Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Peter Baumgartner]

Hi Petr,

 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
 functionality goes.

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. 

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? 

Peter



 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
 including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
 accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
 in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
 would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
 implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
 Best
 Petr
 
 

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote:

Hi Petr,

   

I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new
functionality goes.
 

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me.

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems?

Peter
   

Hi Peter,
I try to fix these if you could send me
1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I 
tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters

2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools Error Console)
Thanks
Petr

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Peter Baumgartner]

Hi Petr,

 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
 functionality goes.

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. 

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? 

Peter



 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
 including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
 accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
 in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
 would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
 implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
 Best
 Petr
 
 

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote:

Hi Petr,

   

I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new
functionality goes.
 

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me.

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems?

Peter
   

Hi Peter,
I try to fix these if you could send me
1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I 
tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters

2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools Error Console)
Thanks
Petr

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Peter Baumgartner]

Hi Petr,

> I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
> functionality goes.

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me. 

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems? 

Peter



> The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
> including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
> accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
> in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
> would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
> implement...
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
> Best
> Petr
> 
> 

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 6.1.2010 6:30, Peter Baumgartner wrote:

Hi Petr,

   

I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new
functionality goes.
 

Sounds great! I was always looking to prevent this extra export of data into a
.bib file from zotero.

But I have some problems:
1. The plugin does not export special characters like German umlaute correctly.
2. Deleting and renaming of bib and lyx-record does not work for me.

I'm working with a Mac. Maybe this explains the problems?

Peter
   

Hi Peter,
I try to fix these if you could send me
1. the references exported to bibtex (either from Lyz or Zotero). I 
tried with some German, but probably I am missed some characters

2. any error in the error console (Firefox menu Tools> Error Console)
Thanks
Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year',  
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword,  
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally  
push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID  
is the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for  
those
 the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting  
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for  
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it  
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give  
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation  
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex  
databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are  
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
 author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an  
abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument  
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of  
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an  
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the  
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and  
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools  
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not  
have a year and the venue is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends  
fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the  
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database  
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it  
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in  
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines  
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or  
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the  
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only  
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors.

Thanks and happy new year.

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM
 Hi,
 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far
 as new functionality goes.
 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex
 keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is
 updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is
 incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into
 LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often,
 but since it was quite straightforward to implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
 Best
 Petr
 
 


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Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
 functionality goes.
 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including 
 complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is 
 useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted 
 as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but 
 since it was quite straightforward to implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806

so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right?
pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote:


On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is 
the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for 
those
 the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting 
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for 
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it 
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give 
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation 
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex 
databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are 
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation 
for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument 
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of 
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an 
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the 
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and 
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools 
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not 
have a year and the venue is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends 
fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the 
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database 
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it 
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in 
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines 
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or 
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the 
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only 
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel



Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :)
Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think 
about more advanced customization soon.
As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I 
have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did 
I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were 
easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. 
In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary?
Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using 
this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update 
the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments 
(actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the 
bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary.

Best
Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year',  
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword,  
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally  
push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID  
is the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for  
those
 the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting  
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for  
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it  
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give  
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation  
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex  
databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are  
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
 author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an  
abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument  
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of  
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an  
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the  
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and  
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools  
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not  
have a year and the venue is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends  
fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the  
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database  
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it  
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in  
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines  
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or  
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the  
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only  
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors.

Thanks and happy new year.

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM
 Hi,
 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far
 as new functionality goes.
 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex
 keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is
 updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is
 incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into
 LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often,
 but since it was quite straightforward to implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
 Best
 Petr
 
 


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Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
 functionality goes.
 The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including 
 complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is 
 useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted 
 as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but 
 since it was quite straightforward to implement...
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806

so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right?
pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote:


On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is 
the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for 
those
 the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting 
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for 
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it 
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give 
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation 
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex 
databases and specific home grown requirements on how the keys are 
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
author:two-digit-year:venue (with venue being an abbreviation 
for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument 
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of 
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an 
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the 
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and 
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools 
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a venue; URLs do not 
have a year and the venue is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends 
fail miserably is the requirement to be minimally invasive on the 
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database 
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it 
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in 
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines 
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or 
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the 
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only 
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel



Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :)
Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think 
about more advanced customization soon.
As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I 
have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did 
I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were 
easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. 
In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary?
Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using 
this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update 
the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments 
(actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the 
bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary.

