Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Steve Litt wrote:


Hi Christian,

I had been talking about the website. I believe the application itself has
perfect color as it exists right now.


*LOL*

I'll leave this particular discussion, it's just to confusing!

/Christian

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Re: Request for screenshots

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 17:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Steve Litt wrote:
> >>> It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too
> >>> unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to
> >>> quickly uninstall things they don't understand.
> >>
> >> I think the background color is something that makes LyX unique in a
> >> positive way.
> >>
> >> Jürgen
> >
> > I disagree. You can achieve recognition with the logo, but the background
> > color just makes things less readable.
>
> If I understand you correctly, you think it's easier to read with a
> completely white background?  I prefer less intensity, to me a normal
> paper has less intensity than a computer screen on "full" white. Guess
> people's opinions vary :-)

Hi Christian,

I had been talking about the website. I believe the application itself has 
perfect color as it exists right now.

SteveT

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Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
Troubleshooting: Just the Facts

Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Steve Litt wrote:

It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too 
unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to 
quickly uninstall things they don't understand.


I think the background color is something that makes LyX unique in a 
positive way.


Jürgen


I disagree. You can achieve recognition with the logo, but the background
color just makes things less readable.


If I understand you correctly, you think it's easier to read with a 
completely white background?  I prefer less intensity, to me a normal 
paper has less intensity than a computer screen on "full" white. Guess 
people's opinions vary :-)


/C

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Re: LyX canvas color (was: request for screenshots)

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Steve Litt wrote:
> I was talking about the website. 

and I was talking about the application. So here we are ;-)

I didn't want to suggest to use the application workarea background for the 
website. Actually, I think discussing the webpage background color is 
difficult, independent from the context of the overall design.

Jürgen

Re: LyX canvas color (was: request for screenshots)

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 12:26, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:
> Just for the record -- are we now talking about the LyX application's
> background/canvas, or the www.lyx.org website background? I changed the
> subject line to what the discussion seems to be about.

I was talking about the website. In my opinion the background and foreground 
colors of the application itself are absolutely perfect, and any change would 
be a change for the worse.

And if it's the application we're talking about, I agree that its nonwhite 
background makes it stand out on a crowded desktop.

SteveT

Re: LyX canvas color (was: request for screenshots)

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

Just for the record -- are we now talking about the LyX application's
background/canvas, or the www.lyx.org website background? I changed the
subject line to what the discussion seems to be about.

Rex

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tuesday 25 March 2008 01:28, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Joost Verburg wrote:
> > > It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too
> > > unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to
> quickly
> > > uninstall things they don't understand.
> >
> > I think the background color is something that makes LyX unique in a
> > positive way.
> >
> > Jürgen
>
> I disagree. You can achieve recognition with the logo, but the background
> color just makes things less readable.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Books written in LyX:
>Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
>Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
>Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
>

Re: Request for screenshots

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 01:28, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Joost Verburg wrote:
> > It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too
> > unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to quickly
> > uninstall things they don't understand.
>
> I think the background color is something that makes LyX unique in a
> positive way.
>
> Jürgen

I disagree. You can achieve recognition with the logo, but the background 
color just makes things less readable.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Books written in LyX:
Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
Troubleshooting: Just the Facts

Re: Request for screenshots

[Maksi]

On 2008-03-23 00:43:33 +0100, "Rex C. Eastbourne" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:


It would be great if some people could send in some images, along the lines
of the attached image, that are nice graphical demonstrations of some
functionality of LyX (equations, images, references, bibliography, you name
it). especially if you have a nice, beautiful equation to send in :)

Send 'em over!

Rex


Great idea. For my diploma thesis (in German) I created a kind of 
»splash page« which has some definitions taken from dictionarys on it 
and is placed right before the actual text starts. In plain LaTeX 
exactly copying the definitions is a rather painful task and requires 
some editing like this 
(http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/definition-latex.tiff), 
whereas LyX makes it a lot easier and nicer to look at 
(http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/definition-lyx.tiff). 
Of course, both methods produce the same output 
(http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/definition-pdf.pdf).


Let me know, if you need higher quality screenshots.

