Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say:

 Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042
 »Adding language none« you could tell LyX to ignore the
 non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking.

I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc
an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need
to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names
that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if
something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still
want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes
nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm
not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a
forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I
close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever
GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day.

But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting
the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it
there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker
lines...

So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the
new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. 

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| \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
 and dirty work around...
 
 First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
 spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
 deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 
 
 Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
 switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
 marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
 file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
 return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
 marker lines...
 
 This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW...

One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar
doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way
to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it.
{I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer
coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little x long
enough to click on it...}

Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains
the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first
pressing ctrl+home Then F7 so when it gets to the end of the garbage
file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I
didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end
of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away.
{You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion
should go away by itself every time spell checking is escapeed out of... So
that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would
push the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the
hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} 

-- 
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|   @   @  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~   jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say:

 Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042
 »Adding language none« you could tell LyX to ignore the
 non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking.

I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc
an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need
to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names
that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if
something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still
want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes
nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm
not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a
forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I
close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever
GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day.

But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting
the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it
there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker
lines...

So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the
new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. 

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^J(tWdy)P
| \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
 and dirty work around...
 
 First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
 spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
 deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 
 
 Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
 switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
 marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
 file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
 return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
 marker lines...
 
 This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW...

One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar
doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way
to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it.
{I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer
coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little x long
enough to click on it...}

Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains
the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first
pressing ctrl+home Then F7 so when it gets to the end of the garbage
file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I
didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end
of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away.
{You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion
should go away by itself every time spell checking is escapeed out of... So
that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would
push the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the
hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} 

-- 
|   ~~~   ~~~
|   @   @  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~   jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say:

> Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042
> »Adding language "none"« you could tell LyX to ignore the
> non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking.

I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc
an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need
to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names
that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if
something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still
want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes
nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm
not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a
forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I
close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever
GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day.

But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting
the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it
there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker
lines...

So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the
new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. 

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   <*>   <*>   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^J(tWdy)P
| \___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-27 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

> While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
> and dirty work around...
> 
> First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
> spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
> deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 
> 
> Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
> switch back to the real file and mark & cut everything in between the
> marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
> file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark & cut the contents the
> return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
> marker lines...
> 
> This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW...

One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar
doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way
to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it.
{I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer
coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little "x" long
enough to click on it...}

Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains
the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first
pressing + Then  so when it gets to the end of the garbage
file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I
didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end
of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away.
{You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion
should go away by itself every time spell checking is ed out of... So
that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would
"push" the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the
hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} 

-- 
|   ~~~   ~~~
|   <@>   <@>  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~   <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-26 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
  gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
  ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
  gabaggge word, I had not.)
 
 Ignore All adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for
 the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary.
 And I think it should stop at the second word gabaggge in any case
 except when you did ignore it for the current session.

OK let me be a little more specific...

I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously
added the gabaggge word to the word list by mistake. But the fact
that I positioned the cursor AFTER the gabaggge word before pressing
F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in
a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all
the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed
F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the
gabaggge word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was
correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted
spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the
gabaggge word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker
button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the gabaggge word in
the spellchecker's crosshairs... 


  You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping 
  around.
  
  Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
  spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
  was actually on the first character of the first line after the 
  gabaggge
  marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
  position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
  found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
  the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
  only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  
 
 The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO.
 When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7
 should start over there.

Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, I
didn't change the cursor position to them.

The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if
a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in
which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker,  use ^X to cut the
questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a
browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the
dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition.
At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard,
change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the
corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that
word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and
press F7 again...  

  And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
  But there is an enhancement request already: 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511
  
  Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
  be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
  beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
  could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
  is no longer reliable.
 
 It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually.

Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't.

The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm
spellchecking is as I described above. 

But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I
spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report.
And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard,
And then pasting it into an otherwise empty  .lyx file, does get me a way
to reliably spellcheck the text.

And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a
reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. 

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-26 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
  gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
  ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
  gabaggge word, I had not.)
 
 Ignore All adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for
 the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary.
 And I think it should stop at the second word gabaggge in any case
 except when you did ignore it for the current session.

OK let me be a little more specific...

I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously
added the gabaggge word to the word list by mistake. But the fact
that I positioned the cursor AFTER the gabaggge word before pressing
F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in
a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all
the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed
F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the
gabaggge word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was
correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted
spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the
gabaggge word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker
button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the gabaggge word in
the spellchecker's crosshairs... 


  You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping 
  around.
  
  Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
  spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
  was actually on the first character of the first line after the 
  gabaggge
  marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
  position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
  found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
  the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
  only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  
 
 The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO.
 When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7
 should start over there.

Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, I
didn't change the cursor position to them.

The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if
a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in
which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker,  use ^X to cut the
questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a
browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the
dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition.
At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard,
change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the
corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that
word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and
press F7 again...  

  And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
  But there is an enhancement request already: 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511
  
  Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
  be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
  beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
  could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
  is no longer reliable.
 
 It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually.

Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't.

The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm
spellchecking is as I described above. 

But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I
spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report.
And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard,
And then pasting it into an otherwise empty  .lyx file, does get me a way
to reliably spellcheck the text.

And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a
reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. 

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-26 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say:

> Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
> > Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
> > "gabaggge" word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
> > "~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict" to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
> > "gabaggge" word, I had not.)
> 
> "Ignore All" adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for
> the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary.
> And I think it should stop at the second word "gabaggge" in any case
> except when you did ignore it for the current session.

OK let me be a little more specific...

I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously
added the "gabaggge" word to the word list by mistake. But the fact
that I positioned the cursor AFTER the "gabaggge" word before pressing
F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in
a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all
the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed
F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the
"gabaggge" word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was
correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted
spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the
"gabaggge" word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker
button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the "gabaggge" word in
the spellchecker's crosshairs... 


> >> You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping 
> >> around.
> > 
> > Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
> > spellcheck initiated between two "gabaggge" word markers {the cursor
> > was actually on the first character of the first line after the 
> > "gabaggge"
> > marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
> > position was several chapters deep in the "book" I'm writing. It had not yet
> > found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
> > the "gabaggge" word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
> > only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  
> 
> The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO.
> When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7
> should start over there.

Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, "I"
didn't change the cursor position to them.

The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if
a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in
which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker,  use ^X to cut the
questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a
browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the
dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition.
At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard,
change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the
corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that
word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and
press F7 again...  

> >> And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
> >> But there is an enhancement request already: 
> >> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511
> > 
> > Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
> > be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
> > beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
> > could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
> > is no longer reliable.
> 
> It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually.

Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't.

The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm
spellchecking is as I described above. 

But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I
spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report.
And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard,
And then pasting it into an otherwise empty  .lyx file, does get me a way
to reliably spellcheck the text.

And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a
reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. 

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

   



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

  Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
  the first marker and press F7...

 Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the
 spell checker does not detect the word gabaggge as misspelled and wraps
 around instead? Perhaps you've used Ignore all instead of the Ignore 
 button?

Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
gabaggge word, I had not.)

  Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd
  instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine.
  Well that doesn't work anymore. 

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff
 
  IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
  document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
  skip around the document???
 
 You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around.

Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge
marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  

 And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
 But there is an enhancement request already: 
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511

Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
is no longer reliable. 

I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread
there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that
when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text
for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the
remaining corrections...

I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every
time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux
installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package
manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon
Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on
PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2...

-- 
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|^   J(tWdy)P
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|  '   `



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

  Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
  the first marker and press F7...

 Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the
 spell checker does not detect the word gabaggge as misspelled and wraps
 around instead? Perhaps you've used Ignore all instead of the Ignore 
 button?

Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
gabaggge word, I had not.)

  Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd
  instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine.
  Well that doesn't work anymore. 

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff
 
  IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
  document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
  skip around the document???
 
 You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around.

Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor
was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge
marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet
found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  

 And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
 But there is an enhancement request already: 
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511

Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
is no longer reliable. 

I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread
there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that
when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text
for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the
remaining corrections...

I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every
time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux
installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package
manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon
Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on
PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2...

-- 
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|^   J(tWdy)P
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Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-24 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say:

> Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

> > Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word "gabaggge" on
> > the first marker and press F7...

> Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the
> spell checker does not detect the word "gabaggge" as misspelled and wraps
> around instead? Perhaps you've used "Ignore all" instead of the "Ignore" 
> button?

Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the
"gabaggge" word... (And I note that I also double checked the file:
"~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict" to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the
"gabaggge" word, I had not.)

> > Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd
> > instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine.
> > Well that doesn't work anymore. 

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff
 
> > IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
> > document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
> > skip around the document???
 
> You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around.

Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the
spellcheck initiated between two "gabaggge" word markers {the cursor
was actually on the first character of the first line after the "gabaggge"
marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting
position was several chapters deep in the "book" I'm writing. It had not yet
found  all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between
the "gabaggge" word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that
only occurs in the first few chapters of the book...  

> And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only.
> But there is an enhancement request already: 
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511

Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to
be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the
beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it
could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior
is no longer reliable. 

I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread
there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that
when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text
for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the
remaining corrections...

I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every
time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux
installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package
manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon
Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on
PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
|  '   `



LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal
writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with
that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to
cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. 

Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker
responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with
the ones in the pull down menu.  There doesn't appear to be a way to get
rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the
mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise
that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around.

I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I
don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do
with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English.

Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he
thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns
to his friend and says: Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby! 

Now if that were actually part of my story, say in chapter 3, I'd have taken
care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so
that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this
by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like:

Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line
Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line

Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop
spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be
fine.

Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those
gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly
discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some
questionable word in chapter 3... sigh Even this wouldn't be so bad
except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious
than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them
I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that
couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. 

IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
skip around the document???

I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
to.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

 IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
 document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
 skip around the document???
 
 I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
 damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
 Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
 to.

While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
and dirty work around...

First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 

Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
marker lines...

This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh



LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal
writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with
that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to
cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. 

Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker
responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with
the ones in the pull down menu.  There doesn't appear to be a way to get
rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the
mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise
that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around.

I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I
don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do
with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English.

Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he
thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns
to his friend and says: Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby! 

Now if that were actually part of my story, say in chapter 3, I'd have taken
care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so
that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this
by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like:

Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line
Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line

Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on
the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop
spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be
fine.

Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those
gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly
discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some
questionable word in chapter 3... sigh Even this wouldn't be so bad
except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious
than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them
I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that
couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. 

IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
skip around the document???

I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
to.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

 IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
 document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
 skip around the document???
 
 I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
 damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
 Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
 to.

While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
and dirty work around...

First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 

Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
switch back to the real file and mark  cut everything in between the
marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark  cut the contents the
return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
marker lines...

This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh



LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal
writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with
that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to
cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. 

Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker
responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with
the ones in the pull down menu. & There doesn't appear to be a way to get
rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the
mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise
that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around.

I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I
don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do
with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English.

Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he
thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns
to his friend and says: "Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby!" 

Now if that were actually part of my "story", say in chapter 3, I'd have taken
care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so
that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this
by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like:

Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line
Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line

Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word "gabaggge" on
the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop
spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be
fine.

Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those
gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly
discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some
questionable word in chapter 3...  Even this wouldn't be so bad
except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious
than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them
I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that
couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. 

IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
skip around the document???

I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
to.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|    Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

2011-09-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

> IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the
> document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't
> skip around the document???
> 
> I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk
> damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it...
> Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it
> to.

While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down
and dirty work around...

First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to
spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the
deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. 

Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I
switch back to the real file and mark & cut everything in between the
marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that
file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark & cut the contents the
return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the
marker lines...

This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way.

-- 
|    ^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

   



LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the
spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0???

Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository?

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on
the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of
the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.

At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system
upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS
installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard
shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope}
perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package
maintainers.

I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody
said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays
are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface,
it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut
issues than are aware of it. (simply because they click on the buttons
rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.)

The shortcut issues I'm having are:

1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. 
To
   actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the 
mouse.

2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the
   sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width.
   To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little x marked button in the
   upper right hand corner.
   Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the
   document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width.
   But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard.
   And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected
   the Spellcheck Continuously setting...

If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX...

Please tell me!

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say:

 On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I may be a bit too dependent on
  the various package management systems on my installed distros but 
  most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.
 
 I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management
 systems on a distro.  I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long
 --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it
 wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if
 you oppose its wishes.
 
 I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy).
 
  The shortcut issues I'm having are:
 
  1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull 
  down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the
  button with the mouse.
 
  2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
  3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
 I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue
 about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). 

I'll by that, I'm using E17...

 If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous
 spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now),
 you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all.

That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers
quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have
difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball
than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much
aggravation.

Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that
instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly
underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are
enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm
typing new content...  


 Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window,

{whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna
be stuck with the mouse. 

 or changed to avoid the conflicts.  

Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add
button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or
give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the Replace All button
couldn't use the A anymore. And so on... A better solution would be
perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is
pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell
checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window.

 This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts.  I use cua with a
 few additions (not conflicting with these commands).

Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar
doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember
if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of
the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking
it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting
highlighted...

 One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can
 use the shortcuts.  But typically the focus would be on the main window, and
 since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu.  So you have to
 use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the
 spellchecker window.

{whimper}

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^J(tWdy)P
| \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the
spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0???

Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository?

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on
the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of
the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.

At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system
upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS
installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard
shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope}
perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package
maintainers.

I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody
said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays
are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface,
it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut
issues than are aware of it. (simply because they click on the buttons
rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.)

The shortcut issues I'm having are:

1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. 
To
   actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the 
mouse.

2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the
   sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width.
   To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little x marked button in the
   upper right hand corner.
   Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the
   document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width.
   But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard.
   And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected
   the Spellcheck Continuously setting...

If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX...

Please tell me!

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say:

 On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I may be a bit too dependent on
  the various package management systems on my installed distros but 
  most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.
 
 I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management
 systems on a distro.  I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long
 --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it
 wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if
 you oppose its wishes.
 
 I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy).
 
  The shortcut issues I'm having are:
 
  1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull 
  down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the
  button with the mouse.
 
  2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
  3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull 
  down menu.
  Again I MUST click...
 
 I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue
 about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). 

I'll by that, I'm using E17...

 If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous
 spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now),
 you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all.

That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers
quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have
difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball
than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much
aggravation.

Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that
instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly
underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are
enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm
typing new content...  


 Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window,

{whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna
be stuck with the mouse. 

 or changed to avoid the conflicts.  

Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add
button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or
give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the Replace All button
couldn't use the A anymore. And so on... A better solution would be
perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is
pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell
checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window.

 This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts.  I use cua with a
 few additions (not conflicting with these commands).

Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar
doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember
if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of
the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking
it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting
highlighted...

 One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can
 use the shortcuts.  But typically the focus would be on the main window, and
 since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu.  So you have to
 use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the
 spellchecker window.

{whimper}

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LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the
spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0???

Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository?

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on
the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of
the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.

At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system
upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS
installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard
shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope}
perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package
maintainers.

I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody
said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays
are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface,
it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut
issues than are aware of it. (simply because they "click" on the buttons
rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.)

The shortcut issues I'm having are:

1) The Alt+D on the "Add" button conflicts with the "Document" pull down menu. 
To
   actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the 
mouse.

2) The Alt+I on the "Ignore" button conflicts with the "Insert" pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) The Alt+F on the "Find next" button conflicts with the "File" pull down menu.
   Again I MUST click...

3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the
   sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width.
   To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little "x" marked button in the
   upper right hand corner.
   Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the
   document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width.
   But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard.
   And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected
   the "Spellcheck Continuously" setting...

If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX...

Please tell me!

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say:

> On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> 
> > I may be a bit too dependent on
> > the various package management systems on my installed distros but 
> > most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches.
> 
> I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management
> systems on a distro.  I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long
> --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it
> wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if
> you oppose its wishes.
> 
> I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy).
> 
> > The shortcut issues I'm having are:
> >
> > 1) The Alt+D on the "Add" button conflicts with the "Document" pull 
> > down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the
> > button with the mouse.
> >
> > 2) The Alt+I on the "Ignore" button conflicts with the "Insert" pull 
> > down menu.
> > Again I MUST click...
> >
> > 3) The Alt+F on the "Find next" button conflicts with the "File" pull 
> > down menu.
> > Again I MUST click...
> 
> I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue
> about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). 

I'll by that, I'm using E17...

> If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous
> spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now),
> you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all.

That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers
quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have
difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball
than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much
aggravation.

Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that
instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly
underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are
enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm
typing new content...  


> Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window,

{whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna
be stuck with the mouse. 

> or changed to avoid the conflicts.  

Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add
button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or
give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the "Replace All" button
couldn't use the "A" anymore. And so on... A better solution would be
perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is
pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell
checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window.

