OT: copy a modern greek-encoded text

2009-12-28 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I know this is a bit off-topic (well, COMPLETELY off-topic) but I ask in 
this newsl because I know there are some guys with international languages 
coding knoledges who could at least redirect me to some other community for 
this kind of problems.I need to copy some text (ok, I confess I would like to 
use googletranslate to know what's about!) in a pdf document which stays at 
this location: http://www.ionio.gr/~GreekMus/articles/samaras.pdfAnyway, I 
tried to copy the text to some editor/wp but always failed and found only bad 
characters, saving only some words coded in latin alphabet.Maybe a greek user 
can copy and then repaste the text in a suitable format.Any other 
ideas/help?ThanksPiero   
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OT: copy a modern greek-encoded text

2009-12-28 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I know this is a bit off-topic (well, COMPLETELY off-topic) but I ask in 
this newsl because I know there are some guys with international languages 
coding knoledges who could at least redirect me to some other community for 
this kind of problems.I need to copy some text (ok, I confess I would like to 
use googletranslate to know what's about!) in a pdf document which stays at 
this location: http://www.ionio.gr/~GreekMus/articles/samaras.pdfAnyway, I 
tried to copy the text to some editor/wp but always failed and found only bad 
characters, saving only some words coded in latin alphabet.Maybe a greek user 
can copy and then repaste the text in a suitable format.Any other 
ideas/help?ThanksPiero   
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OT: copy a modern greek-encoded text

2009-12-28 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I know this is a bit off-topic (well, COMPLETELY off-topic) but I ask in 
this newsl because I know there are some guys with international languages 
coding knoledges who could at least redirect me to some other community for 
this kind of problems.I need to copy some text (ok, I confess I would like to 
use googletranslate to know what's about!) in a pdf document which stays at 
this location: http://www.ionio.gr/~GreekMus/articles/samaras.pdfAnyway, I 
tried to copy the text to some editor/wp but always failed and found only bad 
characters, saving only some words coded in latin alphabet.Maybe a greek user 
can copy and then repaste the text in a suitable format.Any other 
ideas/help?ThanksPiero   
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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


 We already perform an extra bibtex run for biblatex, if needed. Does bibtex 
 run 2 times for you? (you can see this best if you start LyX from a terminal)

Thanks, J.
I think the main problem is that my dissertation is COMPLEX. Not huge, just 
complex (lot of internal references, lot of citations, floats, wrap floats 
etc.). I also make use of crossreferencing in BibTeX references.Everything went 
wrong when I added the 120+th reference and cited it.May it be that it was the 
last drop that made Bib(La)TeX needed to be run 3 times?Anyway, I run LyX from 
terminal. Here's 2 outputs; - Output 1 is for when thing went ok.- Output 2 is 
when I added my last citation (it happens if I cite most - not all - of any 
given new reference: I tried several times) and it talks about a FATAL ERROR:
Terminal Output 1 (Everything - almost - OK):
This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.This 
is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 
0.8iWarning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaRoma'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaSpoleto'
Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'FilippiLaFalcePerseveranza1875'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in 
entry 'GiardaSangiorgiCentenario'(There were 4 warnings)This is makeindex, 
version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.


Terminal Output 2 (NO BIB, references, citations, etc. just labels in bold; - 
speak about fatal error: is this the reason?):

This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra editor field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
title field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra shorttitle field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
publisher field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra year field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra editor field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
title field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra shorttitle field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
publisher field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra year field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.

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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run? [Solved]

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


 The first thing I'd try is to use bibtex8 instead. In Tools  Preferences  

Done 24 hours fiddling, and it was just this: too many references (or, 
maybe better said, citations!!!)THANK YOU Jürgen. I owe you  my lifeAbout 
the encoding, I didn't specify it in the bibtex command as you suggested, just 
because I don't know how but I already found a perfect (unstable?) balance with 
encoding, .bib files, LyX and biblatex settings and I don't want to touch 
anything till something really doesn't work.But anyway:THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR 
HELP.Now I really owe the LyX project some help (as I can't help you directly!)
Piero 
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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


 We already perform an extra bibtex run for biblatex, if needed. Does bibtex 
 run 2 times for you? (you can see this best if you start LyX from a terminal)

Thanks, J.
I think the main problem is that my dissertation is COMPLEX. Not huge, just 
complex (lot of internal references, lot of citations, floats, wrap floats 
etc.). I also make use of crossreferencing in BibTeX references.Everything went 
wrong when I added the 120+th reference and cited it.May it be that it was the 
last drop that made Bib(La)TeX needed to be run 3 times?Anyway, I run LyX from 
terminal. Here's 2 outputs; - Output 1 is for when thing went ok.- Output 2 is 
when I added my last citation (it happens if I cite most - not all - of any 
given new reference: I tried several times) and it talks about a FATAL ERROR:
Terminal Output 1 (Everything - almost - OK):
This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.This 
is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 
0.8iWarning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaRoma'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaSpoleto'
Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'FilippiLaFalcePerseveranza1875'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in 
entry 'GiardaSangiorgiCentenario'(There were 4 warnings)This is makeindex, 
version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.


Terminal Output 2 (NO BIB, references, citations, etc. just labels in bold; - 
speak about fatal error: is this the reason?):

This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra editor field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
title field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra shorttitle field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
publisher field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra year field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra editor field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
title field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra shorttitle field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
publisher field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra year field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.

Thank you very much Piero




  
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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run? [Solved]

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


 The first thing I'd try is to use bibtex8 instead. In Tools  Preferences  

Done 24 hours fiddling, and it was just this: too many references (or, 
maybe better said, citations!!!)THANK YOU Jürgen. I owe you  my lifeAbout 
the encoding, I didn't specify it in the bibtex command as you suggested, just 
because I don't know how but I already found a perfect (unstable?) balance with 
encoding, .bib files, LyX and biblatex settings and I don't want to touch 
anything till something really doesn't work.But anyway:THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR 
HELP.Now I really owe the LyX project some help (as I can't help you directly!)
Piero 
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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


> We already perform an extra bibtex run for biblatex, if needed. Does bibtex 
> run 2 times for you? (you can see this best if you start LyX from a terminal)

Thanks, J.
I think the main problem is that my dissertation is COMPLEX. Not huge, just 
complex (lot of internal references, lot of citations, floats, wrap floats 
etc.). I also make use of crossreferencing in BibTeX references.Everything went 
wrong when I added the 120+th reference and cited it.May it be that it was the 
last drop that made Bib(La)TeX needed to be run 3 times?Anyway, I run LyX from 
terminal. Here's 2 outputs; - Output 1 is for when thing went ok.- Output 2 is 
when I added my last citation (it happens if I cite most - not all - of any 
given new reference: I tried several times) and it talks about a "FATAL ERROR":
Terminal Output 1 (Everything - almost - OK):
This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.This 
is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 
0.8iWarning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaRoma'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'DOrmevilleGuisembergaSpoleto'
Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in entry 
'FilippiLaFalcePerseveranza1875'Warning--Invalid format of field 'month' in 
entry 'GiardaSangiorgiCentenario'(There were 4 warnings)This is makeindex, 
version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.


Terminal Output 2 (NO BIB, references, citations, etc. just labels in bold; - 
speak about fatal error: is this the reason?):

This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "editor" field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
"title" field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "shorttitle" field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
"publisher" field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "year" field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (MiKTeX 2.7)The top-level auxiliary file: 
TesiPhD.auxThe style file: biblatex.bstDatabase file #1: 
TesiPhD-blx.bibDatabase file #2: F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "editor" field--line 1974 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
"title" field--line 1975 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "shorttitle" field--line 1976 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra 
"publisher" field--line 1977 of file F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibWarning--I'm 
ignoring ScapigliaturaFin's extra "year" field--line 1983 of file 
F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF.bibBiblatex version: 0.8iNontop top of string 
stack---this can't happen*Please notify the BibTeX maintainer*(That was a fatal 
error)This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai 
support).Scanning style file 
C:/Programmi/LaTeX-related/MikTex27/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist..done 
(10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).Scanning input file TesiPhD.nlodone (7 
entries accepted, 0 rejected).Sorting entriesdone (22 
comparisons).Generating output file TesiPhD.nlsdone (21 lines written, 0 
warnings).Output written in TesiPhD.nls.Transcript written in TesiPhD.ilg.

Thank you very much Piero




  
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RE: BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run? [Solved]

2009-11-17 Thread Piero Faustini


> The first thing I'd try is to use bibtex8 instead. In Tools > Preferences > 

Done 24 hours fiddling, and it was just this: too many references (or, 
maybe better said, citations!!!)THANK YOU Jürgen. I owe you  my lifeAbout 
the encoding, I didn't specify it in the bibtex command as you suggested, just 
because I don't know how but I already found a perfect (unstable?) balance with 
encoding, .bib files, LyX and biblatex settings and I don't want to touch 
anything till something really doesn't work.But anyway:THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR 
HELP.Now I really owe the LyX project some help (as I can't help you directly!)
Piero 
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BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-16 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I've been in trouble all the day and now I ask to the list...I use -WinXP 
sp3-LyX 1.6.4-last version of BibLaTeX (0.8i)-koma report classand I suddenly I 
can't have my citations and references in my final pdf (200+pages), where 
everything worked well till today.From the log, it seems is a problem of an 
extra BibTeX run needed.Till now I can tell LaTeX run 4 times (or even 5, but 
last time is too fast to tell, and I'm not good in reading logs!)so I guess 
everything should run once more.The log will show a number of warnings, 
expecially from BibLaTeX, I always ignored because everything worked well (till 
today!)Please help me, I'm about 10 day from the completion of my dissertation! 
Thanks!Piero  
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BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-16 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I've been in trouble all the day and now I ask to the list...I use -WinXP 
sp3-LyX 1.6.4-last version of BibLaTeX (0.8i)-koma report classand I suddenly I 
can't have my citations and references in my final pdf (200+pages), where 
everything worked well till today.From the log, it seems is a problem of an 
extra BibTeX run needed.Till now I can tell LaTeX run 4 times (or even 5, but 
last time is too fast to tell, and I'm not good in reading logs!)so I guess 
everything should run once more.The log will show a number of warnings, 
expecially from BibLaTeX, I always ignored because everything worked well (till 
today!)Please help me, I'm about 10 day from the completion of my dissertation! 
Thanks!Piero  
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BibLaTeX requires additional BibTeX run?

