Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 04/03/2010 11:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Am Saturday 03 April 2010 15:13:22 schrieb rgheck:
   

On 04/03/2010 02:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
 

Just wondering:

Would the following be difficult to implement in Lyx or to use it via
enter>file>   'external material' ?

Wolfgang

From
http://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/texdirflatten.html

Collect files related to a LaTeX job in a single directory.

The Perl script parses a LaTeX file recursively, scanning all child
files, and collects details of any included and other data files. These
component files, are then all put into a single directory (thus
“flattening” the document’s directory tree).

The author is Cengiz Gunay.
   

This looks like something that one would call as part of the converter
chain.

 

and how could I do it?

   
Define a new format, ltxpak, and then declare texdirflatten as a 
latex-->ltxpak converter. With appropriate arguments, of course. This 
all gets done under Tools>Preferences>File Handling.


There is a complication, namely, that everything is going to happen here 
in LyX's temporary directory. So what I think will happen is that 
texdirflatten will create its directory at e.g.

/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.X0765/lyx_tmpbuf0/flat/
and now the question is: How do we export this? i.e., copy it to the 
original file location? Answer: We define a "copier", and tell it to 
copy this directory to the original document directory. Have a look at 
the ext_copy.py copier that is used with the LaTeX-->HTML converters. 
You may be able to use that, or at least to adapt it to your purposes.


Copiers, etc, are all discussed in the Customization manual.

rh

Re: References style

[rgheck]

On 04/03/2010 11:23 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 4/3/2010 11:15 AM, rgheck wrote:

On 04/03/2010 10:54 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Insert

\renewcommand{\refname}{\rmfamily\mdseries\begin{center} 
References\end{center}}


in ERT early in the document.


Or put it in the preamble, where it won't clutter the text.



Doesn't seem to work in the preamble -- I think something (not sure 
what) loads or is processed after the preamble and asserts the 
standard heading format at that point.



Hmm. Perhaps this is done at the beginning of the document.

rh

Re: Footnote location

[rgheck]

On 04/02/2010 05:23 AM, Sandro Portmann wrote:

Hi,

I'm writing a longer work for my history studies, but the footnotes come right 
after the text. How can I manage, that between the main text and the footnote 
comes a space from about 1cm? I'm writing my document in article style.

   

Put something like this in your preamble:

|   \setlength{\skip\footins}{2cm}

rh|

Re: Footnote location

[rgheck]

On 04/02/2010 05:23 AM, Sandro Portmann wrote:

Hi,

I'm writing a longer work for my history studies, but the footnotes come right 
after the text. How can I manage, that between the main text and the footnote 
comes a space from about 1cm? I'm writing my document in article style.

   

Put something like this in your preamble:

|   \setlength{\skip\footins}{2cm}

rh|

Re: Footnote location

[rgheck]

On 04/02/2010 05:23 AM, Sandro Portmann wrote:

Hi,

I'm writing a longer work for my history studies, but the footnotes come right 
after the text. How can I manage, that between the main text and the footnote 
comes a space from about 1cm? I'm writing my document in article style.

   

Put something like this in your preamble:

|   \setlength{\skip\footins}{2cm}

rh|

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

Sorry to top-post, but this is a long message.

On 03/30/2010 11:50 PM, george legge wrote:

Hello to you all  --  This is my first message to the list.

I have the 64bit version of Lyx 1.6.4 running on 64bit SUSE 11.1 together
with Texlive.

Lyx would not convert to pdf until I installed kdegraphics3-pdf and
kdegraphics3-postscript.

   

Are you sure that LyX would not convert to PDF? This sounds like...


Without those packages, it seems the 64bit installation does not have a
version of kpdf (information off the web).

  Fine, I can now view as pdf and print that. I can also view as dvi; but
that's as far as it goes.

   
...what it wouldn't do is ViewPDF. Would FileExportPDF work? Whether 
kpdf (or any other pdf viewer) is installed should be irrelevant to 
LyX's export capabilities, though it is of course relevant to its 
viewing capabilities.



I cannot view as postscript. I get a window with an error message:

An error occurred whilst running dvips -t a4 -o 'newfile1.ps'
'newfile1.dvi'.

  In the terminal window, I get the same error message followed by:

This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)

dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro

Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

Error: Cannot convert file.

   
The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from 
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the 
following, from within the directory where that file now is:

latex newfile1.tex
dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

rh

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 04:18 PM, george legge wrote:

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:

   
 


   

The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the following,
from within the directory where that file now is:
latex newfile1.tex

dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

 


Thank you for that quick response to my problem.
Yes, I started  a new file (newfile5) in LyX and followed your instructions.
I got essentially the same error, running outside LyX:


This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)
dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro.
Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

What is the next step in debugging?

   
I don't know myself. Let me try to bring Uwe in here. He knows more 
about this kind of thing. Or JMarc?


rh

Re: double quotes

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:10 PM, Rodrigo Fresneda wrote:

Hi lyx-users,

whenever I use double quotes   in lyx,   I get  instead the expression
\textquotedbl{} in the plain latex file. Strangely enough, lyx does not
translate \textquotedbl{} to   if I attempt to import the tex file.
This behavior does not affect latex compilation, but it does strain my
collaborations with scientific workplace users.
Why doesn't lyx simply export  to ?

   
You are talking about the  character, which is not a double quote at 
all. Rather, it is the inch character, or something of the sort. 
Still, you are right that \textquotedbl ought to be imported as , since 
the impossible ideal is to have roundtrip export and import. I'd suggest 
you file a bug about this at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
Click on Report New Bug.

rh

Re: fail running Lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:36 PM, Eugenio Raliuga wrote:

I have installed Lyx from synaptic in Ubuntu 9.10
but when I want to run it the next window appears

Could not launch application
Failed to execute child process /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ9571/lyxsocket (No such
file or directory)

Anyone could give me a hint or better a way to solve this problem?