Best
Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year',  
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword,  
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally  
push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID  
is the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for  
those
 the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting  
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for  
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it  
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give  
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation  
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex  
databases and specific "home grown" requirements on how the keys are  
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
 :: (with  being an  
abbreviation for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument  
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of  
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an  
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the  
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and  
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools  
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a ; URLs do not  
have a year and the  is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends  
fail miserably is the requirement to be "minimally invasive" on the  
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database  
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it  
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in  
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines  
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or  
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the  
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only  
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel

Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds excellent, especially as it looks like I have a Zotero errors.

Thanks and happy new year.

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote:

> From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk>
> Subject: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:59 PM
> Hi,
> I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far
> as new functionality goes.
> The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex
> keys, including complete change of format, LyX document is
> updated accordingly. This is useful when the reference is
> incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted as such into
> LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often,
> but since it was quite straightforward to implement...
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
> Best
> Petr
> 
> 


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Re: LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
> I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
> functionality goes.
> The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, including 
> complete change of format, LyX document is updated accordingly. This is 
> useful when the reference is incorrectly collected in Zotero and inserted 
> as such into LyX. Probably not something that would happen that often, but 
> since it was quite straightforward to implement...
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806

so mature enough to put it into lyx news, right?
pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 3.1.2010 0:38, Daniel Lohmann wrote:


On 30.12.2009, at 01:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Petr Šimon wrote:
Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 
'title' and
optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 
'zotero'

that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.


yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
 citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is 
the way.


* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for 
those
 the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting 
users to

 be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.



Hey Petr,

Thanks for all the hard work on LyZ. I haven't checked out Zotero for 
a while; liked it a lot, but the integration with LyX was odd and it 
tended to corrupt my bibtex databases. However, with LyZ I will give 
it another try.


I just want to put emphasize the importance of customizable citation 
keys! Many of us work in collaborative environments with shared bibtex 
databases and specific "home grown" requirements on how the keys are 
made up. For instance, in our group this is:
:: (with  being an abbreviation 
for the conference or journal the paper appeared.)
In fact, in my group this it has always been the number one argument 
against bibtex frontend XYZ that it does not get the keys right.


Having said that, I would appreciate an even better configurability of 
the key generation. What I would really like is the option to enter an 
advanced formatting string to generate the keys, including besides the 
variables for author, year, etc. various formatting specifiers and 
conditionals, such as:

- number of digits (e.g., use only the two last digits of the year)
- upper case/lower vase (very important, unfortunately very few tools 
support this)
- conditionals (e.g., @book entries do not have a ; URLs do not 
have a year and the  is 'site')

- ...

Another important point in which most, if not all, bibtex frontends 
fail miserably is the requirement to be "minimally invasive" on the 
bibtex database. Some collaborators still prefer editing the database 
with a text editor. What I expect from  a good frontend is that it 
leaves all entries alone in the file that have not been modified in 
the current session,  including formatting, LaTeX comment lines 
beginning with %, and so on. Basically, if I use your tool to add or 
edit an entry 'foobar' and update the bibtex file underneath, the the 
diff to the previous version of the bibtex file should contain only 
lines that are related to the 'foobar' entry.


Just my 2 items on the long-term wish list :-)

Daniel



Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you said a 'long-term wish list' :)
Bibtex keys are now independent of unique identifiers. I will think 
about more advanced customization soon.
As for the bibtex file update and the 'invasiveness of frontends': I 
have been exporting from Zotero to bibtex for a while now and rarely did 
I have any problems, except for couple of weird characters that were 
easily corrected in Zotero. I would rather patch Zotero's bibtex export. 
In what cases would manual editing of the bibtex file be necessary?
Important point is that when you are collaborating with others and using 
this plugin, only people citing from Zotero should be allowed to update 
the file, because I am using the true identifiers in bibtex comments 
(actually anywhere oustide of @ and } ) and I don't care about the 
bibtex entries at all, except that I replace the bibtex key when necessary.

