Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi Petr, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote: Hi Petr, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter Hi Peter, I try to fix these if you could send me 1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters 2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools Error Console) Thanks Petr
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi Petr, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote: Hi Petr, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter Hi Peter, I try to fix these if you could send me 1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters 2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools Error Console) Thanks Petr
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi Petr, > I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new > functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter > The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, > including complete change of format, LyX document is updated > accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected > in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that > would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to > implement... > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 > Best > Petr > >
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote: Hi Petr, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a .bib file from zotero. But I have some problems: 1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly. 2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? Peter Hi Peter, I try to fix these if you could send me 1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters 2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools> Error Console) Thanks Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not have a year and the venue is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors. Thanks and happy new year. --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM Hi, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not have a year and the venue is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel Hi Daniel, I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :) Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think about more advanced customization soon. As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary? Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments (actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary. Best Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not have a year and the venue is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors. Thanks and happy new year. --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM Hi, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not have a year and the venue is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel Hi Daniel, I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :) Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think about more advanced customization soon. As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary? Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments (actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary. Best Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific "home grown" requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: :: (with being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a ; URLs do not have a year and the is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be "minimally invasive" on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors. Thanks and happy new year. --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote: > From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> > Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM > Hi, > I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far > as new functionality goes. > The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex > keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is > updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is > incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into > LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, > but since it was quite straightforward to implement... > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 > Best > Petr > > __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: > I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new > functionality goes. > The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including > complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is > useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted > as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but > since it was quite straightforward to implement... > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. Hey Petr, Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give it another try. I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex databases and specific "home grown" requirements on how the keys are made up. For instance, in our group this is: :: (with being an abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.) In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right. Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and conditionals, such as: - number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year) - upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools support this) - conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a ; URLs do not have a year and the is 'site') - ... Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends fail miserably is the requirement to be "minimally invasive" on the bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database with a text editor. What I expect from a good frontend is that it leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in the current session, including formatting, LaTeX comment lines beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry. Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-) Daniel Hi Daniel, I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :) Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think about more advanced customization soon. As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary? Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments (actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary. Best Petr
LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr
LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr
LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
Hi, I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new functionality goes. The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to implement... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806 Best Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Progress report. It Works! After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept getting compile errors. Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was working perfectly. Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums Thanks for a great application. --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr Hello, I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero. Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Progress report. It Works! After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept getting compile errors. Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was working perfectly. Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums Thanks for a great application. --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr Hello, I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero. Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Progress report. It Works! After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept getting compile errors. Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was working perfectly. Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums Thanks for a great application. --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote: > From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> > Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM > On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon > wrote: > > Hello, > > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that > does little more than just inserting citations to LyX > documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to > improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help > of Lytero code). Hence the new name. > > > > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: > > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added > articles to Zotero > > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database > > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file > every time I close Zotero or LyX > > 4. custom keys > > > > Hope others will find it useful. > > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the > installation file. > > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It > seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and > some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any > problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. > > > > Petr > > > > > Hello, > I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new > functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any > changes made in Zotero. > Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking > about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons > why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them > readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with > Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this > cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is > possible). > Petr > __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from customizable keys why to remove it. I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert into news section of lyx main page. just let us now. pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't have Mac and I don't know a thing about it. if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know if some problem occcurs :) btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from customizable keys why to remove it. I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert into news section of lyx main page. just let us now. pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't have Mac and I don't know a thing about it. if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know if some problem occcurs :) btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: > Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing > this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are > important? having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from customizable keys why to remove it. >I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side > by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this > cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert into news section of lyx main page. just let us now. pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Petr Šimon wrote: > Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and > optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' > that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db. yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases - * users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way. * users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to be intelligent about the keys certainly in order. > I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word > and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works > rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't > have Mac and I don't know a thing about it. if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know if some problem occcurs :) btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no? pavel
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is even Internet Explorer ! I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. Any suggestions? --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