   

Hmm. Can you try starting LyX from a terminal, via lyx -dbg all?

rh

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

Sorry to top-post, but this is a long message.

On 03/30/2010 11:50 PM, george legge wrote:

Hello to you all  --  This is my first message to the list.

I have the 64bit version of Lyx 1.6.4 running on 64bit SUSE 11.1 together
with Texlive.

Lyx would not convert to pdf until I installed kdegraphics3-pdf and
kdegraphics3-postscript.

   

Are you sure that LyX would not convert to PDF? This sounds like...


Without those packages, it seems the 64bit installation does not have a
version of kpdf (information off the web).

  Fine, I can now view as pdf and print that. I can also view as dvi; but
that's as far as it goes.

   
...what it wouldn't do is ViewPDF. Would FileExportPDF work? Whether 
kpdf (or any other pdf viewer) is installed should be irrelevant to 
LyX's export capabilities, though it is of course relevant to its 
viewing capabilities.



I cannot view as postscript. I get a window with an error message:

An error occurred whilst running dvips -t a4 -o 'newfile1.ps'
'newfile1.dvi'.

  In the terminal window, I get the same error message followed by:

This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)

dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro

Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

Error: Cannot convert file.

   
The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from 
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the 
following, from within the directory where that file now is:

latex newfile1.tex
dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

rh

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 04:18 PM, george legge wrote:

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:

   
 


   

The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the following,
from within the directory where that file now is:
latex newfile1.tex

dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

 


Thank you for that quick response to my problem.
Yes, I started  a new file (newfile5) in LyX and followed your instructions.
I got essentially the same error, running outside LyX:


This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)
dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro.
Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

What is the next step in debugging?

   
I don't know myself. Let me try to bring Uwe in here. He knows more 
about this kind of thing. Or JMarc?


rh

Re: double quotes

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:10 PM, Rodrigo Fresneda wrote:

Hi lyx-users,

whenever I use double quotes   in lyx,   I get  instead the expression
\textquotedbl{} in the plain latex file. Strangely enough, lyx does not
translate \textquotedbl{} to   if I attempt to import the tex file.
This behavior does not affect latex compilation, but it does strain my
collaborations with scientific workplace users.
Why doesn't lyx simply export  to ?

   
You are talking about the  character, which is not a double quote at 
all. Rather, it is the inch character, or something of the sort. 
Still, you are right that \textquotedbl ought to be imported as , since 
the impossible ideal is to have roundtrip export and import. I'd suggest 
you file a bug about this at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
Click on Report New Bug.

rh

Re: fail running Lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:36 PM, Eugenio Raliuga wrote:

I have installed Lyx from synaptic in Ubuntu 9.10
but when I want to run it the next window appears

Could not launch application
Failed to execute child process /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ9571/lyxsocket (No such
file or directory)

Anyone could give me a hint or better a way to solve this problem?

   

Hmm. Can you try starting LyX from a terminal, via lyx -dbg all?

rh

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

Sorry to top-post, but this is a long message.

On 03/30/2010 11:50 PM, george legge wrote:

Hello to you all  --  This is my first message to the list.

I have the 64bit version of Lyx 1.6.4 running on 64bit SUSE 11.1 together
with Texlive.

Lyx would not convert to pdf until I installed kdegraphics3-pdf and
kdegraphics3-postscript.

   

Are you sure that LyX would not convert to PDF? This sounds like...


Without those packages, it seems the 64bit installation does not have a
version of kpdf (information off the web).

  Fine, I can now view as pdf and print that. I can also view as dvi; but
that's as far as it goes.

   
...what it wouldn't do is View>PDF. Would File>Export>PDF work? Whether 
kpdf (or any other pdf viewer) is installed should be irrelevant to 
LyX's export capabilities, though it is of course relevant to its 
viewing capabilities.



I cannot view as postscript. I get a window with an error message:

An error occurred whilst running dvips -t a4 -o 'newfile1.ps'
'newfile1.dvi'.

  In the terminal window, I get the same error message followed by:

This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)

dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro

Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

Error: Cannot convert file.

   
The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from 
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the 
following, from within the directory where that file now is:

latex newfile1.tex
dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

rh

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 04:18 PM, george legge wrote:

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, rgheck<rgh...@bobjweil.com>  wrote:

   
 


   

The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from
outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the following,
from within the directory where that file now is:
latex newfile1.tex

dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
Do you get the same error?

 


Thank you for that quick response to my problem.
Yes, I started  a new file (newfile5) in LyX and followed your instructions.
I got essentially the same error, running outside LyX:


This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)
dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro.
Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

What is the next step in debugging?

   
I don't know myself. Let me try to bring Uwe in here. He knows more 
about this kind of thing. Or JMarc?


rh

Re: double quotes

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:10 PM, Rodrigo Fresneda wrote:

Hi lyx-users,

whenever I use double quotes "  in lyx,   I get  instead the expression
\textquotedbl{} in the plain latex file. Strangely enough, lyx does not
translate \textquotedbl{} to "  if I attempt to import the tex file.
This behavior does not affect latex compilation, but it does strain my
collaborations with scientific workplace users.
Why doesn't lyx simply export " to "?

   
You are talking about the " character, which is not a double quote at 
all. Rather, it is the "inch" character, or something of the sort. 
Still, you are right that \textquotedbl ought to be imported as ", since 
the impossible ideal is to have roundtrip export and import. I'd suggest 
you file a bug about this at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
Click on "Report New Bug".

rh

Re: fail running Lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/31/2010 06:36 PM, Eugenio Raliuga wrote:

I have installed Lyx from synaptic in Ubuntu 9.10
but when I want to run it the next window appears

Could not launch application
Failed to execute child process "/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ9571/lyxsocket" (No such
file or directory)

Anyone could give me a hint or better a way to solve this problem?