Best
Petr

LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hi,
I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
functionality goes.
The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
implement...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
Best
Petr

LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hi,
I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
functionality goes.
The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
implement...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
Best
Petr

LyZ: Lyx plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hi,
I have (probably) finished the plugin, i.e. at least as far as new 
functionality goes.
The plugin is now able to synchronize any changes to BibTex keys, 
including complete change of format, LyX document is updated 
accordingly. This is useful when the reference is incorrectly collected 
in Zotero and inserted as such into LyX. Probably not something that 
would happen that often, but since it was quite straightforward to 
implement...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/56806
Best
Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

Progress report. It Works! 

 After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept 
getting compile errors.  Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was 
working perfectly. 

Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number 
entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums

Thanks for a great application.

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM
 On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon
 wrote:
  Hello,
  I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
 does little more than just inserting citations to LyX
 documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to
 improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help
 of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
  
  My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
  1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
 articles to Zotero
  2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
  3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
 every time I close Zotero or LyX
  4. custom keys
  
  Hope others will find it useful.
  Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
 installation file.
  I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
 seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and
 some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
 problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
  
  Petr
  
  
 Hello,
 I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new
 functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any
 changes made in Zotero.
 Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking
 about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons
 why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them
 readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with
 Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this
 cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is
 possible).
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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

Progress report. It Works! 

 After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept 
getting compile errors.  Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was 
working perfectly. 

Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number 
entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums

Thanks for a great application.

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM
 On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon
 wrote:
  Hello,
  I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
 does little more than just inserting citations to LyX
 documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to
 improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help
 of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
  
  My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
  1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
 articles to Zotero
  2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
  3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
 every time I close Zotero or LyX
  4. custom keys
  
  Hope others will find it useful.
  Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
 installation file.
  I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
 seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and
 some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
 problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
  
  Petr
  
  
 Hello,
 I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new
 functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any
 changes made in Zotero.
 Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking
 about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons
 why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them
 readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with
 Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this
 cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is
 possible).
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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

Progress report. It Works! 

 After much misreading and mistyping of pipe names I got LyZ to work but kept 
getting compile errors.  Much bad language later I realised that LyZ was 
working perfectly. 

Either I or Zotero seems to be inserting weird characters into the page number 
entering †instead of - in some cases. So on to the Zotero forums

Thanks for a great application.

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote:

> From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk>
> Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:29 AM
> On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
> does little more than just inserting citations to LyX
> documents. It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to
> improve, but ended up starting from scratch (with some help
> of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
> > 
> > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
> > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
> articles to Zotero
> > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
> > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
> every time I close Zotero or LyX
> > 4. custom keys
> > 
> > Hope others will find it useful.
> > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
> installation file.
> > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
> seems to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and
> some improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
> problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
> > 
> > Petr
> > 
> > 
> Hello,
> I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new
> functionality. It can now update the bibtex file with any
> changes made in Zotero.
> Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking
> about removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons
> why custom cite keys are important? I want to keep them
> readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side by side with
> Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this
> cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is
> possible).
> Petr
>



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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing 
 this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are 
 important?

having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex
file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if
this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from 
customizable keys why to remove it.

I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side 
 by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this 
 cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert
into news section of lyx main page. just let us now.

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and 
 optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' 
 that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.

yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
  citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way.

* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those
  the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to
  be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.

 I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word 
 and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works 
 rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't 
 have Mac and I don't know a thing about it.

if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know
if some problem occcurs :)

btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question
about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that
deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no?

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing 
 this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are 
 important?

having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex
file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if
this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from 
customizable keys why to remove it.

I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side 
 by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this 
 cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert
into news section of lyx main page. just let us now.

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
 Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and 
 optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' 
 that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.

yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
  citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way.

* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those
  the customizable citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to
  be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.

