Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:50:58PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience tells me that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE apps. I use Kmail right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail crashes on me regularly.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:31:39PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: Plugins also make sense with the LateX model. If I'm using natbib, I won't be using jurabib and vice-versa. Plugins do not play well with TeX at all. Basically the only reliable context there is a full file. Even an 'a' in a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:23:29PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: Previous situations (configuration in either Edit or Option menus) was rather illogical and caused by the fact that the average screen was much smaller than today. And how exactly did my average screen grow during the last

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:36:18AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: And it is not supposed to be lcd of qt and xforms. Maybe it's not supposed to be like this, but face it: it mostly is. Moreover, currently a lot of LyX's manpower seems to go into platform independence code that would come for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Juergen I don't think that completely broken still holds. The Juergen assert with change tracking has been fixed recently, and Juergen AFAICS change tracking works quite well now (there are still Juergen some minor bugs and

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:50:58PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience tells me that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE apps. I use Kmail right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail crashes on me regularly.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:31:39PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: Plugins also make sense with the LateX model. If I'm using natbib, I won't be using jurabib and vice-versa. Plugins do not play well with TeX at all. Basically the only reliable context there is a full file. Even an 'a' in a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:23:29PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: Previous situations (configuration in either Edit or Option menus) was rather illogical and caused by the fact that the average screen was much smaller than today. And how exactly did my average screen grow during the last

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:36:18AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: And it is not supposed to be lcd of qt and xforms. Maybe it's not supposed to be like this, but face it: it mostly is. Moreover, currently a lot of LyX's manpower seems to go into platform independence code that would come for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Juergen I don't think that completely broken still holds. The Juergen assert with change tracking has been fixed recently, and Juergen AFAICS change tracking works quite well now (there are still Juergen some minor bugs and

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:50:58PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience tells me > that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE apps. I use Kmail > right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail crashes on me

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:31:39PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: > Plugins also make sense with the LateX model. If I'm using natbib, I won't > be using jurabib and vice-versa. Plugins do not play well with TeX at all. Basically the only reliable context there is a full file. Even an 'a' in a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:23:29PM +0100, Charles de Miramon wrote: > Previous situations (configuration in either Edit or Option menus) was > rather illogical and caused by the fact that the average screen was much > smaller than today. And how exactly did my average screen grow during the last

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:36:18AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > And it is not supposed to be lcd of qt and xforms. Maybe it's not supposed to be like this, but face it: it mostly is. Moreover, currently a lot of LyX's manpower seems to go into platform independence code that would come

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Juergen> I don't think that "completely broken" still holds. The > Juergen> assert with change tracking has been fixed recently, and > Juergen> AFAICS change tracking works quite well now (there are still > Juergen> some minor

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to choose the right class. Jean-Pierre IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre by itself does not contain a user point of view. Well, we allow

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles They are some research on the web on how fast humans (and Charles maybe chimps) find the right node on a tree depending on the Charles number of levels of the tree, I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:13:21 +0100 Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Helge Hafting
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to choose the right class. Jean-Pierre IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre by itself does

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to choose the right class. Jean-Pierre IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre by itself does not contain a user point of view. Well, we allow

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles They are some research on the web on how fast humans (and Charles maybe chimps) find the right node on a tree depending on the Charles number of levels of the tree, I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:13:21 +0100 Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Helge Hafting
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Jean-Pierre == Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to choose the right class. Jean-Pierre IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre by itself does

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Jean-Pierre" == Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to >>> choose the right class. Jean-Pierre> IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre> by itself does not contain a user point of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles> They are some research on the web on how fast humans (and Charles> maybe chimps) find the right node on a tree depending on the Charles> number of levels of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
>>To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life >>From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:13

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-07 Thread Helge Hafting
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Jean-Pierre" == Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The first thing to do when you start a LaTeX document is to choose the right class. Jean-Pierre> IMHO, the right template would be more efficient, a class Jean-Pierre> by itself

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in Charles a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles A nice usability enhancement for LyX 1.4 would

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in Charles a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Previous situations

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I do not know really. Let's say a few month. It really depends on whether some of the coders can find some time to work on it (sad, isn't it?). I have two thoughts, how to give to the LyX some edge: 1) I have been happy user of SWSusp kernel patch and its

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:23:29 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in Charles a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles A nice usability enhancement for LyX 1.4 would

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in Charles a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Previous situations

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I do not know really. Let's say a few month. It really depends on whether some of the coders can find some time to work on it (sad, isn't it?). I have two thoughts, how to give to the LyX some edge: 1) I have been happy user of SWSusp kernel patch and its

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:23:29 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first thing to do

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in Charles> a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. But that would mean one more menu for just two entries... Charles> A nice usability enhancement for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Charles> Great. I think that Reconfigure and Preferences should be in > Charles> a Configuration Menu and not in the Tools Menu. > > But that would mean one more menu for just two

