Re: Tables and more tables

[Pavel Sanda]

John Coppens wrote:
  This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
  major LyX version 2.0.
 
 Thanks for the reply Uwe.
 
 I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

we don't recommend to use any of 2.0alpha/beta for serious work, thats why we
call them alpha/beta. the moment we feel some stability has been gained
we will release 2.0.

pavel

Re: Tables and more tables

[Pavel Sanda]

John Coppens wrote:
  This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
  major LyX version 2.0.
 
 Thanks for the reply Uwe.
 
 I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

we don't recommend to use any of 2.0alpha/beta for serious work, thats why we
call them alpha/beta. the moment we feel some stability has been gained
we will release 2.0.

pavel

Re: Tables and more tables

[Pavel Sanda]

John Coppens wrote:
> > This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
> > major LyX version 2.0.
> 
> Thanks for the reply Uwe.
> 
> I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

we don't recommend to use any of 2.0alpha/beta for serious work, thats why we
call them alpha/beta. the moment we feel some stability has been gained
we will release 2.0.

pavel

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 11.09.2010 06:47, schrieb John Coppens:


I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7?


There is not yet a beta version of LyX 2.0.


2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec.
2.12.1 Row Spacing.)


I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
   I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.


Do you have a _small_ LyX example file for me?

regards Uwe

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 11.09.2010 06:47, schrieb John Coppens:


I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7?


There is not yet a beta version of LyX 2.0.


2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec.
2.12.1 Row Spacing.)


I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
   I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.


Do you have a _small_ LyX example file for me?

regards Uwe

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 11.09.2010 06:47, schrieb John Coppens:


I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7?


There is not yet a beta version of LyX 2.0.


2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 "Subfloats" and/or sec.
2.12.1 "Row Spacing".)


I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
   I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.


Do you have a _small_ LyX example file for me?

regards Uwe

Re: Tables and more tables

[Todd Denniston]

John Coppens wrote, On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM:
 Hello people,
 
 Two problems with tables:
 
 1) Scrolling:
 
 When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
SNIP
 
 I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
 worse by causing extra scrolling.
 
 Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?
 

If the toolbar is of use to you, I have found that locking it in made the 
situation better.
to lock it in...
get into some standard text
select View-Toolbars
select Table (auto)

If you look back in View-Toolbars it will show a check mark next to Table 
(auto), and the Table
toolbar will stay stuck on LyX User Interface until you undo the check mark, 
thus less random scrolling.

I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
Hope this helps some.
-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:53:28 -0400
Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@tsb.cranrdte.navy.mil wrote:

 I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
 Hope this helps some.

Great idea, Todd. Thanks

John

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:03:44 +0200
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:
 
  1) Scrolling:
 
  When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
  unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,
 
 This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
 major LyX version 2.0.

Thanks for the reply Uwe.

I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

  2) Table in table:
 
  I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
  touching, which isn't too aesthetic...
 
 Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
 EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
 examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec. 
 2.12.1 Row Spacing.)

I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
  I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.

3.7 mentions putting minipages... Tried that too. That made the
register tables go outside the outer table (to the right). Tried to
adjust sizes (as text %, as cm etc, but all tests gave unpredictable
results.

None of the tests allowed to add spacing below the inner table.

I also tested (as I commented in the previous mail), that inserting a
vertical space below the inner table actually works, but doesn't
communicate the new size to the outer table, so the bottom border of
the table row disappears.

It's a small document. If someone would like to have a go, I'll post
the LyX file.

Thanks!
John

Re: Tables and more tables

[Todd Denniston]

John Coppens wrote, On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM:
 Hello people,
 
 Two problems with tables:
 
 1) Scrolling:
 
 When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
SNIP
 
 I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
 worse by causing extra scrolling.
 
 Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?
 

If the toolbar is of use to you, I have found that locking it in made the 
situation better.
to lock it in...
get into some standard text
select View-Toolbars
select Table (auto)

If you look back in View-Toolbars it will show a check mark next to Table 
(auto), and the Table
toolbar will stay stuck on LyX User Interface until you undo the check mark, 
thus less random scrolling.

I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
Hope this helps some.
-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:53:28 -0400
Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@tsb.cranrdte.navy.mil wrote:

 I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
 Hope this helps some.

Great idea, Todd. Thanks

John

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:03:44 +0200
Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:

 Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:
 
  1) Scrolling:
 
  When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
  unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,
 
 This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
 major LyX version 2.0.

Thanks for the reply Uwe.

I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

  2) Table in table:
 
  I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
  touching, which isn't too aesthetic...
 
 Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
 EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
 examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec. 
 2.12.1 Row Spacing.)

I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
  I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.

3.7 mentions putting minipages... Tried that too. That made the
register tables go outside the outer table (to the right). Tried to
adjust sizes (as text %, as cm etc, but all tests gave unpredictable
results.

None of the tests allowed to add spacing below the inner table.

I also tested (as I commented in the previous mail), that inserting a
vertical space below the inner table actually works, but doesn't
communicate the new size to the outer table, so the bottom border of
the table row disappears.

It's a small document. If someone would like to have a go, I'll post
the LyX file.

