 4, David Mertens did say:

 
 Oops.  I only sent this to Joe.  Resending to LyX list.
 

I had wondered about that extra copy... Probably my fault. I keep
forgetting which mailing lists need me to NOT include me on the Reply-To:
and which ones rewrite it to point at the list. sigh! Actually if I got
a reply worth responding to that wasn't obviously intended as a private
reply, which I couldn't find on the list id have probably have started a 
reply with full quoting, then pasted it's contents into a reply to the
thread... Then as long as I remember which reply to cancel... ;-7 

 
 Did you try using a vertical fill via Insert-Formatting-Vertical Space,
 select Vertical Fill?  This seemed to work for me:
 
 [ some text at top, at least a protected space ]
 ^
  |
 Vertical Fill
  |
 
 [ text at bottom of page ]
 

No I didn't... But if vertical fill is designed to automatically expand
and or contract as necessary to keep the remaining text before a page
break at the bottom of the page. without changing where that next page
break occurs then it's exactly what I was looking for. And probably a
good reason why I should once again reread the documents found under
LyX-help. Cause now that you mention it I think I have a ghost of a
memory of reading about something like this way back when... 

It would appear that on Feb 4, Steve Litt did say:

 
 On Wednesday 04 February 2009 04:21:26 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
 
  All I need to figure out now is: how to suppress the printing of any
  page number on pages I don't want numbered???
 
 \thispagestyle{empty}
 
 
  Well that and how to get Lyx to position the by authorname  copyright
  information at the bottom of an otherwise blank page instead of at the
  top of one???
 
 THIS, my friend, is why I always ERT fine tune my frontmatter. By the time 
 you 
 end up trying to outsmart your document class in order to get the frontmatter 
 the way you want your frontmatter to look, it's easier to do the whole thing 
 in ERT. Not only that, but a lot of people decide on a document class based 
 on what they want the frontmatter to look like, and then suffer the 
 consequences in the mainmatter.

Yup. Does that ever ring true... Now that I know how to separate
front, main, and if called for, back matter My only prob will
be in figuring out what to put in the gosh durned ERT boxes... Course,
this thread has given me several priceless clues on that... thank you
ALL!

Though in this case it looks like the functionality I was looking for
can be had internally with that  Vertical Fill insert function.

 
 
  (and/or how to get it to use an arbitrary {hard coded?} date, 
 
 \date{January 25, 2525}
 

This works for me... I'd just have to remember to update it if there
was a revision.

 Joe --- You've learned a lot. When you've gotten it all, I suggest you write 
 a 
 document about what you learned and post its URL here so we can all use it. 
 The questions you ask pop up over and over again, and your in-the-trenches 
 documentation would be very helpful to those who come after you.

Well I might do something like that sometime... But the only place I've
got to put such a thing is my isp provided (personal web / online data
storage) space. And while I know how to post a link to that, it's not
n the other hand if the lyx mailing list has a web archive where a url
of a particular message could be referenced then perhaps I could
compose something of the kind as a reply to this thread. If I kept it
all in plain text, it wouldn't take that much band width... What do
you think?


It would appear that on Feb 5, Yago did say:

  Plus how to suppress the date of output generation, from the title
  page???
 
 \date{}
 

Now there's an elegantly brutal solution... I LIKE it!

Hmmmnn I'll have to experiment if something like this in the
frontmatter will affect something that inserts the current date
someplace in the mainmatter... Like perhaps an ERT \today 


  (and/or how to get it to use an arbitrary {hard coded?} date, or perhaps
  even the date the .lyx file was last changed,instead...)
 
 isodate package.
 

Tell me more... I just did a google for lyx isodate package but it
didn't turn up anything that sounded like what I'm hoping you mean...
That is that there is a package that will let me tell lyx or latex to
extract the date (and time? from the lyx file's last modification time
stamp??? I'd be glad they did such a thing. Though I suspect it's likely
more work to figure out than is worth it to me. 



Well I'd like to thank All of you for the kind help you've all shown
me. The info in this one thread is priceless.


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lyx2lyx script failed... lyx 1.6.1 lyx 1.5.6

2009-03-08 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Hello. I happen to like lyx. for lots of things. But I need to be able
to access my documents via more than one computer. Not all of which
are easy to upgrade to newer software versions.

