Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-20 Thread Jerry

On Dec 20, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:

> Am 20.12.2013 um 05:02 schrieb Jerry :
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 19.12.2013 um 01:25 schrieb Jerry :
>>> 
 
> 
> I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
> understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  
> > Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.
 
 On OS X, the equivalent is apparently File -> New from Template... . When 
 this is done, one is taken by file browser to 
 /Users/someuser/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates/ where the 
 only file is defaults.lyx.
 
 On OS X, an application package (aka bundle) is a special directory with a 
 specified structure of subdirectories. See
 https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/distributing/distibuting.html
 For example, from the directory's root, the executable is always in the 
 same (relative) location. To the user, the special directory looks like an 
 application (icon) and when s/he double clicks on it, instead of opening 
 the folder to reveal its contents, the OS instead launches the application 
 inside it. This approach allows for easy distribution of most software; 
 LyX is installed by dragging a single icon from the distribution image 
 anywhere onto a disk.
 
 Any other code or resources may be stored in this directory structure, and 
 LyX stores examples and templates in this structure. So doing File -> New 
 From Template ... should open the file browser to the appropriate 
 directory in this application package, not to the Application Support 
 folder for LyX.
>>> 
>>> This is an old and not so easy to solve problem. There are tickets for it 
>>> in the trac system, e.g. here: 
>>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7896
>>> 
>>> We have two places to look for templates: user templates and system 
>>> templates.
>>> IMHO, the Linux "Open file dialog" has an additional button to navigate to 
>>> the 
>>> system templates location. This button is not provided with the native OSX
>>> open file dialog and the home-brewed LyX open file dialog is not usable on 
>>> OSX.
>>> 
>>> The location of the system templates isn't well known either. You may have 
>>> more 
>>> than one LyX on your system. It has to be passed to the open file dialog at 
>>> runtime.
>>> These LyX packages may have different versions and therefor different 
>>> templates.
>>> 
>>> The best solution would be a dynamically created entry in the left side bar 
>>> of the
>>> native open file dialog. But I didn't find any API for it documented nor 
>>> any working
>>> example. It looks like the Finder only is able to create such entries.
>>> 
>>> The next idea is to add an button to the standard open file dialog, but I 
>>> don't have
>>> the skills to do this until now.
>>> 
>>> Stephan
>> 
>> That shouldn't be necessary.
>> 
>> First, the more-or-less random location of the LyX application bundle icon 
>> (the special directory that I double-click on to launch LyX) is
>> /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/
>> 
>> Now, in Preferences -> Paths, the following appears. I did not edit these.
>> Document Templates:
>> /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
>> Example Files:
>> /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
>> 2/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/
>> 
>> I did not edit either of these. Yet, the Example Files path correctly points 
>> inside the LyX bundle whose root is LyX.app. And the Document Templates path 
>> incorrectly points to another location where the only template file is 
>> default.lyx (which was apparently installed there by the LyX program itself).
>> 
>> Now, I'll quit LyX, move the LyX icon into a dummy folder that I'll call 
>> Dummy_Folder which is just one level deeper from where it was, so that the 
>> path to the LyX icon is now 
>> /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/Dummy_Folder/
>> and restart LyX, then look again at the paths.
>> 
>> Document Templates:
>> /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
>> Example Files:
>> /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
>> 2/Dummy_Folder/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/
>> 
>> So somehow the program is discovering where it is on my disk and 
>> automatically inserting the correct path for the examples, but the templates 
>> path is hardwired (to the wrong place), and not getting updated.
>> 
>> So all that is necessary to fix this problem is to find the code that 
>> updates the examples path and apply it to the templates path.
> 
> IMHO, you missed the point that LyX has two locations for templates but only 
> one for examples.

Well, I kind of did miss that point. But it remains that the current situation 
gives the user nothing when doing Files -> New from Template... .

So how about having 

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 20.12.2013 um 05:02 schrieb Jerry :

> 
> On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> 
>> Am 19.12.2013 um 01:25 schrieb Jerry :
>> 
>>> 
 
 I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
 understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  
 > Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.
>>> 
>>> On OS X, the equivalent is apparently File -> New from Template... . When 
>>> this is done, one is taken by file browser to 
>>> /Users/someuser/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates/ where the 
>>> only file is defaults.lyx.
>>> 
>>> On OS X, an application package (aka bundle) is a special directory with a 
>>> specified structure of subdirectories. See
>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/distributing/distibuting.html
>>> For example, from the directory's root, the executable is always in the 
>>> same (relative) location. To the user, the special directory looks like an 
>>> application (icon) and when s/he double clicks on it, instead of opening 
>>> the folder to reveal its contents, the OS instead launches the application 
>>> inside it. This approach allows for easy distribution of most software; LyX 
>>> is installed by dragging a single icon from the distribution image anywhere 
>>> onto a disk.
>>> 
>>> Any other code or resources may be stored in this directory structure, and 
>>> LyX stores examples and templates in this structure. So doing File -> New 
>>> From Template ... should open the file browser to the appropriate directory 
>>> in this application package, not to the Application Support folder for LyX.
>> 
>> This is an old and not so easy to solve problem. There are tickets for it in 
>> the trac system, e.g. here: 
>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7896
>> 
>> We have two places to look for templates: user templates and system 
>> templates.
>> IMHO, the Linux "Open file dialog" has an additional button to navigate to 
>> the 
>> system templates location. This button is not provided with the native OSX
>> open file dialog and the home-brewed LyX open file dialog is not usable on 
>> OSX.
>> 
>> The location of the system templates isn't well known either. You may have 
>> more 
>> than one LyX on your system. It has to be passed to the open file dialog at 
>> runtime.
>> These LyX packages may have different versions and therefor different 
>> templates.
>> 
>> The best solution would be a dynamically created entry in the left side bar 
>> of the
>> native open file dialog. But I didn't find any API for it documented nor any 
>> working
>> example. It looks like the Finder only is able to create such entries.
>> 
>> The next idea is to add an button to the standard open file dialog, but I 
>> don't have
>> the skills to do this until now.
>> 
>> Stephan
> 
> That shouldn't be necessary.
> 
> First, the more-or-less random location of the LyX application bundle icon 
> (the special directory that I double-click on to launch LyX) is
>  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/
> 
> Now, in Preferences -> Paths, the following appears. I did not edit these.
> Document Templates:
>  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
> Example Files:
>  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
> 2/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/
> 
> I did not edit either of these. Yet, the Example Files path correctly points 
> inside the LyX bundle whose root is LyX.app. And the Document Templates path 
> incorrectly points to another location where the only template file is 
> default.lyx (which was apparently installed there by the LyX program itself).
> 
> Now, I'll quit LyX, move the LyX icon into a dummy folder that I'll call 
> Dummy_Folder which is just one level deeper from where it was, so that the 
> path to the LyX icon is now 
>  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/Dummy_Folder/
> and restart LyX, then look again at the paths.
> 
> Document Templates:
>  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
> Example Files:
>  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
> 2/Dummy_Folder/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/
> 
> So somehow the program is discovering where it is on my disk and 
> automatically inserting the correct path for the examples, but the templates 
> path is hardwired (to the wrong place), and not getting updated.
> 
> So all that is necessary to fix this problem is to find the code that updates 
> the examples path and apply it to the templates path.

IMHO, you missed the point that LyX has two locations for templates but only 
one for examples.

Of course it's possible to make templates lookup behaving like examples. 
Perhaps this is better
than the current state. But you'll loose the direct access to your user 
templates.

Stephan

> 
> Or alternately, have the templates installed in (assuming a user named jb)
>  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-19 Thread Jerry

On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:

> Am 19.12.2013 um 01:25 schrieb Jerry :
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
>>> understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  > 
>>> Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.
>> 
>> On OS X, the equivalent is apparently File -> New from Template... . When 
>> this is done, one is taken by file browser to 
>> /Users/someuser/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates/ where the 
>> only file is defaults.lyx.
>> 
>> On OS X, an application package (aka bundle) is a special directory with a 
>> specified structure of subdirectories. See
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/distributing/distibuting.html
>> For example, from the directory's root, the executable is always in the same 
>> (relative) location. To the user, the special directory looks like an 
>> application (icon) and when s/he double clicks on it, instead of opening the 
>> folder to reveal its contents, the OS instead launches the application 
>> inside it. This approach allows for easy distribution of most software; LyX 
>> is installed by dragging a single icon from the distribution image anywhere 
>> onto a disk.
>> 
>> Any other code or resources may be stored in this directory structure, and 
>> LyX stores examples and templates in this structure. So doing File -> New 
>> From Template ... should open the file browser to the appropriate directory 
>> in this application package, not to the Application Support folder for LyX.
> 
> This is an old and not so easy to solve problem. There are tickets for it in 
> the trac system, e.g. here: 
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7896
> 
> We have two places to look for templates: user templates and system templates.
> IMHO, the Linux "Open file dialog" has an additional button to navigate to 
> the 
> system templates location. This button is not provided with the native OSX
> open file dialog and the home-brewed LyX open file dialog is not usable on 
> OSX.
> 
> The location of the system templates isn't well known either. You may have 
> more 
> than one LyX on your system. It has to be passed to the open file dialog at 
> runtime.
> These LyX packages may have different versions and therefor different 
> templates.
> 
> The best solution would be a dynamically created entry in the left side bar 
> of the
> native open file dialog. But I didn't find any API for it documented nor any 
> working
> example. It looks like the Finder only is able to create such entries.
> 
> The next idea is to add an button to the standard open file dialog, but I 
> don't have
> the skills to do this until now.
> 
> Stephan

That shouldn't be necessary.

First, the more-or-less random location of the LyX application bundle icon (the 
special directory that I double-click on to launch LyX) is
  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/

Now, in Preferences -> Paths, the following appears. I did not edit these.
Document Templates:
  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
Example Files:
  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
2/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/

I did not edit either of these. Yet, the Example Files path correctly points 
inside the LyX bundle whose root is LyX.app. And the Document Templates path 
incorrectly points to another location where the only template file is 
default.lyx (which was apparently installed there by the LyX program itself).

Now, I'll quit LyX, move the LyX icon into a dummy folder that I'll call 
Dummy_Folder which is just one level deeper from where it was, so that the path 
to the LyX icon is now 
  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 2/Dummy_Folder/
and restart LyX, then look again at the paths.

Document Templates:
  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
Example Files:
  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
2/Dummy_Folder/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/examples/

So somehow the program is discovering where it is on my disk and automatically 
inserting the correct path for the examples, but the templates path is 
hardwired (to the wrong place), and not getting updated.

So all that is necessary to fix this problem is to find the code that updates 
the examples path and apply it to the templates path.

Or alternately, have the templates installed in (assuming a user named jb)
  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates
and, for consistency, the examples installed in
  /Users/jb/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/examples
and hardwire both paths to each of these locations, respectively.

I don't care which it is but both should be easy to do.

The current work-around is to manually hardwire the Document Templates path to
  /Applications/Words/LyXOuterFolder/LyX 2.1.0 beta 
2/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/templates/
and then remember to change it if the application moves.

Jerry

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.12.2013 um 01:25 schrieb Jerry :

> 
>> 
>> I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
>> understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  > 
>> Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.
> 
> On OS X, the equivalent is apparently File -> New from Template... . When 
> this is done, one is taken by file browser to 
> /Users/someuser/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates/ where the only 
> file is defaults.lyx.
> 
> On OS X, an application package (aka bundle) is a special directory with a 
> specified structure of subdirectories. See
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/distributing/distibuting.html
> For example, from the directory's root, the executable is always in the same 
> (relative) location. To the user, the special directory looks like an 
> application (icon) and when s/he double clicks on it, instead of opening the 
> folder to reveal its contents, the OS instead launches the application inside 
> it. This approach allows for easy distribution of most software; LyX is 
> installed by dragging a single icon from the distribution image anywhere onto 
> a disk.
> 
> Any other code or resources may be stored in this directory structure, and 
> LyX stores examples and templates in this structure. So doing File -> New 
> From Template ... should open the file browser to the appropriate directory 
> in this application package, not to the Application Support folder for LyX.

This is an old and not so easy to solve problem. There are tickets for it in 
the trac system, e.g. here: 
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7896

We have two places to look for templates: user templates and system templates.
IMHO, the Linux "Open file dialog" has an additional button to navigate to the 
system templates location. This button is not provided with the native OSX
open file dialog and the home-brewed LyX open file dialog is not usable on OSX.

The location of the system templates isn't well known either. You may have more 
than one LyX on your system. It has to be passed to the open file dialog at 
runtime.
These LyX packages may have different versions and therefor different templates.

The best solution would be a dynamically created entry in the left side bar of 
the
native open file dialog. But I didn't find any API for it documented nor any 
working
example. It looks like the Finder only is able to create such entries.

The next idea is to add an button to the standard open file dialog, but I don't 
have
the skills to do this until now.

Stephan

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-18 Thread Jerry

On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:36 AM, John Kane  wrote:

> I kinda see the problem but it looks to me like IEEEtran-Conference.lyx is 
> simply a customized layout for the IEEtrans class so essentially this means 
> that you can create a conference layout from that document class. It is 
> pretty basic with nothing more than one entry in the LaTeX preamble about 
> subfigure layouts.

I don't fully understand this so I can't comment usefully--the extent of my 
knowledge right now is that "class" is  LaTeX thing and "layout" is LyX thing 
that defines how LyX draws the document on-screen.

The IEEE apparently has slightly different requirements for journals 
(frequently called transactions) and conferences. I've looked into 
IEEEtrans.cls a bit and it seems that there is a "conference" option or mode, 
possibly related to the term \ifCLASSOPTIONconference\. I don't know whether 
this requires a separate layout for LyX or whether it requires a separate menu 
item in the Document Class pop-up. (However, there are Document Class separate 
Document Class menu items for the other IEEE variants, Computer Society and 
Magnetics, and these too appear as options within the IEEEtrans.cls.) I suspect 
that a person with a little more LaTeX skills could figure this out pretty 
quickly from the following links.

* For Transactions and Journals
http://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/authors/author_templates.html

* For Conferences
http://www.ieee.org/conferences_events/conferences/publishing/templates.html

* Quick details on IEEEtran (linked from the above)
http://www.ieee.org/documents/LaTeX_letter5March2007.pdf

* More details linked from the above PDF:
http://www.michaelshell.org/tex/ieeetran/

* CTAN link (current version is 1.8)
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/IEEEtran/

* And (finally), the official How-To manual at CTAN
http://mirrors.rit.edu/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/IEEEtran/IEEEtran_HOWTO.pdf
Search this PDF for "Conference Mode Details:"

> 
> I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
> understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  > 
> Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.

On OS X, the equivalent is apparently File -> New from Template... . When this 
is done, one is taken by file browser to /Users/someuser/Library/Application 
Support/LyX-2.1/templates/ where the only file is defaults.lyx.

On OS X, an application package (aka bundle) is a special directory with a 
specified structure of subdirectories. See
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/distributing/distibuting.html
For example, from the directory's root, the executable is always in the same 
(relative) location. To the user, the special directory looks like an 
application (icon) and when s/he double clicks on it, instead of opening the 
folder to reveal its contents, the OS instead launches the application inside 
it. This approach allows for easy distribution of most software; LyX is 
installed by dragging a single icon from the distribution image anywhere onto a 
disk.

Any other code or resources may be stored in this directory structure, and LyX 
stores examples and templates in this structure. So doing File -> New From 
Template ... should open the file browser to the appropriate directory in this 
application package, not to the Application Support folder for LyX.

> 
> Is it possible that you misread the notice and it meant that there was now a 
> Template for IEEEtran-Conference and not that there was a new document class? 
>  

Yes it is possible that I misread--that's what I do. 8^) Here is the whole 
quote from the LyX wiki:
"LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also contributions to 
IEEE conferences, IEEE Computer Science publications and the journal IEEE 
Transactions on Magnetics. See the corresponding LyX template files for a brief 
description. Contributed by Uwe Stöhr." So yes, it does say, see the template 
file. But instead I looked at the Document Class popup and saw three other IEEE 
entires (two new relative to 2.0.6) but no IEEE conference item.

> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:41:37 AM, Jerry  
> wrote:
> 
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:24 AM, John Kane  wrote:
> 
> > I see something called IEETran-Conference.lyx in the templates folder with 
> > LyX2.1 beta under Ubuntu 13.10. 
> 
> OK, here's what I'm seeing. When I look in the Documents -> Settings -> 
> Document Class I expected to see something like IEEE Conferences. What I did 
> see was IEEE Transactions, IEEE Transactions Computer Society, and IEEE 
> Transactions on Magnetics, but nothing like IEEE Conferences. 
> 
> However, when I look where the templates are stored, I see four IEEE .lyx 
> files: IEEEtran-CompSoc.lyx, IEEEtran-Conference.lyx, IEEEtran-Journal.lyx, 
> IEEEtran-TransMag.lyx, and indeed the IEEEtran-Conference.lyx opens and 
> displays what I suppose is expected.
> 
>

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-18 Thread John Kane
I kinda see the problem but it looks to me like IEEEtran-Conference.lyx is 
simply a customized layout for the IEEtrans class so essentially this means 
that you can create a conference layout from that document class. It is pretty 
basic with nothing more than one entry in the LaTeX preamble about subfigure 
layouts.

I'm using Ubuntu and don't know anything about the modern Macs so I don't 
understand the problem with locating the templates.  I just went to File  > 
Open from templates > and found the appropriate template.

Is it possible that you misread the notice and it meant that there was now a 
Template for IEEEtran-Conference and not that there was a new document class?  





On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:41:37 AM, Jerry  wrote:
 

On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:24 AM, John Kane  wrote:

> I see something called IEETran-Conference.lyx in the templates folder with 
> LyX2.1 beta under Ubuntu 13.10. 

OK, here's what I'm seeing. When I look in the Documents -> Settings -> 
Document Class I expected to see something like IEEE Conferences. What I did 
see was IEEE Transactions, IEEE Transactions Computer Society, and IEEE 
Transactions on Magnetics, but nothing like IEEE Conferences. 

However, when I look where the templates are stored, I see four IEEE .lyx 
files: IEEEtran-CompSoc.lyx, IEEEtran-Conference.lyx, IEEEtran-Journal.lyx, 
IEEEtran-TransMag.lyx, and indeed the IEEEtran-Conference.lyx opens and 
displays what I suppose is expected.

So the _template_ is present but the _document_class_ item in the Document 
Class pop-up is missing.

Finally, in Preferences -> Paths, the "Document templates:" path is
"/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates" 
but the templates are stored in the LyX.app _packge_,
/path/to/LyX/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/templates/
and so one must (1) discover the discrepancy, and (2) navigate to the proper 
directory.

I'll add that the path to the examples does lead to inside the application 
package, where they are stored. However, I don't see any way to access the 
examples from the LyX program, so I'm not sure how the user would access them 
because the Mac user is not expected to dive into the application package 
directly--if something in the app package is accessible by menu, such as is the 
templates (File -> New From Template), then that seems OK. (Many of not most 
Mac users don't even know that they can look inside the app package.) One 
possible menu choice would be under Help, even if all it did was to open a file 
browser in the proper place.

I believe that I've seen this subject (where to store stuff like templates and 
examples) discussed on either this list or the dev list. I think either is OK 
but the path needs to be made consistent with the actual location, and the 
stuff made accessible by menu.

Jerry


> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:51:07 AM, Jerry  wrote:
> 
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Jerry  wrote:
>> At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says 
>> that "LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also 
>> contributions to IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I 
>> don't see the IEEE conferences class listed.
>> 
>> Jerry
>>  
>> On which platform are you ?
>>  
>> Vincent
>>  
>> 
> Sorry for the slow reply.
> 
> I'm on OS X 10.8.5, Mountain Lion. Sorry, I should have mentioned that but 
> this problem didn't seem OS-specific.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-18 Thread Jerry

On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:24 AM, John Kane  wrote:

> I see something called IEETran-Conference.lyx in the templates folder with 
> LyX2.1 beta under Ubuntu 13.10. 

OK, here's what I'm seeing. When I look in the Documents -> Settings -> 
Document Class I expected to see something like IEEE Conferences. What I did 
see was IEEE Transactions, IEEE Transactions Computer Society, and IEEE 
Transactions on Magnetics, but nothing like IEEE Conferences. 

However, when I look where the templates are stored, I see four IEEE .lyx 
files: IEEEtran-CompSoc.lyx, IEEEtran-Conference.lyx, IEEEtran-Journal.lyx, 
IEEEtran-TransMag.lyx, and indeed the IEEEtran-Conference.lyx opens and 
displays what I suppose is expected.

So the _template_ is present but the _document_class_ item in the Document 
Class pop-up is missing.

Finally, in Preferences -> Paths, the "Document templates:" path is
"/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/templates" 
but the templates are stored in the LyX.app _packge_,
/path/to/LyX/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/templates/
and so one must (1) discover the discrepancy, and (2) navigate to the proper 
directory.

I'll add that the path to the examples does lead to inside the application 
package, where they are stored. However, I don't see any way to access the 
examples from the LyX program, so I'm not sure how the user would access them 
because the Mac user is not expected to dive into the application package 
directly--if something in the app package is accessible by menu, such as is the 
templates (File -> New From Template), then that seems OK. (Many of not most 
Mac users don't even know that they can look inside the app package.) One 
possible menu choice would be under Help, even if all it did was to open a file 
browser in the proper place.

I believe that I've seen this subject (where to store stuff like templates and 
examples) discussed on either this list or the dev list. I think either is OK 
but the path needs to be made consistent with the actual location, and the 
stuff made accessible by menu.

Jerry

> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:51:07 AM, Jerry  wrote:
> 
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Jerry  wrote:
>> At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says 
>> that "LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also 
>> contributions to IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I 
>> don't see the IEEE conferences class listed.
>> 
>> Jerry
>>  
>> On which platform are you ?
>>  
>> Vincent
>>  
>> 
> Sorry for the slow reply.
> 
> I'm on OS X 10.8.5, Mountain Lion. Sorry, I should have mentioned that but 
> this problem didn't seem OS-specific.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 



Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-17 Thread John Kane
I see something called IEETran-Conference.lyx in the templates folder with 
LyX2.1 beta under Ubuntu 13.10. 





On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:51:07 AM, Jerry  wrote:
 


On Dec 12, 2013, at 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:


>
>
>On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Jerry  wrote:
>
>At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says that 
>"LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also contributions to 
>IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I don't see the IEEE 
>conferences class listed.
>>
>>Jerry
> 
>On which platform are you ?
> 
>Vincent
> 
>
>Sorry for the slow reply.

I'm on OS X 10.8.5, Mountain Lion. Sorry, I should have mentioned that but this 
problem didn't seem OS-specific.

Jerry

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-17 Thread Jerry

On Dec 12, 2013, at 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Jerry  wrote:
> At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says 
> that "LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also 
> contributions to IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I don't 
> see the IEEE conferences class listed.
> 
> Jerry
>  
> On which platform are you ?
>  
> Vincent
>  
> 
Sorry for the slow reply.

I'm on OS X 10.8.5, Mountain Lion. Sorry, I should have mentioned that but this 
problem didn't seem OS-specific.

Jerry

Re: IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-12 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Jerry  wrote:

> At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says
> that "LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also
> contributions to IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I
> don't see the IEEE conferences class listed.
>
> Jerry


On which platform are you ?

Vincent


IEEE conferences class missing in LyX 2.1?

2013-12-07 Thread Jerry
At the "What's new in LyX 2.1" at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 says that 
"LyX supports now not only papers for IEEE journals but also contributions to 
IEEE conferences" I'm using LyX 2.1.0 beta 2 and I don't see the IEEE 
conferences class listed.

Jerry