Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Lorenzo]

Richard Kimberly Heck  escribió:


On 12/9/20 8:50 PM, Lorenzo wrote:


Yu Jin  escribió:


Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo :



Dear all,

New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
admin.

BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex

My system is Windows 10 64 bit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Best Regards,



Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab) shows
up in there?
--
    Eugene


Uninstalled 2.3.5.2 and tried back to install:
LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 ==> Nothing happens. The process/program is  
not shown under "Details" tab at the Task Manager
LyX-236-Installer-1-x64 ==> Program is shown under "Details", admin  
permit is requested and installation starts (and finishes  
successfully)


Not sure if uninstallation of 2.3.5.2 was related to success of  
2.3.6 x64 installation. Additionally I have tried to install the  
2.4.0dev versions with same results as LyX-236-Installer-1-x32  
(Nothing happens. The process/program is not shown under "Details"  
at the Task Manager)


Are you able to start these from a terminal? You might get more info  
that way.


Riki


It seems that my Antivirus (AVG Free) considered Lyx installers as  
suspicious files and blocked without any notification when double  
clicking (weird behaviour). Running from command line as admin, AVG  
fortunately showed notification and I have been able to install also  
2.4dev x64 in parallel to 2.3.6 x64.

Thank you very much for your help.
Regards,

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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Yu Jin]

Am Do., 10. Dez. 2020 um 20:53 Uhr schrieb Yu Jin :

> Am Do., 10. Dez. 2020 um 20:15 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <
> lasgout...@lyx.org>:
>
>> Le 10/12/2020 à 19:12, Yu Jin a écrit :
>>
>> > It was not meant to be over installed:
>> > https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg111349.html
>> > 
>> > https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg214304.html
>> > 
>> > While it's nothing system breaking, you are leaving junk in your
>> > registry behind which might affect something else (like installer not
>> > starting).
>> >
>> > Riki, please add this note to the website on the download section
>> (maybe
>> > at least a link to the news section).
>>
>> Eugene, is it possible to detect this condition and uninstall the
>> previous version, or is it precisely what you are trying to avoid
>> (because it is too difficult to get right)?
>>
>
> Looking back I have to say that releasing the new installer as official
> was too suddenly. I also thought recently that I should have implemented a
> bit of code that at least prevents overinstalling with a message box saying
> that old LyX needs to be uninstalled. If I'd been told 2 weeks before the
> release that the new installer would be released as official, then I would
> have thought about this. Now it is kinda too late, because those who
> already overinstalled will not be able to remove the old junk in the
> registry without knowing what to do or following a rather long instructions
> set. I'm not blaming Riki or anyone else, just giving feedback and
> recording the occurrence, because I too should have braked and asked for a
> bit of time to think.
>
It's actually mainly me who is to blame, since Riki asked...

> But anyway, it's not the end of the world for anyone and for us and me it
> was an experience, and all experience is valuable.
>
> Back to your question. Technically it is possible, it just needs to be
> coded (as everything else). Though it would be a pain (because there is not
> just LyX specific, but also imagemagick, ghostscript and python registry
> entries made by the old installer), I think I could code that if we agree
> on it. And I would also implement what I said above, where the installer
> would cancel with a message box. A question would be if we then release
> 2.3.6-Installer-2 with these new parts and maybe get those few, who still
> did not update, to update safely (which is what I would propose) or repair
> everything with 2.3.7/2.4.0.
>
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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Yu Jin]

Am Do., 10. Dez. 2020 um 20:15 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <
lasgout...@lyx.org>:

> Le 10/12/2020 à 19:12, Yu Jin a écrit :
>
> > It was not meant to be over installed:
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg111349.html
> > 
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg214304.html
> > 
> > While it's nothing system breaking, you are leaving junk in your
> > registry behind which might affect something else (like installer not
> > starting).
> >
> > Riki, please add this note to the website on the download section (maybe
> > at least a link to the news section).
>
> Eugene, is it possible to detect this condition and uninstall the
> previous version, or is it precisely what you are trying to avoid
> (because it is too difficult to get right)?
>

Looking back I have to say that releasing the new installer as official was
too suddenly. I also thought recently that I should have implemented a bit
of code that at least prevents overinstalling with a message box saying
that old LyX needs to be uninstalled. If I'd been told 2 weeks before the
release that the new installer would be released as official, then I would
have thought about this. Now it is kinda too late, because those who
already overinstalled will not be able to remove the old junk in the
registry without knowing what to do or following a rather long instructions
set. I'm not blaming Riki or anyone else, just giving feedback and
recording the occurrence, because I too should have braked and asked for a
bit of time to think. But anyway, it's not the end of the world for anyone
and for us and me it was an experience, and all experience is valuable.

Back to your question. Technically it is possible, it just needs to be
coded (as everything else). Though it would be a pain (because there is not
just LyX specific, but also imagemagick, ghostscript and python registry
entries made by the old installer), I think I could code that if we agree
on it. And I would also implement what I said above, where the installer
would cancel with a message box. A question would be if we then release
2.3.6-Installer-2 with these new parts and maybe get those few, who still
did not update, to update safely (which is what I would propose) or repair
everything with 2.3.7/2.4.0.
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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 10/12/2020 à 19:12, Yu Jin a écrit :


It was not meant to be over installed:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg111349.html 

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg214304.html 

While it's nothing system breaking, you are leaving junk in your 
registry behind which might affect something else (like installer not 
starting).


Riki, please add this note to the website on the download section (maybe 
at least a link to the news section).