2009-11-16 Thread Piero Faustini

Hello,I've been in trouble all the day and now I ask to the list...I use -WinXP 
sp3-LyX 1.6.4-last version of BibLaTeX (0.8i)-koma report classand I suddenly I 
can't have my citations and references in my final pdf (200+pages), where 
everything worked well till today.From the log, it seems is a problem of an 
extra BibTeX run needed.Till now I can tell LaTeX run 4 times (or even 5, but 
last time is too fast to tell, and I'm not good in reading logs!)so I guess 
everything should run once more.The log will show a number of warnings, 
expecially from BibLaTeX, I always ignored because everything worked well (till 
today!)Please help me, I'm about 10 day from the completion of my dissertation! 
Thanks!Piero  
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Re: Professional and Scientific Writing Book

2009-11-04 Thread Piero Faustini

 
 Dealing with Word is a very common question on list, and in
 professional and academic circumstances discussing it -- at exhaustive
 length, since all of the options are well less than perfect -- would
 likely be very helpful.

Yep. More in general, and I would never stop repeating it, LyX is likely to 
become the choice for thousands of non-geek academics and writers, expecially 
in 
humanistic fields. Thus, all of these topics need to be discussed and explained 
well:

1. Collaborating techniques and strategies (along with the to/from MSWord/Ooo 
conversion)
2. the other half of the skye (read: humanistic fields)
3. BibLaTeX package (useful for all but expecially for humanists)

But if what you want to write is not a online guide, but a book, it doesn't 
have 
to fiddle with tips and tricks to override problem x or problem y. You should 
concentrate in general strategies and choices, and just point to the tricks we 
can find in the mailing lists or googling.
On point 1) I would treat problems with collaborating with Word-like 
environments 
(say 99% of humanistic fields) (there have been recently a thread on this), on 
2) 
the best choices for non-scientific writing, on 3) just explain how good can 
this 
package work for almost all needs.
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Re: Professional and Scientific Writing Book

2009-11-04 Thread Piero Faustini

 
 Dealing with Word is a very common question on list, and in
 professional and academic circumstances discussing it -- at exhaustive
 length, since all of the options are well less than perfect -- would
 likely be very helpful.

Yep. More in general, and I would never stop repeating it, LyX is likely to 
become the choice for thousands of non-geek academics and writers, expecially 
in 
humanistic fields. Thus, all of these topics need to be discussed and explained 
well:

1. Collaborating techniques and strategies (along with the to/from MSWord/Ooo 
conversion)
2. the other half of the skye (read: humanistic fields)
3. BibLaTeX package (useful for all but expecially for humanists)

But if what you want to write is not a online guide, but a book, it doesn't 
have 
to fiddle with tips and tricks to override problem x or problem y. You should 
concentrate in general strategies and choices, and just point to the tricks we 
can find in the mailing lists or googling.
On point 1) I would treat problems with collaborating with Word-like 
environments 
(say 99% of humanistic fields) (there have been recently a thread on this), on 
2) 
the best choices for non-scientific writing, on 3) just explain how good can 
this 
package work for almost all needs.
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Re: Professional and Scientific Writing Book

2009-11-04 Thread Piero Faustini

 
> Dealing with Word is a very common question on list, and in
> professional and academic circumstances discussing it -- at exhaustive
> length, since all of the options are well less than perfect -- would
> likely be very helpful.

Yep. More in general, and I would never stop repeating it, LyX is likely to 
become the choice for thousands of non-geek academics and writers, expecially 
in 
humanistic fields. Thus, all of these topics need to be discussed and explained 
well:

1. Collaborating techniques and strategies (along with the "to/from MSWord/Ooo 
conversion")
2. the other half of the skye (read: humanistic fields)
3. BibLaTeX package (useful for all but expecially for humanists)

But if what you want to write is not a online guide, but a book, it doesn't 
have 
to fiddle with tips and tricks to override problem x or problem y. You should 
concentrate in general strategies and choices, and just point to the tricks we 
can find in the mailing lists or googling.
On point 1) I would treat problems with collaborating with Word-like 
environments 
(say 99% of humanistic fields) (there have been recently a thread on this), on 
2) 
the best choices for non-scientific writing, on 3) just explain how good can 
this 
package work for almost all needs.
_
Fatti riconoscere con i biglietti da visita di Messenger
http://www.messenger.it/bigliettiVisita.aspx

Re: Shortcuts

2009-06-08 Thread Piero Faustini

 Indeed - that is a luxury I would like as well!



1+ for this luxury



Re: Shortcuts

2009-06-08 Thread Piero Faustini

 Indeed - that is a luxury I would like as well!



1+ for this luxury



Re: Shortcuts

2009-06-08 Thread Piero Faustini

> Indeed - that is a luxury I would like as well!



1+ for this "luxury"



Re: Bibliography please help

2009-05-18 Thread Piero Faustini

 Do you know another application that could help us to build the Styles?

I never tried, but I can guess building styles with BibLaTeX would be not so 
difficoult, and it can do almost everything you can ask to other BibTeX 
packages. In addition, you can try modify existing BibLateX styles, although - 
I repeat - I never tried to do it.
And once you are able to use it, it would be worth for future needs.

Piero
 





Re: Bibliography please help

2009-05-18 Thread Piero Faustini

 Do you know another application that could help us to build the Styles?

I never tried, but I can guess building styles with BibLaTeX would be not so 
difficoult, and it can do almost everything you can ask to other BibTeX 
packages. In addition, you can try modify existing BibLateX styles, although - 
I repeat - I never tried to do it.
And once you are able to use it, it would be worth for future needs.

Piero
 





Re: Bibliography please help

2009-05-18 Thread Piero Faustini

> Do you know another application that could help us to build the Styles?

I never tried, but I can guess building styles with BibLaTeX would be not so 
difficoult, and it can do almost everything you can ask to other BibTeX 
packages. In addition, you can try modify existing BibLateX styles, although - 
I repeat - I never tried to do it.
And once you are able to use it, it would be worth for future needs.

Piero
 





Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
I couldn't find a discussion on this topic.
How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite one) 
just as it was one page?
 (I don't want a Longtable. Just a table which use 2 pages as they were one).
Another similar question on tables which could partially solve question above:
 Is there a way to have a longtable left-right-wise, instead of top-bottom-
wise? I mean longtable which continue its too-wide-right-side on next page(s), 
not its bottom side.
(I know this is much a LaTeX question, but in LyX things with tables could get 
worse so LyX expert can help better)
Thanks!
Piero



Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Dominik Waßenhoven domw...@... writes:

 Regarding upper case after dots in strings like 'ibid.' etc.: You have
 to use the optional argument to the cite command for this, e.g.
 \cite[cfr.][]{FaustiniBraga}, then 'ibid.' or 'id.' don't get
 capitalized. You can also achieve this from within LyX. See the
 documents (both .lyx and .bib) below:

Yep, you're right, I feel stupid I didn't think about it...
thanks



Re: Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@... writes:

 
 Piero Faustini wrote:
  How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite
  one) just as it was one page?
 
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=dpfloat
 
 Jürgen
 
 
thanks J.
that's useful, but not for my case:
the tables would be left aligned.
BTW, is it possible to have a common table center aligned in a way that if 
larger than text line, would span to the right AND to the left?






Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
I couldn't find a discussion on this topic.
How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite one) 
just as it was one page?
 (I don't want a Longtable. Just a table which use 2 pages as they were one).
Another similar question on tables which could partially solve question above:
 Is there a way to have a longtable left-right-wise, instead of top-bottom-
wise? I mean longtable which continue its too-wide-right-side on next page(s), 
not its bottom side.
(I know this is much a LaTeX question, but in LyX things with tables could get 
worse so LyX expert can help better)
Thanks!
Piero



Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Dominik Waßenhoven domw...@... writes:

 Regarding upper case after dots in strings like 'ibid.' etc.: You have
 to use the optional argument to the cite command for this, e.g.
 \cite[cfr.][]{FaustiniBraga}, then 'ibid.' or 'id.' don't get
 capitalized. You can also achieve this from within LyX. See the
 documents (both .lyx and .bib) below:

Yep, you're right, I feel stupid I didn't think about it...
thanks



Re: Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@... writes:

 
 Piero Faustini wrote:
  How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite
  one) just as it was one page?
 
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=dpfloat
 
 Jürgen
 
 
thanks J.
that's useful, but not for my case:
the tables would be left aligned.
BTW, is it possible to have a common table center aligned in a way that if 
larger than text line, would span to the right AND to the left?






Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
I couldn't find a discussion on this topic.
How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite one) 
just as it was one page?
 (I don't want a Longtable. Just a table which use 2 pages as they were one).
Another similar question on tables which could partially solve question above:
 Is there a way to have a longtable left-right-wise, instead of top-bottom-
wise? I mean longtable which continue its too-wide-right-side on next page(s), 
not its bottom side.
(I know this is much a LaTeX question, but in LyX things with tables could get 
worse so LyX expert can help better)
Thanks!
Piero



Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Dominik Waßenhoven  writes:

> Regarding upper case after dots in strings like 'ibid.' etc.: You have
> to use the optional argument to the cite command for this, e.g.
> \cite[cfr.][]{FaustiniBraga}, then 'ibid.' or 'id.' don't get
> capitalized. You can also achieve this from within LyX. See the
> documents (both .lyx and .bib) below:

Yep, you're right, I feel stupid I didn't think about it...
thanks



Re: Table in 2 (odd-even) pages

2009-05-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@...> writes:

> 
> Piero Faustini wrote:
> > How can I have a table span across 2 pages (an odd page and the opposite
> > one) just as it was one page?
> 
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=dpfloat
> 
> Jürgen
> 
> 
thanks J.
that's useful, but not for my case:
the tables would be left aligned.
BTW, is it possible to have a common table center aligned in a way that if 
larger than text line, would span to the right AND to the left?






Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini

 The difference between the DVI and the PDF outputs is very strange. If you 
 could make a small self inclosed latex example, you should add it to the 
 tracker.

Ok, some diagnostic done.
1. It's not that the DVI (as well as PS) output works, but the opposite: It 
actually doesn't work after a full stop, and ONLY for Ib. (Id. works).
2. This malfunction is caused by the hyperref package. If I omit  this, 
everything work (bad) as before.
3. The Ibidem/Idem capitalization problem is still there.

I have this file:



%% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[italian]{scrbook}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin9]{inputenc}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{1}
\setcounter{tocdepth}{3}

%% User specified LaTeX commands.
%\widowpenalty=1
%\clubpenalty=1
\usepackage[babel]{csquotes} 
\usepackage[natbib=true,style=verbose-trad2,sorting=nyt,hyperref=true, 
backref=true, strict=false]{biblatex}

\bibliography{F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF}

\usepackage[unicode=true]
 {hyperref}

\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniBraga}; \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}%
} prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr.\ 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
cfr.\ \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
\citet{FaustiniBraga};.%
}
\printbibliography
\end{document}





with the TesiUTF.bib (which is not UTF-encoded actually...) file:



@phdthesis{
FaustiniTesiSolera,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso: indagine sui melodrammi di 
Temistocle Solera (1816ca. - 1878), poeta e compositore},
   ShortTitle = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso},
   School = {Università di Bologna},
   Type = {Tesi di Laurea in Drammaturgia musicale},
  Year = {2003} }



@inproceedings{
FaustiniBraga,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il successo 
internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   ShortTitle = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il 
successo internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   BookTitle = {Gaetano braga, un musicista europeo},
   Address= {Varenna},
  Year = {2007} }



@article{
FaustiniSoleraBiografia,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   ShortTitle = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   Journal = {Annali Online - Lettere - Università degli studi di Ferrara},
   Pages = {25},
  Year = {2009} }
















Re: How to update to 1.6.2?

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini
Pablo pa...@... writes:

 
 Excuse me for this noob question.
 
 I have Lyx 1.6.1 under Windows. I want to update to 1.6.2. What is the way to 
do
 this? I have to download the new version and install and the installer update
 Lyx automatically?
 
 Thanks!
 
 

You have ti download LyX 1.6.2
I don't know if it will uninstall 1.6.1 automagically
Perhaps you want to uninstall it before. I think it doesn't delete yuour 
settings, but you may want to have a backup of the settings folder.

Piero



Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini

 The difference between the DVI and the PDF outputs is very strange. If you 
 could make a small self inclosed latex example, you should add it to the 
 tracker.

Ok, some diagnostic done.
1. It's not that the DVI (as well as PS) output works, but the opposite: It 
actually doesn't work after a full stop, and ONLY for Ib. (Id. works).
2. This malfunction is caused by the hyperref package. If I omit  this, 
everything work (bad) as before.
3. The Ibidem/Idem capitalization problem is still there.

I have this file:



%% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[italian]{scrbook}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin9]{inputenc}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{1}
\setcounter{tocdepth}{3}

%% User specified LaTeX commands.
%\widowpenalty=1
%\clubpenalty=1
\usepackage[babel]{csquotes} 
\usepackage[natbib=true,style=verbose-trad2,sorting=nyt,hyperref=true, 
backref=true, strict=false]{biblatex}

\bibliography{F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF}

\usepackage[unicode=true]
 {hyperref}

\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniBraga}; \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}%
} prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr.\ 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
cfr.\ \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
\citet{FaustiniBraga};.%
}
\printbibliography
\end{document}





with the TesiUTF.bib (which is not UTF-encoded actually...) file:



@phdthesis{
FaustiniTesiSolera,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso: indagine sui melodrammi di 
Temistocle Solera (1816ca. - 1878), poeta e compositore},
   ShortTitle = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso},
   School = {Università di Bologna},
   Type = {Tesi di Laurea in Drammaturgia musicale},
  Year = {2003} }



@inproceedings{
FaustiniBraga,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il successo 
internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   ShortTitle = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il 
successo internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   BookTitle = {Gaetano braga, un musicista europeo},
   Address= {Varenna},
  Year = {2007} }



@article{
FaustiniSoleraBiografia,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   ShortTitle = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   Journal = {Annali Online - Lettere - Università degli studi di Ferrara},
   Pages = {25},
  Year = {2009} }
















Re: How to update to 1.6.2?

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini
Pablo pa...@... writes:

 
 Excuse me for this noob question.
 
 I have Lyx 1.6.1 under Windows. I want to update to 1.6.2. What is the way to 
do
 this? I have to download the new version and install and the installer update
 Lyx automatically?
 
 Thanks!
 
 

You have ti download LyX 1.6.2
I don't know if it will uninstall 1.6.1 automagically
Perhaps you want to uninstall it before. I think it doesn't delete yuour 
settings, but you may want to have a backup of the settings folder.

Piero



Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini

> The difference between the DVI and the PDF outputs is very strange. If you 
> could make a small self inclosed latex example, you should add it to the 
> tracker.

Ok, some diagnostic done.
1. It's not that the DVI (as well as PS) output works, but the opposite: It 
actually doesn't work after a full stop, and ONLY for Ib. (Id. works).
2. This malfunction is caused by the hyperref package. If I omit  this, 
everything work (bad) as before.
3. The Ibidem/Idem capitalization problem is still there.

I have this file:



%% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[italian]{scrbook}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin9]{inputenc}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{1}
\setcounter{tocdepth}{3}

%% User specified LaTeX commands.
%\widowpenalty=1
%\clubpenalty=1
\usepackage[babel]{csquotes} 
\usepackage[natbib=true,style=verbose-trad2,sorting=nyt,hyperref=true, 
backref=true, strict=false]{biblatex}

\bibliography{F:/DiLavoro/Tesi/TesiUTF}

\usepackage[unicode=true]
 {hyperref}

\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniBraga}; \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}%
} prova%
\footnote{\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera}; cfr.\ 
\citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
cfr.\ \citet{FaustiniSoleraBiografia}; cfr. \citet{FaustiniTesiSolera};
\citet{FaustiniBraga};.%
}
\printbibliography
\end{document}





with the TesiUTF.bib (which is not UTF-encoded actually...) file:



@phdthesis{
FaustiniTesiSolera,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso: indagine sui melodrammi di 
Temistocle Solera (1816ca. - 1878), poeta e compositore},
   ShortTitle = {Il libretto romantico come testo d'uso},
   School = {Università di Bologna},
   Type = {Tesi di Laurea in Drammaturgia musicale},
  Year = {2003} }



@inproceedings{
FaustiniBraga,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il successo 
internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   ShortTitle = {Ruy Blas tra  drame e mélodrame: un inedito rivale per il 
successo internazionale di Filippo Marchetti},
   BookTitle = {Gaetano braga, un musicista europeo},
   Address= {Varenna},
  Year = {2007} }



@article{
FaustiniSoleraBiografia,
   Author = {Faustini, Piero},
   Title = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   ShortTitle = {Vita e melodramma: Temistocle Solera (1815-1878)},
   Journal = {Annali Online - Lettere - Università degli studi di Ferrara},
   Pages = {25},
  Year = {2009} }
















Re: How to update to 1.6.2?

2009-04-30 Thread Piero Faustini
Pablo  writes:

> 
> Excuse me for this noob question.
> 
> I have Lyx 1.6.1 under Windows. I want to update to 1.6.2. What is the way to 
do
> this? I have to download the new version and install and the installer update
> Lyx automatically?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

You have ti download LyX 1.6.2
I don't know if it will uninstall 1.6.1 automagically
Perhaps you want to uninstall it before. I think it doesn't delete yuour 
settings, but you may want to have a backup of the settings folder.

Piero



Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
I find very annoying the fact that when citing with the verbose-trad styles of 
BibLaTeX and it switches to latinitates like Id. and Ibid., LaTeX can't get 
it to have the correct upper/lower case (I bet this is NOT a BibLaTeX issue, 
but a LaTeX problem):
- When citing at the beginning of a footnote, it puts them in lower case (so I 
have to manually switch Force upper case in the citation dialogue)
- When citing after a dot of a abbreviated word (I for instnace use a lot the 
abbreviation cfr. (confronta) just before the citation) it swithches to 
UPPER CASE! And this time I can't force it to use lower case: I tried with 
small, protected or inter-word space: no way, and as it does not exist the 
opposite of End of sentence, I can't have it recognize the abbreviation...  

I bet this problem could come back in other cases, e.g. textual on page 
cross-references.

Is there a way to have this behave correctly?







Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Charles de Miramon cmira...@... writes:

 There are two problems that you should add to biblatex tracker :
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1126006group_id=244752func=browse
 
 First an option to force capitalization at the start of the footnote, an 
 extension of \DeclareCapitalPunctuation{ characters }
 
 Second an option to suppress capitalization if there is a special space 
 (like a protected space) after a punctuation that should normally requires a 
 xapital.
 
 Whith these two additions, it will be possible to have 
 
 15. Ibid., p. 145
 
 and
 
 16. Cf. ibid, p. 147
 
 I have also hit the same problem using biblatex but did not have the time to 
 report the problem. Maybe, you can do it.
 
 Charles
 

Thanks.
There's already a issue open in BibLaTeX:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
func=detailaid=2460100group_id=244752atid=1126005

The issue is about the DVI and PDF output differ. In fact, I also get the wrong 
upper caps after a dot in a PDF, while it is OK in DVI. For the wrong small 
caps, both don't work.

Piero







Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Guenter Milde mi...@... writes:

 Writing a 150+ pages book with LyX is a common task.

No problem with my dissertation of 130+ (and growing) pages.



Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
I find very annoying the fact that when citing with the verbose-trad styles of 
BibLaTeX and it switches to latinitates like Id. and Ibid., LaTeX can't get 
it to have the correct upper/lower case (I bet this is NOT a BibLaTeX issue, 
but a LaTeX problem):
- When citing at the beginning of a footnote, it puts them in lower case (so I 
have to manually switch Force upper case in the citation dialogue)
- When citing after a dot of a abbreviated word (I for instnace use a lot the 
abbreviation cfr. (confronta) just before the citation) it swithches to 
UPPER CASE! And this time I can't force it to use lower case: I tried with 
small, protected or inter-word space: no way, and as it does not exist the 
opposite of End of sentence, I can't have it recognize the abbreviation...  

I bet this problem could come back in other cases, e.g. textual on page 
cross-references.

Is there a way to have this behave correctly?







Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Charles de Miramon cmira...@... writes:

 There are two problems that you should add to biblatex tracker :
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1126006group_id=244752func=browse
 
 First an option to force capitalization at the start of the footnote, an 
 extension of \DeclareCapitalPunctuation{ characters }
 
 Second an option to suppress capitalization if there is a special space 
 (like a protected space) after a punctuation that should normally requires a 
 xapital.
 
 Whith these two additions, it will be possible to have 
 
 15. Ibid., p. 145
 
 and
 
 16. Cf. ibid, p. 147
 
 I have also hit the same problem using biblatex but did not have the time to 
 report the problem. Maybe, you can do it.
 
 Charles
 

Thanks.
There's already a issue open in BibLaTeX:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
func=detailaid=2460100group_id=244752atid=1126005

The issue is about the DVI and PDF output differ. In fact, I also get the wrong 
upper caps after a dot in a PDF, while it is OK in DVI. For the wrong small 
caps, both don't work.

Piero







Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Guenter Milde mi...@... writes:

 Writing a 150+ pages book with LyX is a common task.

No problem with my dissertation of 130+ (and growing) pages.



Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
I find very annoying the fact that when citing with the verbose-trad styles of 
BibLaTeX and it switches to latinitates like "Id." and "Ibid.", LaTeX can't get 
it to have the correct upper/lower case (I bet this is NOT a BibLaTeX issue, 
but a LaTeX problem):
- When citing at the beginning of a footnote, it puts them in lower case (so I 
have to manually switch "Force upper case" in the citation dialogue)
- When citing after a dot of a abbreviated word (I for instnace use a lot the 
abbreviation "cfr." ("confronta") just before the citation) it swithches to 
UPPER CASE! And this time I can't force it to use lower case: I tried with 
small, protected or inter-word space: no way, and as it does not exist the 
opposite of "End of sentence", I can't have it recognize the abbreviation...  

