Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-06, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de writes:

...
   the on-screen display should be (configurable to) leftalign instead of
   block align, *independent of the alignment in the output*

 OK. Then we should have a preference show justified text as left-aligned

This would be the right way indeed. I am looking forward to see this in my
next LyX.

 I do not think it is reasonable to modify layout files to get this result.

The 'leftalign.module' is just a temporary workaround. It works around the
problem of bad LyX-display in lists and section headings (where it is quite
common to have holes in the block-aligned display).

Günter

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-06, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de writes:

...
   the on-screen display should be (configurable to) leftalign instead of
   block align, *independent of the alignment in the output*

 OK. Then we should have a preference show justified text as left-aligned

This would be the right way indeed. I am looking forward to see this in my
next LyX.

 I do not think it is reasonable to modify layout files to get this result.

The 'leftalign.module' is just a temporary workaround. It works around the
problem of bad LyX-display in lists and section headings (where it is quite
common to have holes in the block-aligned display).

Günter

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-06, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Guenter Milde  writes:

...
>>   the on-screen display should be (configurable to) leftalign instead of
>>   block align, *independent of the alignment in the output*

> OK. Then we should have a preference "show justified text as left-aligned"

This would be "the right way" indeed. I am looking forward to see this in my
next LyX.

> I do not think it is reasonable to modify layout files to get this result.

The 'leftalign.module' is just a temporary workaround. It works around the
problem of bad LyX-display in lists and section headings (where it is quite
common to have "holes" in the block-aligned display).

Günter

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Vincent van Ravesteijn v.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl writes:
 Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.
 

 It is about the screen display.
   

 I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a
 paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and
 thus ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.

This is indeed done on purpose in the LaTeX sources:

\def\raggedright{%
  \let...@centercr\@rightsk...@flushglue \rightsk...@rightskip
  \leftski...@skip
  \parinden...@}

Hint: the last line is the relevant one here.

It is possible to reinstall indentation by setting parindent again after
calling raggedright, something like this (untested) in the preamble
(could be turned into a module, too).

\let\oldrr=\raggedright
\def\raggedright{\let\oldps=\parskip\oldrr\parskip=\oldps}

JMarc

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Vincent van Ravesteijn v.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl writes:
 Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.
 

 It is about the screen display.
   

 I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a
 paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and
 thus ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.

This is indeed done on purpose in the LaTeX sources:

\def\raggedright{%
  \let...@centercr\@rightsk...@flushglue \rightsk...@rightskip
  \leftski...@skip
  \parinden...@}

Hint: the last line is the relevant one here.

It is possible to reinstall indentation by setting parindent again after
calling raggedright, something like this (untested) in the preamble
(could be turned into a module, too).

\let\oldrr=\raggedright
\def\raggedright{\let\oldps=\parskip\oldrr\parskip=\oldps}

JMarc

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Vincent van Ravesteijn  writes:
>>> Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.
>>> 
>>
>> It is about the screen display.
>>   
>
> I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a
> paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and
> thus ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.

This is indeed done on purpose in the LaTeX sources:

\def\raggedright{%
  \let...@centercr\@rightsk...@flushglue \rightsk...@rightskip
  \leftski...@skip
  \parinden...@}

Hint: the last line is the relevant one here.

It is possible to reinstall indentation by setting parindent again after
calling raggedright, something like this (untested) in the preamble
(could be turned into a module, too).

\let\oldrr=\raggedright
\def\raggedright{\let\oldps=\parskip\oldrr\parskip=\oldps}

JMarc

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.



It is about the screen display.
  


I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a 
paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and thus 
ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.


VIncent

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.



It is about the screen display.
  


I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a 
paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and thus 
ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.


VIncent

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Is the problem on screen only, or for the output.



It is about the screen display.
  


I don't know whether it's a bug. If you select a left alignment of a 
paragraph in LyX, LyX and LaTeX both don't indent the paragraph and thus 
ParIndent should also be ignored when it is defined in a layout.


VIncent

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Uwe Stöhr]

Rob schrieb:


This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.


That's the problem ;-)

Have a look at the Customization manual that you fiond in LyX's Help menu. You find there that you 
have to use


LeftMargin

to specify the margin.

ParIndent

only affects the first line of the paragraph and it is furthermore a sting, not 
a length. So

ParIndent MMM

would do the job.

regards Uwe

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 10:57 AM, Rob wrote:

Hi,

I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file. I did it
by simply adding these lines to my .layout file:

Style Standard
Align Left
End

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.  What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance and the conventional
paragraph indents in my layout?

   
First, ParIndent takes a string, like M, as argument. The indent 
will then be as big as the string.


Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 
like the attached. Then you can use it with whatever class you want, or not.


Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
you enter it into the bugtracker?


rh

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:18 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Rob schrieb:

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the 
paragraph

indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know 
what I am

doing.