   

Hmm. Can you try starting LyX from a terminal, via "lyx -dbg all"?

rh

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 03:50 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I followed your instructions and got at point 4 an error, which I posted
there. What went wrong?

Wolfgang
   

Wei-Dong Lianweidong.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
   

SNIP

 

ECN
Weidong
   

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
  Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


  And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the source code.

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
(Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
previously installed version.

Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
 


wolfgang:/home/wolfgang# make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
make: *** Keine Regel, um »install« zu erstellen.  Schluss.
(no rule to produce 'install'. end)

ps: I used su instead of sudo.

   
Unless you are compiling from your home directory, which isn't really a 
good idea, then you need to get into the directory where the sources 
live, which in these instructions would be ~/local/lyx165.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 11:53 AM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello forum,

I have written the thesis in a single .lyx file.


Now to comply with  the university standard i have to include front page,
the title page and then the main report that i have written.


Any hint how to do  that from LyX interface ?

   
What format do you have those pages in? Or is the question how to create 
them?


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often 
are supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put 
them on the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, 
that is fairly easy to do.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 12:58 PM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello,

It has to be merged as a single pdf file and front front pages are in the
Miicrosoft Office Word format.

So after merging all  the front and title pages to the main report , it must
be compiled as a single pdf file.

   

Then this option


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often are
supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put them on
the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, that is
fairly easy to do.

 

will work. Just substitute Word for OpenOffice.

rh

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 03:50 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I followed your instructions and got at point 4 an error, which I posted
there. What went wrong?

Wolfgang
   

Wei-Dong Lianweidong.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
   

SNIP

 

ECN
Weidong
   

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
  Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


  And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the source code.

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
(Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
previously installed version.

Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
 


wolfgang:/home/wolfgang# make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
make: *** Keine Regel, um »install« zu erstellen.  Schluss.
(no rule to produce 'install'. end)

ps: I used su instead of sudo.

   
Unless you are compiling from your home directory, which isn't really a 
good idea, then you need to get into the directory where the sources 
live, which in these instructions would be ~/local/lyx165.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 11:53 AM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello forum,

I have written the thesis in a single .lyx file.


Now to comply with  the university standard i have to include front page,
the title page and then the main report that i have written.


Any hint how to do  that from LyX interface ?

   
What format do you have those pages in? Or is the question how to create 
them?


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often 
are supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put 
them on the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, 
that is fairly easy to do.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 12:58 PM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello,

It has to be merged as a single pdf file and front front pages are in the
Miicrosoft Office Word format.

So after merging all  the front and title pages to the main report , it must
be compiled as a single pdf file.

   

Then this option


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often are
supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put them on
the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, that is
fairly easy to do.

 

will work. Just substitute Word for OpenOffice.

rh

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 03:50 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I followed your instructions and got at point 4 an error, which I posted
there. What went wrong?

Wolfgang
   

Wei-Dong Lian  wrote:
 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
   



 

ECN
Weidong
   

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
  Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


  And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the "source code".

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
(Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
previously installed version.

Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
 


wolfgang:/home/wolfgang# make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
make: *** Keine Regel, um »install« zu erstellen.  Schluss.
(no rule to produce 'install'. end)

ps: I used su instead of sudo.

   
Unless you are compiling from your home directory, which isn't really a 
good idea, then you need to get into the directory where the sources 
live, which in these instructions would be ~/local/lyx165.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 11:53 AM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello forum,

I have written the thesis in a single .lyx file.


Now to comply with  the university standard i have to include front page,
the title page and then the main report that i have written.


Any hint how to do  that from LyX interface ?

   
What format do you have those pages in? Or is the question how to create 
them?


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often 
are supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put 
them on the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, 
that is fairly easy to do.


rh

Re: Include file

[rgheck]

On 03/30/2010 12:58 PM, Sajjad wrote:

Hello,

It has to be merged as a single pdf file and front front pages are in the
Miicrosoft Office Word format.

So after merging all  the front and title pages to the main report , it must
be compiled as a single pdf file.

   

Then this option


One option is to create them in OpenOffice or something, as these often are
supposed to have a very particular format. Then print them and put them on
the front. If you have to adjust page numbers in the LyX file, that is
fairly easy to do.

 

will work. Just substitute Word for OpenOffice.

rh

Re: Letters floating- Low quality

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 08:08 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hello, when my work is transfered  to pdf the quality of the letters in the
pdf (version 8) is very low specially letters of the  floating. What can I
do? In addition I can only choose between three kind of letter: time roman,
sans-serif and typewriter, which package can I install, which is its actual
name? Because I have read that the lmodern contains several types of
letters but I dont know which lmodern package I should download.

   
You are right that this is a font issue. Look under 
DocumentSettingsFonts, and see if you do not have more options under 
Roman.


rh

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/28/2010 10:37 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:

Tim Wescottt...@...  writes:

   

rgheck wrote:
 

OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often
myself, but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course
that the output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be
done with a script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.
   

My version of OpenOffice -- 3.1, on Ubuntu 9.10, did not seem to have
this capability, either as a save as or export to.

 

Haven't used it myself, but you might try http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/.

   
Exactly. On Fedora, this is in the openoffice.org-writer2latex package. 
Once it is installed, you can Export to LaTeX.


But what I described has already been done:
http://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/pyodconverter
Unfortunately, I can't yet get it to work

rh

Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about 
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:

http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use 
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and 
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 12:27 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 3/29/10, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:
   

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/

 

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including OpenDocument
and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend.

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two converters?

   

If we can get them working reliably.

rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 12:27:54 Liviu Andronic wrote:
   

On 3/29/10, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:
 

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
   

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including
  OpenDocument and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend.

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two
  converters? Liviu
 

I'd tend to answer no. As years go by, tons of converters are going to come
and go. Tons of formats are going to come and go. If interfaces to all these
converters and formats are put in LyX, LyX will become big and bloated, and
that will give bugs more places to hide. My suggestion would be to put
converter interfaces in a separate executable that outputs either LyX or
LaTeX, and maybe have that callable from LyX.

