Re: The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-17 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Heiko Schröder wrote:
 Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you
 load the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an
 ASCII-sign, save the file and open again with vim to get the old German
 letter back, then the latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most
 of you know.

I'm not sure I understand. Maybe the root of the problem is that you save the 
text file in unicode instead of latin1, while using
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
instead of
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

Jürgen


Re: The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-17 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Heiko Schröder wrote:
 Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you
 load the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an
 ASCII-sign, save the file and open again with vim to get the old German
 letter back, then the latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most
 of you know.

I'm not sure I understand. Maybe the root of the problem is that you save the 
text file in unicode instead of latin1, while using
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
instead of
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

Jürgen


Re: The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-17 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Heiko Schröder wrote:
> Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you
> load the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an
> ASCII-sign, save the file and open again with vim to get the old German
> letter back, then the latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most
> of you know.

I'm not sure I understand. Maybe the root of the problem is that you save the 
text file in unicode instead of latin1, while using
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
instead of
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

Jürgen


The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-16 Thread Heiko Schröder
Dear list, 

browsing down the recent mails of the archive, I found that a lot of users 
found themselves vaced to that disgusting problem which occurs with the 
*inputenc* package, although it sureley has nothing to do with the package 
itself. Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you load 
the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an ASCII-sign, save 
the file and open again with vim to get the old German letter back, then the 
latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most of you know. 

I did not find any solution in the list up to now. But what is much more 
important to say: D. Knuths idea was that it should be able to translate 
LaTeX-files even in 100 years. I wonder what is left from that splendid idea. 

I am working with LyX since 1997 and it is not only good any more, it is 
splendid software. But what about the people who need a better editor (since 
LyX is much more) like vim? The main aim of LaTeX was IMHO that the author 
can focus on his work. The amount of time which is saved in contrast to 
wordprocessors now comes *much* more back for the search of the solution of 
that *inputenc* problem which is hardly possible to explain since the two 
TeX-Files written by vim and exported by LyX are identical. 

If you have any comments or ideas, thanks a lot
Heiko

-- 
Heiko Schröder
Praha, Ceska Republika
http://www.od.shuttle.de/evb-1


The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-16 Thread Heiko Schröder
Dear list, 

browsing down the recent mails of the archive, I found that a lot of users 
found themselves vaced to that disgusting problem which occurs with the 
*inputenc* package, although it sureley has nothing to do with the package 
itself. Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you load 
the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an ASCII-sign, save 
the file and open again with vim to get the old German letter back, then the 
latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most of you know. 

I did not find any solution in the list up to now. But what is much more 
important to say: D. Knuths idea was that it should be able to translate 
LaTeX-files even in 100 years. I wonder what is left from that splendid idea. 

I am working with LyX since 1997 and it is not only good any more, it is 
splendid software. But what about the people who need a better editor (since 
LyX is much more) like vim? The main aim of LaTeX was IMHO that the author 
can focus on his work. The amount of time which is saved in contrast to 
wordprocessors now comes *much* more back for the search of the solution of 
that *inputenc* problem which is hardly possible to explain since the two 
TeX-Files written by vim and exported by LyX are identical. 

If you have any comments or ideas, thanks a lot
Heiko

-- 
Heiko Schröder
Praha, Ceska Republika
http://www.od.shuttle.de/evb-1


The well known *inputenc* problem - what is left from D. Knuths Idea?

2006-07-16 Thread Heiko Schröder
Dear list, 

browsing down the recent mails of the archive, I found that a lot of users 
found themselves vaced to that disgusting problem which occurs with the 
*inputenc* package, although it sureley has nothing to do with the package 
itself. Writing a single German diphtong goes well with LyX. But if you load 
the same TeX-File in vim 7.0, substitute that letter with an ASCII-sign, save 
the file and open again with vim to get the old German letter back, then the 
latex-dance failes with that annyoing problem, most of you know. 

I did not find any solution in the list up to now. But what is much more 
important to say: D. Knuths idea was that it should be able to translate 
LaTeX-files even in 100 years. I wonder what is left from that splendid idea. 

I am working with LyX since 1997 and it is not only good any more, it is 
splendid software. But what about the people who need a better editor (since 
LyX is much more) like vim? The main aim of LaTeX was IMHO that the author 
can focus on his work. The amount of time which is saved in contrast to 
wordprocessors now comes *much* more back for the search of the solution of 
that *inputenc* problem which is hardly possible to explain since the two 
TeX-Files written by vim and exported by LyX are identical. 

If you have any comments or ideas, thanks a lot
Heiko

-- 
Heiko Schröder
Praha, Ceska Republika
http://www.od.shuttle.de/evb-1