Re: About the option "Here Definitely"

[Paul A. Rubin]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Monday 18 May 2009 02:48:57 pm Adrian Diaz wrote:


I have a doubt about the setting parameters of "Float Setting". In the
Guide Manual Recomends that does not use always
the option "Here Definitely". I do not understand why this option could be
not recomend ?



This is one man's opinion. Seek other opinions.



Personal opinion:

It seems to me that "Here Definitely" somewhat defeats the purpose of a 
float -- it's a float that does not actually float (much).  Usually if I 
really, really want something at a specific location, I insert it 
directly into the text, without using a float (which implies that I also 
assume responsibility for making sure that text before it does not push 
it too close to the bottom margin).  I suppose I might still use a float 
with "Here Definitely" if the content is position-sensitive but also 
needs to be numbered in sequence with some free-floating floats.


Mostly, though, I use floats in journal articles (which is to say, not 
often, or at least not often enough ;-)), and I think journals typically 
want them floating.


/Paul

Re: About the option "Here Definitely"

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 18 May 2009 02:48:57 pm Adrian Diaz wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a doubt about the setting parameters of "Float Setting". In the
> Guide Manual Recomends that does not use always
> the option "Here Definitely". I do not understand why this option could be
> not recomend ?
>
>Gretings Adrián

This is one man's opinion. Seek other opinions.

I think the reason they dis-recommend "Here Definitely" is that it doesn't 
give LaTeX wiggle room to optimally format pages.

Personally, I think that in some cases the uglier page formatting is a small 
price to pay for being able to say "As you can see in the following diagram" 
instead of "As you can see in diagram 4.3 on page 85", forcing the reader to 
flip around looking for the correct diagram, meanwhile losing his train of 
thought. Then of course you can follow the diagram with "in the preceding 
diagram, not that..." instead of "in diagram 4.3 on page 85", thus messing up 
the reader's train of thought again.

Sometimes I don't even use floats, but just put the graphic directly in the 
document. If the graphic is referred to only immediately before and 
immediately after, it doesn't need a title or reference number, making 
everything simpler.

It's been my observation with LyX/LaTeX that whether you insert directly, use 
a "Here Definitely" float, or let the float totally govern placement, small 
graphics work out well, while graphics approaching a half page or more 
invariably page break in an ugly matter. If I need a really complex diagram, 
I sometimes format it to take up exactly one page, although sometimes TeX is 
so stupid it prints almost empty pages before and after the whole page 
graphic.

As I mention, get other opinions.

HTH

SteveT

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About the option "Here Definitely"

[Adrian Diaz]

Hi

I have a doubt about the setting parameters of "Float Setting". In the Guide
Manual Recomends that does not use always
the option "Here Definitely". I do not understand why this option could be
not recomend ?

   Gretings Adrián