That's the problem ;-)

As I say in the other message, though, this is definitely a bug. Simply 
setting Align to Left should not kill the indentation, which is set at 
document level, right?


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.  

thanks.

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:36 AM, Rob wrote:

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.

   
This seems to be ignored if the alignment isn't Block. There's 
definitely a bug here somewhere.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

 
 #\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
 #DescriptionBegin
 #Test Module
 #DescriptionEnd
 
 Format 11
 
 Style Standard
   Align Left
   ParIndent M
 End
 
 


Hi RG,  

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text 
to make a module and am able to change the margins, 
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.  
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with 
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

Rob

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 12:07 PM, Rob wrote:

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End


 


Hi RG,

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text
to make a module and am able to change the margins,
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

   
No. I only meant it as an example. The parindent problem is elsewhere, 
and there isn't any way to solve it, other than by fixing the bug that 
is causing it.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-04, rgheck wrote:

 I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file.
...
 What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance
 and the conventional paragraph indents in my layout?

 Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 

See the leftalign module below.

 Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
 you enter it into the bugtracker?

It is a bug. I am not sure, whether I submitted it to the bugtracker
already (i.e. 1,5 years ago), though.

Günter




#\DeclareLyXModule{leftalign}
#DescriptionBegin
#Left align text (instead of block align; on screen).
#DescriptionEnd

#Author: Günter Milde mi...@users.sf.net

# Left align instead of block align (on screen)
# -

# As LyX's linebreaking algorithm does not include hyphenation of longer
# words, some very large inter-word spaces frequently occure (especially in
# languages with many long words as, e.g., German).

# Readability can be improved by setting the paragraph alignment 
# in the LyX window to left.
# This does not influence the appearance of the printout.

# Drawbacks: 
#
# * the EditParagraph Settings dialog will display default (left)
#   even if the default alignment of the class is block.
#
# * Paragraph indentation is supressed (therefore currently commented out).


# Style Standard
#   Align Left
# End

#stdlists
Style Itemize
Align Left
End

Style Description
Align Left
End

Style Enumeration
Align Left
End

Style List
Align Left
End

Style Quotation
Align Left
End

Style Quote
Align Left
End

# stdsections
Style Part
Align Left
End

Style Chapter
Align Left
End


Style Section
Align Left
End

Style Subsection
Align Left
End

Style Subsubsection
Align Left
End

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Uwe Stöhr]

Rob schrieb:


This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.


That's the problem ;-)

Have a look at the Customization manual that you fiond in LyX's Help menu. You find there that you 
have to use


LeftMargin

to specify the margin.

ParIndent

only affects the first line of the paragraph and it is furthermore a sting, not 
a length. So

ParIndent MMM

would do the job.

regards Uwe

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 10:57 AM, Rob wrote:

Hi,

I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file. I did it
by simply adding these lines to my .layout file:

Style Standard
Align Left
End

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.  What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance and the conventional
paragraph indents in my layout?

   
First, ParIndent takes a string, like M, as argument. The indent 
will then be as big as the string.


Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 
like the attached. Then you can use it with whatever class you want, or not.


Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
you enter it into the bugtracker?


rh

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:18 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Rob schrieb:

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the 
paragraph

indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know 
what I am

doing.


That's the problem ;-)

As I say in the other message, though, this is definitely a bug. Simply 
setting Align to Left should not kill the indentation, which is set at 
document level, right?


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.  

thanks.

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:36 AM, Rob wrote:

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.

   
This seems to be ignored if the alignment isn't Block. There's 
definitely a bug here somewhere.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

 
 #\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
 #DescriptionBegin
 #Test Module
 #DescriptionEnd
 
 Format 11
 
 Style Standard
   Align Left
   ParIndent M
 End
 
 


Hi RG,  

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text 
to make a module and am able to change the margins, 
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.  
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with 
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

Rob

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 12:07 PM, Rob wrote:

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End


 


Hi RG,

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text
to make a module and am able to change the margins,
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

   
No. I only meant it as an example. The parindent problem is elsewhere, 
and there isn't any way to solve it, other than by fixing the bug that 
is causing it.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-04, rgheck wrote:

 I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file.
...
 What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance
 and the conventional paragraph indents in my layout?

 Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 

See the leftalign module below.

 Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
 you enter it into the bugtracker?

It is a bug. I am not sure, whether I submitted it to the bugtracker
already (i.e. 1,5 years ago), though.

Günter




#\DeclareLyXModule{leftalign}
#DescriptionBegin
#Left align text (instead of block align; on screen).
#DescriptionEnd

#Author: Günter Milde mi...@users.sf.net

# Left align instead of block align (on screen)
# -

# As LyX's linebreaking algorithm does not include hyphenation of longer
# words, some very large inter-word spaces frequently occure (especially in
# languages with many long words as, e.g., German).

# Readability can be improved by setting the paragraph alignment 
# in the LyX window to left.
# This does not influence the appearance of the printout.