> This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts.  I use cua with a
> few additions (not conflicting with these commands).

Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar
doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember
if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of
the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking
it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting
highlighted...

> One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can
> use the shortcuts.  But typically the focus would be on the main window, and
> since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu.  So you have to
> use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the
> spellchecker window.

{whimper}

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
  preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
  but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
  checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
  button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
  “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
  button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
  my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
  I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
  “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
  “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
  “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
  
  IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
  I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove 
  it...
 
 To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck 
 continuously
 you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
 I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
 remove 
 a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
 Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home 
 directory
 below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
going to need to understand this... 

You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
«.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
I've been working on... This serves two purposes:

1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
   during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
   booted.

2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
   me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
   this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
   fictional words when I'm writing something else...

So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???

¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???

Thanks

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

  You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
   
  WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
 
 On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
  vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
  my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
  frequent crashes...
 
 You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).
 

OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while
relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the
relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then.

 NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is
   installed to test this { the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not
   sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move
   this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol
   {perhaps an o} that's next to the little x marked button that
   would close it. This appears to undock  and redock the sidebar so
   that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. 

   Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse.
   But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only
   tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main 
   text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does
   when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does
   little to help me spot the context I need to review...

  Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
  to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
  keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...
 
 Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me
comfortable with the new spellchecker interface.

Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another
sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box
of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar
doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from
calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’,
and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, 
‘Add’ buttons???

Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive,  sometimes
problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every
time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker
dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm
sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well.

Thanks anyway...

Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification
made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please
tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch
Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... 

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|^   J(tWdy)P
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|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
  the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
  going to need to understand this... 
  
  You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
  «.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
  personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
  I've been working on... This serves two purposes:
  
  1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
booted.
  
  2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
fictional words when I'm writing something else...
  
  So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
  looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
  special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
  aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???
  
  ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
  swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
  added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
  would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???
 
 Sorry, I don't understand.
 
 You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the 
 answer.
 Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very 
 creative
 or at least not so common.

That's true enough. But until you told me that personal word list was
located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this.
And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary
files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning
the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I
thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com
directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a
personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of
4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script
may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg
(which is also the working title of the story involved...)
 
 You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because 
 there is
 no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And 
 the author
 of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not 
 acceptable to
 search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO.

Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first
time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary.

 To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to 
 be changed.
 The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one 
 can add
 words locally or globally. But this is not done already.

Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict
file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format
of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps
a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved...

Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that
plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother
modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex
the very next week...

May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's
word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a
good thing to also add an export to aspell choice that also provides an
“are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is
made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list.

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net#! /bin/bash
echo
echo  you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current
echo konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory...
echo
echo Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running
echo   mc in it (hint use ^O to verify) then you should abort...
echo
echo  press enter to continue
echo   -or-
echo  use ^c to abort
echo
read dummy
# Note since running stg, will now enable storyline copy of spellcheck
# wordlists...
# test if can filter copy by greping for BranchCritter
grepout=`grep BranchCritter /home/jtwdyp/.aspell.en.pws`
if [ $grepout

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
  preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
  but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
  checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
  button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
  “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
  button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
  my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
  I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
  “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
  “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
  “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
  
  IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
  I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove 
  it...
 
 To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck 
 continuously
 you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
 I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
 remove 
 a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
 Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home 
 directory
 below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
going to need to understand this... 

You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
«.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
I've been working on... This serves two purposes:

1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
   during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
   booted.

2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
   me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
   this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
   fictional words when I'm writing something else...

So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???

¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???

Thanks

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

  You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
   
  WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
 
 On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
  vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
  my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
  frequent crashes...
 
 You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).
 

OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while
relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the
relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then.

 NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is
   installed to test this { the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not
   sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move
   this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol
   {perhaps an o} that's next to the little x marked button that
   would close it. This appears to undock  and redock the sidebar so
   that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. 

   Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse.
   But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only
   tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main 
   text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does
   when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does
   little to help me spot the context I need to review...

  Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
  to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
  keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...
 
 Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me
comfortable with the new spellchecker interface.

Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another
sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box
of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar
doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from
calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’,
and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, 
‘Add’ buttons???

Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive,  sometimes
problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every
time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker
dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm
sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well.

Thanks anyway...

Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification
made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please
tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch
Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... 

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
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|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

 Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
  OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
  the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
  going to need to understand this... 
  
  You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
  «.aspell.en.prepl  .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
  personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
  I've been working on... This serves two purposes:
  
  1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell
during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
booted.
  
  2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
fictional words when I'm writing something else...
  
  So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
  looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
  special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
  aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???
  
  ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
  swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
  added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
  would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???
 
 Sorry, I don't understand.
 
 You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the 
 answer.
 Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very 
 creative
 or at least not so common.

That's true enough. But until you told me that personal word list was
located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this.
And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary
files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning
the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I
thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com
directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a
personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of
4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script
may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg
(which is also the working title of the story involved...)
 
 You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because 
 there is
 no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And 
 the author
 of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not 
 acceptable to
 search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO.

Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first
time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary.

 To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to 
 be changed.
 The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one 
 can add
 words locally or globally. But this is not done already.

Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict
file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format
of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps
a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved...

Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that
plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother
modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex
the very next week...

May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's
word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a
good thing to also add an export to aspell choice that also provides an
“are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is
made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list.

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net#! /bin/bash
echo
echo  you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current
echo konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory...
echo
echo Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running
echo   mc in it (hint use ^O to verify) then you should abort...
echo
echo  press enter to continue
echo   -or-
echo  use ^c to abort
echo
read dummy
# Note since running stg, will now enable storyline copy of spellcheck
# wordlists...
# test if can filter copy by greping for BranchCritter
grepout=`grep BranchCritter /home/jtwdyp/.aspell.en.pws`
if [ $grepout

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

> Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
> > I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
> > preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
> > but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
> > checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
> > button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
> > “pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add
> > button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
> > my PCLinuxOS installation to test the  checkbox
> > I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
> > “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
> > “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
> > “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
> > 
> > IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
> > I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove 
> > it...
> 
> To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using  continuously>
> you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
> I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
> remove 
> a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
> Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home 
> directory
> below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
going to need to understand this... 

You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
«.aspell.en.prepl & .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
I've been working on... This serves two purposes:

1) It makes the same "storyline" fictional words available to aspell
   during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
   booted.

2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
   me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
   this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
   fictional words when I'm writing something else...

So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???

¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???

Thanks

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {KBD shortcut(s)}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

>  You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
>   
>  WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
> 
> On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > 
> > Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
> > vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
> > my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
> > frequent crashes...
> 
> You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).
> 

OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while
relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the
relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then.

 NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is
   installed to test this {& the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not
   sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move
   this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol
   {perhaps an "o"} that's next to the little "x" marked button that
   would close it. This appears to undock  and redock the sidebar so
   that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. 

   Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse.
   But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only
   tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main 
   text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does
   when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does
   little to help me spot the context I need to review...

> > Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
> > to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
> > keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...
> 
> Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me
comfortable with the new spellchecker interface.

Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another
sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box
of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar
doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from
calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’,
and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, &
‘Add’ buttons???

Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive, & sometimes
problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every
time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker
dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm
sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well.

Thanks anyway...

Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification
made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please
tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch
Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... 

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {¿pwl_english.dict?}

2011-06-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say:

> Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
> > OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to
> > the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm
> > going to need to understand this... 
> > 
> > You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files
> > «.aspell.en.prepl & .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my
> > personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story
> > I've been working on... This serves two purposes:
> > 
> > 1) It makes the same "storyline" fictional words available to aspell
> >   during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've
> >   booted.
> > 
> > 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for
> >   me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back,
> >   this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these
> >   fictional words when I'm writing something else...
> > 
> > So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell
> > looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own
> > special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for
> > aspell to use outside of the LyX environment???
> > 
> > ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also
> > swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it
> > added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story
> > would be while spell checking this sci-fi story???
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand.
> 
> You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the 
> answer.
> Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very 
> "creative"
> or at least not so common.

That's true enough. But until you told me that "personal word list" was
located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this.
And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary
files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning
the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I
thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com
directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a
personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of
4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script
may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg
(which is also the working title of the story involved...)
 
> You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because 
> there is
> no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And 
> the author
> of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not 
> acceptable to
> search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO.

Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first
time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary.

> To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to 
> be changed.
> The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one 
> can add
> words locally or globally. But this is not done already.

Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict
file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format
of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps
a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved...

Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that
plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother
modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex
the very next week...

May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's
word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a
good thing to also add an "export to aspell" choice that also provides an
“are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is
made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list.

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>#! /bin/bash
echo
echo " you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current"
echo "konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory..."
echo
echo "Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running"
echo "  

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
 
  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
 
  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

>   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
> issue
>   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
>   and
>   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
>   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
>   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
>   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
>   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
> 
>  
> You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
>  
> WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|    ^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

   

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 that the spell
checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm
spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘alt+U’ to
select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell
checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word
completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so
that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’
for spell checking...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   `J(tWdy)P
|   ___  jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
  This is worse than those
  distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
  under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
  from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘alt+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 that the spell
checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm
spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘alt+U’ to
select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell
checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word
completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so
that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’
for spell checking...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   `J(tWdy)P
|   ___  jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
  This is worse than those
  distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
  under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
  from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘alt+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
pell
checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm
spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘+U’ to
select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell
checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word
completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so
that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’
for spell checking...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|      Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   `J(tWdy)P
|   ___  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
|  '   `

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

2011-06-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
> "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtw...@ttlc.net> wrote:
> 
> > This is worse than those
> > distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
> > under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
> > from the natural flow of my writing.
> 
> I may be able to help you with the above.
> 
> Go to:
> Tools --> Preferences --> Language settings --> Spellchecker
> 
> and remove the "x" out of the  box
> 
> I imagine you must have placed that "x" in as it was never a default in
> my install on Debian testing. This "feature" was discussed on this list
> and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
> forced on everyone, thank heavens.
> 
> Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
> constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change...  Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the  checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
|  '   `

Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
  used as single quotes???
 
 Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single 
 quotes, hit Alt-.

OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores
apostrophes when used for single quotes in a text file is probably
because the Alt- shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and
aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them
as single quotes when they were obviously so used? 

Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going
to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes...

Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal
writing (rules?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single
quotes.

Thanks for setting me straight.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^   Guess I just didn't know.
|o   o Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook
|^  J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
  used as single quotes???
 
 Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single 
 quotes, hit Alt-.

OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores
apostrophes when used for single quotes in a text file is probably
because the Alt- shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and
aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them
as single quotes when they were obviously so used? 

Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going
to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes...

Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal
writing (rules?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single
quotes.

Thanks for setting me straight.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^   Guess I just didn't know.
|o   o Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook
|^  J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
> > used as single quotes???
> 
> Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single 
> quotes, hit Alt-".

OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores
"apostrophes" when used for single quotes in a text file is probably
because the Alt-" shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and
aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them
as single quotes when they were obviously so used? 

Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going
to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes...

Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal
writing ("rules"?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single
quotes.

Thanks for setting me straight.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^   Guess I just didn't know.
|Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook
|^  J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <jtw...@ttlc.net>

   

For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document
made for problems with spell check...
For example if I typed this:

Bill said, I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I
went fishing by myself.

Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest
replacing 'No with No... I just checked, and this still happens with
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux.

I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened
to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked
from vim via my .vimrc key mappings:
:map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M 
:map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G
(Where of course ^M is actually a single character that simulates hitting 
enter)

And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character
to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as
in the contraction it's...

Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
used as single quotes???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document
made for problems with spell check...
For example if I typed this:

Bill said, I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I
went fishing by myself.

Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest
replacing 'No with No... I just checked, and this still happens with
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux.

I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened
to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked
from vim via my .vimrc key mappings:
:map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M 
:map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G
(Where of course ^M is actually a single character that simulates hitting 
enter)

And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character
to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as
in the contraction it's...

Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
used as single quotes???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...

2010-04-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document
made for problems with spell check...
For example if I typed this:

Bill said, "I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I
went fishing by myself."

Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest
replacing "'No" with "No"... I just checked, and this still happens with
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux.

I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened
to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked
from vim via my .vimrc key mappings:
:map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M 
:map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G
(Where of course "^M" is actually a single character that simulates hitting 
enter)

And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character
to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as
in the contraction "it's"...

Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters
used as single quotes???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
If it matters:
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means:
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux 

Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an
incorrect name for something... Please bear with me.


This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that
it'll ever get published but just in case, I want to keep the output
presentable.

I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes
are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman.
Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were
originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here
and there... 

Now the problem:

If I understand correctly a leftside page normally gets a larger righthand
margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me.
But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5 x 11
page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit
differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it
verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left
the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At
this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are
supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI
or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines
to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the
paper.  And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the
rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper...

I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse
where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of
the leftside page.

I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
quoting anyone...

I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that
includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections
and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section
remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file
to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm
doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via
gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net#LyX 1.6.5 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 345
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\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\use_default_options false
\language english
\inputencoding auto
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\font_sans default
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\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
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\graphics default
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copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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The author claims all copy rights to the original content below.
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Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say:

 Seems to be a quirk of LaTeX specific to typewriter font.  Since typewriter
 font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly.
 There's a fix at
 http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html
 that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words.
 Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged
 right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option
 would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text.
 Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not
 using long enough words in that section. :-)  (I tested this -- hyphenation
 did not cure the problem.)
 
Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll
have to experiment...

However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly
justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting
system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended
margin, and at least adjust word wrap to move the offending word
down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be
readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true
justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins.

And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this,
Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's
users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the
evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right
margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings,
which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in
such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font
paragraph(s)} 

However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of
what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on
content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into
play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an
ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I
could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply
reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document?

One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically'
compensate for this LaTeX quirk is it feasible that a line length
element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings???

It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say:

 
 On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
  quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
  leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
  because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
  approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
  And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
  quoting anyone...
 
 I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In 
 a 
 world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make 
 your 
 styles represent the intent of the writing.

Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down
and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not
having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty
remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last
but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting
my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details
of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content.
That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6
years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve
would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage
style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish
any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text
embedded in the example attachment.

 - - - - - - - - - snip/glue/snip - - - - - - - - - -

 What you want is the MEANING of Joe's special paragraph but a LOOK similar 
 to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout 
 file:
 
 =
 Preamble
 \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL}
 {
 \begin{quotation}
 % Add any tweaks you want here
 }{
 % Add any ending tweaks you want here
 \end{quotation}
 }
 EndPreamble
 
 
 Style JoesSpecialParagraph
   CopyStyle   Quotation
   LatexType Environment
   LatexName joesspecialparagraphL
 End
 =
 
 The part where I discuss tweaks is where you modify the look of the quotation 
 environment to match your desired look. So you'd put

Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
If it matters:
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means:
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux 

Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an
incorrect name for something... Please bear with me.


This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that
it'll ever get published but just in case, I want to keep the output
presentable.

I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes
are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman.
Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were
originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here
and there... 

Now the problem:

If I understand correctly a leftside page normally gets a larger righthand
margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me.
But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5 x 11
page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit
differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it
verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left
the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At
this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are
supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI
or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines
to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the
paper.  And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the
rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper...

I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse
where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of
the leftside page.

I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
quoting anyone...

I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that
includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections
and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section
remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file
to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm
doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via
gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net#LyX 1.6.5 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 345
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\use_default_options false
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman bookman
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100

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\backslash
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Unspecified
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status open

\begin_layout Plain Layout


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setcounter{page}{0}
\end_layout

\end_inset


\end_layout

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\begin_inset Newpage newpage
\end_inset


\end_layout

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\begin_inset space ~
\end_inset


\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset


\begin_inset VSpace vfill
\end_inset

By Joseph Philbrook
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

The author claims all copy rights to the original content below.
\begin_inset Newline newline
\end_inset

This is a work in progress...
 
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Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say:

 Seems to be a quirk of LaTeX specific to typewriter font.  Since typewriter
 font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly.
 There's a fix at
 http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html
 that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words.
 Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged
 right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option
 would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text.
 Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not
 using long enough words in that section. :-)  (I tested this -- hyphenation
 did not cure the problem.)
 
Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll
have to experiment...

However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly
justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting
system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended
margin, and at least adjust word wrap to move the offending word
down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be
readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true
justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins.

And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this,
Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's
users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the
evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right
margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings,
which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in
such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font
paragraph(s)} 

However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of
what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on
content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into
play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an
ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I
could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply
reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document?

One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically'
compensate for this LaTeX quirk is it feasible that a line length
element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings???

It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say:

 
 On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
  I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
  quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
  leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
  because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is
  approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
  And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
  quoting anyone...
 