Eugene, is it possible to detect this condition and uninstall the 
previous version, or is it precisely what you are trying to avoid 
(because it is too difficult to get right)?


JMarc
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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Yu Jin]

Am Do., 10. Dez. 2020 um 04:19 Uhr schrieb Andrew Parsloe <
ajpars...@gmail.com>:

> On 10/12/2020 2:50 pm, Lorenzo wrote:
> >
> > Yu Jin  escribió:
> >
> >> Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo
> >> :
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
> >>> installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
> >>> permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
> >>> installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
> >>> admin.
> >>>
> >>> BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex
> >>>
> >>> My system is Windows 10 64 bit.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much in advance,
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>
> >> Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab)
> >> shows
> >> up in there?
> >> --
> >> Eugene
> >
> > Uninstalled 2.3.5.2 and tried back to install:
> > LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 ==> Nothing happens. The process/program is
> > not shown under "Details" tab at the Task Manager
> > LyX-236-Installer-1-x64 ==> Program is shown under "Details", admin
> > permit is requested and installation starts (and finishes successfully)
> >
> > Not sure if uninstallation of 2.3.5.2 was related to success of 2.3.6
> > x64 installation. Additionally I have tried to install the 2.4.0dev
> > versions with same results as LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 (Nothing
> > happens. The process/program is not shown under "Details" at the Task
> > Manager)
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Just to provide another data point, I had no problem installing 2.3.6
> 32-bit over the 2.3.5.2 that was there. I too use MiKTeX and 64-bit
> windows 10. In an absent-minded way I have sometimes been confused in
> the past right at the start of installation by the admin-permit request
> being out of sight in the task bar at the bottom of the screen which I
> have on an auto-hide setting.
>

It was not meant to be over installed:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg111349.html
https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg214304.html
While it's nothing system breaking, you are leaving junk in your registry
behind which might affect something else (like installer not starting).

Riki, please add this note to the website on the download section (maybe at
least a link to the news section).
-- 
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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 10/12/2020 2:50 pm, Lorenzo wrote:


Yu Jin  escribió:

Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo 
:




Dear all,

New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
admin.

BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex

My system is Windows 10 64 bit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Best Regards,



Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab) 
shows

up in there?
--
    Eugene


Uninstalled 2.3.5.2 and tried back to install:
LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 ==> Nothing happens. The process/program is 
not shown under "Details" tab at the Task Manager
LyX-236-Installer-1-x64 ==> Program is shown under "Details", admin 
permit is requested and installation starts (and finishes successfully)


Not sure if uninstallation of 2.3.5.2 was related to success of 2.3.6 
x64 installation. Additionally I have tried to install the 2.4.0dev 
versions with same results as LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 (Nothing 
happens. The process/program is not shown under "Details" at the Task 
Manager)


Regards,


Just to provide another data point, I had no problem installing 2.3.6 
32-bit over the 2.3.5.2 that was there. I too use MiKTeX and 64-bit 
windows 10. In an absent-minded way I have sometimes been confused in 
the past right at the start of installation by the admin-permit request 
being out of sight in the task bar at the bottom of the screen which I 
have on an auto-hide setting.


Andrew

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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/9/20 8:50 PM, Lorenzo wrote:


Yu Jin  escribió:

Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo 
:




Dear all,

New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
admin.

BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex

My system is Windows 10 64 bit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Best Regards,



Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab) 
shows

up in there?
--
    Eugene


Uninstalled 2.3.5.2 and tried back to install:
LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 ==> Nothing happens. The process/program is 
not shown under "Details" tab at the Task Manager
LyX-236-Installer-1-x64 ==> Program is shown under "Details", admin 
permit is requested and installation starts (and finishes successfully)


Not sure if uninstallation of 2.3.5.2 was related to success of 2.3.6 
x64 installation. Additionally I have tried to install the 2.4.0dev 
versions with same results as LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 (Nothing 
happens. The process/program is not shown under "Details" at the Task 
Manager)


Are you able to start these from a terminal? You might get more info 
that way.


Riki


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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Lorenzo]

Yu Jin  escribió:


Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo :



Dear all,

New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
admin.

BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex

My system is Windows 10 64 bit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Best Regards,



Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab) shows
up in there?
--
Eugene


Uninstalled 2.3.5.2 and tried back to install:
LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 ==> Nothing happens. The process/program is  
not shown under "Details" tab at the Task Manager
LyX-236-Installer-1-x64 ==> Program is shown under "Details", admin  
permit is requested and installation starts (and finishes successfully)


Not sure if uninstallation of 2.3.5.2 was related to success of 2.3.6  
x64 installation. Additionally I have tried to install the 2.4.0dev  
versions with same results as LyX-236-Installer-1-x32 (Nothing  
happens. The process/program is not shown under "Details" at the Task  
Manager)


Regards,
--
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Re: New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Yu Jin]

Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Lorenzo :

>
> Dear all,
>
> New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start
> installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin
> permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the
> installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as
> admin.
>
> BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex
>
> My system is Windows 10 64 bit.
>
> Thank you very much in advance,
>
> Best Regards,
>

Did you check in the task manager if the process (in the details tab) shows
up in there?
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New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start installation

[Lorenzo]

Dear all,

New windows installers (2.3.6, both 32 and 64 bit) do not start  
installation on my system; in fact they not even request admin  
permission to start; simply nothing happens when I double click the  
installer. Also nothing happens if I try to execute both of them as  
admin.


BTW I have not had any issue with 2.3.5.2 versions or older with Miktex

My system is Windows 10 64 bit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Best Regards,



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