Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Helge Hafting]

Richard Brown wrote:

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?


First, don't convert to jpg. You can insert tiff files directly in LyX.

While jpg is useful for photos, it is totally useless for anything with 
 a low number of colors and sharp contrasts. (Screen dumps, line art, 
and of course black  white music.)


As others have pointed out, using a vector graphic format like PDF (or 
postcript) is even better.  The reason: a bitmap image (tiff,png,jpg) 
has limited resolution. Therefore, it cannot look good on a device with 
higher resolution. Most bitmap images are made to look good on screen, a 
quality image looks good even on a really big screen. But that isn't 
enough for printing. Even a low-end printer has *much* higher resolution 
than the best screens, so bitmap images never gets really good in print. 
(Or in dvi, which really is a print preview.)


Vector graphics is completely different. Such files are independent of 
resolution. So they work perfectly on any printing device. There is one 
exception, and that is when one converts a bitmap into a pdf. The bitmap 
doesn't become vector graphics that way.


The only way is to use Sibelius, and get vector graphics from there. 
Perhaps it has options like export or save as, where you can specify 
a format like pdf or postscript (ps) or encapsulated postscript?


I haven't tried Sibelius, so I don't know. I have test-printed some 
music using lilypond though, and have gotten nice results that way.


Helge Hafting

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Helge Hafting]

Richard Brown wrote:

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?


First, don't convert to jpg. You can insert tiff files directly in LyX.

While jpg is useful for photos, it is totally useless for anything with 
 a low number of colors and sharp contrasts. (Screen dumps, line art, 
and of course black  white music.)


As others have pointed out, using a vector graphic format like PDF (or 
postcript) is even better.  The reason: a bitmap image (tiff,png,jpg) 
has limited resolution. Therefore, it cannot look good on a device with 
higher resolution. Most bitmap images are made to look good on screen, a 
quality image looks good even on a really big screen. But that isn't 
enough for printing. Even a low-end printer has *much* higher resolution 
than the best screens, so bitmap images never gets really good in print. 
(Or in dvi, which really is a print preview.)


Vector graphics is completely different. Such files are independent of 
resolution. So they work perfectly on any printing device. There is one 
exception, and that is when one converts a bitmap into a pdf. The bitmap 
doesn't become vector graphics that way.


The only way is to use Sibelius, and get vector graphics from there. 
Perhaps it has options like export or save as, where you can specify 
a format like pdf or postscript (ps) or encapsulated postscript?


I haven't tried Sibelius, so I don't know. I have test-printed some 
music using lilypond though, and have gotten nice results that way.


Helge Hafting

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Helge Hafting]

Richard Brown wrote:

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?


First, don't convert to jpg. You can insert tiff files directly in LyX.

While jpg is useful for photos, it is totally useless for anything with 
 a low number of colors and sharp contrasts. (Screen dumps, line art, 
and of course black & white music.)


As others have pointed out, using a vector graphic format like PDF (or 
postcript) is even better.  The reason: a bitmap image (tiff,png,jpg) 
has limited resolution. Therefore, it cannot look good on a device with 
higher resolution. Most bitmap images are made to look good on screen, a 
quality image looks good even on a really big screen. But that isn't 
enough for printing. Even a low-end printer has *much* higher resolution 
than the best screens, so bitmap images never gets really good in print. 
(Or in dvi, which really is a print preview.)


Vector graphics is completely different. Such files are independent of 
resolution. So they work perfectly on any printing device. There is one 
exception, and that is when one converts a bitmap into a pdf. The bitmap 
doesn't become vector graphics that way.


The only way is to use Sibelius, and get vector graphics from there. 
Perhaps it has options like "export" or "save as", where you can specify 
a format like pdf or postscript (ps) or encapsulated postscript?


I haven't tried Sibelius, so I don't know. I have test-printed some 
music using lilypond though, and have gotten nice results that way.


Helge Hafting

inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Richard Brown]

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?

TIA

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Julio Rojas]

It's much better if you print them as PDFs and the include them in
your Lyx document. I think this should be possible from your
application.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Richard Brown
rich...@guidedelearning.com wrote:
 I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
 They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
 converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
 results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
 converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
 Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
 fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
 disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?

 TIA

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-19, Richard Brown wrote:

 I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
 They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
 converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
 results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx.

JPEG is a lossy image comression format suited for photographic pictures,
not for musical scores (nor text nor line drawings, ...)

If a pixmap is the only option, try PNG instead. If Sibelius allows
export to a vector format (PDF or SVG, say) this will be even better,
because then you can scale the image without loss of quality
(even if it might look bad on-screen).

Günter

inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Richard Brown]

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?

TIA

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Julio Rojas]

It's much better if you print them as PDFs and the include them in
your Lyx document. I think this should be possible from your
application.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Richard Brown
rich...@guidedelearning.com wrote:
 I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
 They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
 converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
 results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
 converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
 Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
 fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
 disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?

 TIA

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-19, Richard Brown wrote:

 I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
 They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
 converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
 results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx.

JPEG is a lossy image comression format suited for photographic pictures,
not for musical scores (nor text nor line drawings, ...)

If a pixmap is the only option, try PNG instead. If Sibelius allows
export to a vector format (PDF or SVG, say) this will be even better,
because then you can scale the image without loss of quality
(even if it might look bad on-screen).

Günter

inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Richard Brown]

I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?

TIA

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Julio Rojas]

It's much better if you "print" them as PDFs and the include them in
your Lyx document. I think this should be possible from your
application.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Richard Brown
 wrote:
> I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
> They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
> converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
> results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx. When I open the
> converted jpg files in other software they are really clear and good, but in
> Lyx onscreen they are very poor and in the dvi files even worse. Many of the
> fine lines that indicate musical notes are patchy, and a lot have
> disappeared. Has anyone got any good ideas as to how to process this?
>
> TIA
>

Re: inserting black and white graphics (musical notation) from TIFF

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-19, Richard Brown wrote:

> I have some TIFF files exported from Sibelius, the music scoring program.
> They are just high-quality images of black and white music scores. I tried
> converting them to jpg in GIMP for inclusion in my Lyx manuscript, but the
> results were awful- or at least, they were awful in lyx.

JPEG is a lossy image comression format suited for photographic pictures,
not for musical scores (nor text nor line drawings, ...)

If a pixmap is the only option, try PNG instead. If Sibelius allows
export to a vector format (PDF or SVG, say) this will be even better,
because then you can scale the image without loss of quality
(even if it might look bad on-screen).

Günter