   
There's actually not much cost with adding such interfaces, except that, 
in 1.6.x, the Import and Export menu can become kind of crowded, as more 
and more options become available. But making the options available 
involve adds almost nothing to LyX, except the memory to store a few 
strings.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:23 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 11:34:49 rgheck wrote:
   

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found
  UnoConv: http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.

rh

 

Hi Richard,

In the conversion to OO, does unoconv preserve styles, or does it just convert
each application of each style to equivalent fingerpainting?

In the conversion from OO to LaTeX, have you found a way to have the
conversion preserve styles, or does it just convert each application of each
style to equivalent fingerpainting?

If a way is found to preserve style application all the way through the
conversion, that's a huge win, or as VP Biden would say, a big bleepin deal!

   
I know that writer2latex (which exists standalone and as as an OOo 
extension) will preserve at least some styling, such as section 
headings. What else it will do, I don't know. But it is under active 
development and so requests could be made. But I would guess there are 
some limits here. Getting something to convert OOo styles to LaTeX 
styles (commands or environments) would be non-trivial.


rh

Re: writer2latex Packages under Ubuntu

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:38 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
Ubuntu lists not one, but _two_ writer2latex packages: writer2latex, 
and openoffice.org-writer2latex.


Anyone know whazzup?  Is one free-standing, the other a plugin?


Yes, exactly.

Do I need just one, both, the first if I install the second, but not 
the other way around?


If you want just to export from OOo, install the plugin. If you want to 
do it from the command line, install that one.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.

   
I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, 
as long as you can install the various dependencies.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:

   

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.



   

I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh


 

Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.

   
I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:



On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:



Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.





I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh




Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.


I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Letters floating- Low quality

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 08:08 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hello, when my work is transfered  to pdf the quality of the letters in the
pdf (version 8) is very low specially letters of the  floating. What can I
do? In addition I can only choose between three kind of letter: time roman,
sans-serif and typewriter, which package can I install, which is its actual
name? Because I have read that the lmodern contains several types of
letters but I dont know which lmodern package I should download.

   
You are right that this is a font issue. Look under 
DocumentSettingsFonts, and see if you do not have more options under 
Roman.


rh

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/28/2010 10:37 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:

Tim Wescottt...@...  writes:

   

rgheck wrote:
 

OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often
myself, but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course
that the output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be
done with a script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.
   

My version of OpenOffice -- 3.1, on Ubuntu 9.10, did not seem to have
this capability, either as a save as or export to.

 

Haven't used it myself, but you might try http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/.

   
Exactly. On Fedora, this is in the openoffice.org-writer2latex package. 
Once it is installed, you can Export to LaTeX.


But what I described has already been done:
http://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/pyodconverter
Unfortunately, I can't yet get it to work

rh

Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about 
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:

http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use 
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and 
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 12:27 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 3/29/10, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:
   

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/

 

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including OpenDocument
and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend.

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two converters?

   

If we can get them working reliably.

rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 12:27:54 Liviu Andronic wrote:
   

On 3/29/10, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:
 

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
   

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including
  OpenDocument and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend.

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two
  converters? Liviu
 

I'd tend to answer no. As years go by, tons of converters are going to come
and go. Tons of formats are going to come and go. If interfaces to all these
converters and formats are put in LyX, LyX will become big and bloated, and
that will give bugs more places to hide. My suggestion would be to put
converter interfaces in a separate executable that outputs either LyX or
LaTeX, and maybe have that callable from LyX.

   
There's actually not much cost with adding such interfaces, except that, 
in 1.6.x, the Import and Export menu can become kind of crowded, as more 
and more options become available. But making the options available 
involve adds almost nothing to LyX, except the memory to store a few 
strings.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:23 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 11:34:49 rgheck wrote:
   

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found
  UnoConv: http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.

rh

 

Hi Richard,

In the conversion to OO, does unoconv preserve styles, or does it just convert
each application of each style to equivalent fingerpainting?

In the conversion from OO to LaTeX, have you found a way to have the
conversion preserve styles, or does it just convert each application of each
style to equivalent fingerpainting?

If a way is found to preserve style application all the way through the
conversion, that's a huge win, or as VP Biden would say, a big bleepin deal!

   
I know that writer2latex (which exists standalone and as as an OOo 
extension) will preserve at least some styling, such as section 
headings. What else it will do, I don't know. But it is under active 
development and so requests could be made. But I would guess there are 
some limits here. Getting something to convert OOo styles to LaTeX 
styles (commands or environments) would be non-trivial.


rh

Re: writer2latex Packages under Ubuntu

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:38 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
Ubuntu lists not one, but _two_ writer2latex packages: writer2latex, 
and openoffice.org-writer2latex.


Anyone know whazzup?  Is one free-standing, the other a plugin?


Yes, exactly.

Do I need just one, both, the first if I install the second, but not 
the other way around?


If you want just to export from OOo, install the plugin. If you want to 
do it from the command line, install that one.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.

   
I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, 
as long as you can install the various dependencies.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:

   

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.



   

I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh


 

Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.

   
I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com  wrote:



On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:



Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.





I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh




Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.


I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Letters floating- Low quality

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 08:08 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hello, when my work is transfered  to pdf the quality of the letters in the
pdf (version 8) is very low specially letters of the  floating. What can I
do? In addition I can only choose between three kind of letter: time roman,
sans-serif and typewriter, which package can I install, which is its actual
name? Because I have read that the "lmodern" contains several types of
letters but I dont know which lmodern package I should download.

   
You are right that this is a font issue. Look under 
Document>Settings>Fonts, and see if you do not have more options under 
Roman.


rh

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/28/2010 10:37 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:

Tim Wescott<t...@...>  writes:

   

rgheck wrote:
 

OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often
myself, but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course
that the output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be
done with a script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.
   