I bet this problem could come back in other cases, e.g. textual "" 
cross-references.

Is there a way to have this behave correctly?







Re: Automatic upper case for citation? (using BibLaTeX)

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Charles de Miramon  writes:

> There are two problems that you should add to biblatex tracker :
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1126006_id=244752=browse
> 
> First an option to force capitalization at the start of the footnote, an 
> extension of \DeclareCapitalPunctuation{ characters }
> 
> Second an option to suppress capitalization if there is a special space 
> (like a protected space) after a punctuation that should normally requires a 
> xapital.
> 
> Whith these two additions, it will be possible to have 
> 
> 15. Ibid., p. 145
> 
> and
> 
> 16. Cf. ibid, p. 147
> 
> I have also hit the same problem using biblatex but did not have the time to 
> report the problem. Maybe, you can do it.
> 
> Charles
> 

Thanks.
There's already a issue open in BibLaTeX:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
func=detail=2460100_id=244752=1126005

The issue is about the DVI and PDF output differ. In fact, I also get the wrong 
upper caps after a dot in a PDF, while it is OK in DVI. For the wrong small 
caps, both don't work.

Piero







Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

2009-04-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Guenter Milde  writes:

> Writing a 150+ pages book with LyX is a common task.

No problem with my dissertation of 130+ (and growing) pages.



Re: Símbolos musicales

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Daniel Blech blech.dan...@... writes:

 
 ¿Cómo hago para insertar símbolos musicales en un documento lyx?
 
 Hasta ahora sólo pude hacerlo con imágenes, pero supongo que hay fuentes 
 específicas disponibles.
 
 Gracias por la ayuda!
 
 Daniel
 
 

depende de cuales simbulos necesitas.

- en LyX 1.6 puedes usar Insert  Special characters (no sè en la version 
espanola) y buscar los tres (o pocos mas) tristes simbulos de los fonts 
estandar (algo como los fonts Denemo de MS Word no existe, creo)

- con el package harmony, junto a la construction de muy complejos simbulos 
de analisis funcional, puedes imprimir tambien los simbulos musicales mas 
basicos, indicaciones de metro, y hasta alguna muy simple celula ritmica, pero 
tienes que ponerlos en el entorno ERT, y no los veras visualizados en LyX.

- Luego hay el sistema MusicTeX, con el cual puedes (siempre en ERT y no 
vizualizado) emprimir practicamente todo y con mucha precision, pero no te lo 
consejo si no eres un experto de LaTeX y no tienes paciencia infinita, a menos 
que sea muy muy muy (o sea: MUY) simple lo que tienes que hacer.

- Si de todas formas quieres algo complicado pero con un resultado excelente 
sin ponerte loco con LaTeX, lo mejor (y lo que uso yo) es LilyPond, que es 
suportado por LyX (que lo ENSENA), y que tendrias que instalar y aprender 
(confrontado con MusixTeX es hasta muy entretenido) pero eso es un capitulo a 
parte, si lo necesitas, deberìa explicarte mas en detalle COMO. Pero eso sì, la 
manera mas practica con Lilypond es usar imagenes, pero no es una manera tan 
fea como parece (LyX desarrolla las imagenes automaticamente si cambias el 
codigo LilyPond, etc.) y dà resultados, a mi manera de ver, inalcanzables con 
los tres otros sistemas. 

Espero haberte ayudado.

Piero

P.S. Y el ingles? (creo que va a ser muy duro recibir ayudas en espanol, 
aqui!!!)





2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,

I would like to put 2 or more figures of an example in a way that they are 
somewhat put together for comparing them, and I want them to be numbered, 
instead, let's say of 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 in a more convenient and logical 
way, for example 1.1a, 1.1b, 1.1c (subsequent figures/examples should 
continue the normal numbering: 1.2, 1.3 etc.)

For the same reason, I would like to have them put in the same line, if needed.
I have a link to a html document which have several examples like this (sorry, 
musicology stuff, my daily bread!):

http://www.rodoni.ch/MITODIFAUST/CD2/boito-mefistofele-girardi.htm

How to achieve this?

Thanks
Piero



Re: 2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
James C. Sutherland james.sutherl...@... writes:

 You can use subfigures (available in 1.6).  See section 1.2 in the  
 Embedded Objects help manual.  This will give you exactly what you  
 want, I think.

Yes, I already knew it existed, and only now I realize it does the same and is 
even more elegant than the example I posted.
 Thanks
Piero







Re: Símbolos musicales

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Daniel Blech blech.dan...@... writes:

 
 ¿Cómo hago para insertar símbolos musicales en un documento lyx?
 
 Hasta ahora sólo pude hacerlo con imágenes, pero supongo que hay fuentes 
 específicas disponibles.
 
 Gracias por la ayuda!
 
 Daniel
 
 

depende de cuales simbulos necesitas.

- en LyX 1.6 puedes usar Insert  Special characters (no sè en la version 
espanola) y buscar los tres (o pocos mas) tristes simbulos de los fonts 
estandar (algo como los fonts Denemo de MS Word no existe, creo)

- con el package harmony, junto a la construction de muy complejos simbulos 
de analisis funcional, puedes imprimir tambien los simbulos musicales mas 
basicos, indicaciones de metro, y hasta alguna muy simple celula ritmica, pero 
tienes que ponerlos en el entorno ERT, y no los veras visualizados en LyX.

- Luego hay el sistema MusicTeX, con el cual puedes (siempre en ERT y no 
vizualizado) emprimir practicamente todo y con mucha precision, pero no te lo 
consejo si no eres un experto de LaTeX y no tienes paciencia infinita, a menos 
que sea muy muy muy (o sea: MUY) simple lo que tienes que hacer.

- Si de todas formas quieres algo complicado pero con un resultado excelente 
sin ponerte loco con LaTeX, lo mejor (y lo que uso yo) es LilyPond, que es 
suportado por LyX (que lo ENSENA), y que tendrias que instalar y aprender 
(confrontado con MusixTeX es hasta muy entretenido) pero eso es un capitulo a 
parte, si lo necesitas, deberìa explicarte mas en detalle COMO. Pero eso sì, la 
manera mas practica con Lilypond es usar imagenes, pero no es una manera tan 
fea como parece (LyX desarrolla las imagenes automaticamente si cambias el 
codigo LilyPond, etc.) y dà resultados, a mi manera de ver, inalcanzables con 
los tres otros sistemas. 

Espero haberte ayudado.

Piero

P.S. Y el ingles? (creo que va a ser muy duro recibir ayudas en espanol, 
aqui!!!)





2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,

I would like to put 2 or more figures of an example in a way that they are 
somewhat put together for comparing them, and I want them to be numbered, 
instead, let's say of 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 in a more convenient and logical 
way, for example 1.1a, 1.1b, 1.1c (subsequent figures/examples should 
continue the normal numbering: 1.2, 1.3 etc.)

For the same reason, I would like to have them put in the same line, if needed.
I have a link to a html document which have several examples like this (sorry, 
musicology stuff, my daily bread!):

http://www.rodoni.ch/MITODIFAUST/CD2/boito-mefistofele-girardi.htm

How to achieve this?

Thanks
Piero



Re: 2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
James C. Sutherland james.sutherl...@... writes:

 You can use subfigures (available in 1.6).  See section 1.2 in the  
 Embedded Objects help manual.  This will give you exactly what you  
 want, I think.

Yes, I already knew it existed, and only now I realize it does the same and is 
even more elegant than the example I posted.
 Thanks
Piero







Re: Símbolos musicales

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Daniel Blech  writes:

> 
> ¿Cómo hago para insertar símbolos musicales en un documento lyx?
> 
> Hasta ahora sólo pude hacerlo con imágenes, pero supongo que hay fuentes 
> específicas disponibles.
> 
> Gracias por la ayuda!
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 

depende de cuales simbulos necesitas.

- en LyX 1.6 puedes usar Insert > Special characters (no sè en la version 
espanola) y buscar los tres (o pocos mas) tristes simbulos de los fonts 
estandar (algo como los fonts "Denemo" de MS Word no existe, creo)

- con el package "harmony", junto a la construction de muy complejos simbulos 
de analisis funcional, puedes imprimir tambien los simbulos musicales mas 
basicos, indicaciones de metro, y hasta alguna muy simple celula ritmica, pero 
tienes que ponerlos en el entorno ERT, y no los veras visualizados en LyX.

- Luego hay el sistema MusicTeX, con el cual puedes (siempre en ERT y no 
vizualizado) emprimir practicamente todo y con mucha precision, pero no te lo 
consejo si no eres un experto de LaTeX y no tienes paciencia infinita, a menos 
que sea muy muy muy (o sea: MUY) simple lo que tienes que hacer.

- Si de todas formas quieres algo complicado pero con un resultado excelente 
sin ponerte loco con LaTeX, lo mejor (y lo que uso yo) es LilyPond, que es 
suportado por LyX (que lo ENSENA), y que tendrias que instalar y aprender 
(confrontado con MusixTeX es hasta muy entretenido) pero eso es un capitulo a 
parte, si lo necesitas, deberìa explicarte mas en detalle COMO. Pero eso sì, la 
manera mas practica con Lilypond es usar "imagenes", pero no es una manera tan 
fea como parece (LyX desarrolla las imagenes automaticamente si cambias el 
codigo LilyPond, etc.) y dà resultados, a mi manera de ver, inalcanzables con 
los tres otros sistemas. 

Espero haberte ayudado.

Piero

P.S. Y el ingles? (creo que va a ser muy duro recibir ayudas en espanol, 
aqui!!!)





2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,

I would like to put 2 or more figures of an example in a way that they are 
somewhat "put together" for comparing them, and I want them to be numbered, 
instead, let's say of "1.1", "1.2" and "1.3" in a more convenient and logical 
way, for example "1.1a", "1.1b", "1.1c" (subsequent figures/examples should 
continue the normal numbering: 1.2, 1.3 etc.)

For the same reason, I would like to have them put in the same line, if needed.
I have a link to a html document which have several examples like this (sorry, 
musicology stuff, my daily bread!):

http://www.rodoni.ch/MITODIFAUST/CD2/boito-mefistofele-girardi.htm

How to achieve this?

Thanks
Piero



Re: 2 or more Figures/examples with convenient numbering

2009-04-28 Thread Piero Faustini
James C. Sutherland  writes:

> You can use subfigures (available in 1.6).  See section 1.2 in the  
> "Embedded Objects" help manual.  This will give you exactly what you  
> want, I think.

Yes, I already knew it existed, and only now I realize it does the same and is 
even more elegant than the example I posted.
 Thanks
Piero







Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

2009-04-11 Thread Piero Faustini

 If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw 
 Text. 

