Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.
 
 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)


I tested yesterday some files and get relatively nice looking files (OOo 3.0.1). You could now 
alternatively look for HTML to RTF/ODT converters.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.
 
 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)


I tested yesterday some files and get relatively nice looking files (OOo 3.0.1). You could now 
alternatively look for HTML to RTF/ODT converters.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

> Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
> to retype it all again.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex Fernández.
> 
> 

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)
Good work!

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

HTML quality is much better than I thought, but I can't open it with OOo 3.0 (I 
obtani only markup text)


I tested yesterday some files and get relatively nice looking files (OOo 3.0.1). You could now 
alternatively look for HTML to RTF/ODT converters.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.


It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use eLyXer to convert your 
document to HTML and then open the result With OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.

http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write your file with 
OpenOffice or Word.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Alex Fernandez]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
my best to make your documents work.

 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.

Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
to retype it all again.

Thanks,

Alex Fernández.

RE: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 
 I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
 document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
 find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
 my best to make your documents work.
 
 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.
 
 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
_
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Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.


It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use eLyXer to convert your 
document to HTML and then open the result With OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.

http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write your file with 
OpenOffice or Word.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Alex Fernandez]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
my best to make your documents work.

 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.

Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
to retype it all again.

Thanks,

Alex Fernández.

RE: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
 eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
 OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 
 I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
 document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
 find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
 my best to make your documents work.
 
 But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
 your file with OpenOffice or Word.
 
 Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
 to retype it all again.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
_
Quante ne sai? Scoprilo con CrossWire!
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/140630367/direct/01/

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Uwe Stöhr]

Piero Faustini schrieb:

After the total re-installation of LyX 1.6.2 and MikTeX, now I'm able to 
produce simple .odt, but still can't convert my thesis.


It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use eLyXer to convert your 
document to HTML and then open the result With OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.

http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write your file with 
OpenOffice or Word.


regards Uwe

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Alex Fernandez]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
> It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
> eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
> OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
> http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/

I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
my best to make your documents work.

> But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
> your file with OpenOffice or Word.

Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
to retype it all again.

Thanks,

Alex Fernández.

RE: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
>> It is well known that ooolatex is buggy and often fails. I would try to use
>> eLyXer to convert your document to HTML and then open the result With
>> OpenOffice 3 and save it as RTF or whatever you like.
>> http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
> 
> I am trying to improve the results of eLyXer conversion. If your
> document doesn't generate proper HTML for your document (or you just
> find the results lacking), you can always send me a sample, I will do
> my best to make your documents work.
> 
>> But don't expect too much. When you need a nice DOC file, you have to write
>> your file with OpenOffice or Word.
> 
> Sure, but it is good to have a starting point. At least you don't have
> to retype it all again.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex Fernández.

Going to try, thanksPiero
_
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LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
Hello world doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the export  oo menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with hello world), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always seems to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so feel free to use my body for your experiments!)

Thanks!

Piero

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[rgheck]

Piero Faustini wrote:

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.


  

Obviously, LyX should not crash.


- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)


  
It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is 
what does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, 
though, LyX should not crash, in any event.


rh

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I confirm that I am not able to convert to OO using a full Miktex
installation with Lyx 1.6.1

Murat

2009/3/31 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com:
 Piero Faustini wrote:

 Some more details if this can help you helping me!

 I tried different exports:
 - Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
 - HTML works
 - HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after
 execute command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX
 instance can't be recovered.



 Obviously, LyX should not crash.

 - text works
 - text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
 - I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors -
 and didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)



 It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is what
 does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, though,
 LyX should not crash, in any event.

 rh





-- 
*** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! ***

Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
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LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
Hello world doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the export  oo menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with hello world), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always seems to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so feel free to use my body for your experiments!)

Thanks!

Piero

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[rgheck]

Piero Faustini wrote:

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after execute 
command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.


  

Obviously, LyX should not crash.


- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)


  
It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is 
what does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, 
though, LyX should not crash, in any event.


rh

Re: LyX - rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I confirm that I am not able to convert to OO using a full Miktex
installation with Lyx 1.6.1

Murat

2009/3/31 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com:
 Piero Faustini wrote:

 Some more details if this can help you helping me!

 I tried different exports:
 - Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
 - HTML works
 - HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after
 execute command htlatex... the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX
 instance can't be recovered.



 Obviously, LyX should not crash.

 - text works
 - text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
 - I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors -
 and didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)



 It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is what
 does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, though,
 LyX should not crash, in any event.

 rh





-- 
*** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! ***

Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
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LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Hello,
I hate to re-open this subject, but I've still NEVER been able to convert a 
"Hello world" doc to RTF, OOo, Word Doc or whatever, and I use LyX since 1.5.0 
version (now 1.6.2).
So this message is just for those who till yesterday never could export and 
then found the light with some tweak.
I read a thousand ways to do it and tried some, reinstalled converters, 
tweaked, manually did it etc. NOTHING. So, for a matter of time, I will not 
rely on old posts if they're not proven to be working at least by the users 
they tried to help, to whom this message is addressed.
>From what I understood, the problem is not OS-related (I use winXP anyway) and 
relates to a bunch of people who report almost the same.
in my case, if using the "export > oo" menu command:
- the conversion take quite a long time (for an article with "hello world"), 
more or less same time of compiling one of my quite complex 150 pages doc (with 
3 LaTeX runs).
- the result is a .odt with a kb size proportional to the (converted) content 
- (opened with OOo 3) the content is not shown and the only difference with a a 
blank doc seems to be that right margin is zero.

(If this can help, I also have never been able to fully compile with LaTeX a 
.tex file with bibtex bibliography, because LaTeX/BibTeX can't locate any .bib 
file wherever I put them, so both could be problems of paths or similar - this 
seems also to be an old users problem)

I could stand (of course) a manual way, if it is reported to work with 
problematic users like me ;)

Thanks, and sorry if RE-RE-RE-RE-POST

Piero

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Piero Faustini]

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after "execute 
command htlatex..." the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.
- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
- As now it always "seems" to work but with the result described above in my 
previous message.

I can't remember more details on my experiments in LyX direct conversion, but I 
can execute some debugging if someone can direct me. (and I'm thinking about 
developers: this little bug could be very annoying for new and average users, 
so "feel free to use my body for your experiments!")

Thanks!

Piero

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[rgheck]

Piero Faustini wrote:

Some more details if this can help you helping me!

I tried different exports:
- Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
- HTML works
- HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after "execute 
command htlatex..." the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX instance can't be 
recovered.


  

Obviously, LyX should not crash.


- text works
- text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
- I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors - and 
didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)


  
It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is 
what does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, 
though, LyX should not crash, in any event.


rh

Re: LyX -> rtf, doc or openoffice convert: ONCE AGAIN

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I confirm that I am not able to convert to OO using a full Miktex
installation with Lyx 1.6.1

Murat

2009/3/31 rgheck :
> Piero Faustini wrote:
>>
>> Some more details if this can help you helping me!
>>
>> I tried different exports:
>> - Latex always works perfect (Alleluja!)
>> - HTML works
>> - HTML (Word) crashes LyX (And doesn't work): a bunch of seconds after
>> "execute command htlatex..." the graphics of GUI disappear and the LyX
>> instance can't be recovered.
>>
>>
>
> Obviously, LyX should not crash.
>
>> - text works
>> - text ps2ascii works (but with loads of garbage)
>> - I can remember that sometimes OOo conversion crashed - or gave errors -
>> and didn't work (but as I can remember, it was prior to LyX 1.6.1)
>>
>>
>
> It sounds very much as it the problem is with htlatex, since that is what
> does BOTH the HTML (Word) conversion and the OOo conversion. Again, though,
> LyX should not crash, in any event.
>
> rh
>
>



-- 
*** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! ***

Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
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