Regards,

Maksi

Re: Request for screenshots

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Joost Verburg wrote:
> It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too
> unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to quickly
> uninstall things they don't understand.

I think the background color is something that makes LyX unique in a positive 
way.

Jürgen

Re: Request for screenshots

[curtis osterhoudt]

- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:32:14 PM
Subject: Re: Request for screenshots


On 
Mon, 
24 
Mar 
2008, 
John 
Coppens 
wrote:

>> 
But 
would 
you 
be 
opposed 
to 
having 
the 
usual 
colors 
as 
default? 
You 
can 
>> 
of 
course 
set 
your 
own 
color 
in 
the 
preferences.
>
> 
Again, 
FWIW, 
I 
_hate_ 
white 
backgrounds, 
and 
spend 
time 
with 
each 
> 
program 
to 
figure 
out 
how 
I 
can 
reprogram 
it 
to 
something 
more 
'quiet'. 
> 
Ever 
wonder 
why 
legal 
pads 
are 
yellow(ish)?

I'm 
not 
too 
fond 
of 
white 
as 
a 
background 
myself, 
I 
find 
it 
to 
intense...
(I'm 
actually 
writing 
this 
as 
white 
text 
on 
a 
black 
background:-)

> 
Why 
not 
leave 
the 
page 
background 
undefined? 
Most 
browsers 
allow
> 
selection 
of 
a 
default 
background 
color, 
don't 
they?

Eh... 
what 
would 
this 
result 
in 
for 
most 
users?  
(I'm 
not 
sure 
I'd 
realise 
that 
I 
can 
change 
the 
colour)

   Would it be worth having a "quick default setup" phase to using LyX, upon 
first running it? For example, there could be a popup window which displays a 
sample LyX window, with a color-picker to choose the user's default background 
color, and some text such as "Choose the default background color of your LyX 
editing window here. This may be changed at any time via the Tools --> 
Preferences --> Look and Feel --> Colors menu."
   Such a method could be used to choose the user's accustomed paper size, and 
a few other options. However, it would be nice to be able to skip this setup 
phase, too. Perhaps people will think it's too annoying or intrusive. 

C.O.




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Re: Request for screenshots

[John Coppens]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0500
AK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> AFAIK no browsers
> let you set them to use some color if no background is set but will
> show document's color if it is set -
> but I could be wrong about this.

Firefox does this, feature which I've been using for years now. There's
an option to let pages override the option or not (but too voraciously in
my taste).

I agree about the mismatch of colours in some sites which don't define bg
colors, but I still prefer mismatch to obligatory white. 

John

Re: Request for screenshots

[Joost Verburg]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Joost Verburg wrote:
But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? 


Personally, I'm opposed, yes (which does not mean that much).


You can of course set your own color in the preferences.


you too ;-)


You're right about that. For both of us the default doesn't really 
matter because we know how to change it.


All I wanted to say is that we should consider to have as default what 
new users would except for a word/document processor. The people who 
prefer a different color usually know how to change it.


It's more a marketing thing, you don't want your software to look too 
unusual at first sight. Just like with websites, people tend to quickly 
uninstall things they don't understand.


Joost

Re: Request for screenshots

[rgheck]

Andre Poenitz wrote:

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:25:35PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  

Joost Verburg wrote:


I think the default setting should be black-on-white because everyone is
used to these colors.
  
FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured to 
bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors hurts my 
eyes.



I am in the same camp...   xterm*background: LightYellow2  solved much
of my pain (#d1). 


Not that I proposing LightYellow2 for the LyX page background, but I am
in favour of the general idea of using something slightly below "full
white"
  
Absolutely, and for the same reasons. I have as many of my windows as 
possible something below full white. In LyX, it's 20, 6, 243 (HSV). That 
said, if you just knock the saturation on the current color down to 10, 
it's pretty nice.


rh

Re: Request for screenshots

[Andre Poenitz]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:25:35PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Joost Verburg wrote:
> > I think the default setting should be black-on-white because everyone is
> > used to these colors.
> 
> FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured to 
> bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors hurts my 
> eyes.

I am in the same camp...   xterm*background: LightYellow2  solved much
of my pain (#d1). 

Not that I proposing LightYellow2 for the LyX page background, but I am
in favour of the general idea of using something slightly below "full
white"

Andre'

Re: Request for screenshots

[John Kane]

--- John Coppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ever wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?

Sulpher stains?  

Okay, I'm leaving.


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Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, AK wrote:


 Just for the record, when I said I didn't like pure white as a
 background, I was talking about the main window of the LyX
 application...


Doh, I completely missed the point where we branched off to talk about 
the LyX app as well as the site.. But, it seems to me that if you don't 
like white background in the app, you would not like it on the website, 
either? Or the difference is that you never end up spending a long time 
on the website while you might work in the app for hours? -andrei


When it comes to the web site, I honestly don't know...  My suggestion is 
that you come up with some clean design and then ask what people think!


/Christian

PS. www.lyx.org today has two modes, one fance and one more plain. Going 
with the wiki engine as framework, it's quite easy to let people use 
different backgrounds for the wiki. All we have to do is enable different 
skins, and a user can append '?setskin=coolskin' to a URI and they'll use 
that skin instead.


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Re: Request for screenshots

[AK]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:


Glad to have you on the list, Andrei.


Hi Andrei,

Just for the record, when I said I didn't like pure white as a 
background, I was talking about the main window of the LyX application...


/C

Doh, I completely missed the point where we branched off to talk about 
the LyX app as well as the site.. But, it seems to me that if
you don't like white background in the app, you would not like it on the 
website, either? Or the difference is that you never end
up spending a long time on the website while you might work in the app 
for hours? -andrei


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Re: Request for screenshots

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
selection of a default background color, don't they?


Eh... what would this result in for most users?  (I'm not sure I'd realise
that I can change the colour)


  I've changed the background color of firefox here, but pages still load
their own colors. If I tried to specify every color for everything locally
I'd certainly miss many, make a lot unreadable, and miss the skills of the
designer. I'll vote, too, for an off-white background as long as the text is
in a high contrast color.

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Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, John Coppens wrote:

But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can 
of course set your own color in the preferences.


Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each 
program to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. 
Ever wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?


I'm not too fond of white as a background myself, I find it to intense...
(I'm actually writing this as white text on a black background:-)


Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
selection of a default background color, don't they?


Eh... what would this result in for most users?  (I'm not sure I'd realise 
that I can change the colour)


/Christian

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Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:


Glad to have you on the list, Andrei.


Hi Andrei,

Just for the record, when I said I didn't like pure white as a background, 
I was talking about the main window of the LyX application...


/C

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Re: Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

Glad to have you on the list, Andrei.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:46 PM, AK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> John Coppens wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
> > Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured
> >>> to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors
> >>> hurts my eyes.
> >>>
> >> But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can
> >> of course set your own color in the preferences.
> >>
> >
> > Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each
> program
> > to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
> > wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?
> >
> > Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
> > selection of a default background color, don't they?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> This is probably not a very good idea in practice because the site will
> stand out as looking incredibly
> ugly on linux where some browsers (don't remember which ones) will show
> a very unsightly medium gray background
> if no background is specified. Since vast majority of sites do specify a
> background, to the user this
> will look like the site is badly misdesigned. In windows browsers show
> white background if none is
> specified.
>
> However, at least in Opera (the browser that I use most often),
> you can specify your custom css style sheet to define your background
> that will override default
> background. FF probably has a setting somewhere that will let you do
> this, too. AFAIK no browsers
> let you set them to use some color if no background is set but will show
> document's color if it is set -
> but I could be wrong about this.
>
> By the way, I'm the designer working with Rex on this.
>
> --
>  -ak
>  Tobu | http://www.lightbird.net/tobu/ | Freeform DB / Tagger / PIM
>
>

Re: Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Wait a minute - weren't we talking about the PDF output... ;)
>

Ack...I'll summarize my understanding:
(1) I originally sent an email requesting that people send me LyX files,
which I could turn into screenshots of either the LyX editing environment or
the PDF output.
(2) Andre Poenitz followed up with the following email:
"Since you are at it: Feel free to make proposals how LyX appearance
might be improved. After all, some (most... all...?) of the visual
appearance of the main LyX canvas looks a bit old-fashioned, too."
(3) Dominik and I followed up by suggesting the pinkish LyX canvas color be
changed.
(4) Discussion shifted to the background color of the website.
(5) Confusion ensued




>
>
> On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:
>
> > haha...it looks like half the people are talking about the
> > background within
> > the program *LyX* (i.e. the pinkish background canvas), and half
> > the people
> > are referring to the background of the website, www.lyx.org. that
> > might
> > explain some confusion.
> >
> > rex
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:17 PM, John Coppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
> >> Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
>  FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-
>  coloured
>  to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text
>  processors
>  hurts my eyes.
> >>>
> >>> But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default?
> >>> You can
> >>> of course set your own color in the preferences.
> >>
> >> Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each
> >> program
> >> to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
> >> wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?
> >>
> >> Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
> >> selection of a default background color, don't they?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
>
>

Re: Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

haha...it looks like half the people are talking about the background within
the program *LyX* (i.e. the pinkish background canvas), and half the people
are referring to the background of the website, www.lyx.org. that might
explain some confusion.

rex

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:17 PM, John Coppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
> Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured
> > > to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors
> > > hurts my eyes.
> >
> > But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can
> > of course set your own color in the preferences.
>
> Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each program
> to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
> wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?
>
> Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
> selection of a default background color, don't they?
>
> John
>

Re: Request for screenshots

[AK]

John Coppens wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured
to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors
hurts my eyes.
  
But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can 
of course set your own color in the preferences.



Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each program
to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?

Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
selection of a default background color, don't they?

John

  
This is probably not a very good idea in practice because the site will 
stand out as looking incredibly
ugly on linux where some browsers (don't remember which ones) will show 
a very unsightly medium gray background
if no background is specified. Since vast majority of sites do specify a 
background, to the user this
will look like the site is badly misdesigned. In windows browsers show 
white background if none is

specified.

However, at least in Opera (the browser that I use most often),
you can specify your custom css style sheet to define your background 
that will override default
background. FF probably has a setting somewhere that will let you do 
this, too. AFAIK no browsers
let you set them to use some color if no background is set but will show 
document's color if it is set -

but I could be wrong about this.

By the way, I'm the designer working with Rex on this.

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Re: Request for screenshots

[Jens Noeckel]

On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:17 AM, John Coppens wrote:


On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured
to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors
hurts my eyes.


But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default?  
You can

of course set your own color in the preferences.


Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each  
program

to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?

Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
selection of a default background color, don't they?


One more vote for the current background color (or at least non- 
white). My reason is that the windows with a variety of background  
colors are easier to tell apart when you have multiple programs  
running - I can tell which is Mail, LyX, or XEmacs, even if their  
windows are partly obscured so I don't see their title bars. It would  
be sad if everything were white by default.


On a related note: what's going to happen to the term "ERT" if LyX  
allows people to customize its color? It could become evil dark- 
indigo text (EDIT)... we can't allow that!!


Jens

Re: Request for screenshots

[John Coppens]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:36 +0100
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured
> > to bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors
> > hurts my eyes.
> 
> But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can 
> of course set your own color in the preferences.

Again, FWIW, I _hate_ white backgrounds, and spend time with each program
to figure out how I can reprogram it to something more 'quiet'. Ever
wonder why legal pads are yellow(ish)?

Why not leave the page background undefined? Most browsers allow
selection of a default background color, don't they?

John

Re: Request for screenshots

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:


The white background of usual text processors hurts my eyes.


  That's a very common complaint. The brightness of large white backgrounds
apparently make very subtle flickers apparent to the brain even when we do
not consciously notice them. I find looking at white backgrounds tiring
rather than painful, so the applications in which I tend to spend most of my
day are configured as white text on black backgrounds (console apps like
pine, slrn, emacs) or black text on cream/off-white backgrounds (gui apps
such as lyx and firefox).

  If the background is comparatively small, and common areas of the page
have a different background (e.g., a soothing shade of blue), that is much
less tiring or painful.

  There is probably research available on the web on the appropriate colors
(and combinations of colors) that most people find easy on the eyes,
attractive, and inviting to view.

  A number of years ago I attended a couple of (free) half-day seminars on
the use of color in computer-assisted presentations (Beamer class, for
example). It was fascinating, highly educational, and extremely useful. The
colors used affect the mood of the audience (e.g., reds and yellows generate
excitement and raise tension while blues and greys are calming), and their
subconscious impression of professionalism (muted blues, greys, maroons)
versus avant-garde, "arty" (bright reds, greens, yellows).

  I favor professional, calming, confidence-boosting colors. They also lend
credibility to the written message.

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Re: Request for screenshots

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Joost Verburg wrote:
> But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? 

Personally, I'm opposed, yes (which does not mean that much).

> You can of course set your own color in the preferences.

you too ;-)

Jürgen

Re: Request for screenshots

[Joost Verburg]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Joost Verburg wrote:

I think the default setting should be black-on-white because everyone is
used to these colors.


FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured to 
bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors hurts my 
eyes.


But would you be opposed to having the usual colors as default? You can 
of course set your own color in the preferences.


Joost

Re: Request for screenshots

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Joost Verburg wrote:
> I think the default setting should be black-on-white because everyone is
> used to these colors.

FWIW, I prefer the current color as much as I prefer creamy-coloured to 
bright-white paper. The white background of usual text processors hurts my 
eyes.

Jürgen

Re: Request for screenshots

[Joost Verburg]

Dominik Böhm wrote:

To be honest with you, I first also thought that the main canvas
looked old-fashioned, particularly the background color looked somehow
like dirty old parchment to me. But it is very gentle to my eyes as
the contrast between text and background isn't as high as in MS Word.


I think the default setting should be black-on-white because everyone is 
used to these colors. I've heard from quite some people that they first 
thought of LyX as being a very weird piece of software, just because of 
the background color.


On most TFT screens black-on-white also looks better because white isn't 
as much affected by the viewing angle as the current background color is.


Joost

Upload screenshots to wiki! (Was: Request for screenshots)

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Julio Rojas wrote:


P.S.: 3rd time I try to send this message. File size limits sucks!!! ;)


Hi,

This is just a reminder that you can upload the screenshots (or 
screencasts!) directly to the wiki. Just ask me, or any other developer, 
for the upload password.


/Christian

PS. This wiki page has information about uploading. If it's still not 
clear, _please_ ask me about it so that I can improve that page!


http://wiki.lyx.org/Site/AboutUploading

PPS. Because of spam, that page is protected from editing. If you'd like 
to improve it directly, just ask for the password!


--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Request for screenshots

[Dominik Böhm]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Andre Poenitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Since you are at it: Feel free to make proposals how LyX appearance
>  might be improved. After all, some (most... all...?) of the visual
>  appearance of the main LyX canvas looks a bit old-fashioned, too.

To be honest with you, I first also thought that the main canvas
looked old-fashioned, particularly the background color looked somehow
like dirty old parchment to me. But it is very gentle to my eyes as
the contrast between text and background isn't as high as in MS Word.

That being said, I see no need to change the appearance of the main
canvas of LyX. But the toolbars look compared to Word 2007 pretty
old-fashioned. I think a change of the icons would enhance the
appearance of LyX substantially, but the general look is neither
old-fashioned nor in need of improvement.

Re: Request for screenshots

[Andre Poenitz]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 02:48:26PM -0400, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:
> >
> > Would you like people to send them to you directly? It might help if you
> > gave some specific list of the kind of screenshots you'd like, at least as a
> > starter.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > /Christian
> 
> 
> Right. It would be best if you sent them to me directly.
> 
> Format: I think it would be most useful if people sent me the work in .lyx
> files. That way, I could decide whether to show the PDF output (to show
> people what the final product looks like) or to show the internal works if
> LyX (so people can see the intricacies of the editing environment). You
> don't have to send the entire original LyX file; you can just send a LyX
> file with the bit that would be relevant to the screenshot.
> 
> Specific requests: anything that showcases cool things you can do in LyX.
> Some of my ideas:
> -Complex math structures (equation arrays, cool equations, matrices, etc)
> -Tables, figures,...
> -Cross-references, bibliography stuff
> -LyX comments, ERT, etc.
> -Syntax highlighted code/algorithms
> -Different types of documents: mathematical proofs/
> -Something in a different language
> 
> Feel free to add onto this.

Since you are at it: Feel free to make proposals how LyX appearance
might be improved. After all, some (most... all...?) of the visual
appearance of the main LyX canvas looks a bit old-fashioned, too.

Andre'

Re: Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

>
> Would you like people to send them to you directly? It might help if you
> gave some specific list of the kind of screenshots you'd like, at least as a
> starter.
>
> Best regards,
> /Christian


Right. It would be best if you sent them to me directly.

Format: I think it would be most useful if people sent me the work in .lyx
files. That way, I could decide whether to show the PDF output (to show
people what the final product looks like) or to show the internal works if
LyX (so people can see the intricacies of the editing environment). You
don't have to send the entire original LyX file; you can just send a LyX
file with the bit that would be relevant to the screenshot.

Specific requests: anything that showcases cool things you can do in LyX.
Some of my ideas:
-Complex math structures (equation arrays, cool equations, matrices, etc)
-Tables, figures,...
-Cross-references, bibliography stuff
-LyX comments, ERT, etc.
-Syntax highlighted code/algorithms
-Different types of documents: mathematical proofs/
-Something in a different language

Feel free to add onto this.

Rex

Re: Request for screenshots

[Julio Rojas]

My "snippet"... A labeled table float with two tables inside table cells and
a big multiline equation inside another cell.

P.S.: 3rd time I try to send this message. File size limits sucks!!! ;)
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Julio Rojas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Request for screenshots

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:

Depending on our final website design, I think it might be nice to 
include couple of small image snippets of what LyX looks like on the 
front page. I like the way the following site has several images of the 
software in action: http://www.r-project.org/


Would you like people to send them to you directly? It might help if you 
gave some specific list of the kind of screenshots you'd like, at least as 
a starter.


Best regards,
/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Request for screenshots

[Dominik Böhm]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Rex C. Eastbourne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be great if some people could send in some images, along the lines
> of the attached image, that are nice graphical demonstrations of some
> functionality of LyX (equations, images, references, bibliography, you name
> it). especially if you have a nice, beautiful equation to send in :)

That would be indeed great, but I would like you all to make sure that
you're using one very neat feature: instant previews inside of LyX.

When this option is enabled, you should see this kind of "ugly"
representation of equations only when you're editing them. LyX renders
them instantly and shows the rendered version instead. Thus, your text
should look like it is, but the equation should correspond exactly to
the one in the pdf. That makes the WYSIWYG (or WYSIWYM)-experience
even better I think.

However, I like your proposal. Maybe some screenshots of how LyX
handles tables would be useful, too, as tables are a pain with plain
LaTeX.

Dominik

Re: Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

P.S.: It would also be nice to have snapshots of the PDF output as well,
since that might be more appropriate to put on the front page of the site.
So please send in those too if you can. See attached example.

Thanks,

Rex

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Rex C. Eastbourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Depending on our final website design, I think it might be nice to include
> couple of small image snippets of what LyX looks like on the front page. I
> like the way the following site has several images of the software in
> action: http://www.r-project.org/
>
> It would be great if some people could send in some images, along the
> lines of the attached image, that are nice graphical demonstrations of some
> functionality of LyX (equations, images, references, bibliography, you name
> it). especially if you have a nice, beautiful equation to send in :)
>
> Send 'em over!
>
> Rex
>
>
<>

Request for screenshots

[Rex C. Eastbourne]

Hello,

Depending on our final website design, I think it might be nice to include
couple of small image snippets of what LyX looks like on the front page. I
like the way the following site has several images of the software in
action: http://www.r-project.org/

It would be great if some people could send in some images, along the lines
of the attached image, that are nice graphical demonstrations of some
functionality of LyX (equations, images, references, bibliography, you name
it). especially if you have a nice, beautiful equation to send in :)

Send 'em over!

Rex
<>