Thanks!
John

Re: Tables and more tables

[Todd Denniston]

John Coppens wrote, On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM:
> Hello people,
> 
> Two problems with tables:
> 
> 1) Scrolling:
> 
> When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes

> 
> I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
> worse by causing extra scrolling.
> 
> Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?
> 

If the toolbar is of use to you, I have found that "locking" it in made the 
situation better.
to lock it in...
get into some standard text
select View->Toolbars
select "Table (auto)"

If you look back in View->Toolbars it will show a check mark next to "Table 
(auto)", and the Table
toolbar will stay stuck on LyX User Interface until you undo the check mark, 
thus less random scrolling.

I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
Hope this helps some.
-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:53:28 -0400
Todd Denniston  wrote:

> I do this when I have a document in which I am doing a lot of table editing.
> Hope this helps some.

Great idea, Todd. Thanks

John

Re: Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:03:44 +0200
Uwe Stöhr  wrote:

> Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:
> 
> > 1) Scrolling:
> >
> > When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
> > unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,
> 
> This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
> major LyX version 2.0.

Thanks for the reply Uwe.

I'm not clear if the beta is stable enough to replace 1.6.7? 

> > 2) Table in table:
> >
> > I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
> > touching, which isn't too aesthetic...
> 
> Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
> EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
> examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 "Subfloats" and/or sec. 
> 2.12.1 "Row Spacing".)

I tried the suggestions in 2.12.1:
  I added 3 mm 'bottom of the row', but no difference came out in the
PDF (the screen did update, and to be sure I also clicked 'update' PDF).
DVI didn't show the space either.

3.7 mentions putting minipages... Tried that too. That made the
register tables go outside the outer table (to the right). Tried to
adjust sizes (as text %, as cm etc, but all tests gave unpredictable
results.

None of the tests allowed to add spacing below the inner table.

I also tested (as I commented in the previous mail), that inserting a
vertical space below the inner table actually works, but doesn't
communicate the new size to the outer table, so the bottom border of
the table row disappears.

It's a small document. If someone would like to have a go, I'll post
the LyX file.

Thanks!
John

Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

Hello people,

Two problems with tables:

1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around, so
scrolling has to be done clicking columns. This gets a little tiring if a
lot of editing has to be done.

Selecting a cell can get very difficult, causing the table to jump around
and making a correct selection nearly impossible.

I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
worse by causing extra scrolling.

Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?

2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic... I found how to add \extrarowheight
in table cells, but that seems to add space only at the top of the cell.
How can I add extra margin at the bottom? (Also tried a DefSkip below the
internal table, but this makes the bottom border of the cell disappear -
weird)

This is the generated PDF:

http://jcoppens.com/univ/iua/hds/data/address_modes.pdf

Thanks on beforehand!
John

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:


1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,


This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
major LyX version 2.0.



2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec. 
2.12.1 Row Spacing.)


regards Uwe

Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

Hello people,

Two problems with tables:

1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around, so
scrolling has to be done clicking columns. This gets a little tiring if a
lot of editing has to be done.

Selecting a cell can get very difficult, causing the table to jump around
and making a correct selection nearly impossible.

I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
worse by causing extra scrolling.

Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?

2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic... I found how to add \extrarowheight
in table cells, but that seems to add space only at the top of the cell.
How can I add extra margin at the bottom? (Also tried a DefSkip below the
internal table, but this makes the bottom border of the cell disappear -
weird)

This is the generated PDF:

http://jcoppens.com/univ/iua/hds/data/address_modes.pdf

Thanks on beforehand!
John

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:


1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,


This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
major LyX version 2.0.



2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 Subfloats and/or sec. 
2.12.1 Row Spacing.)


regards Uwe

Tables and more tables

[John Coppens]

Hello people,

Two problems with tables:

1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around, so
scrolling has to be done clicking columns. This gets a little tiring if a
lot of editing has to be done.

Selecting a cell can get very difficult, causing the table to jump around
and making a correct selection nearly impossible.

I already disabled the automatic table toolbar. The toolbar made things
worse by causing extra scrolling.

Is there any way to get a more predictable behaviour?

2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic... I found how to add \extrarowheight
in table cells, but that seems to add space only at the top of the cell.
How can I add extra margin at the bottom? (Also tried a DefSkip below the
internal table, but this makes the bottom border of the cell disappear -
weird)

This is the generated PDF:

http://jcoppens.com/univ/iua/hds/data/address_modes.pdf

Thanks on beforehand!
John

Re: Tables and more tables

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 09.09.2010 18:45, schrieb John Coppens:


1) Scrolling:

When a table gets a bit large (mostly wide), scrolling becomes
unmanageable. No scrollbar is available to move the screen around,


This is a known problem. The situation will be much better in the next 
major LyX version 2.0.



2) Table in table:

I had to put a small table inside another table. The table borders are
touching, which isn't too aesthetic...


Insert some horizontal or vertical space if necessary. The 
EmbeddedObkects manual that you find in LyX's Help emnu shows you many 
examples how to do this. (Start with sec. 3.7 "Subfloats" and/or sec. 
2.12.1 "Row Spacing".)


regards Uwe