My version of OpenOffice -- 3.1, on Ubuntu 9.10, did not seem to have
this capability, either as a "save as" or "export to".

 

Haven't used it myself, but you might try http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/.

   
Exactly. On Fedora, this is in the openoffice.org-writer2latex package. 
Once it is installed, you can Export to LaTeX.


But what I described has already been done:
http://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/pyodconverter
Unfortunately, I can't yet get it to work

rh

Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about 
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:

http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use 
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and 
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 12:27 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 3/29/10, rgheck<rgh...@bobjweil.com>  wrote:
   

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/

 

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
"JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including OpenDocument
and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend."

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two converters?

   

If we can get them working reliably.

rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 12:27:54 Liviu Andronic wrote:
   

On 3/29/10, rgheck<rgh...@bobjweil.com>  wrote:
 

connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found UnoConv:
 http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
   

There is a second possibility to convert anything that OpenOffice can
chew: jodconverter. From the description:
"JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, leverages OpenOffice.org to
provide import/export filters for various office formats including
  OpenDocument and Microsoft Office.

This package provides a command-line frontend."

Would it make sense to provide menu entries in LyX for these two
  converters? Liviu
 

I'd tend to answer "no". As years go by, tons of converters are going to come
and go. Tons of formats are going to come and go. If interfaces to all these
converters and formats are put in LyX, LyX will become big and bloated, and
that will give bugs more places to hide. My suggestion would be to put
converter interfaces in a separate executable that outputs either LyX or
LaTeX, and maybe have that callable from LyX.

   
There's actually not much cost with adding such interfaces, except that, 
in 1.6.x, the Import and Export menu can become kind of crowded, as more 
and more options become available. But making the options available 
involve adds almost nothing to LyX, except the memory to store a few 
strings.


rh

Re: Convert Almost Anything To LaTeX

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:23 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 29 March 2010 11:34:49 rgheck wrote:
   

So I couldn't get PyODConverter to work---I kept getting an error about
not connecting to my running OpenOffice instance---but then I found
  UnoConv: http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/
I can't get the LaTeX export option to work there, but one could use
this to convert from DOC (or anything else OOo can import) to ODT and
then use writer2latex to convert ODT to LaTeX.

rh

 

Hi Richard,

In the conversion to OO, does unoconv preserve styles, or does it just convert
each application of each style to equivalent fingerpainting?

In the conversion from OO to LaTeX, have you found a way to have the
conversion preserve styles, or does it just convert each application of each
style to equivalent fingerpainting?

If a way is found to preserve style application all the way through the
conversion, that's a huge win, or as VP Biden would say, "a big bleepin deal!"

   
I know that writer2latex (which exists standalone and as as an OOo 
extension) will preserve at least some styling, such as section 
headings. What else it will do, I don't know. But it is under active 
development and so requests could be made. But I would guess there are 
some limits here. Getting something to convert OOo styles to LaTeX 
styles (commands or environments) would be non-trivial.


rh

Re: writer2latex Packages under Ubuntu

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 01:38 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
Ubuntu lists not one, but _two_ writer2latex packages: writer2latex, 
and openoffice.org-writer2latex.


Anyone know whazzup?  Is one free-standing, the other a plugin?


Yes, exactly.

Do I need just one, both, the first if I install the second, but not 
the other way around?


If you want just to export from OOo, install the plugin. If you want to 
do it from the command line, install that one.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.

   
I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, 
as long as you can install the various dependencies.


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheck<rgh...@bobjweil.com>  wrote:

   

On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.



   

I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh


 

Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.

   
I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04

[rgheck]

On 03/29/2010 06:22 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, rgheck<rgh...@bobjweil.com>  wrote:



On 03/29/2010 02:17 PM, Wei-Dong Lian wrote:



Hi everyone,

I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
By default, lyx 1.5.3 is installed in ubuntu 8.04, to be honest, I began
with lyx1.6.4, so now all of my old lyx documents could not be opened. In
addition, in the new version of lyx after 1.64 they really added more
useful
features, easy to use. So if any suggestion will be appreciated.





I assume you could compile 1.6.4 yourself? This is not that hard to do, as
long as you can install the various dependencies.

rh




Thanks for your suggestions, I am afraid it is not that easy to install
these various dependencies.
It is more complex, I need to install many packages and remove many packages
to satisfy the decencies between packages.
I added one source list of lyx 1.64 of ubuntu9.10 to my source list,  and I
tried the command 'sudo aptitude install lyx', it got several solutions to
install lyx 1.64, but it seemed that I will remove nearly all of packages in
my ubuntu 8.04 and install new packages. so I did not dare to try that, it
may harm my current system. If someone had experienced a successful case
like this, please give me some suggestions, thanks in advance. And also any
other solution will be welcomed.


I don't think this is what people were suggesting at all. Trying to 
install packages from the 9.10 directories to an 8.04 install is 
definitely not going to work, for exactly the reason you see.


The dependencies you need to compile LyX should not be that bad, just a 
bunch of -devel or -dev packages, which are often not very large. Did 
you try that suggestion? If so, what happened?


rh

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/27/2010 02:41 PM, Claudio Beccari wrote:

Dear all,
those using LyX or direct LaTeX (pdflatex) often need to convert 
sources in MS Word .doc format into .lix format.
On Linux platforms there are at least AbiWord and Kword that can open 
doc files and save them in various other formats, .tex included. 
Unfortunately the LaTeX file thus obtained is pittyful.


OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often myself, 
but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course that the 
output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be done with a 
script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.