No, no, Evil Red TeX. It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and 
fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.





Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

2009-04-11 Thread Piero Faustini

 If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw 
 Text. 

No, no, Evil Red TeX. It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and 
fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.





Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

2009-04-11 Thread Piero Faustini

> If you wish, you can decode "ERT" in the collapsable buttons as "Embedded Raw 
> Text". 

No, no, "Evil Red TeX". It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and 
fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.





Warnings/advices after installing?

2009-04-09 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I just re-installed LyX and MikTeX on WinXP and once again forgot to install 
italian and other languages hyphenation support in MikTeX. This made me think 
that as it is something I always have to do after installing MikTeX, LyX 
installer should someway warn the new user to check for every option in MikTeX, 
included, of course hyphenation patterns and language support. I can remember 
that the 1st time I used LyX (and LaTeX) I discovered this only after some 
weeks of various problems with my language.
Just a warning would be very useful for new users.
bye
H.



Warnings/advices after installing?

2009-04-09 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I just re-installed LyX and MikTeX on WinXP and once again forgot to install 
italian and other languages hyphenation support in MikTeX. This made me think 
that as it is something I always have to do after installing MikTeX, LyX 
installer should someway warn the new user to check for every option in MikTeX, 
included, of course hyphenation patterns and language support. I can remember 
that the 1st time I used LyX (and LaTeX) I discovered this only after some 
weeks of various problems with my language.
Just a warning would be very useful for new users.
bye
H.



Warnings/advices after installing?

2009-04-09 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I just re-installed LyX and MikTeX on WinXP and once again forgot to install 
italian and other languages hyphenation support in MikTeX. This made me think 
that as it is something I always have to do after installing MikTeX, LyX 
installer should someway warn the new user to check for every option in MikTeX, 
included, of course hyphenation patterns and language support. I can remember 
that the 1st time I used LyX (and LaTeX) I discovered this only after some 
weeks of various problems with my language.
Just a warning would be very useful for new users.
bye
H.



Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-07 Thread Piero Faustini

 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.
 
 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!







Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-07 Thread Piero Faustini

 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.
 
 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!







Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-07 Thread Piero Faustini

> Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
> to retype it all again.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex Fernández.
> 
> 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!







Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini
After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.





RE: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini


 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 
 I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
 document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
 find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
 my best to make your documents work.
 
 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.
 
 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
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Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini
After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.





RE: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini


 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 
 I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
 document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
 find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
 my best to make your documents work.
 
 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.
 
 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
_
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Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini
After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.





RE: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-04-06 Thread Piero Faustini


> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
>> It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
>> eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
>> OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
>> http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
> 
> I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
> document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
> find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
> my best to make your documents work.
> 
>> But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
>> your file with OpenOffice or Word.
> 
> Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
> to retype it all again.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
_
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Re: changing fontsize of quotation environment

2009-04-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Piero Faustini pierofaust...@... writes:

 
 Guenter Milde mi...@... writes:
 
   \newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
   \let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
   \renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\small}
  
  ... and use a command provided by the package relsize for relative size
  change (as requested by the OP) instead of \small ...
 
 i.e.: \relsize{-1} and me too I'm happy!!! Thanks all, I needed this. My book 
 seems very professional!
 
 

Ok, to be perfect \quote paragraph would just need to reduce paragraph-
separation-vertical-space to a value proportional to the context environment 
(e.g. footnotes), because if not it could be huge in comparison! How to achieve 
this? Not manually, I mean.
But don't get an headache, it's just for the sake of perfection.
Piero





Re: changing fontsize of quotation environment

2009-04-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Piero Faustini pierofaust...@... writes:

 
 Guenter Milde mi...@... writes:
 
   \newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
   \let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
   \renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\small}
  
  ... and use a command provided by the package relsize for relative size
  change (as requested by the OP) instead of \small ...
 
 i.e.: \relsize{-1} and me too I'm happy!!! Thanks all, I needed this. My book 
 seems very professional!
 
 

Ok, to be perfect \quote paragraph would just need to reduce paragraph-
separation-vertical-space to a value proportional to the context environment 
(e.g. footnotes), because if not it could be huge in comparison! How to achieve 
this? Not manually, I mean.
But don't get an headache, it's just for the sake of perfection.
Piero





Re: changing fontsize of quotation environment

2009-04-01 Thread Piero Faustini
Piero Faustini <pierofaust...@...> writes:

> 
> Guenter Milde <mi...@...> writes:
> 
> > > \newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
> > > \let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
> > > \renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\small}
> > 
> > ... and use a command provided by the package relsize for relative size
> > change (as requested by the OP) instead of \small ...
> 
> i.e.: \relsize{-1} and me too I'm happy!!! Thanks all, I needed this. My book 
> seems very professional!
> 
> 

Ok, to be perfect \quote paragraph would just need to reduce paragraph-
separation-vertical-space to a value proportional to the context environment 
(e.g. footnotes), because if not it could be huge in comparison! How to achieve 
this? Not manually, I mean.
But don't get an headache, it's just for the sake of perfection.
Piero





LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
Hello world doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the export  oo menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with hello world), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero



Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always seems to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so feel free to use my body for your experiments!)

Thanks!

Piero



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Manveru manv...@... writes:

 I do not know who can I bomb with a feature request for more
 intelligent thread merge for messages from discussion lists. There is
 special marker in message headers to do that - GMAIL ignores that.
 That's a shame bug.

It's me who casted a evil spell on the Mailing List, or what?
GMANE since yesterday started to behave exactly as you told GMAIL does: now the 
thread I started is split in several ones!!! In Italy I would be called a 
menagramo (something like bad luck antenna) and banned from human society.
To our (serious) discussion: Manveru, I hope you didn't feel negative 
vibrations in my criticism to your answer, in fact I found it very polite and 
constructive.
I tried to express a need that I think could be the *silent* majority's one, 
without, as someone requested, give data on it but based on what I can see 
today in the internet and in my department of History.
For instance, I would like to convert to LyX my supervisor (we are 
musicologists) which is, in his 55, a great academic and an exceptionally 
opened and curious mind. But his relationship with the IT is much more similar 
to my 19y old sister's one than to any other person here, and I'm sure he's NO 
exception in our humanistic field, being the IT and computers pros (and much 
much much more the old way pros) THE rare exceptions in departments similar 
to mine. If some researcher in my Faculty uses the internet in order to look 
for information, no matter his age, he uses it in the same way of a 15 years 
old boy, *** because they started using it at the same moment. And I guess we 
can't call him a neostrada child.
Arguments that claims forum is not good enough because the only existing LyX 
forum has just a few contributors is too much similar to saying why caring 
about public transport? Nobody uses it!: public transport will be efficient, 
fast, reliable, cheap and widely used when cars will be banned and money 
inverted in it, NOT and NEVER before. In the same way, until the best LyX 
contributors and LyX helping hands use mailing lists, any forum will be almost 
useless. In fact, I don't use it, just reply once in a while to stuck people 
about very very simple things.  
With this, I don't want to force anyone in changing its habits. On the other 
hand, thanks to people like you I understood the advantages and philosophy of 
lists, although new and basic LyX users are still unlikely to have an easy 
first access to this very one. If there's something I can do to make it a bit 
easier for them (most of all because I've been recently in the same trouble), 
please tell me.
Piero

P.S. One thing could be to add to the ml/forum page a link to

 http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19 

for newbies specifying that ML is much better to ask for more than basic 
issues. Similar links to other language specific forums (if existing) could be 
even better if we recommend to come back to ML once issues grow serious.

*** Jstor or similars turned out to be really interesting for humanists not 
more than a bunch of months ago



RE: Lilypond integration

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini


 The big question is - how can we know that another re-run is needed? LyX 
 can't look at the final PDF and spot a badly broken musical line. 
 However, lyx can be made to search any logfile lilypond produce, and 
 look for messages that indicate such problems.
 
 I don't know enough about lilypond to answer this.
 
 Helge Hafting

This is far beyond my knowledge, but I will be happy to help by testing and/or 
debugging, if it's not enough giving suggestions and advice.
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LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
Hello world doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the export  oo menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with hello world), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero



Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always seems to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so feel free to use my body for your experiments!)

Thanks!

Piero



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Manveru manv...@... writes:

 I do not know who can I bomb with a feature request for more
 intelligent thread merge for messages from discussion lists. There is
 special marker in message headers to do that - GMAIL ignores that.
 That's a shame bug.

It's me who casted a evil spell on the Mailing List, or what?
GMANE since yesterday started to behave exactly as you told GMAIL does: now the 
thread I started is split in several ones!!! In Italy I would be called a 
menagramo (something like bad luck antenna) and banned from human society.
To our (serious) discussion: Manveru, I hope you didn't feel negative 
vibrations in my criticism to your answer, in fact I found it very polite and 
constructive.
I tried to express a need that I think could be the *silent* majority's one, 
without, as someone requested, give data on it but based on what I can see 
today in the internet and in my department of History.
For instance, I would like to convert to LyX my supervisor (we are 
musicologists) which is, in his 55, a great academic and an exceptionally 
opened and curious mind. But his relationship with the IT is much more similar 
to my 19y old sister's one than to any other person here, and I'm sure he's NO 
exception in our humanistic field, being the IT and computers pros (and much 
much much more the old way pros) THE rare exceptions in departments similar 
to mine. If some researcher in my Faculty uses the internet in order to look 
for information, no matter his age, he uses it in the same way of a 15 years 
old boy, *** because they started using it at the same moment. And I guess we 
can't call him a neostrada child.
Arguments that claims forum is not good enough because the only existing LyX 
forum has just a few contributors is too much similar to saying why caring 
about public transport? Nobody uses it!: public transport will be efficient, 
fast, reliable, cheap and widely used when cars will be banned and money 
inverted in it, NOT and NEVER before. In the same way, until the best LyX 
contributors and LyX helping hands use mailing lists, any forum will be almost 
useless. In fact, I don't use it, just reply once in a while to stuck people 
about very very simple things.  
With this, I don't want to force anyone in changing its habits. On the other 
hand, thanks to people like you I understood the advantages and philosophy of 
lists, although new and basic LyX users are still unlikely to have an easy 
first access to this very one. If there's something I can do to make it a bit 
easier for them (most of all because I've been recently in the same trouble), 
please tell me.
Piero

P.S. One thing could be to add to the ml/forum page a link to

 http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19 

for newbies specifying that ML is much better to ask for more than basic 
issues. Similar links to other language specific forums (if existing) could be 
even better if we recommend to come back to ML once issues grow serious.

*** Jstor or similars turned out to be really interesting for humanists not 
more than a bunch of months ago



RE: Lilypond integration

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini


 The big question is - how can we know that another re-run is needed? LyX 
 can't look at the final PDF and spot a badly broken musical line. 
 However, lyx can be made to search any logfile lilypond produce, and 
 look for messages that indicate such problems.
 