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I do not know really. Let's say a few month. It really depends on > whether some of the coders can find some time to work on it (sad, > isn't it?). I have two thoughts, how to give to the LyX some edge: 1) I have been happy user of SWSusp kernel patch and its

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
>>To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org >>From: Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life >>Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:23:29 +0100 >> >>Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> >>>>>

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-05 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 19:50, Steve Litt wrote: I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience tells me that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE apps. I use Kmail right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail crashes on me regularly. I don't

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-05 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 19:50, Steve Litt wrote: I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience tells me that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE apps. I use Kmail right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail crashes on me regularly. I don't

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-05 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 19:50, Steve Litt wrote: > I hope LyX *NEVER* depends on KDE in any way. My personal experience > tells me that KDE is unstable, to the point where I use very few KDE > apps. I use Kmail right now, but am looking for a replacement. Kmail > crashes on me regularly. I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matej Rich Shepard wrote: As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that Matej You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment Matej if you have installed kdelibs. I am not sure what is the current status of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matej Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of your concerns. Matej Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried Matej that my report about LyX's death were not that exaggerated

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but Matej how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? We already have document revision with RCS (the Version control feature). I am not sure how this can be combined with the new change tracking feature.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen == Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Juergen Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but Matej how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? Juergen We already have document revision with RCS (the Version Juergen control feature).

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). A few months ago, change tracking was unusable because of the assert. I haven't found any showstopper yet (except the change tracking

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej Is there such list available somewhere -- I would be interested Matej even if it is vaporware for some time. Lars keeps a reasonably up to date list of things he would like here: http://www.devel.lyx.org/roadmap.php3 http://www.devel.lyx.org/tasks.php3 I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Charles Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers. Charles Maybe some new users. But the classical people ready to help Charles with an Open Source

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve 1. No character styles (I understand this is coming in a later Steve version). Yes, but in a basic form (no character style editor) Steve 2. Paragraph styles (environments) are soo hard to Steve construct. I understand this is more a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Bo == Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bo 3. latex conversion: critical to the usability of lyx. I was Bo frustrated when I can not import a lyx-exported latex file that Bo has been slightly modified by my advisor. I am glad that it will Bo get better in 1.4. Currently, with tex2lyx we are

[off-topic] Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread chr
The New Years spirit must be strong! Thanks to everyone for not starting a flame war and having such a pleasant, well mannered and constructive conversation in this thread. (For people who haven't followed the thread, I'm *not* being ironic here) Happy New Year and my sincerest regards

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles The Emacs-style interface is showing its age and rather weird Charles for Windows transfuges used to MsWord. Emacs-style in which sense? For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Things that should happen in 1.3.6: ... Things that will be in 1.4.0: ... I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are checked, but it would be very tidy to be able to close them all again without having to move through the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key bindings are all configurable. See $PREFIX/share/lyx/bind. Personally,

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Angus Leeming wrote: Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key bindings are all configurable. See

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 January 2005 23:33, Bo Peng wrote: 8. file format: I also sometimes modify lyx file directly using perl but lyx format is not very easy to handle. I would prefer a XML like format. The file format has changed a bit between 1.3 and 1.4, we had more than 15 changes in the file

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej 421 (I don't care that much), http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Export to ASCII does not export bibliography and references It seems to be fixed now, but Jose' knows better than I do. It is fixed now. -- José

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - Docbook bibliography support (after being spoiled by LyX's Matej support of BibTeX, I just cannot live without Insert/Citation Matej Reference working) There is a feature request in bugzilla for this, I didn't had enough

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: 1.4 has an lfun which does exactly this (you can open, close or toggle all footnotes and others via the minibuffer). Jürgen, I _thought_ this was the case. I look forward to using it. Many thanks, Rich -- Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: I was talking of the way how shortcuts appear in the menu. Today it is C-n and I think it should be changed to Ctrl+N like Gnome/KDE/Windows applications. This has been changed in 1.4 (shortcuts are even translatable). Jürgen

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen == Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Juergen Rich Shepard wrote: I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are checked, but it would be very tidy to be

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jose' == Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jose' On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej 421 (I don't care that much), http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Export to ASCII does not export bibliography and references It seems to be fixed now, but Jose'

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Jose' It is fixed now. So, why isn't marked as fixedintrunk? Because the bibliographic support is broken (for insertions) and I would like to close it when this is working. Consider it some kind of hidden dependency. :-)

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:16 am, Angus Leeming wrote: Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). At the time there was a lot of brokenness around tables, insets, undo etc. This may indeed

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matej Rich Shepard wrote: As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that Matej You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment Matej if you have installed kdelibs. I am not sure what is the current status of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matej Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of your concerns. Matej Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried Matej that my report about LyX's death were not that exaggerated

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but Matej how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? We already have document revision with RCS (the Version control feature). I am not sure how this can be combined with the new change tracking feature.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen == Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Juergen Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but Matej how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? Juergen We already have document revision with RCS (the Version Juergen control feature).

