Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Horacio Pérez
Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX? 





Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:

Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?

Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an 
enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this 
work.


rh



Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Ray Rashif
On 9 June 2012 02:16, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:

 Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?

 Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an enhancement
 request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this work.

But you'd be surprised what actually works. This normally should work
if you copy from an application that treats the image as an object,
i.e not from the desktop or file manager, or an image viewer.

In simple terms, copy image from file manager or desktop, paste in a
normal word processor, copy that, paste in LyX. This, of course, if
you don't wanna have to organise anything into your LyX project dir
for use when you click the insert image button.

Today I pasted a dozen images like that with 2 windows split side by
side, and LyX even allowed me to insert a sub-float, 2 by 2 forming a
4-image figure. Just amazing, or maybe my expectations were too low :D


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RE: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Scott Kostyshak
From: Richard Heck [rgh...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:16 PM

Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an
enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this
work.

There is an enhancement request already filed that has a patch:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4017

I haven't tested it and it looks to be forgotten, but I'm guessing there's a 
chance of seeing this feature in 2.1.

Scott

Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Horacio Pérez
Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX? 





Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:

Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?

Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an 
enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this 
work.


rh



Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Ray Rashif
On 9 June 2012 02:16, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:

 Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?

 Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an enhancement
 request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this work.

But you'd be surprised what actually works. This normally should work
if you copy from an application that treats the image as an object,
i.e not from the desktop or file manager, or an image viewer.

In simple terms, copy image from file manager or desktop, paste in a
normal word processor, copy that, paste in LyX. This, of course, if
you don't wanna have to organise anything into your LyX project dir
for use when you click the insert image button.

Today I pasted a dozen images like that with 2 windows split side by
side, and LyX even allowed me to insert a sub-float, 2 by 2 forming a
4-image figure. Just amazing, or maybe my expectations were too low :D


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GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1


RE: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Scott Kostyshak
From: Richard Heck [rgh...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:16 PM

Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an
enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this
work.

There is an enhancement request already filed that has a patch:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4017

I haven't tested it and it looks to be forgotten, but I'm guessing there's a 
chance of seeing this feature in 2.1.

Scott

Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Horacio Pérez
Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX? 





Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:

Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?

Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an 
enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this 
work.


rh



Re: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Ray Rashif
On 9 June 2012 02:16, Richard Heck <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, Horacio Pérez wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible somehow to drag and drop image files to LyX?
>>
> Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an enhancement
> request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this work.

But you'd be surprised what actually works. This normally should work
if you copy from an application that treats the image as an object,
i.e not from the desktop or file manager, or an image viewer.

In simple terms, copy image from file manager or desktop, paste in a
normal word processor, copy that, paste in LyX. This, of course, if
you don't wanna have to organise anything into your LyX project dir
for use when you click the insert image button.

Today I pasted a dozen images like that with 2 windows split side by
side, and LyX even allowed me to insert a sub-float, 2 by 2 forming a
4-image figure. Just amazing, or maybe my expectations were too low :D


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1


RE: Drag and drop image files to LyX

2012-06-08 Thread Scott Kostyshak
From: Richard Heck [rgh...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:16 PM

>Not at the moment, I don't think, though feel free to file an
>enhancement request. It probably wouldn't be all that hard to make this
>work.

There is an enhancement request already filed that has a patch:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4017

I haven't tested it and it looks to be forgotten, but I'm guessing there's a 
chance of seeing this feature in 2.1.

Scott

Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-23 Thread Helge Hafting

On 22. juni 2010 18:11, Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.


LyX has copy+paste using mouse only - at least on linux:

1. Mark the text to be copied
2. Move the mouse to where you want to copy it
3. Press the middle mouse button. (Or both buttons, if your mouse
   only have two buttons.)

Dragging a marked is something I don't miss. The keyboard shortcuts are 
usually much faster than using the mouse - once you get used to them.


The reason: One has to take a hand off the keyboard, and aim the mouse 
carefully. And then move the hand back to the keyboard again. When 
writing, the hands are on the keyboard by default.


None of this is necessary when using keyboard shortcuts. Cut/copy, a few 
cursor keys, paste. It is the faster way in openoffice too,

for that matter.

There is even a disadvantage to text dragging - it makes selecting 
trickier. In LyX, if you select wrong, you can select again immediately. 
You can even re-start selection in the middle of the existing selection. 
This is possible only because selection dragging is not implemented. 
Some mice has limited precision, and occationally mis-selects. Easy to 
fix when there is no dragging.


When there is selection dragging, there is the problem of dropping the 
selection in the wrong place, and the work of fixing that. This don't 
happen with a keyboard paste - you don't paste until the cursor is in 
the right place. But it is easy to loose the mouse button momentarily - 
at least with some mice.


Helge Hafting


Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-23 Thread Helge Hafting

On 22. juni 2010 18:11, Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.


LyX has copy+paste using mouse only - at least on linux:

1. Mark the text to be copied
2. Move the mouse to where you want to copy it
3. Press the middle mouse button. (Or both buttons, if your mouse
   only have two buttons.)

Dragging a marked is something I don't miss. The keyboard shortcuts are 
usually much faster than using the mouse - once you get used to them.


The reason: One has to take a hand off the keyboard, and aim the mouse 
carefully. And then move the hand back to the keyboard again. When 
writing, the hands are on the keyboard by default.


None of this is necessary when using keyboard shortcuts. Cut/copy, a few 
cursor keys, paste. It is the faster way in openoffice too,

for that matter.

There is even a disadvantage to text dragging - it makes selecting 
trickier. In LyX, if you select wrong, you can select again immediately. 
You can even re-start selection in the middle of the existing selection. 
This is possible only because selection dragging is not implemented. 
Some mice has limited precision, and occationally mis-selects. Easy to 
fix when there is no dragging.


When there is selection dragging, there is the problem of dropping the 
selection in the wrong place, and the work of fixing that. This don't 
happen with a keyboard paste - you don't paste until the cursor is in 
the right place. But it is easy to loose the mouse button momentarily - 
at least with some mice.


Helge Hafting


Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-23 Thread Helge Hafting

On 22. juni 2010 18:11, Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.


LyX has copy+paste using mouse only - at least on linux:

1. Mark the text to be copied
2. Move the mouse to where you want to copy it
3. Press the middle mouse button. (Or both buttons, if your mouse
   only have two buttons.)

Dragging a marked is something I don't miss. The keyboard shortcuts are 
usually much faster than using the mouse - once you get used to them.