 I don't know enough about lilypond to answer this.
 
 Helge Hafting

This is far beyond my knowledge, but I will be happy to help by testing and/or 
debugging, if it's not enough giving suggestions and advice.
_
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LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
"Hello world" doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
>From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the "export > oo" menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with "hello world"), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero



Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after "execute 
command htlatex..." the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always "seems" to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so "feel free to use my body for your experiments!")

Thanks!

Piero



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini
Manveru  writes:

> I do not know who can I bomb with a feature request for more
> intelligent thread merge for messages from discussion lists. There is
> special marker in message headers to do that - GMAIL ignores that.
> That's a shame bug.

It's me who casted a evil spell on the Mailing List, or what?
GMANE since yesterday started to behave exactly as you told GMAIL does: now the 
thread I started is split in several ones!!! In Italy I would be called a 
"menagramo" (something like "bad luck antenna") and banned from human society.
To our (serious) discussion: Manveru, I hope you didn't feel negative 
vibrations in my criticism to your answer, in fact I found it very polite and 
constructive.
I tried to express a need that I think could be the *silent* majority's one, 
without, as someone requested, give "data" on it but based on what I can see 
today in the internet and in my department of History.
For instance, I would like to convert to LyX my supervisor (we are 
musicologists) which is, in his 55, a great academic and an exceptionally 
opened and curious mind. But his relationship with the IT is much more similar 
to my 19y old sister's one than to any other person here, and I'm sure he's NO 
exception in our humanistic field, being the IT and computers "pros" (and much 
much much more the "old way" pros) THE rare exceptions in departments similar 
to mine. If some researcher in my Faculty uses the internet in order to look 
for information, no matter his age, he uses it in the same way of a 15 years 
old boy, *** because they started using it at the same moment. And I guess we 
can't call him a "neostrada child".
Arguments that claims forum is not good enough because the only existing LyX 
forum has just a few contributors is too much similar to saying "why caring 
about public transport? Nobody uses it!": public transport will be efficient, 
fast, reliable, cheap and widely used when cars will be banned and money 
inverted in it, NOT and NEVER before. In the same way, until the best LyX 
contributors and LyX helping hands use mailing lists, any forum will be almost 
useless. In fact, I don't use it, just reply once in a while to stuck people 
about very very simple things.  
With this, I don't want to force anyone in changing its habits. On the other 
hand, thanks to people like you I understood the advantages and philosophy of 
lists, although new and basic LyX users are still unlikely to have an easy 
first access to this very one. If there's something I can do to make it a bit 
easier for them (most of all because I've been recently in the same trouble), 
please tell me.
Piero

P.S. One thing could be to add to the ml/forum page a link to

 http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19 

for newbies specifying that ML is much better to ask for more than basic 
issues. Similar links to other language specific forums (if existing) could be 
even better if we recommend to come back to ML once issues grow serious.

*** Jstor or similars turned out to be really interesting for humanists not 
more than a bunch of months ago



RE: Lilypond integration

2009-03-31 Thread Piero Faustini


> The big question is - how can we know that another re-run is needed? LyX 
> can't look at the final PDF and spot a badly broken musical line. 
> However, lyx can be made to search any logfile lilypond produce, and 
> look for messages that indicate such problems.
> 
> I don't know enough about lilypond to answer this.
> 
> Helge Hafting

This is far beyond my knowledge, but I will be happy to help by testing and/or 
debugging, if it's not enough giving suggestions and advice.
_
25 GB di spazio gratis online: attiva SkyDrive!
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/136430529/direct/01/

LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello, 
I wonder why could not these discussions been moved to a forum.
I mean, the discussion list is great but is very hard to use for common users 
(I use GMANE for writing/browsing but I still receive daily updates in my 
mailbox).
A forum-like interface like Nabble would be much better but... why don't we use 
a normal forum site?
There's a LyX forum in LaTeX community but it's not as active as this 
discussion list; anyway I found that, as I did, other users posted something 
for this list in Nabble and then didn't get the answers because they didn't 
know Nabble don't post messages not posted directly there.
I think current (as past) LyX politic should be GO FOR THE AVERAGE USER, be 
simple and easy. Why LaTeX have a lot of forum sites, while LyX doesn't???
Lack of information or access to information is the worst (and senseless) way 
to discourage LyX users.
Thx
Piero





Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@... writes:

 Why is it hard to use? You sing the mailing list and then get the emails as 
described here:
 http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists
 The whole list is archived at various websites.
 

How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)? It's not me who says lists are 
difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.  

 I don't see an advantage. At forums I always have to log in before I can post 
and I have to open the 
 webpage to reply. That means I every time have to enable cookies in my 
browser, then enter my user 
 name and password and then write afterwards I have to delete my browser 
history and disable cookies. 
 With a mailing list I only have to subscribe once and get the emails whenever 
I want to. I can also 
 store important mails at my PC, forward messages, compose messages out of 
several other ones, CC and 
 BCC people,  All this is not possible with a forum.

It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies. I'm a Windows (95% of time) 
integrate internet user as millions more. I use cookies in my Xandros OS too. 
Integrate doesn't mean computer-pro. Sometimes it's opposite to pro.
Children use forums. They always had, because they are very, VERY simple. Lists 
are not that simple, comparing to forums (unless you care about cookies, which 
99% of people don't). Everything has its thumb up and down. I believe you that 
with lists you can do many things which a forum can't. But that's not the 
point. Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be ONLY 
for pro. Their worst difficoulty is to LEARN how it works (I spent some days 
puzzling and puzzling and sending messages to wrong addresses till I went to 
GMANE and used its forum-like interface)


 I think that LyX is one of the best documented projects and our user support 
is outstanding. When 
 you have a problem with LyX you'll usually get a solution within a day or 
two. So I'm interested why 
 you think LyX lacks information.

100% agree with you. I didn't want to say LyX lacks information. LyX 
information is GREAT and of 1st quality and fast and reliable and sincere. Just 
that if you can't have access to this information, it's value is ZERO, no 
matter why you didn't have access.
Let's say my name is Joe Average and I'm one of those 1000 potential LyX users 
who weekly crash in site. I use Windows and used MS Access at basic level once. 
I know something about html. I'm smart so I use OOo Writer with styles. I use 
the internet everyday. FULL STOP.
I found Lyx.org just because I read something, in a forum ;) of students. I try 
to use it and I get it working but that very day I get stuck trying to use some 
pics. Guide says I have to learn how to install it properly, and the basics of 
LaTeX. That's fair. Then I have to tweak something in the preamble. Ok. I have 
to change completely my Word-formatted mind. HARD, BUT I CAN. I just need some 
help, and LaTeX forums are not for LyXers and they're always with all that \$%. 
Then, they say me that I have to learn how to use a list (something I heard of 
at the beginning of the internet). I try once, twice. I give up lists. I give 
up LyX.
Hope will be better for next 999 users but I don't believe it.

Against common Scientific-pro based opinions, I think LyX strategy should be 
GO TO THE PEOPLE, to students, to humanists, to people who are not computer-
pros which are millions. They still have to learn something aboute code etc. 
but the LyX community should ban everything which could stay between them and 
LyX and of course between them and LyX information (and is not strictly 
needed). Lists are just one of these little annoying things. I didn't say we 
have to use Facebook or a social site or something like that. Just a simple, 
plain forum. In a modern forum you can use a lot of features, but you need 
cookies, of course ;) .
If the entire discussion moved there, everything would be better for new users.

Well this is my idea.
thanks for your opinion
Piero











Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Stefano Franchi fran...@... writes:

 Like Uwe, I am not quite sure I understand what's so difficult about lists. 
That 
 is, unless you are used to reading mail in a browser and never used a mail 
 client.

Of course I use a webclient (M$Hotmail, the worst ever, but who cares?) and 
everything ends up a mess.


 Lists have also many advantages, which Uwe summed up nicely. However, 
 I am also old enough to have used e-mail for years before browsing came into 
 existence, so what Piero is saying may just be a pointer to a generational 
 gap.
 

Good point. A gap. The most experienced (or advanced) Internet users are 
nowadays less than basic-traditional-computer users and only 1 on 100 of them 
used the internet in the mid 90s, where newsgroups and lists were the most 
advancede way to communicate, but this is ancient history. The same with the 
80s: advanced personal computers users and programmers knew nothing about basic 
electricity knoledge, which was the most advanced knoledge for their fathers. 
Who cared once? 
Nowadays the future is the advanced social networking, but the open community 
seems to be far less interested in it than companie$. This is absolutely the 
worst thing of the internet today. Glorious habits should evolve as everything 
else. What I lack most of LyX (and LaTeX)? Web-based environments, web-based 
bibliographies, web-based computing.. ok, we can't have EVERYTHING, but the 
various Google-Whatever are the best creatures of the net and this is the 
future, we all know it.

 The issue though, is that the great support Lyx provides is (mostly) in the 
 hands of a relatively small group of people who very generously share their 
 time and expertise---Uwe himself being perhaps the most active member of this 
 group. What they prefer is the law of lyx-land!

Without all of you I would be almost dead. Thank you with the entire lyxer 
heart.



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini


Hello once again.

I can't reply to all.
I can read with my eyes not even one of you agreed with any of my arguments 
(not speaking of the thesis). I only want to point out that many counter-
arguments where correct but quite off-topic, many where correct but weak, the 
most strong ones were based on misundestanding of what I wanted to express (my 
bad english being the 1st responsible, of course), the most deep were just 
opinions, while I found most interesting what Stefano said (sorry, he's the 
only fellow Italian) and when it pointed out the gap feeling.
I will not speak of FORA (I have no doubt that Rich after hearing a female 
choir performance always shout loud the italian word Brave! rather than 
Bravi, Brava or Bravo ;) ) cause this transcend. I will not get 
philosophical, or I'll try.
I'll reply to Manveru.

 Don't feel offended, but I think LyX was not designed for children. Do not
 understand me wrong, but I am using Internet for 13 years and I know that
 news groups and lists have veeery looong tradition. Are there was times when
 even children uses them. Today we have the era of Web 2.0, but this does not
 mean that everything should be available by the the web. Personally forums
 are not my favourite way of discussion, they are fine for advetising. Mail
 lists are not ideal too, as often I receive lot of infomation I do not need
 - but in case of LyX it teach me a lot.

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple. And 
it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old 
(whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single human 
being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't care 
about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find it 
terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of intelligence/culture, I 
think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).


 
 Backing to the children subject, I want to tell you that I was a witness
 of specific change in the Internet itself in about 1999. In Poland that time
 new service from our national telecom operation become available - it
 allows to call to the internet by modem for the price of connection only. It
 was a revolution, beacause large number of people get wide access to the
 global village, mainly childrens. The level of discussion on medias like
 maillists and IRC quickly has gone very low. Today we - all veterans of
 Internet in Poland - call these people childrens of neostrada, as they
 still represent low level of discussion and culture. Nestrada - for you
 information - is the name of another service from national operator sold to
 France Telecom based on ADSL... I think this do not need more comment.
 