 I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In 
 a 
 world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make 
 your 
 styles represent the intent of the writing.

Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down
and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not
having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty
remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last
but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting
my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details
of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content.
That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6
years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve
would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage
style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish
any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text
embedded in the example attachment.

 - - - - - - - - - snip/glue/snip - - - - - - - - - -

 What you want is the MEANING of Joe's special paragraph but a LOOK similar 
 to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout 
 file:
 
 =
 Preamble
 \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL}
 {
 \begin{quotation}
 % Add any tweaks you want here
 }{
 % Add any ending tweaks you want here
 \end{quotation}
 }
 EndPreamble
 
 
 Style JoesSpecialParagraph
   CopyStyle   Quotation
   LatexType Environment
   LatexName joesspecialparagraphL
 End
 =
 
 The part where I discuss tweaks is where you modify the look of the quotation 
 environment to match your desired look. So you'd put

Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
If it matters:
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means:
LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux 

Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an
incorrect name for something... Please bear with me.


This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that
it'll ever get "published" but just in case, I want to keep the output
presentable.

I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes
are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman.
Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were
originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here
and there... 

Now the problem:

If I understand correctly a "leftside page" normally gets a larger righthand
margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me.
But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5" x 11"
page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit
differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it
verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left
the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At
this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are
supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI
or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines
to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the
"paper".  And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the
rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper...

I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse
where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of
the leftside page.

I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the "paper" is
approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
quoting anyone...

I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that
includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections
and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section
remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file
to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm
doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via
gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...    ;-7

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\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass extbook
\use_default_options false
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman bookman
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\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
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\graphics default
\paperfontsize 14
\spacing single
\use_hyperref false
\papersize default
\use_geometry false
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 0
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 2
\tocdepth 2
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 2
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author "" 
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\begin_body

\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset ERT
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\begin_layout Plain Layout


\backslash
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\end_inset


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By Joseph Philbrook
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copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved.
 
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The author claims all copy rights to the original content below.
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Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)

2010-04-03 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say:

> Seems to be a "quirk" of LaTeX specific to typewriter font.  Since typewriter
> font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly.
> There's a fix at
> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html
> that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words.
> Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged
> right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option
> would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text.
> Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not
> using long enough words in that section. :-)  (I tested this -- hyphenation
> did not cure the problem.)
 
Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll
have to experiment...

However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly
justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting
system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended
margin, and at least adjust "word wrap" to move the offending word
down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be
readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true
justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins.

And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this,
Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's
users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the
evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right
margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings,
which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in
such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font
paragraph(s)} 

However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of
what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on
content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into
play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an
ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I
could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply
reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document?

One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically'
compensate for this LaTeX "quirk" is it feasible that a line length
element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings???

It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say:

> 
> On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> 
> > I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to
> > quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the
> > leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better
> > because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the "paper" is
> > approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right.
> > And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not
> > quoting anyone...
> 
> I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In 
> a 
> world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make 
> your 
> styles represent the intent of the writing.

Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down
and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not
having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty
remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last
but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting
my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details
of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content.
That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6
years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve
would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage
style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish
any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text
embedded in the example attachment.

 - - - - - - - - -< snip/glue/snip >- - - - - - - - - -

> What you want is the MEANING of "Joe's special paragraph" but a LOOK similar 
> to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout 
> file:
> 
> =
> Preamble
> \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL}
> {
> \begin{quotation}
> % Add any tweaks you want here
> }{
> % Add any ending tweaks you want here
> \end{quotation}
> }
> EndPreamble
> 
> 
> Style JoesSpecialParagraph
>   CopyStyle   Quot

Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
  \mainmatter
  \pagenumbering{roman}
  
  Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
  And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output
  (pdf)
  
  Then there is another tex code box containing:
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  
  And finally  Chapter 1...
  
  How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
  the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
  before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
 
 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.
 
 The page styles:
 empty - nothing, not even a page number
 plain - a page number, nothing more
 headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
 usually)
 myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
 whenever you want the running headers to change)
 fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
 heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
 more ERT is needed.
 
 Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
 headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
 any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
 page style set to plain.  No need for ERT then.
 
 To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
 anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} 
\pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
\pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text}
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh

Sorry to be such a pest.

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|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

 The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
 is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type...
 
 Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
 a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

-- 
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|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
  \mainmatter
  \pagenumbering{roman}
  
  Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
  And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output
  (pdf)
  
  Then there is another tex code box containing:
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  
  And finally  Chapter 1...
  
  How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
  the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
  before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
 
 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.
 
 The page styles:
 empty - nothing, not even a page number
 plain - a page number, nothing more
 headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
 usually)
 myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
 whenever you want the running headers to change)
 fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
 heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
 more ERT is needed.
 
 Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
 headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
 any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
 page style set to plain.  No need for ERT then.
 
 To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
 anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} 
\pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
\pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text}
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh

Sorry to be such a pest.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

 The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
 is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type...
 
 Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
 a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
> > \mainmatter
> > \pagenumbering{roman}
> > 
> > Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
> > And it is not desired for them to be labeled as "contents" in the output
> > (pdf)
> > 
> > Then there is another tex code box containing:
> > \pagenumbering{arabic}
> > 
> > And finally  Chapter 1...
> > 
> > How can I stop "output" from inserting the word "contents" into the
> > the page header of the "chapter*{s} without relocating them to
> > before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
> 
> This works for document class "book":
> 
> Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
> \pagestyle{plain}
> This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
> get "contents" on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
> 
> The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
> \pagestyle{headings}
> in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
> numbered chapters.
> 
> The page styles:
> empty - nothing, not even a page number
> plain - a page number, nothing more
> headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
> usually)
> myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
> whenever you want the running headers to change)
> fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
> heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
> more ERT is needed.
> 
> Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
> headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
> any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
> page style set to "plain".  No need for ERT then.
> 
> To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
> anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of "\pagestyle{plain}" &
"\pagestyle{headings}" in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get "SOME" control over the headers of my "chapter*" with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
"\pagestyle{headings}" I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with "\markboth{header text}{other header text}"
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use "\pagestyle{myheadings}" ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a "document class book" with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... 

Sorry to be such a pest.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

2010-03-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

> The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
> would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this "feature" ?

> The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
> is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the "creative flow" of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all "modified" sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than  checking my spelling as I type...
 
> Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
> a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

> ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
> using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most
of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get fancy with those headings
could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me
scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to
LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes...

But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the
current project.

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most
of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get fancy with those headings
could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me
scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to
LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes...

But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the
current project.

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
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|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-23 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

> This works for document class "book":
> 
> Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
> \pagestyle{plain}
> This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
> get "contents" on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
> 
> The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
> \pagestyle{headings}
> in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
> numbered chapters.

-snipped. .  .   .. .  .   .. .stuff

Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most
of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get "fancy" with those headings
could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me
scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to
LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes...

But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the
current project.

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   <*>   <*>  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say:

 I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the
 header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC.

Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers...

Not today though. My brain is kaput...

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say:

 I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the
 header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC.

Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers...

Not today though. My brain is kaput...

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say:

> I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the
> header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC.

Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers...

Not today though. My brain is kaput...

Thanks!

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   <*>   <*>      Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
\mainmatter
\pagenumbering{roman}

Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output 
(pdf)

Then there is another tex code box containing:
\pagenumbering{arabic}

And finally  Chapter 1...

How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???



If it matters:
I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of
whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty)
lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2
lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)



a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
\mainmatter
\pagenumbering{roman}

Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output 
(pdf)

Then there is another tex code box containing:
\pagenumbering{arabic}

And finally  Chapter 1...

How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???



If it matters:
I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of
whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty)
lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2
lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)



a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

2010-02-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
\mainmatter
\pagenumbering{roman}

Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
And it is not desired for them to be labeled as "contents" in the output 
(pdf)

Then there is another tex code box containing:
\pagenumbering{arabic}

And finally  Chapter 1...

How can I stop "output" from inserting the word "contents" into the
the page header of the "chapter*{s} without relocating them to
before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???



If it matters:
I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of
whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty)
lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2
lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)



Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 OK! Just did that. SNIP
 
The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast
results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux
distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a
warm fuzzy feeling...

By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix
that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is
exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as
resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers
expect to do that themselves?

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

 OK! Just did that. SNIP
 
The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast
results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux
distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a
warm fuzzy feeling...

By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix
that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is
exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as
resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers
expect to do that themselves?