 I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word 
 and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works 
 rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't 
 have Mac and I don't know a thing about it.

if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know
if some problem occcurs :)

btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question
about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that
deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no?

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
> Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about removing 
> this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite keys are 
> important?

having reasonable citekeys is good once you do final polishing of exported tex
file and also good for orientation in lyx citation dialog. i didn't get if
this pose problem for the features below. in case no problem arise from 
customizable keys why to remove it.

>I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can be used side 
> by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, because this 
> cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

once you feel like having stable version i wouldn't mind putting some advert
into news section of lyx main page. just let us now.

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Pavel Sanda]

Petr Šimon wrote:
> Currently the citation key can be made out of 'author', 'year', 'title' and 
> optionally from separators like '_'. I will add another keyword, 'zotero' 
> that will create the cite key from unique identifier in zotero db.

yep, this was the main complaint in bug #6300. i expect two usecases -

* users who dont care a about citekeys and just want to externally push
  citations and need to keep bitex keys stable. for these zotero ID is the way.

* users who care about keys and need the stable bibtex keys too. for those
  the "customizable" citekey is the way. in this case is expecting users to
  be intelligent about the keys certainly in order.

> I have already published the plugin at Firefox addons, to spread the word 
> and get more tests done. I am using it on windows and linux and it works 
> rather smoothly. However it does seem to work on Mac. Unfortunately I don't 
> have Mac and I don't know a thing about it.

if there is contact on the addon page i'm sure they will make you know
if some problem occcurs :)

btw i searched through the web for the zotero/lytero/lyz and found your question
about omitting the mozilla dialog about overwriting file. just occured me that
deleting the file beforehead would do the job, no?

pavel

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems 
yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is 
even Internet Explorer !   I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. 
 

Any suggestions?


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM
 Hello,
 I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does
 little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents.
 It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but
 ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero
 code). Hence the new name.
 
 My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles
 to Zotero
 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every
 time I close Zotero or LyX
 4. custom keys
 
 Hope others will find it useful.
 Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for
 details and the installation file.
 I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems
 to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some
 improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
 problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
 
 Petr
 
 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

, 
government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most 
writers do not.

Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the 
citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the 
journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing.  There are literally thousands 
of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some 
are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing.  
First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the 
audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style 
to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article 
in different areas.  

For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of 
the research and in a medical journal for another part.  The citation and 
referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 
10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much 
consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing.  

I hope this is of some help.

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM
 On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04
 Petr Šimon wrote:
  Hello,
  I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
 does little more
  than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's
 been inspired by
  Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up
 starting from scratch
  (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
  
  My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
  1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
 articles to Zotero
  2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
  3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
 every time I close
  Zotero or LyX
  4. custom keys
  
  Hope others will find it useful.
  Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
  installation file.
  I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
 seems to be working
  quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement
 will follow.
  Please let me know about any problems you encounter
 and
  comments/improvement ideas.
 
 Hi Petr,
 
 I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in
 a couple books, 
 but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me
 (and I'm probably not 
 the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference
 Management 
 Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you
 look for in the 
 Reference Management Software best suited to you?
 
 What's the difference between citations, references and
 bibliographies?
 
 Assuming citations are individual elements of
 bibliographies, could you please 
 explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier
 than doing it with 
 bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?
 
 Also, your website has this line: When you try to add
 already existing BibTeX 
 database to a new document, you will be warned that you are
 about to overwrite 
 the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not
 really going to be 
 overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t
 know how to remove (lazy 
 to look :) ).
 
 Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but
 this is a particularly 
 nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to
 use your software, 
 or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite
 warnings, even when 
 it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest
 you find and fix 
 that one bug.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[rgheck]

On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:


I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference 
lists plus.  A reference list only contains the references cited in the text.  
Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials 
not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or 
interesting to the reader

   
The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and 
LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you 
wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some 
topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on 
Descartes's version of the ontological argument.


rh

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
 
  I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
  reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
  references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
  and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
  in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
  reader
 
 
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
 can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
 and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
 if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
 on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
 on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



 
 rh
 
 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 From: rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

     
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things.
 One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's
 what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited
 sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean
 something like a collection of sources on some topic, such
 as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on
 Descartes's version of the ontological argument

I knew those artsies had an easy life.  

Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an 
essay on Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device





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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Andre Poenitz]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:
  The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
  can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
  and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
  if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
  on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
  on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.
 
 Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).

He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the
authorities nowadays...

Andre'

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote:

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be 
working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will 
follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr



Hello,
I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It 
can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero.
Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about 
removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite 
keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can 
be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, 
because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems 
yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is 
even Internet Explorer !   I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. 
 

Any suggestions?


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk wrote:

 From: Petr Šimon 089021...@polyu.edu.hk
 Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM
 Hello,
 I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does
 little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents.
 It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but
 ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero
 code). Hence the new name.
 
 My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles
 to Zotero
 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every
 time I close Zotero or LyX
 4. custom keys
 
 Hope others will find it useful.
 Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for
 details and the installation file.
 I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems
 to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some
 improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
 problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
 
 Petr
 
 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

, 
government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most 
writers do not.

Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the 
citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the 
journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing.  There are literally thousands 
of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some 
are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing.  
First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the 
audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style 
to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article 
in different areas.  

For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of 
the research and in a medical journal for another part.  The citation and 
referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 
10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much 
consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing.  

I hope this is of some help.

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM
 On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04
 Petr Šimon wrote:
  Hello,
  I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
 does little more
  than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's
 been inspired by
  Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up
 starting from scratch
  (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
  
  My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
  1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
 articles to Zotero
  2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
  3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
 every time I close
  Zotero or LyX
  4. custom keys
  
  Hope others will find it useful.
  Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
  installation file.
  I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
 seems to be working
  quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement
 will follow.
  Please let me know about any problems you encounter
 and
  comments/improvement ideas.
 
 Hi Petr,
 
 I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in
 a couple books, 
 but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me
 (and I'm probably not 
 the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference
 Management 
 Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you
 look for in the 
 Reference Management Software best suited to you?
 
 What's the difference between citations, references and
 bibliographies?
 
 Assuming citations are individual elements of
 bibliographies, could you please 
 explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier
 than doing it with 
 bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?
 
 Also, your website has this line: When you try to add
 already existing BibTeX 
 database to a new document, you will be warned that you are
 about to overwrite 
 the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not
 really going to be 
 overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t
 know how to remove (lazy 
 to look :) ).
 
 Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but
 this is a particularly 
 nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to
 use your software, 
 or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite
 warnings, even when 
 it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest
 you find and fix 
 that one bug.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[rgheck]

On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:


I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference 
lists plus.  A reference list only contains the references cited in the text.  
Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials 
not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or 
interesting to the reader

   
The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and 
LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you 
wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some 
topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on 
Descartes's version of the ontological argument.


rh

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
 
  I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
  reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
  references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
  and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
  in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
  reader
 
 
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
 can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
 and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
 if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
 on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
 on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



 
 rh
 
 


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Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 From: rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com
 Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

     
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things.
 One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's
 what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited
 sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean
 something like a collection of sources on some topic, such
 as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography on
 Descartes's version of the ontological argument

I knew those artsies had an easy life.  

Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an 
essay on Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device





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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Andre Poenitz]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:
  The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
  can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
  and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
  if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
  on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
  on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.
 
 Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).

He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the
authorities nowadays...

Andre'

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote:

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be 
working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will 
follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr



Hello,
I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It 
can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero.
Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about 
removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite 
keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can 
be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, 
because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

This sounds great since I had just posted a message about Zotero Lyx problems 
yestersay but Firefox is refusing to let me connect to the web page. Nor is 
even Internet Explorer !   I'm getting warnings about the security certificate. 
 

Any suggestions?


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk> wrote:

> From: Petr Šimon <089021...@polyu.edu.hk>
> Subject: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:26 AM
> Hello,
> I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does
> little more than just inserting citations to LyX documents.
> It's been inspired by Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but
> ended up starting from scratch (with some help of Lytero
> code). Hence the new name.
> 
> My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
> 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles
> to Zotero
> 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
> 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every
> time I close Zotero or LyX
> 4. custom keys
> 
> Hope others will find it useful.
> Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for
> details and the installation file.
> I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems
> to be working quite smoothly, but more testing and some
> improvement will follow. Please let me know about any
> problems you encounter and comments/improvement ideas.
> 
> Petr
> 
> 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

oups, law offices, 
government depts) have professional librarians to help with this but most 
writers do not.

Something that Zotero does as does BibTex is automatically format the 
citations, references/bibliography entries in the accepted format for the 
journal/book/ audience for whom you are writing.  There are literally thousands 
of different formats out there and while some may be trivially different some 
are very, very different, say Chicago Manual of Style vs legal referencing.  
First of all one wants to be able to reference in the appropriate style for the 
audience and then, one also wants to be able to easily convert from one style 
to another if one is using the same set of references in more than one article 
in different areas.  

For example one might want to publish in a psychological journal for part of 
the research and in a medical journal for another part.  The citation and 
referencing styles BibTex or Zotero to manage the styles a change takes perhaps 
10-15 seconds. Done manually this could take hours or days, with much 
consulting of style manuals and heavy cursing.  

I hope this is of some help.

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com>
> Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:51 AM
> On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04
> Petr Šimon wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that
> does little more
> > than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's
> been inspired by
> > Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up
> starting from scratch
> > (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
> > 
> > My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
> > 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added
> articles to Zotero
> > 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
> > 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file
> every time I close
> > Zotero or LyX
> > 4. custom keys
> > 
> > Hope others will find it useful.
> > Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
> > installation file.
> > I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It
> seems to be working
> > quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement
> will follow.
> > Please let me know about any problems you encounter
> and
> > comments/improvement ideas.
> 
> Hi Petr,
> 
> I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in
> a couple books, 
> but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me
> (and I'm probably not 
> the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference
> Management 
> Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you
> look for in the 
> Reference Management Software best suited to you?
> 
> What's the difference between citations, references and
> bibliographies?
> 
> Assuming citations are individual elements of
> bibliographies, could you please 
> explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier
> than doing it with 
> bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?
> 
> Also, your website has this line: "When you try to add
> already existing BibTeX 
> database to a new document, you will be warned that you are
> about to overwrite 
> the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not
> really going to be 
> overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t
> know how to remove (lazy 
> to look :) )."
> 
> Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but
> this is a particularly 
> nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to
> use your software, 
> or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite
> warnings, even when 
> it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest
> you find and fix 
> that one bug.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
> 
> 


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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[rgheck]

On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:


I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are reference 
lists plus.  A reference list only contains the references cited in the text.  
Bibliographies, I believe, do this and may add other relevant reading materials 
not directly discussed in the article/book but which may be useful or 
interesting to the reader

   
The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it 
can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX and 
LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography if you 
wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources on some 
topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography on 
Descartes's version of the ontological argument".


rh

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck  wrote:

> On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
> >
> > I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
> > reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
> > references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
> > and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
> > in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
> > reader
> >
> >
> The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it 
> can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
> and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
> if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
> on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography
> on Descartes's version of the ontological argument".

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



> 
> rh
> 
> 


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Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[John Kane]

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, rgheck <rgh...@bobjweil.com> wrote:

> From: rgheck <rgh...@bobjweil.com>
> Subject: Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

> >    
> The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things.
> One thing it can mean is just a reference list, and that's
> what it means in LyX and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited
> sources to the bibliography if you wish. It can also mean
> something like a collection of sources on some topic, such
> as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography on
> Descartes's version of the ontological argument"

I knew those artsies had an easy life.  

Still, it does not sound worse than my Gr 13 English teacher's suggestion of an 
essay on "Gerard Manley Hopkin's use of sprung rythmn as a poetic device"





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Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Andre Poenitz]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:21:19AM +1100, Typhoon wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
> rgheck  wrote:
> > The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it 
> > can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
> > and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
> > if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
> > on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography
> > on Descartes's version of the ontological argument".
> 
> Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).