As a poor Włoski I don't know everything about this little people making noise 
in the internet, which is a serious thing. But perhaps you agree with this, 
although is not about the internet:

“Elegance, purity, measure, which were the principles of our art, had gradually 
surrended to the new style, simple and pretentious, adopted by this times of 
superficial talent. Brains that, for education and habits, can't think anything 
other than dresses, fashion, gossip, novel reading and moral corruption, have a 
hard time to feel more elaborate and less nervous pleasure of science and art.”

Don't feel offended, but I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why.
In my bare 33 years of age, I learned that I can learn from the poor, the 
uncultured, the younger. At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to 
be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain is 
not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible, 
choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the younger 
and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon. 
Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet is 
perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the internet 
(or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT 
uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where it 
will go.

 I miss that times before commercialized Internet.

How many of our parents miss the time when Internet didn't exist?
How many of our grandfathers missed the time before computers and electronics?
How many of our ancestors missed the time before the press, or before writing? 
And, of course, how many of our older brothers miss the time when LaTeX was 
just plain LaTeX without WYSIWYG crap?

I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last time I 
installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would have 
never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and now 
it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future. Full 
stop.
I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider 

LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello, 
I wonder why could not these discussions been moved to a forum.
I mean, the discussion list is great but is very hard to use for common users 
(I use GMANE for writing/browsing but I still receive daily updates in my 
mailbox).
A forum-like interface like Nabble would be much better but... why don't we use 
a normal forum site?
There's a LyX forum in LaTeX community but it's not as active as this 
discussion list; anyway I found that, as I did, other users posted something 
for this list in Nabble and then didn't get the answers because they didn't 
know Nabble don't post messages not posted directly there.
I think current (as past) LyX politic should be GO FOR THE AVERAGE USER, be 
simple and easy. Why LaTeX have a lot of forum sites, while LyX doesn't???
Lack of information or access to information is the worst (and senseless) way 
to discourage LyX users.
Thx
Piero





Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@... writes:

 Why is it hard to use? You sing the mailing list and then get the emails as 
described here:
 http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists
 The whole list is archived at various websites.
 

How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)? It's not me who says lists are 
difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.  

 I don't see an advantage. At forums I always have to log in before I can post 
and I have to open the 
 webpage to reply. That means I every time have to enable cookies in my 
browser, then enter my user 
 name and password and then write afterwards I have to delete my browser 
history and disable cookies. 
 With a mailing list I only have to subscribe once and get the emails whenever 
I want to. I can also 
 store important mails at my PC, forward messages, compose messages out of 
several other ones, CC and 
 BCC people,  All this is not possible with a forum.

It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies. I'm a Windows (95% of time) 
integrate internet user as millions more. I use cookies in my Xandros OS too. 
Integrate doesn't mean computer-pro. Sometimes it's opposite to pro.
Children use forums. They always had, because they are very, VERY simple. Lists 
are not that simple, comparing to forums (unless you care about cookies, which 
99% of people don't). Everything has its thumb up and down. I believe you that 
with lists you can do many things which a forum can't. But that's not the 
point. Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be ONLY 
for pro. Their worst difficoulty is to LEARN how it works (I spent some days 
puzzling and puzzling and sending messages to wrong addresses till I went to 
GMANE and used its forum-like interface)


 I think that LyX is one of the best documented projects and our user support 
is outstanding. When 
 you have a problem with LyX you'll usually get a solution within a day or 
two. So I'm interested why 
 you think LyX lacks information.

100% agree with you. I didn't want to say LyX lacks information. LyX 
information is GREAT and of 1st quality and fast and reliable and sincere. Just 
that if you can't have access to this information, it's value is ZERO, no 
matter why you didn't have access.
Let's say my name is Joe Average and I'm one of those 1000 potential LyX users 
who weekly crash in site. I use Windows and used MS Access at basic level once. 
I know something about html. I'm smart so I use OOo Writer with styles. I use 
the internet everyday. FULL STOP.
I found Lyx.org just because I read something, in a forum ;) of students. I try 
to use it and I get it working but that very day I get stuck trying to use some 
pics. Guide says I have to learn how to install it properly, and the basics of 
LaTeX. That's fair. Then I have to tweak something in the preamble. Ok. I have 
to change completely my Word-formatted mind. HARD, BUT I CAN. I just need some 
help, and LaTeX forums are not for LyXers and they're always with all that \$%. 
Then, they say me that I have to learn how to use a list (something I heard of 
at the beginning of the internet). I try once, twice. I give up lists. I give 
up LyX.
Hope will be better for next 999 users but I don't believe it.

Against common Scientific-pro based opinions, I think LyX strategy should be 
GO TO THE PEOPLE, to students, to humanists, to people who are not computer-
pros which are millions. They still have to learn something aboute code etc. 
but the LyX community should ban everything which could stay between them and 
LyX and of course between them and LyX information (and is not strictly 
needed). Lists are just one of these little annoying things. I didn't say we 
have to use Facebook or a social site or something like that. Just a simple, 
plain forum. In a modern forum you can use a lot of features, but you need 
cookies, of course ;) .
If the entire discussion moved there, everything would be better for new users.

Well this is my idea.
thanks for your opinion
Piero











Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Stefano Franchi fran...@... writes:

 Like Uwe, I am not quite sure I understand what's so difficult about lists. 
That 
 is, unless you are used to reading mail in a browser and never used a mail 
 client.

Of course I use a webclient (M$Hotmail, the worst ever, but who cares?) and 
everything ends up a mess.


 Lists have also many advantages, which Uwe summed up nicely. However, 
 I am also old enough to have used e-mail for years before browsing came into 
 existence, so what Piero is saying may just be a pointer to a generational 
 gap.
 

Good point. A gap. The most experienced (or advanced) Internet users are 
nowadays less than basic-traditional-computer users and only 1 on 100 of them 
used the internet in the mid 90s, where newsgroups and lists were the most 
advancede way to communicate, but this is ancient history. The same with the 
80s: advanced personal computers users and programmers knew nothing about basic 
electricity knoledge, which was the most advanced knoledge for their fathers. 
Who cared once? 
Nowadays the future is the advanced social networking, but the open community 
seems to be far less interested in it than companie$. This is absolutely the 
worst thing of the internet today. Glorious habits should evolve as everything 
else. What I lack most of LyX (and LaTeX)? Web-based environments, web-based 
bibliographies, web-based computing.. ok, we can't have EVERYTHING, but the 
various Google-Whatever are the best creatures of the net and this is the 
future, we all know it.

 The issue though, is that the great support Lyx provides is (mostly) in the 
 hands of a relatively small group of people who very generously share their 
 time and expertise---Uwe himself being perhaps the most active member of this 
 group. What they prefer is the law of lyx-land!

Without all of you I would be almost dead. Thank you with the entire lyxer 
heart.



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini


Hello once again.

I can't reply to all.
I can read with my eyes not even one of you agreed with any of my arguments 
(not speaking of the thesis). I only want to point out that many counter-
arguments where correct but quite off-topic, many where correct but weak, the 
most strong ones were based on misundestanding of what I wanted to express (my 
bad english being the 1st responsible, of course), the most deep were just 
opinions, while I found most interesting what Stefano said (sorry, he's the 
only fellow Italian) and when it pointed out the gap feeling.
I will not speak of FORA (I have no doubt that Rich after hearing a female 
choir performance always shout loud the italian word Brave! rather than 
Bravi, Brava or Bravo ;) ) cause this transcend. I will not get 
philosophical, or I'll try.
I'll reply to Manveru.

 Don't feel offended, but I think LyX was not designed for children. Do not
 understand me wrong, but I am using Internet for 13 years and I know that
 news groups and lists have veeery looong tradition. Are there was times when
 even children uses them. Today we have the era of Web 2.0, but this does not
 mean that everything should be available by the the web. Personally forums
 are not my favourite way of discussion, they are fine for advetising. Mail
 lists are not ideal too, as often I receive lot of infomation I do not need
 - but in case of LyX it teach me a lot.

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple. And 
it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old 
(whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single human 
being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't care 
about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find it 
terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of intelligence/culture, I 
think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).


 
 Backing to the children subject, I want to tell you that I was a witness
 of specific change in the Internet itself in about 1999. In Poland that time
 new service from our national telecom operation become available - it
 allows to call to the internet by modem for the price of connection only. It
 was a revolution, beacause large number of people get wide access to the
 global village, mainly childrens. The level of discussion on medias like
 maillists and IRC quickly has gone very low. Today we - all veterans of
 Internet in Poland - call these people childrens of neostrada, as they
 still represent low level of discussion and culture. Nestrada - for you
 information - is the name of another service from national operator sold to
 France Telecom based on ADSL... I think this do not need more comment.
 


As a poor Włoski I don't know everything about this little people making noise 
in the internet, which is a serious thing. But perhaps you agree with this, 
although is not about the internet:

“Elegance, purity, measure, which were the principles of our art, had gradually 
surrended to the new style, simple and pretentious, adopted by this times of 
superficial talent. Brains that, for education and habits, can't think anything 
other than dresses, fashion, gossip, novel reading and moral corruption, have a 
hard time to feel more elaborate and less nervous pleasure of science and art.”

Don't feel offended, but I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why.
In my bare 33 years of age, I learned that I can learn from the poor, the 
uncultured, the younger. At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to 
be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain is 
not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible, 
choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the younger 
and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon. 
Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet is 
perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the internet 
(or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT 
uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where it 
will go.

 I miss that times before commercialized Internet.

How many of our parents miss the time when Internet didn't exist?
How many of our grandfathers missed the time before computers and electronics?
How many of our ancestors missed the time before the press, or before writing? 
And, of course, how many of our older brothers miss the time when LaTeX was 
just plain LaTeX without WYSIWYG crap?

I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last time I 
installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would have 
never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and now 
it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future. Full 
stop.
I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider 

LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Hello, 
I wonder why could not these discussions been moved to a forum.
I mean, the discussion list is great but is very hard to use for common users 
(I use GMANE for writing/browsing but I still receive daily updates in my 
mailbox).
A forum-like interface like Nabble would be much better but... why don't we use 
a normal forum site?
There's a LyX forum in "LaTeX community" but it's not as active as this 
discussion list; anyway I found that, as I did, other users posted something 
for this list in Nabble and then didn't get the answers because they didn't 
know Nabble don't post messages not posted directly there.
I think current (as past) LyX politic should be GO FOR THE AVERAGE USER, be 
simple and easy. Why LaTeX have a lot of forum sites, while LyX doesn't???
Lack of information or access to information is the worst (and senseless) way 
to discourage LyX users.
Thx
Piero





Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Uwe Stöhr  writes:

> Why is it hard to use? You sing the mailing list and then get the emails as 
described here:
> http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists
> The whole list is archived at various websites.
> 

How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)? It's not me who says lists are 
difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.  