One of my computers is running lyx 1.6.1 on which I recently wrote a
couple of documents. Then I had occasion to modify one of the .lyx files 
on a different linux box.  But the available version of lyx was only
1.5.6 and when I tried to open the document I was informed that it had
been created by a different version of lyx. And that the lyx2lyx script
had failed. sigh

I'm reasonably certain I hadn't used any new advanced features from
ver 1.6.1 that ver 1.5.6 doesn't have. I started with a short document
that was created on ver 1.5.6 (or earlier)... Which I had opened with
ver 1.6.1 deleted a line. Added text to about 5 existing lines which i
modified the color of. Then inserted a few paragraphs of text. And did
a Save As new name. So I was a bit surprised that version 1.5.6
couldn't open the resulting document.

Is there a way to tell lyx 1.6.1 to save in an older lyx format?

OR is there a conversion script that can convert a (lyx version 1.6.1).lyx  
file into something lyx 1.5.6 can open???


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Re: lyx2lyx script failed... lyx 1.6.1 lyx 1.5.6

2009-03-10 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
,
It would appear that on Mar 9, Guenter Milde did say:

 On 2009-03-09, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  One of my computers is running lyx 1.6.1 on which I
  recently wrote a couple of documents. Then I had occasion
  to modify one of the .lyx files on a different linux box. 
  But the available version of lyx was only 1.5.6 and when I
  tried to open the document I was informed that it had been
  created by a different version of lyx. And that the
  lyx2lyx script had failed. sigh
 
 LyX 1.5.6 pre-dates 1.6.1 and hence the conversion script does not know
 how to handle the new format.

Yeah, that makes sense. Conversely then I expect when ver 1.6.1 opens a
document from ver 1.5.6, it recognizes the old format and converts it
so silently that I didn't know it had even run this lyx2lyx thingy.
 
  Is there a way to tell lyx 1.6.1 to save in an older lyx format?
 
 Yes. FileExportLyx and then choose the desired version.

Good. Then at least if I KNOW I'll need to access the durned thing
ahead of time... 

  OR is there a conversion script that can convert a 
  (lyx version 0.6.1).lyx  file into something lyx 1.5.6 can open???

 Yes, the lyx2lyx script of 1.6.x and 1.5.7 can do this.
 
 You can 
 
 * upgrade to 1.5.7 (save but maybe not possible)
 * replace the lyx2lyx dir with the version from 1.6.x or 1.5.7.
   (on your own risk, backup the original),
 * place the lyx2lyx package in usr/local/, say and call by hand.  

I don't think the one from 1.5.7 can handle it else I wouldn't have
had the error that got me to start this thread. But if the one from
1.6.1 can be called by hand, AND doesn't depend on specific libraries
that are only installed on the Linux that has lyx 1.6.1, then It
might be smart to at least put a copy of it in my ~/bin on the other
linux installations... Then If I happen to forget to export after
editing with the one instance of lyx ver 1.6.1 I'll still be able to
access the document when I'm using a different linux box.  

  (For assorted reasons I multi-boot several versions of
   linux. On Both my desktop AND my laptop. I never really
   know ahead of time which one I'll be using when I find
   the time to work on a book I'm trying to write.) 

The biggest problem should be that I have about a half dozen .lyx files
that I open all at once via a script when I work on the story.  But
since that script finishes by backing up my .lyxfiles to a usbstick from
which I can import the latest changes to my laptop, then I suppose
that the version of the script on the linux with the lyx ver 1.6.1
could also mv ${filename}.lyx ${filename}-v161.lyx, then invoke
lyx2lyx to save the lyx 1.5.6 version as ${filename}.lyx... That way
my script will always open the 1.5.6 compatabe copy. 


NOTE: I just did a little testing and this can be made to work. But
it's not quite as simple as you described...

I found the lyx2lyx script and copied it's whole directory to a data
partiion. But when I ran:

cd ~/lyxstuff
/mnt/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx -t 276 -o ${filename}.lyx ${filename}-v16.lyx

It coplained that /mnt/unicodesymbols wasn't there and output a zero
length ${filename}.lix file. But when I inserted all the non directory
files from /usr/share/lyx it worked.


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Re:[SOLVED] lyx2lyx script failed... lyx 1.6.1 lyx 1.5.6

2009-03-10 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Mar 10, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 The biggest problem should be that I have about a half dozen .lyx files
 that I open all at once via a script when I work on the story.  But
 since that script finishes by backing up my .lyxfiles to a usbstick from
 which I can import the latest changes to my laptop, then I suppose
 that the version of the script on the linux with the lyx ver 1.6.1
 could also mv ${filename}.lyx ${filename}-v161.lyx, then invoke
 lyx2lyx to save the lyx 1.5.6 version as ${filename}.lyx... That way
 my script will always open the 1.5.6 compatabe copy. 

Actually the script that opens those files with lyx calls another
which does the backup... For me the solution was to establish the
version of lyx2lyx from lyx 1.6.1 as a command line tool. then to
modify the back-up script so that it now contains:

#!/bin/bash
# tarLyxSTUFF use tar  gzip to backup the lyxSTUFF dir...
# special version for saba4... extra code to convert .lyx files that
# were written by lyx 1.6.1 from lyxformat 345 to lyxformat 276
# which the more prevalent lyx 1.5.6 can process. via the lyx2lyx
# script from lyx 1.6.1. (See ~/bin2nd/lyx2lyx for details)
cd ~/com/lyxSTUFF
fixlist=`grep -l lyxformat 345 *.lyx`
for InName in $fixlist
do
OutName=`echo $InName|sed 's/\(.lyx\)/.v_1_6_1-lyx/'`
echo Preserving original $InName  as  $OutName
cp $InName $OutName
echo Processing $InName via lyx2lyx
lyx2lyx -t 276 -o $InName $OutName
done
# end of 'extra' code for saba4
cd ~/com/uplo
echo 
the old current LyXstuff files in uplo were
ls -l LyXstuff*
mv LyXstuff.tgz LyXstuffWAS.tgz
cd ~/com/lyxSTUFF
tar -czf ~/com/uplo/LyXstuff.tgz .
cd ~/com/uplo
echo 
the new current LyXstuff files in uplo are
ls -l LyXstuff*


I went with .v_1_6_1-lyx rather than -v161.lyx because I don't want
the next run to redundantly process the .v_1_6_1-lyx files...

FYI ~/com is the mount point for a personal data partition mounted
   there for my primary login regardless of which linux distro I boot...
And ~/com/uplo is regularly backed up to my laptop. especially prior to
my taking it somewhere I can't get at my desktop...

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right hand margin when font:family=typewriter

2009-04-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

I really don't want to start micro managing all the margin settings. 
whatever lyx actually defaults to mostly works. But I noticed that if a set 
a few paragraphs to the font family of typewriter the right hand margin of 
that section of the pdf output file seems to only be about 0.25 inch...

I would like the minimum right hand margin to NEVER be less than 0.5 inch.
So I poked around the menu settings of (at the moment I'm using lyx 1.5.6)
And the closest I can find to a setting for this is the input dialog for:

document:settings:Page margins

Which has a check box to use default settings or whatever values I
choose to type in. Biggest problem is that if I'm going to set any of
these, then I need to set all of them. Second biggest problem is that I
don't know what all the default values are. and the third biggest
problem with using this setting is that I don't see any way to get a
larger margin in use for the font family of typewriter, without
enlarging the near perfect right hand margin I'm getting in the
majority of the document where the font family is usually roman, or
occasionally sans serif...

If it matters the document class is book (more font sizes)

Oh yeah, It's set for two sided output, So I'm guessing that instead
of talking Right hand margin I should probably say outer margin 
on the assumption that a book, would have a larger inner margin to
make room for the binding

Now I really don't understand why it's assumed that typewritten output
doesn't need the same right hand margin as the rest of the document???

But I suppose that there must be an ERT solution to do something like:

???what's the correct variable names  syntax???


put standard text here...

{OldOuter=outerpagemargin}
{outerpagemargin=0.5 inch}

Put typewritten page(s) here

{outerpagemargin=OldOuter}

put standard text here...

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Re: right hand margin when font:family=typewriter

2009-04-07 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 6, Guenter Milde did say:

 On 2009-04-05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Now I really don't understand why it's assumed that
  typewritten output doesn't need the same right hand margin
  as the rest of the document???
 
 I do not think it is. I rather assume that there are lots of
 overfull hbox warnings in the LaTeX log -- TeX tries to adhere to
 the margin but does not find a suitable place to break the line.

Thanks for responding.

I'm guessing your right. Though I can't figure out what's
preventing if from finding a suitable place to break the line.
 
 Could you post a *minimal* sample document that shows the problem?
 
First I tried to manually build a truly minimal test document.
But the output of the test document's typewritten text was fine??? 

So I figure it must have something to do with the assorted
ERT boxes I inserted in my /frontmatter. But I haven't a clue which
one or why. 