He typed that sentence in an email, that's good enough as a report to the
authorities nowadays...

Andre'

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

On 28.12.2009 14:26, Petr Šimon wrote:

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be 
working quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will 
follow. Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr



Hello,
I have cleaned up the plugin a bit and added some new functionality. It 
can now update the bibtex file with any changes made in Zotero.
Currently the cite keys are customizable, but I am thinking about 
removing this feature. Are there any serious reasons why custom cite 
keys are important? I want to keep them readable, so the LyX dialog can 
be used side by side with Zotero, e.g. to change text before and after, 
because this cannot be done through the pipe (only insertion is possible).

Petr

LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working 
quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. 
Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote:
 Hello,
 I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more
 than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by
 Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch
 (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
 
 My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close
 Zotero or LyX
 4. custom keys
 
 Hope others will find it useful.
 Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
 installation file.
 I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working
 quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow.
 Please let me know about any problems you encounter and
 comments/improvement ideas.

Hi Petr,

I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, 
but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not 
the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management 
Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the 
Reference Management Software best suited to you?

What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies?

Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please 
explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with 
bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?

Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX 
database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite 
the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be 
overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy 
to look :) ).

Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly 
nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, 
or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when 
it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix 
that one bug.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working 
quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. 
Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote:
 Hello,
 I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more
 than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by
 Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch
 (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
 
 My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close
 Zotero or LyX
 4. custom keys
 
 Hope others will find it useful.
 Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
 installation file.
 I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working
 quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow.
 Please let me know about any problems you encounter and
 comments/improvement ideas.

Hi Petr,

I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, 
but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not 
the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management 
Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the 
Reference Management Software best suited to you?

What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies?

Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please 
explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with 
bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?

Also, your website has this line: When you try to add already existing BibTeX 
database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite 
the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be 
overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy 
to look :) ).

Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly 
nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, 
or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when 
it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix 
that one bug.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Petr Šimon]

Hello,
I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more 
than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by 
Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch 
(with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.


My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close 
Zotero or LyX

4. custom keys

Hope others will find it useful.
Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the 
installation file.
I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working 
quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow. 
Please let me know about any problems you encounter and 
comments/improvement ideas.


Petr

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 28 December 2009 01:26:04 Petr Šimon wrote:
> Hello,
> I have put together a simple plugin for Zotero that does little more
> than just inserting citations to LyX documents. It's been inspired by
> Lytero, which I wanted to improve, but ended up starting from scratch
> (with some help of Lytero code). Hence the new name.
> 
> My ideal for LyX/Zotero plugin was:
> 1. no need to export to bibtex every time I added articles to Zotero
> 2. automatic updates of the bibtex database
> 3. no need to specify the document and bibtex file every time I close
> Zotero or LyX
> 4. custom keys
> 
> Hope others will find it useful.
> Please see: http://www.klubko.net/?page_id=945 for details and the
> installation file.
> I have tested only on Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.6. It seems to be working
> quite smoothly, but more testing and some improvement will follow.
> Please let me know about any problems you encounter and
> comments/improvement ideas.

Hi Petr,

I know nothing about citations. I've used bibliographies in a couple books, 
but that's about it. So it would be a great favor to me (and I'm probably not 
the only one) if you could explain a little about Reference Management 
Software, why you want it, what you do with it, what you look for in the 
Reference Management Software best suited to you?

What's the difference between citations, references and bibliographies?

Assuming citations are individual elements of bibliographies, could you please 
explain why Zotero makes adding and maintaining them easier than doing it with 
bibtex or whatever is normally used in LyX?

Also, your website has this line: "When you try to add already existing BibTeX 
database to a new document, you will be warned that you are about to overwrite 
the file. Don’t worry and press OK. The file is not really going to be 
overwritten, that’s just standard dialog that I don’t know how to remove (lazy 
to look :) )."

Normally I don't care about errors in new software, but this is a particularly 
nasty error because it will either: 1) cause people not to use your software, 
or 2) cause people to disregard your software's overwrite warnings, even when 
it's really true. #1 is bad, #2 is disastrous. I'd suggest you find and fix 
that one bug.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
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