Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread knauslists
Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

I have attached my bst file.



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Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a sort 
key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those keys. 
It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than author, 
year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 vs 
pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd need to 
normalize somehow so the former would be 036, or something like that. 
(Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the n.dashify 
routine for ideas how to do that.


rh



Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

rgheck wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in 
Lyx. Maybe it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no 
latex/bibtex expert by far and so maybe users of this list can give 
me a hint.


My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style 
(created with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue 
and from the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding 
an a or b at the end of the year, e.g.


Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition 
of a's and b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which 
is generally o.k. but if it's in the same journal issue it should be 
sorted numerically according to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so 
long ago that I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add 
some special bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?


  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a 
sort key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those 
keys. It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than 
author, year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 
vs pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd 
need to normalize somehow so the former would be 036, or something 
like that. (Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the 
n.dashify routine for ideas how to do that.



This kind of thing will work for normalzing...but I've not tested it.

FUNCTION {n.normalize}
{
   't :=
   t 'save :=
   0 'num :=
   { t empty$ not }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$ - =
   { '' t := }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$
   t #2 global.max$ substring$ 't :=
   num #1 + 'num :=
   }
   if$
   }
 while$
   #5 'norml :=
   { norml num  }
   { '0' save * 'save := }
   while$
   save
}



Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread knauslists
Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

I have attached my bst file.



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Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a sort 
key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those keys. 
It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than author, 
year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 vs 
pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd need to 
normalize somehow so the former would be 036, or something like that. 
(Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the n.dashify 
routine for ideas how to do that.


rh



Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

rgheck wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in 
Lyx. Maybe it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no 
latex/bibtex expert by far and so maybe users of this list can give 
me a hint.


My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style 
(created with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue 
and from the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding 
an a or b at the end of the year, e.g.


Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition 
of a's and b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which 
is generally o.k. but if it's in the same journal issue it should be 
sorted numerically according to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so 
long ago that I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add 
some special bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?


  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a 
sort key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those 
keys. It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than 
author, year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 
vs pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd 
need to normalize somehow so the former would be 036, or something 
like that. (Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the 
n.dashify routine for ideas how to do that.



This kind of thing will work for normalzing...but I've not tested it.

FUNCTION {n.normalize}
{
   't :=
   t 'save :=
   0 'num :=
   { t empty$ not }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$ - =
   { '' t := }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$
   t #2 global.max$ substring$ 't :=
   num #1 + 'num :=
   }
   if$
   }
 while$
   #5 'norml :=
   { norml num  }
   { '0' save * 'save := }
   while$
   save
}



Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread knauslists
Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

I have attached my bst file.



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Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in Lyx. Maybe 
it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no latex/bibtex expert by far and 
so maybe users of this list can give me a hint.

My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style (created 
with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue and from 
the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding an a or b at the 
end of the year, e.g.

Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition of a's and 
b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which is generally o.k. 
but if it's in the same journal issue it should be sorted numerically according 
to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so long ago that 
I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add some special 
bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?

  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a sort 
key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those keys. 
It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than author, 
year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 vs 
pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd need to 
normalize somehow so the former would be "036", or something like that. 
(Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the n.dashify 
routine for ideas how to do that.


rh



Re: Strange Bibtex behavior

2008-10-12 Thread rgheck

rgheck wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I ran into a strange problem with bibtex while editing my thesis in 
Lyx. Maybe it is not really a problem with lyx but I'm no 
latex/bibtex expert by far and so maybe users of this list can give 
me a hint.


My problem is:

I use author-year citations with my own nat-bib based bibtex style 
(created with custombib).
I have two citations from the same author, in the same journal issue 
and from the same year. These are made unique by automatically adding 
an a or b at the end of the year, e.g.


Knaus (2008) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

should be coverted to

Knaus (2008a) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1.  p. 1-12
Knaus (2008b) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

but gets converted to

Knaus (2008b) Introduction. Journal. Issue 1. p. 1-12
Knaus (2008a) Another new hypothesis. Journal. Issue 1. p. 20-30

Probably there is something in the bst file which sorts the addition 
of a's and b's according to the alphabetical order of the title which 
is generally o.k. but if it's in the same journal issue it should be 
sorted numerically according to the pages.
How do I get this? (I have looked into the bst file, but it is so 
long ago that I created it...)
Do I have to change something in the .bst file or do I have to add 
some special bibtex trick to the preamble of my Lyx file?


  
It's the bst file that handles this. The presort routine assigns a 
sort key to each entry, and then they are sorted according to those 
keys. It's a pretty basic routine. What you get is not much more than 
author, year, and title, though you get a bit more in some cases.


So you need to fiddle with the presort routine and include the page 
numbers in the key. This will be kind of tricky to get, as the obvious 
thing to do will get the wrong result with something like: pp. 34-60 
vs pp. 124-50. The latter is lexically before the former, so you'd 
need to normalize somehow so the former would be "036", or something 
like that. (Surely, the end pages don't matter.) You can look at the 
n.dashify routine for ideas how to do that.



This kind of thing will work for normalzing...but I've not tested it.

FUNCTION {n.normalize}
{
   't :=
   t 'save :=
   0 'num :=
   { t empty$ not }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$ "-" =
   { '' t := }
   {
   t #1 #1 substring$
   t #2 global.max$ substring$ 't :=
   num #1 + 'num :=
   }
   if$
   }
 while$
   #5 'norml :=
   { norml num > }
   { '0' save * 'save := }
   while$
   save
}