So I copied my Book to TesText.lyx. Chopped out most of the
document. And replaced the remaining text with some short test
strings But since I didn't know the cause of this behavior, I left
all the ERT boxes in place. I hope the example is *minimal* enough.

When I open TesText.lyx with lyx, then generate a pdf with
alt+V m

The only part of the resulting pdf that doesn't get enough right hand
margin is the typewritten section... sigh

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\lyxformat 276
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman bookman
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\font_typewriter default
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\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
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\secnumdepth 2
\tocdepth 2
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
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\papersides 2
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author  
\author  
\end_header

\begin_body

\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset ERT
status open

\begin_layout Standard


\backslash
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\end_layout

\end_inset


\end_layout

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test document
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\newline

\begin_inset VSpace vfill
\end_inset

By Joseph Philbrook
\newline
copyright ?? 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\newline
The author reserves all rights to the original content below.
\newline
This is a work
 in progress...
 
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\shape italic
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Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if alt+p[space] worked without that
scrollbox attached to the standard toolbar the .ui file would say

= Toolbars
= standard off,top
= extra off,top
= table off,bottom
= math off,bottom
= minibuffer off,bottom
= End

As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever click on.

Likewise, If I want to switch to another open document with lyx 1.6.3
I'd use alt+D[2] to switch to the second open document, via the
pull down menu. Though I'll admit my fingers usually start with the old
alt+v[2] that isn't in the view menu anymore before I realise
that the functionality was moved to the Documents pull-down menu.

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???

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RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jul 31, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  Is there any way to get them off my screen???
 
 Tools-Preferences-Look  Feel-Open Document in Tabs
 

Thanks. But when I tried that the results were less than ideal.

I don't know why I didn't realize I was talking about tabs until
you identified the toggle. {Unless it has to do with the fact that
when I use LyX I'm always either opening just one document (in which
case there isn't one) Or I'm opening a half dozen documents with a
script where the average filename length is about 30 characters long.
(in which case the row of tabs don't all fit} and so I never discerned
the pattern of a tab beside a spot without one...}

But in any case the results are that several separate LyX windows open.
which in itself isn't bad, but since the filenames are so long it's
hard to determine which doc is which switching via the alt+tab
global shortcut. And if I try to use the alt+D[$number] method,
the tabs in that particular document window turn themselves back on...

It might be nice for keyboard centric users who switch documents via
the menu, rather than by clicking on the tab,  if they added an
additional check box or .ui file item, that toggled the graphic display
of the tabs like it was a toolbar full of tabs, while still allowing
ONE document window to switch between several [virtual tab]
documents via the pull down menu... But as feature requests go, I
doubt this would ever be considered a high priority...

So I'm thinking that I'll just have to live with the durned tabs.

Thanks anyway!

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jul 31, Johannes Knaus did say:

 I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it
 and drag it around by accident.

You have never seen *ME* try to use the mouse... Though it is
frequently the easiest way to copy/paste text between applications
when one or more of the source/destination applications do NOT
support  ^C ^V and shifted arrows for marking... I for one would
find it umm frustrating if some text automatically relocated because
I was being a klutz while attempting to drag the the mouse pointer
across a range of text to copy to the (gpm?) buffer some text I
wanted to paste into an xterm.
 
 I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many people use
 Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. and that's what
 I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.

I for one am glad many people use that technique, It means it's
unlikely that LyX's keyboard control methods will be phased out any
time soon.

 Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be just
 another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via GUI). Still,
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When you said this however you got my vote. Just as long as the
feature *CAN* be deactivated by the user... 

[rant-mode]
I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
difficulty dealing with the point N click style dogma that seems
to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
deleted} rodent...

But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
[/rant-mode]

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Re: AW: AW: [LyX1.6.3/Vista] Setting prefs shrinks LyX window

2009-08-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 1, Jannick Asmus did say:

 Paul A. Rubin wrote:
  Meanwhile, it turns out that the bug only triggers if the window is
  maximized at the time you mess with the look and feel, so if you can
  remember to window it first, it's an extra click or two but not too
  horrible.  (I like to work with LyX maximized, but fortunately I rarely
  fiddle with the look and feel.)
 
 So do I. At the moment I am fiddling around to get language switching between
 Arab and English working (see my other posting in lyx.documentation). This is
 why I am changing the prefs fairly often at the moment.

I don't use windows anymore. But as I recall, even with that
expletive deleted it was possible to resize a NON-maximized window
until it was within a few pixels in size to the maximized version.
Perhaps doing that instead of maximizing it would make your need to
change the prefs so often a little less painful?

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