> I don't see an advantage. At forums I always have to log in before I can post 
and I have to open the 
> webpage to reply. That means I every time have to enable cookies in my 
browser, then enter my user 
> name and password and then write afterwards I have to delete my browser 
history and disable cookies. 
> With a mailing list I only have to subscribe once and get the emails whenever 
I want to. I can also 
> store important mails at my PC, forward messages, compose messages out of 
several other ones, CC and 
> BCC people,  All this is not possible with a forum.

It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies. I'm a Windows (95% of time) 
"integrate" internet user as millions more. I use cookies in my Xandros OS too. 
Integrate doesn't mean computer-pro. Sometimes it's opposite to pro.
Children use forums. They always had, because they are very, VERY simple. Lists 
are not that simple, comparing to forums (unless you care about cookies, which 
99% of people don't). Everything has its thumb up and down. I believe you that 
with lists you can do many things which a forum can't. But that's not the 
point. Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be ONLY 
for pro. Their worst difficoulty is to LEARN how it works (I spent some days 
puzzling and puzzling and sending messages to wrong addresses till I went to 
GMANE and used its forum-like interface)


> I think that LyX is one of the best documented projects and our user support 
is outstanding. When 
> you have a problem with LyX you'll usually get a solution within a day or 
two. So I'm interested why 
> you think LyX lacks information.

100% agree with you. I didn't want to say LyX lacks information. LyX 
information is GREAT and of 1st quality and fast and reliable and sincere. Just 
that if you can't have access to this information, it's value is ZERO, no 
matter why you didn't have access.
Let's say my name is Joe Average and I'm one of those 1000 potential LyX users 
who weekly crash in site. I use Windows and used MS Access at basic level once. 
I know something about html. I'm smart so I use OOo Writer with styles. I use 
the internet everyday. FULL STOP.
I found Lyx.org just because I read something, in a forum ;) of students. I try 
to use it and I get it working but that very day I get stuck trying to use some 
pics. Guide says I have to learn how to install it properly, and the basics of 
LaTeX. That's fair. Then I have to tweak something in the preamble. Ok. I have 
to change completely my Word-formatted mind. HARD, BUT I CAN. I just need some 
help, and LaTeX forums are not for LyXers and they're always with all that \$%. 
Then, they say me that I have to learn how to use a list (something I heard of 
at the beginning of the internet). I try once, twice. I give up lists. I give 
up LyX.
Hope will be better for next 999 users but I don't believe it.

Against common Scientific-pro based opinions, I think LyX strategy should be 
"GO TO THE PEOPLE", to students, to humanists, to people who are not computer-
pros which are millions. They still have to learn something aboute code etc. 
but the LyX community should ban everything which could stay between them and 
LyX and of course between them and LyX information (and is not strictly 
needed). Lists are just one of these little annoying things. I didn't say we 
have to use Facebook or a social site or something like that. Just a simple, 
plain forum. In a modern forum you can use a lot of features, but you need 
cookies, of course ;) .
If the entire discussion moved there, everything would be better for new users.

Well this is my idea.
thanks for your opinion
Piero











Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
Stefano Franchi  writes:

> Like Uwe, I am not quite sure I understand what's so difficult about lists. 
That 
> is, unless you are used to reading mail in a browser and never used a mail 
> client.

Of course I use a webclient (M$Hotmail, the worst ever, but who cares?) and 
everything ends up a mess.


 Lists have also many advantages, which Uwe summed up nicely. However, 
> I am also old enough to have used e-mail for years before browsing came into 
> existence, so what Piero is saying may just be a pointer to a generational 
> gap.
> 

Good point. A gap. The most experienced (or advanced) Internet users are 
nowadays less than basic-traditional-computer users and only 1 on 100 of them 
used the internet in the mid 90s, where newsgroups and lists were the most 
advancede way to communicate, but this is ancient history. The same with the 
80s: advanced personal computers users and programmers knew nothing about basic 
electricity knoledge, which was the most advanced knoledge for their fathers. 
Who cared once? 
Nowadays the future is the advanced social networking, but the "open" community 
seems to be far less interested in it than companie$. This is absolutely the 
worst thing of the internet today. Glorious habits should evolve as everything 
else. What I lack most of LyX (and LaTeX)? Web-based environments, web-based 
bibliographies, web-based computing.. ok, we can't have EVERYTHING, but the 
various Google-Whatever are the best creatures of the net and this is the 
future, we all know it.

> The issue though, is that the great support Lyx provides is (mostly) in the 
> hands of a relatively small group of people who very generously share their 
> time and expertise---Uwe himself being perhaps the most active member of this 
> group. What they prefer is the law of lyx-land!

Without all of you I would be almost dead. Thank you with the entire lyxer 
heart.



Re: LyX Forum?

2009-03-29 Thread Piero Faustini
>

Hello once again.

I can't reply to all.
I can read with my eyes not even one of you agreed with any of my arguments 
(not speaking of the thesis). I only want to point out that many counter-
arguments where correct but quite off-topic, many where correct but weak, the 
most strong ones were based on misundestanding of what I wanted to express (my 
bad english being the 1st responsible, of course), the most deep were just 
opinions, while I found most interesting what Stefano said (sorry, he's the 
only fellow Italian) and when it pointed out the "gap" feeling.
I will not speak of FORA (I have no doubt that Rich after hearing a female 
choir performance always shout loud the italian word "Brave!" rather than 
"Bravi", "Brava" or "Bravo" ;) ) cause this transcend. I will not get 
philosophical, or I'll try.
I'll reply to Manveru.

> Don't feel offended, but I think LyX was not designed for children. Do not
> understand me wrong, but I am using Internet for 13 years and I know that
> news groups and lists have veeery looong tradition. Are there was times when
> even children uses them. Today we have the era of Web 2.0, but this does not
> mean that everything should be available by the the web. Personally forums
> are not my favourite way of discussion, they are fine for advetising. Mail
> lists are not ideal too, as often I receive lot of infomation I do not need
> - but in case of LyX it teach me a lot.

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple. And 
it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old 
(whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single human 
being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't care 
about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find it 
terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of intelligence/culture, I 
think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).


> 
> Backing to the "children" subject, I want to tell you that I was a witness
> of specific change in the Internet itself in about 1999. In Poland that time
> new service from our "national" telecom operation become available - it
> allows to call to the internet by modem for the price of connection only. It
> was a revolution, beacause large number of people get wide access to "the
> global village", mainly childrens. The level of discussion on medias like
> maillists and IRC quickly has gone very low. Today we - all veterans of
> Internet in Poland - call these people "childrens of neostrada", as they
> still represent low level of discussion and culture. Nestrada - for you
> information - is the name of another service from "national operator sold to
> France Telecom" based on ADSL... I think this do not need more comment.
> 


As a poor Włoski I don't know everything about this little people making noise 
in the internet, which is a serious thing. But perhaps you agree with this, 
although is not about the internet:

“Elegance, purity, measure, which were the principles of our art, had gradually 
surrended to the new style, simple and pretentious, adopted by this times of 
superficial talent. Brains that, for education and habits, can't think anything 
other than dresses, fashion, gossip, novel reading and moral corruption, have a 
hard time to feel more elaborate and less nervous pleasure of science and art.”

Don't feel offended, but I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why.
In my bare 33 years of age, I learned that I can learn from the poor, the 
uncultured, the younger. At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to 
be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain is 
not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible, 
choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the younger 
and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon. 
Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet is 
perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the internet 
(or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT 
uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where it 
will go.

> I miss that times before commercialized Internet.

How many of our parents miss the time when Internet didn't exist?
How many of our grandfathers missed the time before computers and electronics?
How many of our ancestors missed the time before the press, or before writing? 
And, of course, how many of our older brothers miss the time when LaTeX was 
just plain LaTeX without WYSIWYG crap?

I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last time I 
installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would have 
never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and now 
it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future. Full 
stop.
I only can tell you that you 

Re: rotating package and float sideways tables

2009-03-27 Thread Piero Faustini
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@... writes:

 I just run update MiKTeX's update and can still successfully compile the 
EmbeddedObjects manual. Can 
 you just run MiKTeX's update again on your machine and the restart LyX?
 If this doesn't help, can you please send me an example LyX file?

You're right, it isn't a problem of sideways float, only with  the \sideways 
command introduced by the rotate table/cell checkboxes, which worked just 
perfect beofre my MikTeX update. 99% sure the problem is the rotating package, 
but I still didn't try to restore the old version.
here's how I reproduce it:
make a new doc: enter a 2x2 table and apply the rotate table by 90° option in 
the table options, or just a rotate cell and try to compile:

The dialog tells me:
A box was supposed to be here.
 \begin{sideways}
 
I was expecting to see \hbox or \vbox or \copy or \box or
something like that. So you might find something missing in
your output. But keep trying; you can fix this later.

If you can't reproduce the error, tell me please.
Thanks
Piero





Re: rotating package and float sideways tables

2009-03-27 Thread Piero Faustini
Florian Rubach florian.rub...@... writes:

 
 Confirmed here, on both 1.6.2 and 1.6.3svn. Everything was fine before 
 updating the rotating-package by MiKTeX's update wizard, afterwards it 
 produces the error described above.
 

I still use 1.6.1





Re: rotating package and float sideways tables

2009-03-27 Thread Piero Faustini
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@... writes:

 I just run update MiKTeX's update and can still successfully compile the 
EmbeddedObjects manual. Can 
 you just run MiKTeX's update again on your machine and the restart LyX?
 If this doesn't help, can you please send me an example LyX file?

You're right, it isn't a problem of sideways float, only with  the \sideways 
command introduced by the rotate table/cell checkboxes, which worked just 
perfect beofre my MikTeX update. 99% sure the problem is the rotating package, 
but I still didn't try to restore the old version.
here's how I reproduce it:
make a new doc: enter a 2x2 table and apply the rotate table by 90° option in 
the table options, or just a rotate cell and try to compile:

The dialog tells me:
A box was supposed to be here.
 \begin{sideways}
 
I was expecting to see \hbox or \vbox or \copy or \box or
something like that. So you might find something missing in
your output. But keep trying; you can fix this later.

If you can't reproduce the error, tell me please.
Thanks
Piero





Re: rotating package and float sideways tables

2009-03-27 Thread Piero Faustini
Florian Rubach florian.rub...@... writes:

 
 Confirmed here, on both 1.6.2 and 1.6.3svn. Everything was fine before 
 updating the rotating-package by MiKTeX's update wizard, afterwards it 
 produces the error described above.
 

I still use 1.6.1





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