From the wiki page of LyX it is possible to download of a 
Word2LyXMacro that works well for on Windows platformas, but I did not 
succeed to make it work on a Mac with MSOffice2004. On Windows the 
macro performs very well and the LyX code produced allows LyX to view 
the file without problems and possibly to save it in .lyx format, of 
course but also in a pretty good LaTeX format, which in general 
requires just a few minor adjustments, for language, input encoding, 
output font encoding, font usage (Latin Modern would be a better 
default then EC if the pdflatex option is selected), and few other 
small things.
Somewhere on the package description for the Debian/Ubuntu package the 
wv software is suggested; apparently this software has so many 
dependencies that even on a Ubuntu platform it's difficult to compile 
and install it, even if the wv libraries are already installed.
I would kindly suggest to examine the possibility of integrating into 
LyX the necessary code to open, read, edit  a .doc file on any LyX 
implementation (Linux, Mac, Windows), so as to be able to save it in 
.lyx format. Any user can reopen the .lyx file and do with it anything 
LyX is capable of.


I have thought for a while about writing some sort of doc2tex script 
using OpenOffice. You could use PyUno to run OpenOffice headless, import 
the doc file and then export it as LaTeX. Then one could try to do some 
cleanup and, optionally, pass the resulting file to tex2lyx. But I 
haven't found the time or willpower to mess with PyUno. Still, I don't 
think it would be very hard for someone who knew a bit of Java.


rh

s/^\\backslash.*$//g
s/^\\latex.*$//g
s/^\\newline\s+$//g
s/\\protected_separator\s+$//g
s/\\align.*$//g
s/\\series.*$//g
#/^$/d

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/27/2010 02:41 PM, Claudio Beccari wrote:

Dear all,
those using LyX or direct LaTeX (pdflatex) often need to convert 
sources in MS Word .doc format into .lix format.
On Linux platforms there are at least AbiWord and Kword that can open 
doc files and save them in various other formats, .tex included. 
Unfortunately the LaTeX file thus obtained is pittyful.


OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often myself, 
but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course that the 
output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be done with a 
script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.


From the wiki page of LyX it is possible to download of a 
Word2LyXMacro that works well for on Windows platformas, but I did not 
succeed to make it work on a Mac with MSOffice2004. On Windows the 
macro performs very well and the LyX code produced allows LyX to view 
the file without problems and possibly to save it in .lyx format, of 
course but also in a pretty good LaTeX format, which in general 
requires just a few minor adjustments, for language, input encoding, 
output font encoding, font usage (Latin Modern would be a better 
default then EC if the pdflatex option is selected), and few other 
small things.
Somewhere on the package description for the Debian/Ubuntu package the 
wv software is suggested; apparently this software has so many 
dependencies that even on a Ubuntu platform it's difficult to compile 
and install it, even if the wv libraries are already installed.
I would kindly suggest to examine the possibility of integrating into 
LyX the necessary code to open, read, edit  a .doc file on any LyX 
implementation (Linux, Mac, Windows), so as to be able to save it in 
.lyx format. Any user can reopen the .lyx file and do with it anything 
LyX is capable of.


I have thought for a while about writing some sort of doc2tex script 
using OpenOffice. You could use PyUno to run OpenOffice headless, import 
the doc file and then export it as LaTeX. Then one could try to do some 
cleanup and, optionally, pass the resulting file to tex2lyx. But I 
haven't found the time or willpower to mess with PyUno. Still, I don't 
think it would be very hard for someone who knew a bit of Java.


rh

s/^\\backslash.*$//g
s/^\\latex.*$//g
s/^\\newline\s+$//g
s/\\protected_separator\s+$//g
s/\\align.*$//g
s/\\series.*$//g
#/^$/d

Re: Importing doc documents

[rgheck]

On 03/27/2010 02:41 PM, Claudio Beccari wrote:

Dear all,
those using LyX or direct LaTeX (pdflatex) often need to convert 
sources in MS Word .doc format into .lix format.
On Linux platforms there are at least AbiWord and Kword that can open 
doc files and save them in various other formats, .tex included. 
Unfortunately the LaTeX file thus obtained is pittyful.


OpenOffice will also save in LaTeX format. I have used it often myself, 
but with old WordPerfect files, and you are right of course that the 
output file could use some cleaning up. Much of this can be done with a 
script, such as the exceedingly trivial sed script attached.


>From the wiki page of LyX it is possible to download of a 
Word2LyXMacro that works well for on Windows platformas, but I did not 
succeed to make it work on a Mac with MSOffice2004. On Windows the 
macro performs very well and the LyX code produced allows LyX to view 
the file without problems and possibly to save it in .lyx format, of 
course but also in a pretty good LaTeX format, which in general 
requires just a few minor adjustments, for language, input encoding, 
output font encoding, font usage (Latin Modern would be a better 
default then EC if the pdflatex option is selected), and few other 
small things.
Somewhere on the package description for the Debian/Ubuntu package the 
wv software is suggested; apparently this software has so many 
dependencies that even on a Ubuntu platform it's difficult to compile 
and install it, even if the wv libraries are already installed.
I would kindly suggest to examine the possibility of integrating into 
LyX the necessary code to open, read, edit  a .doc file on any LyX 
implementation (Linux, Mac, Windows), so as to be able to save it in 
.lyx format. Any user can reopen the .lyx file and do with it anything 
LyX is capable of.


I have thought for a while about writing some sort of doc2tex script 
using OpenOffice. You could use PyUno to run OpenOffice headless, import 
the doc file and then export it as LaTeX. Then one could try to do some 
cleanup and, optionally, pass the resulting file to tex2lyx. But I 
haven't found the time or willpower to mess with PyUno. Still, I don't 
think it would be very hard for someone who knew a bit of Java.


rh

s/^\\backslash.*$//g
s/^\\latex.*$//g
s/^\\newline\s+$//g
s/\\protected_separator\s+$//g
s/\\align.*$//g
s/\\series.*$//g
#/^$/d

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:14 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
   

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.
 

A generic error reporting for all programs called by LyX would be a great
help indeed.


For the Unicode in bibtex database problem, the solution might be to
use a unicode aware processor, e.g.

 * CrossTeX_, a backwards-compatible, improved bibtex
   re-implementation in Python (including HTML export).
   (development stalled since 2 years)

  * Pybtex_,a drop-in replacement for BibTeX written in Python.

   * BibTeX styles  (experimental) pythonic style API.
   * Database in BibTeX, BibTeXML and YAML formats.
   * full Unicode support.
   * Write to TeX, HTML and plain text.

.. _CrossTeX: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/crosstex/
.. _Pybtex:   http://pybtex.sourceforge.net/


   
You can also use biber with biblatex: 
http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:20 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
   

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com  wrote:
 

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
   
   

I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...
   

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?
 

Because CTAN contains the *LaTeX* packages/classes while for using
them in LyX, we need *in addition to them* also LyX modules/layouts.

This need for definitions on both, LyX and LaTeX levels is a main
reason why creating/editing LyX layouts is such a complex task.
(And also the base for much frustation for people with either a just a
LyX layout or just a LaTeX class or package.)

   
That said, beamer includes a LyX layout, and I would expect that many 
other classes would be happy to include layouts, too, if someone 
provided one. Alternatively, or additionally, we could ask the CTAN 
folks to create a place for LyX layouts, rather than hosting them on our 
own server.


rh

Re: Interline Space

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 07:28 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hi, I have a problem with Lyx and the spaces between paragraphs. For some
reason despite the fact that I have selected the optional of default in
space between paragraphs there are paragraphs that appear with a greater
space between them. What could be due to?

   
Are there strange things about the pages where this happens? LaTeX will 
sometimes stretch the space between paragraphs, if that is necessary due 
to page breaking issues.


rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # exotic document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard

Re: Dimension too large

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 10:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 25.03.2010 23:49, schrieb Marcelo Acuña:


  I have a koma-script book in US letter page.
  When I try to go to A5 size I get this error when run latex:

Dimension too large.


Very strange. Do you have a _small_ LyX example file?


A5 is a small page. I'd suspect a float too large to fit.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:14 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
   

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.
 

A generic error reporting for all programs called by LyX would be a great
help indeed.


For the Unicode in bibtex database problem, the solution might be to
use a unicode aware processor, e.g.

 * CrossTeX_, a backwards-compatible, improved bibtex
   re-implementation in Python (including HTML export).
   (development stalled since 2 years)

  * Pybtex_,a drop-in replacement for BibTeX written in Python.

   * BibTeX styles  (experimental) pythonic style API.
   * Database in BibTeX, BibTeXML and YAML formats.
   * full Unicode support.
   * Write to TeX, HTML and plain text.

.. _CrossTeX: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/crosstex/
.. _Pybtex:   http://pybtex.sourceforge.net/


   
You can also use biber with biblatex: 
http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:20 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
   

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com  wrote:
 

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
   
   

I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...
   

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?
 

Because CTAN contains the *LaTeX* packages/classes while for using
them in LyX, we need *in addition to them* also LyX modules/layouts.

This need for definitions on both, LyX and LaTeX levels is a main
reason why creating/editing LyX layouts is such a complex task.
(And also the base for much frustation for people with either a just a
LyX layout or just a LaTeX class or package.)

   
That said, beamer includes a LyX layout, and I would expect that many 
other classes would be happy to include layouts, too, if someone 
provided one. Alternatively, or additionally, we could ask the CTAN 
folks to create a place for LyX layouts, rather than hosting them on our 
own server.


rh

Re: Interline Space

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 07:28 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hi, I have a problem with Lyx and the spaces between paragraphs. For some
reason despite the fact that I have selected the optional of default in
space between paragraphs there are paragraphs that appear with a greater
space between them. What could be due to?

   
Are there strange things about the pages where this happens? LaTeX will 
sometimes stretch the space between paragraphs, if that is necessary due 
to page breaking issues.


rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # exotic document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard

Re: Dimension too large

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 10:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 25.03.2010 23:49, schrieb Marcelo Acuña:


  I have a koma-script book in US letter page.
  When I try to go to A5 size I get this error when run latex:

Dimension too large.


Very strange. Do you have a _small_ LyX example file?


A5 is a small page. I'd suspect a float too large to fit.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:14 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
   

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.
 

A generic error reporting for all programs called by LyX would be a great
help indeed.


For the "Unicode in bibtex database problem", the solution might be to
use a unicode aware processor, e.g.

 * CrossTeX_, a backwards-compatible, improved bibtex
   re-implementation in Python (including HTML export).
   (development stalled since 2 years)

  * Pybtex_,a drop-in replacement for BibTeX written in Python.

   * BibTeX styles&  (experimental) pythonic style API.
   * Database in BibTeX, BibTeXML and YAML formats.
   * full Unicode support.
   * Write to TeX, HTML and plain text.

.. _CrossTeX: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/crosstex/
.. _Pybtex:   http://pybtex.sourceforge.net/


   
You can also use biber with biblatex: 
http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 06:20 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-23, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
   

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt  wrote:
 

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
   
   

I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...
   

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?
 

Because CTAN contains the *LaTeX* packages/classes while for using
them in LyX, we need *in addition to them* also LyX modules/layouts.

This need for definitions on both, LyX and LaTeX levels is a main
reason why creating/editing LyX layouts is such a complex task.
(And also the base for much frustation for people with either a just a
LyX layout or just a LaTeX class or package.)

   
That said, beamer includes a LyX layout, and I would expect that many 
other classes would be happy to include layouts, too, if someone 
provided one. Alternatively, or additionally, we could ask the CTAN 
folks to create a place for LyX layouts, rather than hosting them on our 
own server.


rh

Re: Interline Space

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 07:28 AM, YURENA MENDOZA wrote:

Hi, I have a problem with Lyx and the spaces between paragraphs. For some
reason despite the fact that I have selected the optional of "default" in
space between paragraphs there are paragraphs that appear with a greater
space between them. What could be due to?