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

> Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
> developers will find it? URL:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

> OK! Just did that. <>
 
The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast
results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux
distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a
warm fuzzy feeling...

By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix
that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is
exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as
resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers
expect to do that themselves?

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 
 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

OK! Just did that. was going to paste the the ticket number here but I
forgot that nowadays a write to vim's internal buffer tends to overwrite
the mouse based clipboard. And I made the mistake of trimming down the
excessive quoted material with dd before  middle clicking in insert mode.
And right now I don't have time to go search for it... Got things to do
before my lady gets home Bye!

But in any case, it's in there somewhere. 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net




Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 
 Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
 developers will find it? URL:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

OK! Just did that. was going to paste the the ticket number here but I
forgot that nowadays a write to vim's internal buffer tends to overwrite
the mouse based clipboard. And I made the mistake of trimming down the
excessive quoted material with dd before  middle clicking in insert mode.
And right now I don't have time to go search for it... Got things to do
before my lady gets home Bye!

But in any case, it's in there somewhere. 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net




Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say:

 
> Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the
> developers will find it? URL:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome

OK! Just did that. was going to paste the the ticket number here but I
forgot that nowadays a write to vim's internal buffer tends to overwrite
the mouse based clipboard. And I made the mistake of trimming down the
excessive quoted material with dd before  middle clicking in insert mode.
And right now I don't have time to go search for it... Got things to do
before my lady gets home Bye!

But in any case, it's in there somewhere. 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>




I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Don't get me wrong, LyX's internal spellchecker does a good job of
implementing aspell. Except for two little things that make me wish I could
invoke aspell from the command line on a *.lyx file and have it skip all
the embedded lyx commands. I've looked at the docs for aspell and it looks
like there is a --mode=tex option, but I don't see anything about a
--mode=lyx option for it. sigh 

I wouldn't care but for those two little things I mentioned. And to be sure
lyx's spellchecker isn't alone among gui spellchecker routines about which
these two things drive me a little crazy.

The first (And most obvious)issue is the way the pop-up spellchecker dialog
box often obscures the word in the text of the lyx document. I mean if it
simply determined where the word was displayed and opened the dialog box in
a different part of the screen so that I could see the syntax of my
spelling error so that I can remember whether I was talking about the chain
of command or about some character needing to use the commode I might
have a better chance of accepting the correct suggestion...

I can and do work around this by resizing my lyx document window to use
only the top half of the screen. And then moving the spellchecker dialog
box to the bottom half of the screen in the (so far well founded) hope that
{my window manager, or is it lyx itself?} will remember where to open the
next occurrence of the pop-up... But then of course I need to resize the
document window back to it's normal size again when I'm done spellchecking.

The second issue has to do with the fact that I'm a keyboard centric kind of
guy that really dislikes putting the keyboard down to wrestle with the
mouse. I know I can and do use alt+R to accept the default suggestion,
alt+I to ignore the intentionally misspelled word that I don't want added
to the dictionary. And I've even gotten used to the fact that it's alt+D
{which with the D being so close to the R on a qwerty keyboard has
caused more than a few erroneous additions to my ~/.aspell.en.pws file}
rather than a more intuitive alt+A to Add the word to the dictionary. 
But what I can't do is to select something other than the topmost default
spelling suggestion with the keyboard. Oh I can use tab to get to the
suggestion list, then the arrow key to highlight an alternate suggestion.
But I can't find a way to get the spellchecker to use the now highlighted
suggestion without dusting off that torture device that controls the mouse
pointer and clicking on the word in question. IE: If I misspell cycle as
cyclen the default suggestion shows up as cyclone. With the 2nd choice being
cycle. I can use the keyboard to hi-light cycle, But this doesn't change the
fact that the actual replacement field still says cyclone. So of course
if I press enter cyclen will become cyclone... I have only three choices to
get the spellchecker to change cyclen to cycle. 1) double click on cycle
from the list of suggestions. 2) single click on cycle to change the
replacement field to cycle allowing either alt+R or enter to make the
change. 3) tab my way instead to the replacement field and manually edit
cyclone into cycle... sigh 

I don't suppose that either of these two issues (think feature
request) will be resolved any time soon???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Don't get me wrong, LyX's internal spellchecker does a good job of
implementing aspell. Except for two little things that make me wish I could
invoke aspell from the command line on a *.lyx file and have it skip all
the embedded lyx commands. I've looked at the docs for aspell and it looks
like there is a --mode=tex option, but I don't see anything about a
--mode=lyx option for it. sigh 

I wouldn't care but for those two little things I mentioned. And to be sure
lyx's spellchecker isn't alone among gui spellchecker routines about which
these two things drive me a little crazy.

The first (And most obvious)issue is the way the pop-up spellchecker dialog
box often obscures the word in the text of the lyx document. I mean if it
simply determined where the word was displayed and opened the dialog box in
a different part of the screen so that I could see the syntax of my
spelling error so that I can remember whether I was talking about the chain
of command or about some character needing to use the commode I might
have a better chance of accepting the correct suggestion...

I can and do work around this by resizing my lyx document window to use
only the top half of the screen. And then moving the spellchecker dialog
box to the bottom half of the screen in the (so far well founded) hope that
{my window manager, or is it lyx itself?} will remember where to open the
next occurrence of the pop-up... But then of course I need to resize the
document window back to it's normal size again when I'm done spellchecking.

The second issue has to do with the fact that I'm a keyboard centric kind of
guy that really dislikes putting the keyboard down to wrestle with the
mouse. I know I can and do use alt+R to accept the default suggestion,
alt+I to ignore the intentionally misspelled word that I don't want added
to the dictionary. And I've even gotten used to the fact that it's alt+D
{which with the D being so close to the R on a qwerty keyboard has
caused more than a few erroneous additions to my ~/.aspell.en.pws file}
rather than a more intuitive alt+A to Add the word to the dictionary. 
But what I can't do is to select something other than the topmost default
spelling suggestion with the keyboard. Oh I can use tab to get to the
suggestion list, then the arrow key to highlight an alternate suggestion.
But I can't find a way to get the spellchecker to use the now highlighted
suggestion without dusting off that torture device that controls the mouse
pointer and clicking on the word in question. IE: If I misspell cycle as
cyclen the default suggestion shows up as cyclone. With the 2nd choice being
cycle. I can use the keyboard to hi-light cycle, But this doesn't change the
fact that the actual replacement field still says cyclone. So of course
if I press enter cyclen will become cyclone... I have only three choices to
get the spellchecker to change cyclen to cycle. 1) double click on cycle
from the list of suggestions. 2) single click on cycle to change the
replacement field to cycle allowing either alt+R or enter to make the
change. 3) tab my way instead to the replacement field and manually edit
cyclone into cycle... sigh 

I don't suppose that either of these two issues (think feature
request) will be resolved any time soon???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...

2010-01-06 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

Don't get me wrong, LyX's internal spellchecker does a good job of
implementing aspell. Except for two little things that make me wish I could
invoke aspell from the command line on a *.lyx file and have it skip all
the embedded lyx commands. I've looked at the docs for aspell and it looks
like there is a --mode=tex option, but I don't see anything about a
--mode=lyx option for it.  

I wouldn't care but for those two little things I mentioned. And to be sure
lyx's spellchecker isn't alone among gui spellchecker routines about which
these two things drive me a little crazy.

The first (And most obvious)issue is the way the pop-up spellchecker dialog
box often obscures the word in the text of the lyx document. I mean if it
simply determined where the word was displayed and opened the dialog box in
a different part of the screen so that I could see the syntax of my
spelling error so that I can remember whether I was talking about the chain
of "command" or about some character needing to use the "commode" I might
have a better chance of accepting the correct suggestion...

I can and do work around this by resizing my lyx document window to use
only the top half of the screen. And then moving the spellchecker dialog
box to the bottom half of the screen in the (so far well founded) hope that
{my window manager, or is it lyx itself?} will remember where to open the
next occurrence of the pop-up... But then of course I need to resize the
document window back to it's normal size again when I'm done spellchecking.

The second issue has to do with the fact that I'm a keyboard centric kind of
guy that really dislikes putting the keyboard down to wrestle with the
mouse. I know I can and do use +R to accept the default suggestion,
+I to ignore the intentionally misspelled word that I don't want added
to the dictionary. And I've even gotten used to the fact that it's +D
{which with the "D" being so close to the "R" on a qwerty keyboard has
caused more than a few erroneous additions to my ~/.aspell.en.pws file}
rather than a more intuitive +A to Add the word to the dictionary. 
But what I can't do is to select something other than the topmost default
spelling suggestion with the keyboard. Oh I can use tab to get to the
suggestion list, then the arrow key to highlight an alternate suggestion.
But I can't find a way to get the spellchecker to use the now highlighted
suggestion without dusting off that torture device that controls the mouse
pointer and clicking on the word in question. IE: If I misspell cycle as
cyclen the default suggestion shows up as cyclone. With the 2nd choice being
cycle. I can use the keyboard to hi-light cycle, But this doesn't change the
fact that the actual "replacement" field still says cyclone. So of course
if I press enter cyclen will become cyclone... I have only three choices to
get the spellchecker to change cyclen to cycle. 1) double click on cycle
from the list of suggestions. 2) single click on cycle to change the
replacement field to cycle allowing either +R or  to make the
change. 3) tab my way instead to the replacement field and manually edit
cyclone into cycle...  

I don't suppose that either of these two "issues" (think feature
request) will be resolved any time soon???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: nice digest reply [ very OT: looks like alpine also can...]

2009-09-15 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 14, Todd Denniston did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM:
  Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
  think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
  that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
  of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
  personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
  to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
  threaded message reply path.
  
  Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 
But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
  
 SNIP
 At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want,
 differently.
 
 This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest...
 the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user
 can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as
 a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much
 normal message and then hit reply.
 For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt
 that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the
 editing I HAD to do.

Well I'm glad to hear there is a work around. But I was talking about
a method that didn't specify which mail client was to be used. And was
suggesting (though NOT expecting) that if that, (like an optional
subject munging) was solved at the mail server, then it would be
reasonable to ask digest users to follow a simple how-to for digest
replies... 
 
 Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader
 and other list members. :)

Actually now you got me curious. As an alpine user I didn't want to
believe that Tbird had better message handling abilities... ;-) So I
just ran a partial test. (partial because it's been a *_LONG_* time since
I subscribed to digest versions. And I didn't want to actually send a test
reply to the fedora core one vintage digest message I found in an old
archive, to a list I haven't even lurked in since Kubuntu Breezy)

Anyway, with alpine 2.00 I opened said digest, used the v command to
view attachments, selected a message from the list which did display
in order, including the individual subject lines. Then I viewed the
message itself. The message appeared to be complete with the
Message-ID: header line, so I tried the reply command r and found
myself in the composer, with the text of the selected message quoted, and
a subject line that correctly reflected that of the selected message...

Before deleting the reply I wasn't going to send, I postponed it and
opened the postponed folder for reading, the In-Reply-To: header was
indeed, pointing at the individual message in question... 

 Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0
 Boy we have stepped off topic. :)

Yeah I guess we have at that... But sometimes a little OT is therapeutic...
And the stress I feel anytime I think of even a remote possibility having
to deal with subject munging on yet another list indicates a need for a
little therapy...  

-- 
|   ~~~   ~~~
|   @   @  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  [ chuckle ]



Re: nice digest reply [ very OT: looks like alpine also can...]

2009-09-15 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 14, Todd Denniston did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM:
  Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
  think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
  that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
  of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
  personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
  to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
  threaded message reply path.
  
  Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 
But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
  
 SNIP
 At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want,
 differently.
 
 This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest...
 the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user
 can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as
 a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much
 normal message and then hit reply.
 For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt
 that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the
 editing I HAD to do.

Well I'm glad to hear there is a work around. But I was talking about
a method that didn't specify which mail client was to be used. And was
suggesting (though NOT expecting) that if that, (like an optional
subject munging) was solved at the mail server, then it would be
reasonable to ask digest users to follow a simple how-to for digest
replies... 
 
 Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader
 and other list members. :)

Actually now you got me curious. As an alpine user I didn't want to
believe that Tbird had better message handling abilities... ;-) So I
just ran a partial test. (partial because it's been a *_LONG_* time since
I subscribed to digest versions. And I didn't want to actually send a test
reply to the fedora core one vintage digest message I found in an old
archive, to a list I haven't even lurked in since Kubuntu Breezy)

Anyway, with alpine 2.00 I opened said digest, used the v command to
view attachments, selected a message from the list which did display
in order, including the individual subject lines. Then I viewed the
message itself. The message appeared to be complete with the
Message-ID: header line, so I tried the reply command r and found
myself in the composer, with the text of the selected message quoted, and
a subject line that correctly reflected that of the selected message...

Before deleting the reply I wasn't going to send, I postponed it and
opened the postponed folder for reading, the In-Reply-To: header was
indeed, pointing at the individual message in question... 

 Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0
 Boy we have stepped off topic. :)

Yeah I guess we have at that... But sometimes a little OT is therapeutic...
And the stress I feel anytime I think of even a remote possibility having
to deal with subject munging on yet another list indicates a need for a
little therapy...  

-- 
|   ~~~   ~~~
|   @   @  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  [ chuckle ]



Re: nice digest reply [ very OT: looks like alpine also can...]

2009-09-15 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Sep 14, Todd Denniston did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM:
> > Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
> > think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
> > that includes some kind of "header like" tag in each individual message
> > of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
> > personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
> > to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
> > threaded message reply path.
> > 
> > Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 
> >   But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
> > 
> 
> At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want,
> differently.
> 
> This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest...
> the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user
> can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as
> a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much
> normal message and then hit reply.
> For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt
> that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the
> editing I HAD to do.

Well I'm glad to hear there is a work around. But I was talking about
a method that didn't specify which mail client was to be used. And was
suggesting (though NOT expecting) that if that, (like an optional
subject munging) was solved at the mail server, then it would be
reasonable to ask digest users to follow a simple how-to for digest
replies... 
 
> Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader
> and other list members. :)

Actually now you got me curious. As an alpine user I didn't want to
believe that Tbird had better message handling abilities... ;-) So I
just ran a partial test. (partial because it's been a *_LONG_* time since
I subscribed to digest versions. And I didn't want to actually send a test
reply to the fedora core one vintage digest message I found in an old
archive, to a list I haven't even lurked in since Kubuntu Breezy)

Anyway, with alpine 2.00 I opened said digest, used the "v" command to
view attachments, selected a message from the list which did display
in order, including the individual subject lines. Then I viewed the
message itself. The message appeared to be complete with the
"Message-ID:" header line, so I tried the reply command "r" and found
myself in the composer, with the text of the selected message quoted, and
a subject line that correctly reflected that of the selected message...

Before deleting the reply I wasn't going to send, I postponed it and
opened the postponed folder for reading, the "In-Reply-To:" header was
indeed, pointing at the individual message in question... 

> Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0
> Boy we have stepped off topic. :)

Yeah I guess we have at that... But sometimes a little OT is therapeutic...
And the stress I feel anytime I think of even a remote possibility having
to deal with subject munging on yet another list indicates a need for a
little therapy...  

-- 
|   ~~~   ~~~
|   <@>   <@>  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
|  [ chuckle ]



Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread

2009-09-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 Note:  the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped... 
for full context see the thread...

It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:

 there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
 this comes from the Lyx users list. It's very messing because
 you cannot filter the mails efficiently.

 I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
 system or if people that send mail should add something like
 I've done for example manually.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:

 Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
 mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
 clients.


It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:

 Delta moins wrote:
  Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
  If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
 
 There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
 mail can be sorted by other headers than Subject.
 Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having [LyX]
 in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.

From my point of view that would becomes *_VERY_* irritating...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.

But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:

= This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
= I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
= don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.

I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...


It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:

 I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
 at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
 [LyX] prepended to the subject.
 
 Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
 to have to filter.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:

 On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
  There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
  people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
  poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
 
 I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
 recurring discussion  ;-)

I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
Reply-To: munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
one 'size' pleases all solution. And like top vs bottom posting
or the infamous vi vs emacs debates, these are all holy wars that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...

EXCEPT that, at least in the case of Subject: tagging (IE [LyX]) then 
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take 
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest... 

Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 

But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?

sigh


It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:

   As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
 subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
 procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.

Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...

And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???

Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...


-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread

2009-09-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 Note:  the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped... 
for full context see the thread...

It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:

 there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
 this comes from the Lyx users list. It's very messing because
 you cannot filter the mails efficiently.

 I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
 system or if people that send mail should add something like
 I've done for example manually.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:

 Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
 mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
 clients.


It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:

 Delta moins wrote:
  Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
  If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
 
 There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
 mail can be sorted by other headers than Subject.
 Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having [LyX]
 in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.

From my point of view that would becomes *_VERY_* irritating...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.

But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:

= This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
= I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
= don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.

I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...


It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:

 I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
 at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
 [LyX] prepended to the subject.
 
 Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
 to have to filter.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:

 On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
  There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
  people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
  poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
 
 I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
 recurring discussion  ;-)

I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
Reply-To: munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
one 'size' pleases all solution. And like top vs bottom posting
or the infamous vi vs emacs debates, these are all holy wars that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...

EXCEPT that, at least in the case of Subject: tagging (IE [LyX]) then 
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take 
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest... 

Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 

But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?

sigh


It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:

   As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
 subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
 procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.

Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...

And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???

Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...


-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread

2009-09-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
 Note:  the quoted texts below are all liberally "snipped"... 
for full context see the thread...

It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:

> there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
> "this comes from the Lyx users list". It's very messing because
> you cannot filter the mails efficiently.

> I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
> system or if people that send mail should add something like
> I've done for example manually.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:

> Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
> mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
> clients.


It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:

> Delta moins wrote:
> > Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> > If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
> 
> There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
> mail can be sorted by other headers than "Subject".
> Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having "[LyX]
> in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.

>From my point of view that would "becomes *_VERY_* irritating"...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.

But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:

=> This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
=> I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
=> don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.

I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...


It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:

> I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
> at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
> "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.
> 
> Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
> to have to filter.

It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:

> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
> > There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
> > people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
> > poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
> 
> I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
> recurring discussion  ;-)

I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
"Reply-To:" munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
"one 'size' pleases all" solution. And like "top vs bottom" posting
or the infamous "vi vs emacs" debates, these are all "holy wars" that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...

EXCEPT that, at least in the case of "Subject: tagging" (IE [LyX]) then 
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take 
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest... 

Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of "header like" tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... 

But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?




It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:

>   As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
> subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
> procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.

Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...

And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???

Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...


-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   <*>   <*>  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>

Re: Obsoleting classic.ui

2009-08-19 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 19, Pavel Sanda did say:

 is there still anybody around using the old classic.ui we distribute?

That would be me...

 its not maintained for a longer time, without new features and with bugs
 as the lfuns are changing, so i tend to remove it for the next release.

[rant-mode]
Well I guess I'll say thanks for the warning... As it happens it's the
only ui I've ever intentionally used. I don't even really know why I
automatically selected it unless it's because every single time I've
seen any changes to any kind of user interface I've grown accustomed
to, I've always been disappointed because somehow it's always the
features I personally like to use that gets obsoleted...

This doesn't surprise me much any more. And I've long since given up
trying to figure out how they know which features I like so that the
can avoid obsoleting anything I don't happen to use... 

It's kind of like how do the Neilsons know when I've discovered a TV show
I like enough to watch on purpose. But they obviously do, as the
moment I start liking a show it's days are numbered...

sigh

[/rant-mode]

But seriously, I'm not sure what the difference is between the .ui files.
If your going to remove the clasic.ui could you tell me which remaining
.ui file results in the closest match to the actual user interface?


-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Obsoleting classic.ui

2009-08-19 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 19, Pavel Sanda did say:

 is there still anybody around using the old classic.ui we distribute?

That would be me...

 its not maintained for a longer time, without new features and with bugs
 as the lfuns are changing, so i tend to remove it for the next release.

[rant-mode]
Well I guess I'll say thanks for the warning... As it happens it's the
only ui I've ever intentionally used. I don't even really know why I
automatically selected it unless it's because every single time I've
seen any changes to any kind of user interface I've grown accustomed
to, I've always been disappointed because somehow it's always the
features I personally like to use that gets obsoleted...

This doesn't surprise me much any more. And I've long since given up
trying to figure out how they know which features I like so that the
can avoid obsoleting anything I don't happen to use... 

It's kind of like how do the Neilsons know when I've discovered a TV show
I like enough to watch on purpose. But they obviously do, as the
moment I start liking a show it's days are numbered...

sigh

[/rant-mode]

But seriously, I'm not sure what the difference is between the .ui files.
If your going to remove the clasic.ui could you tell me which remaining
.ui file results in the closest match to the actual user interface?


-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Obsoleting classic.ui

2009-08-19 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 19, Pavel Sanda did say:

> is there still anybody around using the old classic.ui we distribute?

That would be me...

> its not maintained for a longer time, without new features and with bugs
> as the lfuns are changing, so i tend to remove it for the next release.

[rant-mode]
Well I guess I'll say thanks for the warning... As it happens it's the
only ui I've ever intentionally used. I don't even really know why I
automatically selected it unless it's because every single time I've
seen any changes to any kind of user interface I've grown accustomed
to, I've always been disappointed because somehow it's always the
features I personally like to use that gets obsoleted...

This doesn't surprise me much any more. And I've long since given up
trying to figure out how they know which features I like so that the
can avoid obsoleting anything I don't happen to use... 

It's kind of like how do the Neilsons know when I've discovered a TV show
I like enough to watch on purpose. But they obviously do, as the
moment I start liking a show it's days are numbered...



[/rant-mode]

But seriously, I'm not sure what the difference is between the .ui files.
If your going to remove the "clasic.ui" could you tell me which remaining
.ui file results in the closest match to the actual user interface?


-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|      Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>



Re: Suggestion

2009-08-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

 Subject: Suggestion
 
 Dear list members!
 
 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).
 
 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

= To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
= column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
= - Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
= - still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
= - someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
= - work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
= - new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
= - miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
= - reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
Suggestion [Lyx-Users] rather than as [Lyx-Users] Suggestion,
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy. sigh 

# begin snippage ###

 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H] Incoming-Folders LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

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|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

Re: Suggestion

2009-08-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

 Subject: Suggestion
 
 Dear list members!
 
 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).
 
 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

= To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
= column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
= - Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
= - still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
= - someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
= - work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
= - new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
= - miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
= - reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
Suggestion [Lyx-Users] rather than as [Lyx-Users] Suggestion,
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy. sigh 

# begin snippage ###

 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H] Incoming-Folders LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

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Re: Suggestion

2009-08-14 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

> Subject: Suggestion
> 
> Dear list members!
> 
> I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
> receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
> list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. "[List] Title").
> 
> What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
> The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
> forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
> identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
> "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion".

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

=> To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
=> column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
=> -> Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
=> -> still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
=> -> someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
=> -> work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
=> -> new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
=> -> miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
=> -> reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
"Suggestion [Lyx-Users]" rather than as "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion",
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy.  

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 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H]  LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .         | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) .         | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
    1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

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Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say:

 On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
  But it doesn't work that way for me...
 --- snip ---
  Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

 This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal
 keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.
 
 Do other alt-p options work?

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

 I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the
 shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?

I'm not quite sure what the paragraph layout selection combo is,
but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on
the status line when I first press alt+P then yes... 

 FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde
 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences
 but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.

I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1...
However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me
that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually 
considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing 
them since ver 3.x)

Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many
changes to the global (and application) keybindings to
 a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake.
 b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use.
And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found
that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD
shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do
this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me...

Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent
reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back.
I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to
certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have
enlightenment version installation dvd.

Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17
either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are
actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of
e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an
e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script
(e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save
and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config
script... 

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|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net



RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  
 Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?
 
 Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Now I'm feeling nauseous...

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|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  { snicker }



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
 Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 
  Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
  Alt-P space)
 
 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
 been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
 least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
 file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
 But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
 does its magic.

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say:

 ViewToolbars?

I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3

But thanks...

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|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say:

 
 What about F11 to switch to full screen view?
 

Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX
window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with 
a clock gadget that full screen view would hide...
 
-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say:

 On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
  But it doesn't work that way for me...
 --- snip ---
  Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

 This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal
 keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.
 
 Do other alt-p options work?

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

 I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the
 shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?

I'm not quite sure what the paragraph layout selection combo is,
but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on
the status line when I first press alt+P then yes... 

 FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde
 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences
 but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.

I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1...
However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me
that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually 
considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing 
them since ver 3.x)

Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many
changes to the global (and application) keybindings to
 a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake.
 b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use.
And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found
that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD
shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do
this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me...

Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent
reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back.
I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to
certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have
enlightenment version installation dvd.

Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17
either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are
actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of
e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an
e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script
(e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save
and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config
script... 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net



RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  
 Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?
 
 Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Now I'm feeling nauseous...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   o   oJoe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  { snicker }



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
 Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 
  Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
  Alt-P space)
 
 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
 been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
 least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
 file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
 But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
 does its magic.

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say:

 ViewToolbars?

I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3

But thanks...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net



Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

2009-08-13 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say:

 
 What about F11 to switch to full screen view?
 

Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX
window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with 
a clock gadget that full screen view would hide...
 
-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh



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