# Drawbacks: 
#
# * the EditParagraph Settings dialog will display default (left)
#   even if the default alignment of the class is block.
#
# * Paragraph indentation is supressed (therefore currently commented out).


# Style Standard
#   Align Left
# End

#stdlists
Style Itemize
Align Left
End

Style Description
Align Left
End

Style Enumeration
Align Left
End

Style List
Align Left
End

Style Quotation
Align Left
End

Style Quote
Align Left
End

# stdsections
Style Part
Align Left
End

Style Chapter
Align Left
End


Style Section
Align Left
End

Style Subsection
Align Left
End

Style Subsubsection
Align Left
End

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Uwe Stöhr]

Rob schrieb:


This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.


That's the problem ;-)

Have a look at the Customization manual that you fiond in LyX's Help menu. You find there that you 
have to use


LeftMargin

to specify the margin.

ParIndent

only affects the first line of the paragraph and it is furthermore a sting, not 
a length. So

ParIndent "MMM"

would do the job.

regards Uwe

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 10:57 AM, Rob wrote:

Hi,

I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file. I did it
by simply adding these lines to my .layout file:

Style Standard
Align Left
End

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the paragraph
indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know what I am
doing.  What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance and the conventional
paragraph indents in my layout?

   
First, ParIndent takes a string, like "M", as argument. The indent 
will then be as big as the string.


Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 
like the attached. Then you can use it with whatever class you want, or not.


Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
you enter it into the bugtracker?


rh

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:18 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Rob schrieb:

This is now ragged right in my layout, as I desire, but I lost the 
paragraph

indents in the process.  When I changed the above to this:

Style Standard
ParIndent 30pt
Align Left
End

I still didn't get the paragraph indents.  I definitely do not know 
what I am

doing.


That's the problem ;-)

As I say in the other message, though, this is definitely a bug. Simply 
setting Align to Left should not kill the indentation, which is set at 
document level, right?


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.  

thanks.

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 11:36 AM, Rob wrote:

Thanks Uwe,

But when I specify

Style Standard
Align  Left
ParIndent  MMM
End

the problems persists.  In fact, no matter the string entry for ParIndent, the
problem persists.  I've looked closely at the customization manual, but cannot
find my solution there.

   
This seems to be ignored if the alignment isn't Block. There's 
definitely a bug here somewhere.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Rob]

> 
> #\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
> #DescriptionBegin
> #Test Module
> #DescriptionEnd
> 
> Format 11
> 
> Style Standard
>   Align Left
>   ParIndent M
> End
> 
> 


Hi RG,  

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text 
to make a module and am able to change the margins, 
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.  
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with 
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

Rob

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[rgheck]

On 11/04/2009 12:07 PM, Rob wrote:

#\DeclareLyXModule{Test}
#DescriptionBegin
#Test Module
#DescriptionEnd

Format 11

Style Standard
Align Left
ParIndent M
End


 


Hi RG,

Thanks for your help with this.  I copied your text
to make a module and am able to change the margins,
alignment etc., but still not the paragraph indent.
Were you able to change the paragraph indent with
this module as it's written?  Thanks.

   
No. I only meant it as an example. The parindent problem is elsewhere, 
and there isn't any way to solve it, other than by fixing the bug that 
is causing it.


rh

Re: Paragraph Indent Alignment in .layout file

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-04, rgheck wrote:

>> I changed the alignment of the standard environment in my layout file.
...
>> What should I do to keep my ragged right appearance
>> and the conventional paragraph indents in my layout?

> Second, I would suggest putting this kind of thing into a simple module, 

See the leftalign module below.

> Finally, though, yes, I see the problem. This is presumably a bug. Can 
> you enter it into the bugtracker?

It is a bug. I am not sure, whether I submitted it to the bugtracker
already (i.e. 1,5 years ago), though.

Günter




#\DeclareLyXModule{leftalign}
#DescriptionBegin
#Left align text (instead of block align; on screen).
#DescriptionEnd

#Author: Günter Milde 

# Left align instead of block align (on screen)
# -

# As LyX's linebreaking algorithm does not include hyphenation of longer
# words, some very large inter-word spaces frequently occure (especially in
# languages with many long words as, e.g., German).

# Readability can be improved by setting the paragraph alignment 
# in the LyX window to "left".
# This does not influence the appearance of the printout.

# Drawbacks: 
#
# * the Edit>Paragraph Settings dialog will display "default (left)"
#   even if the default alignment of the class is "block".
#
# * Paragraph indentation is supressed (therefore currently commented out).


# Style Standard
#   Align Left
# End

#stdlists
Style Itemize
Align Left
End

Style Description
Align Left
End

Style Enumeration
Align Left
End

Style List
Align Left
End

Style Quotation
Align Left
End

Style Quote
Align Left
End

# stdsections
Style Part
Align Left
End

Style Chapter
Align Left
End


Style Section
Align Left
End

Style Subsection
Align Left
End

Style Subsubsection
Align Left
End