The reason: One has to take a hand off the keyboard, and aim the mouse 
carefully. And then move the hand back to the keyboard again. When 
writing, the hands are on the keyboard by default.


None of this is necessary when using keyboard shortcuts. Cut/copy, a few 
cursor keys, paste. It is the faster way in openoffice too,

for that matter.

There is even a disadvantage to text dragging - it makes selecting 
trickier. In LyX, if you select wrong, you can select again immediately. 
You can even re-start selection in the middle of the existing selection. 
This is possible only because selection dragging is not implemented. 
Some mice has limited precision, and occationally mis-selects. Easy to 
fix when there is no dragging.


When there is selection dragging, there is the problem of dropping the 
selection in the wrong place, and the work of fixing that. This don't 
happen with a keyboard paste - you don't paste until the cursor is in 
the right place. But it is easy to loose the mouse button momentarily - 
at least with some mice.


Helge Hafting


Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Jose A. Rodrigo

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with 
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know 
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very 
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for 
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.



Many thanks!
Jose


Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
 Hi!!
 
 First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
  project!!
 
 It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
 mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
 when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
 useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
 equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.
 
 
 Many thanks!
 Jose

If you all do implement this feature, please include a switch to turn it off. 
Personally I'd prefer it be turned off by default, and if it's turned on by 
default, please widely publicize the change.

The way I work, dragging and dropping of text is a sure way to garble a 
document.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Richard Heck



On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
   

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
  project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.

 
You're welcome to file an enhancement request for this on the bug 
reporter, at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
When it might get done would depend upon whether someone feels compelled 
to do it. Of course, you could always do it yourself


Richard



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Marcelo Acuña
  It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by
 selecting it with
  mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e.
 OpenWriter. Do you know
  when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that
 it will be very
  useful for many users. It will be great if this option
 is available for
  equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and
 paste shortcuts.

 I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and paste 
with shortcuts.

Regards
Marcelo





Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Marcelo Acuña wrote:


I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and
paste with shortcuts.


  Perhaps only for those who are not touch-typists and used to using the
pointy device for everything.

Rich


Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Jose A. Rodrigo

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with 
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know 
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very 
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for 
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.



Many thanks!
Jose


Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
 Hi!!
 
 First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
  project!!
 
 It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
 mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
 when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
 useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
 equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.
 
 
 Many thanks!
 Jose

If you all do implement this feature, please include a switch to turn it off. 
Personally I'd prefer it be turned off by default, and if it's turned on by 
default, please widely publicize the change.

The way I work, dragging and dropping of text is a sure way to garble a 
document.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Richard Heck



On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
   

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
  project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.

 
You're welcome to file an enhancement request for this on the bug 
reporter, at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
When it might get done would depend upon whether someone feels compelled 
to do it. Of course, you could always do it yourself


Richard



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Marcelo Acuña
  It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by
 selecting it with
  mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e.
 OpenWriter. Do you know
  when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that
 it will be very
  useful for many users. It will be great if this option
 is available for
  equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and
 paste shortcuts.

 I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and paste 
with shortcuts.

Regards
Marcelo





Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Marcelo Acuña wrote:


I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and
paste with shortcuts.


  Perhaps only for those who are not touch-typists and used to using the
pointy device for everything.

Rich


Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Jose A. Rodrigo

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with 
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know 
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very 
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for 
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.



Many thanks!
Jose


Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
> Hi!!
> 
> First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
>  project!!
> 
> It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
> mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
> when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
> useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
> equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.
> 
> 
> Many thanks!
> Jose

If you all do implement this feature, please include a switch to turn it off. 
Personally I'd prefer it be turned off by default, and if it's turned on by 
default, please widely publicize the change.

The way I work, dragging and dropping of text is a sure way to garble a 
document.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Richard Heck



On Tuesday 22 June 2010 12:11:57 Jose A. Rodrigo wrote:
   

Hi!!

First of all congratulations for this useful program and brilliant
  project!!

It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by selecting it with
mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e. OpenWriter. Do you know
when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that it will be very
useful for many users. It will be great if this option is available for
equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and paste shortcuts.

 
You're welcome to file an enhancement request for this on the bug 
reporter, at

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
When it might get done would depend upon whether someone feels compelled 
to do it. Of course, you could always do it yourself


Richard



Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Marcelo Acuña
> > It is not possible to drag-and-drop text (just by
> selecting it with
> > mouse pointer) like other text processors i.e.
> OpenWriter. Do you know
> > when this feature will be added to lyx? I think that
> it will be very
> > useful for many users. It will be great if this option
> is available for
> > equation editing as well. Up to now I used copy and
> paste shortcuts.

 I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and paste 
with shortcuts.

Regards
Marcelo





Re: Drag and drop text support on Lyx 1.6.6.1

2010-06-22 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Marcelo Acuña wrote:


I can't see any advantages for mouse drag-and-drop text against copy and
paste with shortcuts.


  Perhaps only for those who are not touch-typists and used to using the
pointy device for everything.

Rich


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Helge Hafting

Johannes Knaus wrote:
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not 
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue, not 
a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse 
hold-and-click it and drag it around by accident.


Openoffice do this now and then. Firefox is very prone to this problem, 
but there it doesn't matter as you aren't actually editing the website.


This is what happens:

1. User selects something with the mouse (click+drag+release)
2. User notices that the selection is slightly wrong. Maybe there is
   a letter too much or too little selected.
3. User tries to re-do the selection. (click+drag). The selection
   is supposed to start in the _same_ position, so it is very easy
   to accidentally grab the wrongly selected text.
4. Seeing things go wrong, the user release the mouse button
   and the text lands somewhere. :-(

5. The smart user does an angry undo, the not so smart try editing
   the document into shape again, the ignorant don't notice what
   happened, and merely select the text to be copied and goes on with
   that.



I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many 
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. 
and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and 
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing this 
feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are new to 
Lyx.


If it can be done so that it isn't so accident prone - fine.


Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be 
just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via 
GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if you 
want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can create any 
trouble by accident.


See above. I do use the mouse for selections now and then, even if I use
ctrl+c and ctrl+v to do the copying. Of course, LyX normally uses a nice 
large font, so it is somewhat less vulnerable to mis-selection.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.



Mouse marking is already implemented. So is copy and cut.
So all it takes is to recognise that the user tries to drag the 
selection, and drop it somewhere. LyX could then:


1. Change the mouse cursor to a drag text cursor, when the drag
   starts.
2. Use the existing copy code that gets called upon ctrl+c.
3. Move the cursor as if the user had clicked the drop location
4. Use the existing paste code as if the user typed ctrl+v

A copy drag might be easy. A move drag may be trickier, as the 
window changes upon cut. The drop location then moves from where

the pointer is.

Perhaps the cut should be done at the beginning of the drag,
so that the drop location will be valid. On the other hand, that
makes aborting the drag harder instead.

Helge Hafting


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Nikos Alexandris
JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to move
selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Marcelo Acuña

 Drag and drop text is one the most annoying
 things I have found with
 word processors.
 It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice,
 and output garbage for people to read.

 I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it 
 and drag it around by accident.

 It is easy. By accident! It happens constantly of many forms.
 Regards
Marcelo


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Am 06.08.2009 um 13:32 schrieb Nikos Alexandris:


JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to  
move

selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



This could be a nice alternative IMHO.

Surely, another shortcut is needed, as Alt+Arrow is jump to the end  
of the next word on the Mac.

So Ctrl+arrow and Alt+arrow do the same right now on a Mac.

Johannes




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Well, the thing with the shortcuts:

Ubuntu: Ctrl+X == Mac: Cmd+X (=the Command-Key, old Mac users still  
call it Apple-Key although there is no Apple on it any more but a  
kind of knot)

and so on.

Ah:
I just tried it in Lyx on MacOSX:
Alt+arrow and Ctrl+arrow do the same thing in Lyx.

In Openoffice on MacOSX they behave differently (right arrow here):
Alt+arrow == jump to the end of the next word
Ctrl+arrow == no function, just as arrows alone
Command+arrow == jump to end of the line

Anyway, when I work with the GIMP on a Mac I have to use Ctrl+X  
instead of Cmd+X, as GIMP runs in a seperate X.org on a Mac.


My Mac-only Editor uses Ctrl/Cmd or Alt+X to jump to the line endings.

I have to learn shortcuts for each App. And when I switch Apps or even  
more when I switch OSes (what I frequently do: I work on a Mac, in the  
Lab we've got a WindowsXP-PC and my Netbook is running Ubuntu) I mix  
it up frequently.


So maybe that's why I prefer to use a mouse: Every program uses  
different shortcuts but the mouse (nearly) always does what I intend.


Greets,
Johannes






Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Helge Hafting

Johannes Knaus wrote:
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not 
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue, not 
a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse 
hold-and-click it and drag it around by accident.


Openoffice do this now and then. Firefox is very prone to this problem, 
but there it doesn't matter as you aren't actually editing the website.


This is what happens:

1. User selects something with the mouse (click+drag+release)
2. User notices that the selection is slightly wrong. Maybe there is
   a letter too much or too little selected.
3. User tries to re-do the selection. (click+drag). The selection
   is supposed to start in the _same_ position, so it is very easy
   to accidentally grab the wrongly selected text.
4. Seeing things go wrong, the user release the mouse button
   and the text lands somewhere. :-(

5. The smart user does an angry undo, the not so smart try editing
   the document into shape again, the ignorant don't notice what
   happened, and merely select the text to be copied and goes on with
   that.



I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many 
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. 
and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and 
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing this 
feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are new to 
Lyx.


If it can be done so that it isn't so accident prone - fine.


Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be 
just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via 
GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if you 
want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can create any 
trouble by accident.


See above. I do use the mouse for selections now and then, even if I use
ctrl+c and ctrl+v to do the copying. Of course, LyX normally uses a nice 
large font, so it is somewhat less vulnerable to mis-selection.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.



Mouse marking is already implemented. So is copy and cut.
So all it takes is to recognise that the user tries to drag the 
selection, and drop it somewhere. LyX could then:


1. Change the mouse cursor to a drag text cursor, when the drag
   starts.
2. Use the existing copy code that gets called upon ctrl+c.
3. Move the cursor as if the user had clicked the drop location
4. Use the existing paste code as if the user typed ctrl+v

A copy drag might be easy. A move drag may be trickier, as the 
window changes upon cut. The drop location then moves from where

the pointer is.

Perhaps the cut should be done at the beginning of the drag,
so that the drop location will be valid. On the other hand, that
makes aborting the drag harder instead.

Helge Hafting


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Nikos Alexandris
JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to move
selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Marcelo Acuña

 Drag and drop text is one the most annoying
 things I have found with
 word processors.
 It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice,
 and output garbage for people to read.

 I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it 
 and drag it around by accident.

 It is easy. By accident! It happens constantly of many forms.
 Regards
Marcelo


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Am 06.08.2009 um 13:32 schrieb Nikos Alexandris:


JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to  
move

selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



This could be a nice alternative IMHO.

Surely, another shortcut is needed, as Alt+Arrow is jump to the end  
of the next word on the Mac.

So Ctrl+arrow and Alt+arrow do the same right now on a Mac.

Johannes




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Well, the thing with the shortcuts:

Ubuntu: Ctrl+X == Mac: Cmd+X (=the Command-Key, old Mac users still  
call it Apple-Key although there is no Apple on it any more but a  
kind of knot)

and so on.

Ah:
I just tried it in Lyx on MacOSX:
Alt+arrow and Ctrl+arrow do the same thing in Lyx.

In Openoffice on MacOSX they behave differently (right arrow here):
Alt+arrow == jump to the end of the next word
Ctrl+arrow == no function, just as arrows alone
Command+arrow == jump to end of the line

Anyway, when I work with the GIMP on a Mac I have to use Ctrl+X  
instead of Cmd+X, as GIMP runs in a seperate X.org on a Mac.


My Mac-only Editor uses Ctrl/Cmd or Alt+X to jump to the line endings.

I have to learn shortcuts for each App. And when I switch Apps or even  
more when I switch OSes (what I frequently do: I work on a Mac, in the  
Lab we've got a WindowsXP-PC and my Netbook is running Ubuntu) I mix  
it up frequently.


So maybe that's why I prefer to use a mouse: Every program uses  
different shortcuts but the mouse (nearly) always does what I intend.


Greets,
Johannes






Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Helge Hafting

Johannes Knaus wrote:
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not 
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue, not 
a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

"Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse 
hold-and-click it and drag it around by accident.


Openoffice do this now and then. Firefox is very prone to this problem, 
but there it doesn't matter as you aren't actually editing the website.


This is what happens:

1. User selects something with the mouse (click+drag+release)
2. User notices that the selection is slightly wrong. Maybe there is
   a letter too much or too little selected.
3. User tries to re-do the selection. (click+drag). The selection
   is supposed to start in the _same_ position, so it is very easy
   to accidentally grab the wrongly selected text.
4. Seeing things go wrong, the user release the mouse button
   and the text lands somewhere. :-(

5. The smart user does an angry undo, the not so smart try editing
   the document into shape again, the ignorant don't notice what
   happened, and merely select the text to be copied and goes on with
   that.



I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many 
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. 
and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and 
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing this 
feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are new to 
Lyx.


If it can be done so that it isn't so accident prone - fine.


Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be 
just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via 
GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if you 
want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can create any 
trouble by accident.


See above. I do use the mouse for selections now and then, even if I use
ctrl+c and ctrl+v to do the copying. Of course, LyX normally uses a nice 
large font, so it is somewhat less vulnerable to mis-selection.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.



Mouse marking is already implemented. So is copy and cut.
So all it takes is to recognise that the user tries to drag the 
selection, and drop it somewhere. LyX could then:


1. Change the mouse cursor to a "drag text" cursor, when the drag
   starts.
2. Use the existing "copy" code that gets called upon ctrl+c.
3. Move the cursor as if the user had clicked the drop location
4. Use the existing "paste" code as if the user typed ctrl+v

A "copy drag" might be easy. A "move drag" may be trickier, as the 
window changes upon "cut". The drop location then moves from where

the pointer is.

Perhaps the cut should be done at the beginning of the drag,
so that the drop location will be valid. On the other hand, that
makes aborting the drag harder instead.

Helge Hafting


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Nikos Alexandris
JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to move
selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Marcelo Acuña

>> "Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying
>> things I have found with
>>>> word processors.
>>>> It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice,
>>>> and output garbage for people to read.
>
> I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it 
> and drag it around by accident.

 It is easy. By accident! It happens constantly of many forms.
 Regards
Marcelo


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Am 06.08.2009 um 13:32 schrieb Nikos Alexandris:


JFYI,

gedit (GNOME's default text editor) has the Alt+Arrow(s) option to  
move

selected line_s_ of text. I find it very convenient.

Nikos



This could be a nice alternative IMHO.

Surely, another shortcut is needed, as Alt+Arrow is "jump to the end  
of the next word" on the Mac.

So Ctrl+arrow and Alt+arrow do the same right now on a Mac.

Johannes




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-08-06 Thread Johannes Knaus

Well, the thing with the shortcuts:

Ubuntu: Ctrl+X == Mac: Cmd+X (=the Command-Key, old Mac users still  
call it "Apple-Key" although there is no Apple on it any more but a  
kind of knot)

and so on.

Ah:
I just tried it in Lyx on MacOSX:
Alt+arrow and Ctrl+arrow do the same thing in Lyx.

In Openoffice on MacOSX they behave differently (right arrow here):
Alt+arrow == jump to the end of the next word
Ctrl+arrow == no function, just as arrows alone
Command+arrow == jump to end of the line

Anyway, when I work with the GIMP on a Mac I have to use Ctrl+X  
instead of Cmd+X, as GIMP runs in a seperate X.org on a Mac.


My Mac-only Editor uses Ctrl/Cmd or Alt+X to jump to the line endings.

I have to learn shortcuts for each App. And when I switch Apps or even  
more when I switch OSes (what I frequently do: I work on a Mac, in the  
Lab we've got a WindowsXP-PC and my Netbook is running Ubuntu) I mix  
it up frequently.


So maybe that's why I prefer to use a mouse: Every program uses  
different shortcuts but the mouse (nearly) always does what I intend.


Greets,
Johannes






Re: Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 1, Steve Litt did say:

 You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use 
 on 
 a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.
Big Snip
 We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
 3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom 
 up 
 for touch typists.

Thank you for the info Steve... Though I'm not so sure that I'm quite right
for those two applications. I am however glad they are out there. I'm
not exactly a professional writer and frankly I wouldn't know what
to do with an outliner... As far as menu applications go you make this
umenu sound interesting. But I prefer to use the command line, usualy from an 
xterm
For example the most common way that I invoke LyX is via a bash
script which amongst other things, opens a half dozen specific .lyx
documents. If I want a generic lyx session I'd use alt+F2 lyxenter 
About the only use I have for an application menu is to find the
ones I don't use often enough to call up on the command line. And
whatever system menu is installed with the linux distro usualy has
most of those. Now if this umenu can be configured to totally ignore the
current position of the mouse pointer, then I will find it a bit more
interesting... (I really dislike it when a menu pattern that began
with the keyboard happens to intersect the mouse and further menu
control keystrokes no longer have the same results as if the
mouse pointer wasn't there...)

But by the way. I'm a far cry from a touch typist the same problems
that make mouse manipulations difficult for me make it down right
painful (quickly leading to numbness) to position my hands and stretch
my fingers to hit the same key with the same finger all the time. If
however I use a slightly more coordinated than a hunt and peck typing
system where at any given time I might use any given finger of either
hand to hit any given key depending on which finger or hand has
had longer to rest... Then I can keypunch for hours and hours before my
hands begin to go numb.

I dislike mouse methods because I can't keep the dang pointer where
I want it, long enough to click on it... And about the only thing
that makes my hand go numb faster than the time I tried to learn
touch typing is continuous mouse operations. Plus labels mean more
to me than icons ever will, and mouse tools seam to love icons...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh




Re: Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 1, Steve Litt did say:

 You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use 
 on 
 a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.
Big Snip
 We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
 3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom 
 up 
 for touch typists.

Thank you for the info Steve... Though I'm not so sure that I'm quite right
for those two applications. I am however glad they are out there. I'm
not exactly a professional writer and frankly I wouldn't know what
to do with an outliner... As far as menu applications go you make this
umenu sound interesting. But I prefer to use the command line, usualy from an 
xterm
For example the most common way that I invoke LyX is via a bash
script which amongst other things, opens a half dozen specific .lyx
documents. If I want a generic lyx session I'd use alt+F2 lyxenter 
About the only use I have for an application menu is to find the
ones I don't use often enough to call up on the command line. And
whatever system menu is installed with the linux distro usualy has
most of those. Now if this umenu can be configured to totally ignore the
current position of the mouse pointer, then I will find it a bit more
interesting... (I really dislike it when a menu pattern that began
with the keyboard happens to intersect the mouse and further menu
control keystrokes no longer have the same results as if the
mouse pointer wasn't there...)

But by the way. I'm a far cry from a touch typist the same problems
that make mouse manipulations difficult for me make it down right
painful (quickly leading to numbness) to position my hands and stretch
my fingers to hit the same key with the same finger all the time. If
however I use a slightly more coordinated than a hunt and peck typing
system where at any given time I might use any given finger of either
hand to hit any given key depending on which finger or hand has
had longer to rest... Then I can keypunch for hours and hours before my
hands begin to go numb.

I dislike mouse methods because I can't keep the dang pointer where
I want it, long enough to click on it... And about the only thing
that makes my hand go numb faster than the time I tried to learn
touch typing is continuous mouse operations. Plus labels mean more
to me than icons ever will, and mouse tools seam to love icons...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh




Re: Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-05 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Aug 1, Steve Litt did say:

> You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use 
> on 
> a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.
<>
> We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
> 3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom 
> up 
> for touch typists.

Thank you for the info Steve... Though I'm not so sure that I'm quite right
for those two applications. I am however glad they are out there. I'm
not exactly a professional writer and frankly I wouldn't know what
to do with an outliner... As far as menu applications go you make this
umenu sound interesting. But I prefer to use the command line, usualy from an 
xterm
For example the most common way that I invoke LyX is via a bash
script which amongst other things, opens a half dozen specific .lyx
documents. If I want a generic lyx session I'd use + lyx 
About the only use I have for an application menu is to find the
ones I don't use often enough to call up on the command line. And
whatever system menu is installed with the linux distro usualy has
most of those. Now if this umenu can be configured to totally ignore the
current position of the mouse pointer, then I will find it a bit more
interesting... (I really dislike it when a menu pattern that began
with the keyboard happens to intersect the mouse and further menu
control keystrokes no longer have the same results as if the
mouse pointer wasn't there...)

But by the way. I'm a far cry from a "touch typist" the same problems
that make mouse manipulations difficult for me make it down right
painful (quickly leading to numbness) to position my hands and stretch
my fingers to hit the same key with the same finger all the time. If
however I use a slightly more coordinated than a hunt and peck typing
system where at any given time I might use any given finger of either
hand to hit any given key depending on which finger or hand has
had longer to rest... Then I can keypunch for hours and hours before my
hands begin to go numb.

I dislike mouse methods because I can't keep the dang pointer where
I want it, long enough to click on it... And about the only thing
that makes my hand go numb faster than the time I tried to learn
touch typing is continuous mouse operations. Plus labels mean more
to me than icons ever will, and mouse tools seam to love icons...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___<>
|   
|  




Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Saturday 01 August 2009 00:12:51 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

 [rant-mode]
 I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
 difficulty dealing with the point N click style dogma that seems
 to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
 instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
 anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
 deleted} rodent...

 But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
 denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
 [/rant-mode]

You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use on 
a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.

Umenu is a keystroke driven menu, which on my system is invoked by the Ctrl+9 
keystroke combination. Then you keystroke through the menu. Unlike many lame 
menu systems, Umenu doesn't require you to needlessly press Enter after each 
choice -- simply pressing the letter corresponding to the command or submenu 
does that command or submenu. Umenu has prompted argument substitution, so it 
can ask you for arguments  which you type in. I use Umenu a heck of a lot more 
often than the system menu that comes with my distribution, and because the 
EMDL file is part of my data, it survives reinstallations.

Umenu is configured with an Easy Menu Definition Language (EMDL) file, which is 
nothing but a tab indented outline. The fastest way to author EMDL is with 
VimOutliner.

VimOutliner is an outline processor atop the Vim engine. It has almost all the 
classic outliner features: Collapse/Expand, Promote/Demote, body text, 
checkboxes, executable lines. It's built from the bottom up for authoring 
speed, so it's LIGHTNING FAST for the touch typist. The slick thing about 
VimOutliner is you can record and organize your thoughts as fast as you can 
think, so you don't lose that thought.

Every book I've written since 2003 began its life in VimOutliner. LyX now has 
an outline mode, and I thank the developers to the heavens for that, but 
VimOutliner is MUCH faster in authoring, so I outline books in VimOutliner. 
Because LyX has such a human readable and parsable native format, I was able 
to develop a script to convert a VimOutliner outline into a LyX document. So 
preliminary outlining is done in the lightning fast VimOutliner, and the 
writing is done in the lightning fast LyX.

We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom up 
for touch typists.

http://www.vimoutliner.org
http://www.troubleshooters.com/umenu

Viva la Keyboard!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Saturday 01 August 2009 00:12:51 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

 [rant-mode]
 I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
 difficulty dealing with the point N click style dogma that seems
 to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
 instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
 anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
 deleted} rodent...

 But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
 denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
 [/rant-mode]

You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use on 
a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.

Umenu is a keystroke driven menu, which on my system is invoked by the Ctrl+9 
keystroke combination. Then you keystroke through the menu. Unlike many lame 
menu systems, Umenu doesn't require you to needlessly press Enter after each 
choice -- simply pressing the letter corresponding to the command or submenu 
does that command or submenu. Umenu has prompted argument substitution, so it 
can ask you for arguments  which you type in. I use Umenu a heck of a lot more 
often than the system menu that comes with my distribution, and because the 
EMDL file is part of my data, it survives reinstallations.

Umenu is configured with an Easy Menu Definition Language (EMDL) file, which is 
nothing but a tab indented outline. The fastest way to author EMDL is with 
VimOutliner.

VimOutliner is an outline processor atop the Vim engine. It has almost all the 
classic outliner features: Collapse/Expand, Promote/Demote, body text, 
checkboxes, executable lines. It's built from the bottom up for authoring 
speed, so it's LIGHTNING FAST for the touch typist. The slick thing about 
VimOutliner is you can record and organize your thoughts as fast as you can 
think, so you don't lose that thought.

Every book I've written since 2003 began its life in VimOutliner. LyX now has 
an outline mode, and I thank the developers to the heavens for that, but 
VimOutliner is MUCH faster in authoring, so I outline books in VimOutliner. 
Because LyX has such a human readable and parsable native format, I was able 
to develop a script to convert a VimOutliner outline into a LyX document. So 
preliminary outlining is done in the lightning fast VimOutliner, and the 
writing is done in the lightning fast LyX.

We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom up 
for touch typists.

http://www.vimoutliner.org
http://www.troubleshooters.com/umenu

Viva la Keyboard!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Keyboard Centrism: was Drag and Drop

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Saturday 01 August 2009 00:12:51 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

> [rant-mode]
> I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
> difficulty dealing with the point N click style "dogma" that seems
> to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
> instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
> anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
> deleted} rodent...
>
> But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
> denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
> [/rant-mode]

You, my friend, are a prime candidate for two free software offerings I use on 
a daily, no, a minutely basis: Umenu and VimOutliner.

Umenu is a keystroke driven menu, which on my system is invoked by the Ctrl+9 
keystroke combination. Then you keystroke through the menu. Unlike many lame 
menu systems, Umenu doesn't require you to needlessly press Enter after each 
choice -- simply pressing the letter corresponding to the command or submenu 
does that command or submenu. Umenu has prompted argument substitution, so it 
can ask you for arguments  which you type in. I use Umenu a heck of a lot more 
often than the system menu that comes with my distribution, and because the 
EMDL file is part of my data, it survives reinstallations.

Umenu is configured with an Easy Menu Definition Language (EMDL) file, which is 
nothing but a tab indented outline. The fastest way to author EMDL is with 
VimOutliner.

VimOutliner is an outline processor atop the Vim engine. It has almost all the 
classic outliner features: Collapse/Expand, Promote/Demote, body text, 
checkboxes, executable lines. It's built from the bottom up for authoring 
speed, so it's LIGHTNING FAST for the touch typist. The slick thing about 
VimOutliner is you can record and organize your thoughts as fast as you can 
think, so you don't "lose that thought."

Every book I've written since 2003 began its life in VimOutliner. LyX now has 
an outline mode, and I thank the developers to the heavens for that, but 
VimOutliner is MUCH faster in authoring, so I outline books in VimOutliner. 
Because LyX has such a human readable and parsable native format, I was able 
to develop a script to convert a VimOutliner outline into a LyX document. So 
preliminary outlining is done in the lightning fast VimOutliner, and the 
writing is done in the lightning fast LyX.

We keyboard types haven't gotten the respect we deserved ever since Windows 
3.0 raised its ugly head, but these two programs were built from the bottom up 
for touch typists.

http://www.vimoutliner.org
http://www.troubleshooters.com/umenu

Viva la Keyboard!

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Marcelo Acuña

 Hello,
 
 Maybe a stupid question:
 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
 mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
 Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
 this the sentence is deselected.

 With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
 Marcelo

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  Hello,
  
  Maybe a stupid question:
  But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
  mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
  Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
  this the sentence is deselected.
 
  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
  Marcelo

Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
selection (selected environments) as well?

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ
Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage for
people to read.
Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   
 Hello,

 Maybe a stupid question:
 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
 mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
 Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
 this the sentence is deselected.
   
  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
  Marcelo
 

 Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
 selection (selected environments) as well?

 Nikos

   


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

 Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
 word processors.
 It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
 for people to read.


I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.

Nikos


 Nikos Alexandris wrote: 
  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:

Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
this the sentence is deselected.
  
   With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
Marcelo
   
  
  Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
  selection (selected environments) as well?
  
  Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Nikos Alexandris wrote:

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:


Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.


Doesn't look any simpler than select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor 
with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V...


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Johannes Knaus
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not  
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue,  
not a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found  
with

word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and- 
click it and drag it around by accident.


I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many  
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's  
o.k. and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and  
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing  
this feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are  
new to Lyx.
Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would  
be just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated  
via GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if  
you want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can  
create any trouble by accident.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really  
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the Lyx- 
feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 
as we have developed own text work area and do not rely on a given text 
widget from Qt.




Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the 
Lyx-feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.


The feature request is very legitimate indeed. A generalized dragdrop 
feature (including from external application) would be welcome.


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 


Hum... this feature is *not* straight forward to implement...

Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 31 July 2009 12:20:27 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Nikos Alexandris wrote:
  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
  Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
  word processors.
  It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
  for people to read.
 
  I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
  title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.

 Doesn't look any simpler than select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor
 with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V...

 Abdel.

Agreed. It's easy as all getout to move text around the current program, with 
Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V, or even the outlining feature (thanks for adding that). I'd 
prioritize a lot of things more than another way to move text around. I'd love 
to have a log of how layouts get loaded (I gave an overview of that in another 
message), and a /usr/share/lyx/configure.py that EXACTLY matches the action of 
Tools-Reconfigure in the LyX environment.

SteveT

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jul 31, Johannes Knaus did say:

 I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it
 and drag it around by accident.

You have never seen *ME* try to use the mouse... Though it is
frequently the easiest way to copy/paste text between applications
when one or more of the source/destination applications do NOT
support  ^C ^V and shifted arrows for marking... I for one would
find it umm frustrating if some text automatically relocated because
I was being a klutz while attempting to drag the the mouse pointer
across a range of text to copy to the (gpm?) buffer some text I
wanted to paste into an xterm.
 
 I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many people use
 Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. and that's what
 I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.

I for one am glad many people use that technique, It means it's
unlikely that LyX's keyboard control methods will be phased out any
time soon.

 Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be just
 another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via GUI). Still,
# --- --- -- -- ^^ ^^ ^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^-- --

When you said this however you got my vote. Just as long as the
feature *CAN* be deactivated by the user... 

[rant-mode]
I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
difficulty dealing with the point N click style dogma that seems
to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
deleted} rodent...

But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
[/rant-mode]

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Marcelo Acuña

 Hello,
 
 Maybe a stupid question:
 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
 mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
 Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
 this the sentence is deselected.

 With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
 Marcelo

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  Hello,
  
  Maybe a stupid question:
  But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
  mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
  Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
  this the sentence is deselected.
 
  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
  Marcelo

Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
selection (selected environments) as well?

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ
Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage for
people to read.
Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   
 Hello,

 Maybe a stupid question:
 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
 mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
 Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
 this the sentence is deselected.
   
  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
  Marcelo
 

 Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
 selection (selected environments) as well?

 Nikos

   


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

 Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
 word processors.
 It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
 for people to read.


I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.

Nikos


 Nikos Alexandris wrote: 
  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:

Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
this the sentence is deselected.
  
   With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
Marcelo
   
  
  Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
  selection (selected environments) as well?
  
  Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Nikos Alexandris wrote:

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:


Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.


Doesn't look any simpler than select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor 
with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V...


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Johannes Knaus
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not  
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue,  
not a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found  
with

word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and- 
click it and drag it around by accident.


I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many  
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's  
o.k. and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and  
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing  
this feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are  
new to Lyx.
Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would  
be just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated  
via GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if  
you want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can  
create any trouble by accident.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really  
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the Lyx- 
feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 
as we have developed own text work area and do not rely on a given text 
widget from Qt.




Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the 
Lyx-feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.


The feature request is very legitimate indeed. A generalized dragdrop 
feature (including from external application) would be welcome.


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 


Hum... this feature is *not* straight forward to implement...

Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 31 July 2009 12:20:27 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Nikos Alexandris wrote:
  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
  Drag and drop text is one the most annoying things I have found with
  word processors.
  It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
  for people to read.
 
  I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
  title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.

 Doesn't look any simpler than select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor
 with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V...

 Abdel.

Agreed. It's easy as all getout to move text around the current program, with 
Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V, or even the outlining feature (thanks for adding that). I'd 
prioritize a lot of things more than another way to move text around. I'd love 
to have a log of how layouts get loaded (I gave an overview of that in another 
message), and a /usr/share/lyx/configure.py that EXACTLY matches the action of 
Tools-Reconfigure in the LyX environment.

SteveT

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jul 31, Johannes Knaus did say:

 I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it
 and drag it around by accident.

You have never seen *ME* try to use the mouse... Though it is
frequently the easiest way to copy/paste text between applications
when one or more of the source/destination applications do NOT
support  ^C ^V and shifted arrows for marking... I for one would
find it umm frustrating if some text automatically relocated because
I was being a klutz while attempting to drag the the mouse pointer
across a range of text to copy to the (gpm?) buffer some text I
wanted to paste into an xterm.
 
 I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many people use
 Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. and that's what
 I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.

I for one am glad many people use that technique, It means it's
unlikely that LyX's keyboard control methods will be phased out any
time soon.

 Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be just
 another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via GUI). Still,
# --- --- -- -- ^^ ^^ ^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^-- --

When you said this however you got my vote. Just as long as the
feature *CAN* be deactivated by the user... 

[rant-mode]
I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
difficulty dealing with the point N click style dogma that seems
to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
deleted} rodent...

But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
[/rant-mode]

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Marcelo Acuña

> Hello,
> 
> Maybe a stupid question:
> But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
> mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
> Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
> this the sentence is deselected.

 With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
 Marcelo

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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Maybe a stupid question:
> > But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
> > mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
> > Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
> > this the sentence is deselected.
> 
>  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
>  Marcelo

Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
selection (selected environments) as well?

Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ
"Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage for
people to read.
Nikos Alexandris wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
>   
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Maybe a stupid question:
>>> But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
>>> mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
>>> Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
>>> this the sentence is deselected.
>>>   
>>  With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
>>  Marcelo
>> 
>
> Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
> selection (selected environments) as well?
>
> Nikos
>
>   


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Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Nikos Alexandris

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:

> "Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found with
> word processors.
> It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
> for people to read.


I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.

Nikos


> Nikos Alexandris wrote: 
> > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:12 -0700, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> >   
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe a stupid question:
> > > > But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the
> > > > mouse, but I cannot drag this selected sentence around in
> > > > Lyx, e.g. placing it in the paragraph above. Everytime I try
> > > > this the sentence is deselected.
> > > >   
> > > With alt + arrow up (arrow down) you get to move the paragraph.
> > >  Marcelo
> > > 
> > 
> > Wouldn't it be useful to extend this functionality to move around a
> > selection (selected environments) as well?
> > 
> > Nikos



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Nikos Alexandris wrote:

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:


"Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found with
word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.


Doesn't look any simpler than "select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor 
with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V"...


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Johannes Knaus
First of all, I simply didn't realize that mouse drag'n'drop did not  
work in Lyx and thought this could maybe a platform specific issue,  
not a general one.



On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
"Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found  
with

word processors.
It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
for people to read.



I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and- 
click it and drag it around by accident.


I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many  
people use Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's  
o.k. and that's what I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.
My point is: Drag and drop is something many Mac Users (I am one) and  
Windows users may be very used to in everyday work. So implementing  
this feature would make Lyx a little easier to work with when you are  
new to Lyx.
Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would  
be just another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated  
via GUI). Still, I don't see the problem in having this feature – if  
you want to use it, use it, if not, don't. I don't think this can  
create any trouble by accident.


It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really  
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the Lyx- 
feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 
as we have developed own text work area and do not rely on a given text 
widget from Qt.




Another thing is that is maybe not the most urgent feature on the 
Lyx-feature-wish-list. That's o.k. It was only a question.

Still, voting for it is legitimate.


The feature request is very legitimate indeed. A generalized drag 
feature (including from external application) would be welcome.


Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

Johannes Knaus wrote:
It certainly would be a problem, if implementing this feature really 
costs a lot of time. I simply don't know this as I'm not a programmer.


To answer your question, this feature is straight forward to implement 


Hum... "this feature is *not* straight forward to implement"...

Abdel.



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 31 July 2009 12:20:27 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Nikos Alexandris wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:43 -0400, Michael Joyner:
> >> "Drag and drop" text is one the most annoying things I have found with
> >> word processors.
> >> It is too easy to do it by accident, not notice, and output garbage
> >> for people to read.
> >
> > I don't mean drag-n-drop with the mouse. I mean select 2 lines (say
> > title and it's text) and move it with Alt + arrow.
>
> Doesn't look any simpler than "select 2 lines, Ctr+X, move the cursor
> with arrows or mouse and Ctrl+V"...
>
> Abdel.

Agreed. It's easy as all getout to move text around the current program, with 
Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V, or even the outlining feature (thanks for adding that). I'd 
prioritize a lot of things more than another way to move text around. I'd love 
to have a log of how layouts get loaded (I gave an overview of that in another 
message), and a /usr/share/lyx/configure.py that EXACTLY matches the action of 
Tools->Reconfigure in the LyX environment.

SteveT

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http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-31 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook

It would appear that on Jul 31, Johannes Knaus did say:

> I can't imagine how one could mark some text with the mouse hold-and-click it
> and drag it around by accident.

You have never seen *ME* try to use the mouse... Though it is
frequently the easiest way to copy/paste text between applications
when one or more of the source/destination applications do NOT
support  ^C ^V and shifted arrows for marking... I for one would
find it umm frustrating if some text automatically relocated because
I was being a klutz while attempting to drag the the mouse pointer
across a range of text to copy to the (gpm?) buffer some text I
wanted to paste into an xterm.
 
> I think the discussion on going on here is somewhat dogmatic. Many people use
> Ctrl+X and then Ctrl+V to shift textparts around. That's o.k. and that's what
> I do as I have no other chance in Lyx to do this.

I for one am glad many people use that technique, It means it's
unlikely that LyX's keyboard control methods will be phased out any
time soon.

> Those who don't like drag and drop are not forced to use it, it would be just
> another editing option (maybe to be activated or deactivated via GUI). Still,
# --- --- -- -- ^^ ^^ ^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^-- --

When you said this however you got my vote. Just as long as the
feature *CAN* be deactivated by the user... 

[rant-mode]
I might be a keyboard centric computer user who is always having
difficulty dealing with the point N click style "dogma" that seems
to say that if you make it easy for mouse centric users to click
instead of keypunching, then it's OK if you can't do something
anymore without resorting to that {many paragraphs of expletives
deleted} rodent...

But that doesn't mean that I think mouse centric users should be
denied point n click methods I just don't want them pushed on me.
[/rant-mode]

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Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I  
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in  
the paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.
As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected in Lyx or is it a  
bug? Do I have to press another button to drag and drop?


OS: Mac OSX 10.5 (Intel)
Lyx: 1.6.3

Thanks for your help.

Johannes
--

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong?
Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one  
night. (Charlie Brown)





RE: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
is deselected.

As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected
in Lyx or is it a bug?

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cutpaste anyway.

Vincent


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cutpaste anyway.

Vincent



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?
I'm not a programmer, so I really can't even guess how much work this  
would mean.
IMHO this would be really a nice feature. I'm quite used to it; in  
nearly all Applications I regularly use (even in the Editor I use for  
basic python scripts) I can do this internal drag and drop.


How do others think about this?



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Johannes Knaus wrote:
 So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

There's already a feature request for this:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5643

Jürgen


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Ignacio García
Johannes Knaus wrote Wed, 29 Jul 2009

 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
 with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
 sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
 paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
 is deselected.

 So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

 How do others think about this?

I think it's already a wanted feature.
Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki page?
Have a look at this  page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll
(7.4, 7.5)

In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_

Ignacio


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ignacio Garc?a wrote:


But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?



How do others think about this?



I think it's already a wanted feature. Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki
page? Have a look at this page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll (7.4, 7.5)



In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_


  I don't see where I can add my name to not include this feature. Using the
keyboard to cut/copy and paste works well and is common in the UNIX
environment. Developers have more important issues for their attention.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863


Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I  
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in  
the paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.
As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected in Lyx or is it a  
bug? Do I have to press another button to drag and drop?


OS: Mac OSX 10.5 (Intel)
Lyx: 1.6.3

Thanks for your help.

Johannes
--

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong?
Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one  
night. (Charlie Brown)





RE: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
is deselected.

As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected
in Lyx or is it a bug?

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cutpaste anyway.

Vincent


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cutpaste anyway.

Vincent



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?
I'm not a programmer, so I really can't even guess how much work this  
would mean.
IMHO this would be really a nice feature. I'm quite used to it; in  
nearly all Applications I regularly use (even in the Editor I use for  
basic python scripts) I can do this internal drag and drop.


How do others think about this?



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Johannes Knaus wrote:
 So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

There's already a feature request for this:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5643

Jürgen


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Ignacio García
Johannes Knaus wrote Wed, 29 Jul 2009

 But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
 with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
 sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
 paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
 is deselected.

 So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

 How do others think about this?

I think it's already a wanted feature.
Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki page?
Have a look at this  page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll
(7.4, 7.5)

In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_

Ignacio


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ignacio Garc?a wrote:


But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?



How do others think about this?



I think it's already a wanted feature. Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki
page? Have a look at this page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll (7.4, 7.5)



In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_


  I don't see where I can add my name to not include this feature. Using the
keyboard to cut/copy and paste works well and is common in the UNIX
environment. Developers have more important issues for their attention.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863


Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Hello,

Maybe a stupid question:
But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I  
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in  
the paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.
As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected in Lyx or is it a  
bug? Do I have to press another button to drag and drop?


OS: Mac OSX 10.5 (Intel)
Lyx: 1.6.3

Thanks for your help.

Johannes
--

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"
Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one  
night." (Charlie Brown)





RE: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
>Hello,
>
>Maybe a stupid question:
>But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
>with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
>sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
>paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
>is deselected.
>
>As I don't remember well: Is this behaviour expected
>in Lyx or is it a bug?

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cut anyway.

Vincent


Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Johannes Knaus

Let's call it a missing feature.

Personally, I'd prefer to cut anyway.

Vincent



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?
I'm not a programmer, so I really can't even guess how much work this  
would mean.
IMHO this would be really a nice feature. I'm quite used to it; in  
nearly all Applications I regularly use (even in the Editor I use for  
basic python scripts) I can do this internal drag and drop.


How do others think about this?



Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Johannes Knaus wrote:
> So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

There's already a feature request for this:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5643

Jürgen


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Ignacio García
Johannes Knaus wrote Wed, 29 Jul 2009

>>> But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence
>>> with the mouse, but I cannot drag this selected
>>> sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
>>> paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence
>>> is deselected.

> So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?

> How do others think about this?

I think it's already a wanted feature.
Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki page?
Have a look at this  page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll
(7.4, 7.5)

In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_

Ignacio


Re: Re: Drag and Drop

2009-07-29 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ignacio Garc?a wrote:


But I realized that I can select/mark a sentence with the mouse, but I
cannot drag this selected sentence around in Lyx, e.g. placing it in the
paragraph above. Everytime I try this the sentence is deselected.



So, would this be a good idea to propose this for future Lyx versions?



How do others think about this?



I think it's already a wanted feature. Do you know the FeaturePoll wiki
page? Have a look at this page if you want
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll (7.4, 7.5)



In this page you can _Vote for the feature YOU would like to see included!_


  I don't see where I can add my name to not include this feature. Using the
keyboard to cut/copy and paste works well and is common in the UNIX
environment. Developers have more important issues for their attention.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863


drag-and-drop with non-ascii characters

2005-09-11 Thread Pol

Hi,

I was not able to copy a file by drag and drop from konqueror into the 
lyx editor, since the non-ascii character in the file name (an accented 
letter, in my case) is erased during the procedure.

Is it possible to fix that?

I do not know if it is a lyx or kde related issue, so i am sending to 
both discussion forums.


thank you

--pol



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