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). A few months ago, change tracking was unusable because of the assert. I haven't found any showstopper yet (except the change tracking

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej Is there such list available somewhere -- I would be interested Matej even if it is vaporware for some time. Lars keeps a reasonably up to date list of things he would like here: http://www.devel.lyx.org/roadmap.php3 http://www.devel.lyx.org/tasks.php3 I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles == Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Charles Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers. Charles Maybe some new users. But the classical people ready to help Charles with an Open Source

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve 1. No character styles (I understand this is coming in a later Steve version). Yes, but in a basic form (no character style editor) Steve 2. Paragraph styles (environments) are soo hard to Steve construct. I understand this is more a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Bo == Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bo 3. latex conversion: critical to the usability of lyx. I was Bo frustrated when I can not import a lyx-exported latex file that Bo has been slightly modified by my advisor. I am glad that it will Bo get better in 1.4. Currently, with tex2lyx we are

[off-topic] Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread chr
The New Years spirit must be strong! Thanks to everyone for not starting a flame war and having such a pleasant, well mannered and constructive conversation in this thread. (For people who haven't followed the thread, I'm *not* being ironic here) Happy New Year and my sincerest regards

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Charles The Emacs-style interface is showing its age and rather weird Charles for Windows transfuges used to MsWord. Emacs-style in which sense? For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Things that should happen in 1.3.6: ... Things that will be in 1.4.0: ... I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are checked, but it would be very tidy to be able to close them all again without having to move through the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key bindings are all configurable. See $PREFIX/share/lyx/bind. Personally,

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Angus Leeming wrote: Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key bindings are all configurable. See

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 January 2005 23:33, Bo Peng wrote: 8. file format: I also sometimes modify lyx file directly using perl but lyx format is not very easy to handle. I would prefer a XML like format. The file format has changed a bit between 1.3 and 1.4, we had more than 15 changes in the file

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej 421 (I don't care that much), http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Export to ASCII does not export bibliography and references It seems to be fixed now, but Jose' knows better than I do. It is fixed now. -- José

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej - Docbook bibliography support (after being spoiled by LyX's Matej support of BibTeX, I just cannot live without Insert/Citation Matej Reference working) There is a feature request in bugzilla for this, I didn't had enough

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: 1.4 has an lfun which does exactly this (you can open, close or toggle all footnotes and others via the minibuffer). Jürgen, I _thought_ this was the case. I look forward to using it. Many thanks, Rich -- Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: I was talking of the way how shortcuts appear in the menu. Today it is C-n and I think it should be changed to Ctrl+N like Gnome/KDE/Windows applications. This has been changed in 1.4 (shortcuts are even translatable). Jürgen

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen == Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Juergen Rich Shepard wrote: I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are checked, but it would be very tidy to be

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jose' == Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jose' On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej 421 (I don't care that much), http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Export to ASCII does not export bibliography and references It seems to be fixed now, but Jose'

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Jose' It is fixed now. So, why isn't marked as fixedintrunk? Because the bibliographic support is broken (for insertions) and I would like to close it when this is working. Consider it some kind of hidden dependency. :-)

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:16 am, Angus Leeming wrote: Charles de Miramon wrote: For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). At the time there was a lot of brokenness around tables, insets, undo etc. This may indeed

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Matej" == Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matej> Rich Shepard wrote: >> As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree >> that Matej> You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment Matej> if you have installed kdelibs. I am not sure what is the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Matej" == Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matej> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of >> your concerns. Matej> Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried Matej> that my report about LyX's death were not

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Matej> - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but > Matej> how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? We already have document revision with RCS (the "Version control" feature). I am not sure how this can be combined with the new change tracking

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Juergen" == Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Juergen> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej> - documents revisions (hopefully, it is coming in 1.4.*), but Matej> how is it going to work with RCS/CVS? Juergen> We already have document revision with RCS (the "Version Juergen>

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing > that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). A few months ago, change tracking was unusable because of the assert. I haven't found any showstopper yet (except the change tracking

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Matej> Is there such list available somewhere -- I would be interested > Matej> even if it is vaporware for some time. Lars keeps a reasonably up to date list of things he would like here: http://www.devel.lyx.org/roadmap.php3 http://www.devel.lyx.org/tasks.php3 I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Charles> Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers. Charles> Maybe some new users. But the classical people ready to help Charles> with an Open

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> 1. No character styles (I understand this is coming in a later Steve> version). Yes, but in a basic form (no character style editor) Steve> 2. Paragraph styles (environments) are soo hard to Steve> construct. I understand this

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