, government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most writers do not. Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing. There are literally thousands of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing. First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article in different areas. For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of the research and in a medical journal for another part. The citation and referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing. I hope this is of some help. --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Hi Petr, I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the Reference Management Software best suited to you? What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies? Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy to look :) ). Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix that one bug. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the reader The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. rh
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the reader The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: From: rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument I knew those artsies had an easy life. Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an essay on Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the authorities nowadays... Andre'
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr Hello, I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero. Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is even Internet Explorer ! I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. Any suggestions? --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote: From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
, government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most writers do not. Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing. There are literally thousands of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing. First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article in different areas. For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of the research and in a medical journal for another part. The citation and referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing. I hope this is of some help. --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Hi Petr, I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the Reference Management Software best suited to you? What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies? Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy to look :) ). Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix that one bug. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the reader The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. rh
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the reader The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: From: rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument I knew those artsies had an easy life. Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an essay on Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument. Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the authorities nowadays... Andre'
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr Hello, I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero. Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is even Internet Explorer ! I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. Any suggestions? --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote: > From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> > Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM > Hello, > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does > little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. > It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but > ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero > code). Hence the new name. > > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles > to Zotero > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every > time I close Zotero or LyX > 4. custom keys > > Hope others will find it useful. > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for > details and the installation file. > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems > to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some > improvement will follow. Please let me know about any > problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. > > Petr > > __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
oups, law offices, government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most writers do not. Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing. There are literally thousands of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing. First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article in different areas. For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of the research and in a medical journal for another part. The citation and referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing. I hope this is of some help. --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > From: Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> > Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM > On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 > Petr Šimon wrote: > > Hello, > > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that > does little more > > than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's > been inspired by > > Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up > starting from scratch > > (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. > > > > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: > > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added > articles to Zotero > > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database > > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file > every time I close > > Zotero or LyX > > 4. custom keys > > > > Hope others will find it useful. > > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the > > installation file. > > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It > seems to be working > > quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement > will follow. > > Please let me know about any problems you encounter > and > > comments/improvement ideas. > > Hi Petr, > > I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in > a couple books, > but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me > (and I'm probably not > the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference > Management > Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you > look for in the > Reference Management Software best suited to you? > > What's the difference between citations, references and > bibliographies? > > Assuming citations are individual elements of > bibliographies, could you please > explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier > than doing it with > bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? > > Also, your website has this line: "When you try to add > already existing BibTeX > database to a new document, you will be warned that you are > about to overwrite > the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not > really going to be > overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t > know how to remove (lazy > to look :) )." > > Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but > this is a particularly > nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to > use your software, > or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite > warnings, even when > it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest > you find and fix > that one bug. > > Thanks > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Recession Relief Package > http://www.recession-relief.US > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the reader The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography on Descartes's version of the ontological argument". rh
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 rgheckwrote: > On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote: > > > > I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are > > reference lists plus. A reference list only contains the > > references cited in the text. Bibliographies, I believe, do this > > and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed > > in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the > > reader > > > > > The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it > can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX > and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography > if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources > on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography > on Descartes's version of the ontological argument". Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). > > rh > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck <rgh...@bobjweil.com> wrote: > From: rgheck <rgh...@bobjweil.com> > Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero > > > The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. > One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's > what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited > sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean > something like a collection of sources on some topic, such > as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography on > Descartes's version of the ontological argument" I knew those artsies had an easy life. Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an essay on "Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device" __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500 > rgheckwrote: > > The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it > > can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX > > and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography > > if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources > > on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography > > on Descartes's version of the ontological argument". > > Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-). He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the authorities nowadays... Andre'
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr Hello, I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero. Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible). Petr
LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Hi Petr, I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the Reference Management Software best suited to you? What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies? Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy to look :) ). Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix that one bug. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote: Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Hi Petr, I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the Reference Management Software best suited to you? What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies? Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy to look :) ). Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix that one bug. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
Hello, I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close Zotero or LyX 4. custom keys Hope others will find it useful. Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the installation file. I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas. Petr
Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote: > Hello, > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more > than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by > Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch > (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name. > > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was: > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close > Zotero or LyX > 4. custom keys > > Hope others will find it useful. > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the > installation file. > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working > quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. > Please let me know about any problems you encounter and > comments/improvement ideas. Hi Petr, I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the Reference Management Software best suited to you? What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies? Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX? Also, your website has this line: "When you try to add already existing BibTeX database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy to look :) )." Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix that one bug. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt