Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) regards john -- All photography is accurate - none of it is truth. - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)
regards
john
John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
but could it be accomplished by a translation to
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
I want character styles
\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time
\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.
Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
Does that look doable to you?
Thanks
Steve
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Re: Small poll - Results
slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
--
Lgb
Re: Small poll - Results
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get
further than Hello World)
I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't
toggle three ways!
Robin
--
A free man ought not to learn anything under duress.
Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind. - Plato
Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey
www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: Small poll - Results
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote: I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't toggle three ways! The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in favour of character styles. I agree with him now. john -- All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They. - Kipling
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work! f.
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) regards john -- All photography is accurate - none of it is truth. - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)
regards
john
John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
but could it be accomplished by a translation to
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
I want character styles
\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time
\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.
Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
Does that look doable to you?
Thanks
Steve
--
_
Steve Litt
Author:
* Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
* Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
* Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist
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Re: Small poll - Results
slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
--
Lgb
Re: Small poll - Results
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get
further than Hello World)
I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't
toggle three ways!
Robin
--
A free man ought not to learn anything under duress.
Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind. - Plato
Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey
www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: Small poll - Results
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote: I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't toggle three ways! The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in favour of character styles. I agree with him now. john -- All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They. - Kipling
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work! f.
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: > Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with > the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently > finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) regards john -- "All photography is accurate - none of it is truth." - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
> > Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
> > the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
> > finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
>
> I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)
>
> regards
> john
John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
but could it be accomplished by a translation to
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
I want character styles
\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time
\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.
Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
Does that look doable to you?
Thanks
Steve
--
_
Steve Litt
Author:
* Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
* Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
* Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com
Troubleshooters.Com Webmaster
(Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
-
Re: Small poll - Results
slitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
--
Lgb
Re: Small poll - Results
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
slitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess,
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
|
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
|
| I want character styles
|
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
|
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.
or...
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
|
| Does that look doable to you?
\newcommand{shout}{...}
I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.
I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...
In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get
further than "Hello World")
I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't
toggle three ways!
Robin
--
"A free man ought not to learn anything under duress.
Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind." - Plato
Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey
www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: Small poll - Results
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote: > I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does > documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and > menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font. Can't > toggle three ways! The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in favour of character styles. I agree with him now. john -- ""All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They." - Kipling
Re: Small poll - Results
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: > > > Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with > > the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently > > finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). > > I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :) Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work! f.
Re: Small poll - Results (fwd)
Maybe this was supposed to go to the list? On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 06:00:14PM +0200, Tuukka Toivonen wrote: Maybe you should have mentioned what new features LyX has, for which people need to wait longer if they want to have Qt too? Better search and replace. Instant dvi preview e.g. for math. Ability to read any .lyx down to version 0.10. Smoother cursor navigation. Smoother handling of CutPaste. Support for short section titles etc. Support for wasy Symbols. Re-worked counters. Two or three new .layouts. Even somewhat working Qt frontend And of course loads of bugfixes. And probably some more. Andre'
Small poll - Results
I've counted (a) 2 (b) 13 (c) 3 This obviously won't change if me, myself and I cast their votes. [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently in a dark corner for the rest of the year. I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] Andre'
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 03:47:47PM +, John Levon wrote: [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently in a dark corner for the rest of the year. I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be honest. Because I work better with immediate feedback and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle next anyway... I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die) is about appearance in my eyes. What else? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 05:27:00PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be honest. Because I work better with immediate feedback Mmmm, fair point and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle next anyway... You would have this problem anyway, no ? :) You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die) is about appearance in my eyes. What else? Tried to use xforms menus recently ? (just a trivial example, naturally) john -- All photography is accurate - none of it is truth. - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] I guess for many people the problem is that xforms is clunky enough to be not only ugly beyond redemption, but actually a usability hindrance. For instance: - it's nearly impossible to navigate with the keyboard - font changes easily render dialogs unusable. I have a 1600x1200 screen and because of this I'm forced to use lyx with nearly unreadable fonts. Every other app runs with nice fonts at normal physical sizes (but with lots of pixels for rendering). - Did I mention the thing was so ugly as to be almost painful to look at? Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). But believe me, I'll be one happy camper when xforms is wiped off the face of the earth. That thing is long overdue for being taken behind the barn and acquainted with the bright end of a shotgun. Cheers, f.
Re: Small poll - Results (fwd)
Maybe this was supposed to go to the list? On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 06:00:14PM +0200, Tuukka Toivonen wrote: Maybe you should have mentioned what new features LyX has, for which people need to wait longer if they want to have Qt too? Better search and replace. Instant dvi preview e.g. for math. Ability to read any .lyx down to version 0.10. Smoother cursor navigation. Smoother handling of CutPaste. Support for short section titles etc. Support for wasy Symbols. Re-worked counters. Two or three new .layouts. Even somewhat working Qt frontend And of course loads of bugfixes. And probably some more. Andre'
Small poll - Results
I've counted (a) 2 (b) 13 (c) 3 This obviously won't change if me, myself and I cast their votes. [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently in a dark corner for the rest of the year. I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] Andre'
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 03:47:47PM +, John Levon wrote: [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently in a dark corner for the rest of the year. I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be honest. Because I work better with immediate feedback and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle next anyway... I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die) is about appearance in my eyes. What else? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 05:27:00PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be honest. Because I work better with immediate feedback Mmmm, fair point and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle next anyway... You would have this problem anyway, no ? :) You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die) is about appearance in my eyes. What else? Tried to use xforms menus recently ? (just a trivial example, naturally) john -- All photography is accurate - none of it is truth. - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] I guess for many people the problem is that xforms is clunky enough to be not only ugly beyond redemption, but actually a usability hindrance. For instance: - it's nearly impossible to navigate with the keyboard - font changes easily render dialogs unusable. I have a 1600x1200 screen and because of this I'm forced to use lyx with nearly unreadable fonts. Every other app runs with nice fonts at normal physical sizes (but with lots of pixels for rendering). - Did I mention the thing was so ugly as to be almost painful to look at? Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). But believe me, I'll be one happy camper when xforms is wiped off the face of the earth. That thing is long overdue for being taken behind the barn and acquainted with the bright end of a shotgun. Cheers, f.
Re: Small poll - Results (fwd)
Maybe this was supposed to go to the list? On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 06:00:14PM +0200, Tuukka Toivonen wrote: > Maybe you should have mentioned what new features LyX has, for which people > need to wait longer if they want to have Qt too? Better search and replace. Instant dvi preview e.g. for math. Ability to read any .lyx down to version 0.10. Smoother cursor navigation. Smoother handling of Cut Support for "short" section titles etc. Support for wasy Symbols. Re-worked counters. Two or three new .layouts. Even "somewhat working Qt frontend" And of course loads of bugfixes. And probably some more. Andre'
Small poll - Results
I've counted (a) 2 (b) 13 (c) 3 This obviously won't change if me, myself and I cast their votes. [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently in a dark corner for the rest of the year. I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] Andre'
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 03:47:47PM +, John Levon wrote: > > [For lyx-devel: I hereby officially admit defeat and I solemnly promise > > to do my growling and howling regarding this particular issue silently > > in a dark corner for the rest of the year. > > I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be > honest. Because I work better with immediate feedback and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle next anyway... > > I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over > > functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] > > You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to > do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better "have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die)" is about appearance in my eyes. What else? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 05:27:00PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > I still am completely lost as to why you can't work in a branch, to be > > honest. > > Because I work better with immediate feedback Mmmm, fair point > and quite a few things would clash with places Lars wants to handle > next anyway... You would have this problem anyway, no ? :) > > You were wrong because your assumptions are wrong. It has not so much to > > do with appearance. The sooner you understand this, the better > > "have Qt asap (and - unspoken - let that ugly xform thingy die)" is about > appearance in my eyes. What else? Tried to use xforms menus recently ? (just a trivial example, naturally) john -- "All photography is accurate - none of it is truth." - Richard Avedon
Re: Small poll - Results
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > I really did not expect that kind of clear preference of appearance over > functionality. Well, not the first time I've been proven wrong I guess.] I guess for many people the problem is that xforms is clunky enough to be not only ugly beyond redemption, but actually a usability hindrance. For instance: - it's nearly impossible to navigate with the keyboard - font changes easily render dialogs unusable. I have a 1600x1200 screen and because of this I'm forced to use lyx with nearly unreadable fonts. Every other app runs with nice fonts at normal physical sizes (but with lots of pixels for rendering). - Did I mention the thing was so ugly as to be almost painful to look at? Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4). But believe me, I'll be one happy camper when xforms is wiped off the face of the earth. That thing is long overdue for being taken behind the barn and acquainted with the bright end of a shotgun. Cheers, f.
