Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Sam Liddicott
In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the 
phantom to take any effect.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


Sam


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Sam Liddicott schrieb:

In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line.


This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width of 0pt) before the phantom 
or you force a line break before the phantom, see attached.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character style. For the next major LyX 
release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert phantoms via the Insert menu, see

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

regards Uwe


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 05:02:47 Sam Liddicott wrote:
 In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
 a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the
 phantom to take any effect.

I think the following URL answers your question:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2008-01/msg01041.html

 I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
 nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
 work at the start of a line.

Thanks for telling me about \phantom, \vphantom and \hphantom. I usually use 
\vfill and \hfill, but these phantom commands look like they might come in 
handy 
some day.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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http://www.recession-relief.US
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Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 09:36:07 Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 Sam Liddicott schrieb:
  In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
  a new-line.

 This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width
 of 0pt) before the phantom or you force a line break before the phantom,
 see attached.

  I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
  nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
  work at the start of a line.

 A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character
 style. For the next major LyX release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert
 phantoms via the Insert menu, see
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

Uwe and Sam,

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms. The 
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure out a 
situation that calls for them.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Steve Litt schrieb:


What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms.


Phantoms are used several times in the EmbeddedObjects manual.
The Math manual describes how to use phantoms for math.

regards Uwe


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread William Adams

On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use  
phantoms. The
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure  
out a

situation that calls for them.



If memory serves, Peter Wilson's memoir manual has an example of using  
hphantom in a verse environment.


William

--
William Adams
senior graphic designer
Fry Communications
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.



Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Sam Liddicott
In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the 
phantom to take any effect.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


Sam


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Sam Liddicott schrieb:

In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line.


This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width of 0pt) before the phantom 
or you force a line break before the phantom, see attached.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character style. For the next major LyX 
release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert phantoms via the Insert menu, see

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

regards Uwe


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 05:02:47 Sam Liddicott wrote:
 In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
 a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the
 phantom to take any effect.

I think the following URL answers your question:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2008-01/msg01041.html

 I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
 nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
 work at the start of a line.

Thanks for telling me about \phantom, \vphantom and \hphantom. I usually use 
\vfill and \hfill, but these phantom commands look like they might come in 
handy 
some day.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 09:36:07 Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 Sam Liddicott schrieb:
  In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
  a new-line.

 This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width
 of 0pt) before the phantom or you force a line break before the phantom,
 see attached.

  I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
  nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
  work at the start of a line.

 A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character
 style. For the next major LyX release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert
 phantoms via the Insert menu, see
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

Uwe and Sam,

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms. The 
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure out a 
situation that calls for them.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Steve Litt schrieb:


What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms.


Phantoms are used several times in the EmbeddedObjects manual.
The Math manual describes how to use phantoms for math.

regards Uwe


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread William Adams

On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use  
phantoms. The
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure  
out a

situation that calls for them.



If memory serves, Peter Wilson's memoir manual has an example of using  
hphantom in a verse environment.


William

--
William Adams
senior graphic designer
Fry Communications
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.



Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Sam Liddicott
In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the 
phantom to take any effect.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


Sam


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Sam Liddicott schrieb:

In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in 
a new-line.


This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width of 0pt) before the phantom 
or you force a line break before the phantom, see attached.


I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be 
nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to 
work at the start of a line.


A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character style. For the next major LyX 
release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert phantoms via the Insert menu, see

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

regards Uwe


phantom.lyx
Description: application/lyx


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 05:02:47 Sam Liddicott wrote:
> In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
> a new-line. I have to use ctrl-space and insert a hard space to get the
> phantom to take any effect.

I think the following URL answers your question:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2008-01/msg01041.html
>
> I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
> nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
> work at the start of a line.

Thanks for telling me about \phantom, \vphantom and \hphantom. I usually use 
\vfill and \hfill, but these phantom commands look like they might come in 
handy 
some day.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 09:36:07 Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Sam Liddicott schrieb:
> > In the attached lyx file, phantom at the beginning of a line results in
> > a new-line.
>
> This is by design. To change this, you can either add a zero space (width
> of 0pt) before the phantom or you force a line break before the phantom,
> see attached.
>
> > I'm also thinking what about a phantom text style (as text styles can be
> > nested) but this might need whatever magic is required to get phantom to
> > work at the start of a line.
>
> A phantom is no real style and therefore not implemented as character
> style. For the next major LyX release LyX 1.7 it is possible to insert
> phantoms via the Insert menu, see
> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20#commands

Uwe and Sam,

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms. The 
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure out a 
situation that calls for them.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Steve Litt schrieb:


What are some of the situations in which you might want to use phantoms.


Phantoms are used several times in the EmbeddedObjects manual.
The Math manual describes how to use phantoms for math.

regards Uwe


Re: Phantom spaces

2009-11-11 Thread William Adams

On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

What are some of the situations in which you might want to use  
phantoms. The
whole concept sounds so Geeky I want to use them, but can't figure  
out a

situation that calls for them.



If memory serves, Peter Wilson's memoir manual has an example of using  
hphantom in a verse environment.


William

--
William Adams
senior graphic designer
Fry Communications
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.