   
Are there strange things about the pages where this happens? LaTeX will 
sometimes stretch the space between paragraphs, if that is necessary due 
to page breaking issues.


rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # "exotic" document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard

Re: Dimension too large

[rgheck]

On 03/25/2010 10:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 25.03.2010 23:49, schrieb Marcelo Acuña:


  I have a koma-script book in US letter page.
  When I try to go to A5 size I get this error when run latex:

Dimension too large.


Very strange. Do you have a _small_ LyX example file?


A5 is a small page. I'd suspect a float too large to fit.

rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by do this? Do you mean, install the full 
texlive suite? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh

Re: Opening LyX-2.0 Files in LyX-1.6.5

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 06:55 PM, Jack Desert wrote:

I found myself wanting to open the same document sometimes in LyX 2.0
and sometimes in LyX 1.6.5. Oh sure, a LyX 1.6.5 document opens fine
in LyX 2.0, but I ran into an error when trying open a LyX 2.0
document in LyX 1.6.5.

So I did a little experimentation. I copied the LyX 2.0 lyx/lib/lyx2lyx
folder into the LyX 1.6.5 lyx/lib/ directory. Then recompiled LyX 1.6.5.
Voilá. Now I can open the same file with either version of LyX. Am I
violating any taboo here? Does this void the LyX warranty?

   
This is normal. The lyx2lyx script shipped with 1.6.5 converts PRIOR 
formats to the 1.6 format and vice versa. The version of lyx2lyx 
presently in trunk will convert *any* (existing) format to any other 
(existing) format. Since it's a self-contained python script, you can 
indeed do precisely what you've done.


rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by do this? Do you mean, install the full 
texlive suite? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh

Re: Opening LyX-2.0 Files in LyX-1.6.5

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 06:55 PM, Jack Desert wrote:

I found myself wanting to open the same document sometimes in LyX 2.0
and sometimes in LyX 1.6.5. Oh sure, a LyX 1.6.5 document opens fine
in LyX 2.0, but I ran into an error when trying open a LyX 2.0
document in LyX 1.6.5.

So I did a little experimentation. I copied the LyX 2.0 lyx/lib/lyx2lyx
folder into the LyX 1.6.5 lyx/lib/ directory. Then recompiled LyX 1.6.5.
Voilá. Now I can open the same file with either version of LyX. Am I
violating any taboo here? Does this void the LyX warranty?

   
This is normal. The lyx2lyx script shipped with 1.6.5 converts PRIOR 
formats to the 1.6 format and vice versa. The version of lyx2lyx 
presently in trunk will convert *any* (existing) format to any other 
(existing) format. Since it's a self-contained python script, you can 
indeed do precisely what you've done.


rh

Re: Layout file not usable

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
"create from template" away from "oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!"  Something more like "Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!"


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by "do this"? Do you mean, "install the full 
texlive suite"? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh

Re: Opening LyX-2.0 Files in LyX-1.6.5

[rgheck]

On 03/24/2010 06:55 PM, Jack Desert wrote:

I found myself wanting to open the same document sometimes in LyX 2.0
and sometimes in LyX 1.6.5. Oh sure, a LyX 1.6.5 document opens fine
in LyX 2.0, but I ran into an error when trying open a LyX 2.0
document in LyX 1.6.5.

So I did a little experimentation. I copied the LyX 2.0 lyx/lib/lyx2lyx
folder into the LyX 1.6.5 lyx/lib/ directory. Then recompiled LyX 1.6.5.
Voilá. Now I can open the same file with either version of LyX. Am I
violating any taboo here? Does this void the LyX warranty?

   
This is normal. The lyx2lyx script shipped with 1.6.5 converts PRIOR 
formats to the 1.6 format and vice versa. The version of lyx2lyx 
presently in trunk will convert *any* (existing) format to any other 
(existing) format. Since it's a self-contained python script, you can 
indeed do precisely what you've done.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styleddiv  andspan  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
span, except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why use div and span for everything has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styleddiv  andspan  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
span, except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why use div and span for everything has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this "feature" ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses "really good" markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styled  and  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
"span", except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why "use div and span for everything" has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:43 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

   
This has been discussed often, and I don't know how hard it would be, 
either. I actually suspect that getting something basic working wouldn't 
take much work at all. By basic, I mean: Something that would look like 
a database editor, with lots of combo boxes, text boxes, and the like, 
where you could choose things for the various legal tags. It would load 
a layout file for you, and then you could choose stuff to modify. When 
you were done, it would write the file out. The reading code is of 
course there. The writing code is not. Most of the work would go into 
defining the options, which ones are allowed in which cases, etc. I'm 
not even sure what sort of data structure one would want to use for that.


As a bonus, though this would be a *bit* harder, LyX could show you what 
your new style would look like. Even this wouldn't be too hard, though, 
because of embeddable work areas, such as will be used in the advanced 
search and replace feature. These are little windows that work exactly 
like document windows, except that they don't represent the contents of 
documents. The display one would presumably be marked read-only and show 
some standard example text.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:43 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

   
This has been discussed often, and I don't know how hard it would be, 
either. I actually suspect that getting something basic working wouldn't 
take much work at all. By basic, I mean: Something that would look like 
a database editor, with lots of combo boxes, text boxes, and the like, 
where you could choose things for the various legal tags. It would load 
a layout file for you, and then you could choose stuff to modify. When 
you were done, it would write the file out. The reading code is of 
course there. The writing code is not. Most of the work would go into 
defining the options, which ones are allowed in which cases, etc. I'm 
not even sure what sort of data structure one would want to use for that.


As a bonus, though this would be a *bit* harder, LyX could show you what 
your new style would look like. Even this wouldn't be too hard, though, 
because of embeddable work areas, such as will be used in the advanced 
search and replace feature. These are little windows that work exactly 
like document windows, except that they don't represent the contents of 
documents. The display one would presumably be marked read-only and show 
some standard example text.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying "feature" I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this "feature", I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh