Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Allan> What's wrong with changing the paragraph alignment with
Allan> Layout->Paragraph like you do for every other paragraph in your
Allan> document?

To concur with Allan : wanting tabular to be centered by default is
like saying that LyX should add \textsf around section headings
because this is nicer... If tables are really better centered; then
someone should go ahead and look for a package that centers tables
automatically in LaTeX. The LyX could support it.

Allan> Maybe someone might like to add LFUNs for 'paragraph-align
Allan> [block|left|right|centre]' then you can setup a keybinding for
Allan> faster access to it.

Rather than adding a LFUN for this particular use, it would be better
to have a more general way to alter paragraphs properties.

Allan> Why am I bothering to argue this anyway? Someone else fought
Allan> this battle weeks ago.

Don't give up :)

JMarc



Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-21 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes

German Poo Caaman~o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| Allan Rae wrote:
| > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:
| > What's wrong with changing the paragraph alignment with Layout->Paragraph
| > like you do for every other paragraph in your document?
| 
| Because it's annoying when you insert a lot of tables.  I agree with
| a propertie of table (in its window).
| 
| I understand it could be possible has differents alingment, but block
| alignment results left aligned in the most of cases.  Furthermore, 
| when there is a tabular inset inside table float, the caption is 
| centered but the table is left aligned.

This is the LaTeX defaults.

Lgb




Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-20 Thread German Poo Caaman~o

Allan Rae wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> What's wrong with changing the paragraph alignment with Layout->Paragraph
> like you do for every other paragraph in your document?

Because it's annoying when you insert a lot of tables.  I agree with
a propertie of table (in its window).

I understand it could be possible has differents alingment, but block
alignment results left aligned in the most of cases.  Furthermore, 
when there is a tabular inset inside table float, the caption is 
centered but the table is left aligned.

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Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-20 Thread Allan Rae

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:

>
> On 20-Feb-2001 Dekel Tsur wrote:
>
> > I still don't see why we can't add a "centered" button to the "Insert Tabular"
> > dialog, and if this button is selected then a new centered paragraph is
> > created to which the tabular is inserted (by default, the button is not
> > selected).
>
> I would say by default the button should be selected :)
>
> And yes I think we should have it!

Here we go all over again ;-)

What's wrong with changing the paragraph alignment with Layout->Paragraph
like you do for every other paragraph in your document?

Maybe someone might like to add LFUNs for 'paragraph-align
[block|left|right|centre]' then you can setup a keybinding for faster
access to it.

Why am I bothering to argue this anyway? Someone else fought this battle
weeks ago.

Allan. (ARRae)




Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-20 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 20-Feb-2001 Dekel Tsur wrote:

> I still don't see why we can't add a "centered" button to the "Insert Tabular"
> dialog, and if this button is selected then a new centered paragraph is
> created to which the tabular is inserted (by default, the button is not
> selected).

I would say by default the button should be selected :)

And yes I think we should have it!

  Jürgen

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Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-20 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 03:47:41PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> > Is there a way to set this in, for example lyxrc?  Personally, I also
> > find this "bug fix" annoying - in almost all publishing layouts, tables
> > are centred.
> 
> But they aren't centred by default for that document class otherwise your
> table in your output would be centred.  So LyX was always doing something
> extra that it probably shouldn't have -- since it didn't reflect the
> default document formatting.  There was a huge arguement about this on the
> developers list.  The bug fix won.

I still don't see why we can't add a "centered" button to the "Insert Tabular"
dialog, and if this button is selected then a new centered paragraph is
created to which the tabular is inserted (by default, the button is not
selected).



Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

> "Yann" == Yann Collete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Yann> Hello, I also use lyx-1.1.6fix1 and encounter this kind of
Yann> problem (table centering). The thing I use to fix this is to add
Yann> a HFill symbol on the left of the table and on the right.

Why don't you just set the paragraph justification to 'centered'?

JMarc



Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-19 Thread Yann Collete

Hello,

I also use lyx-1.1.6fix1 and encounter this kind of problem
(table centering). The thing I use to fix this is to add
a HFill symbol on the left of the table and on the right.

YC




Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-19 Thread Allan Rae

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, robin wrote:

> Herbert Voss wrote:
> >
> > German Poo Caaman~o wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > > Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
> > > > > but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
> > > > > but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it a new feature or a mistake?
> > > >
> > > > It is a bug fix.  Tables shouldn't be centred by default.
> > >
> > > I prefer the bug :-)
> > > It coulb be nice choose the alignment for the table, because
> > > now is necessary an ERT to solve it.
> >
> > cursor left or right the table and
> > layout-paragraph-center
>
> Is there a way to set this in, for example lyxrc?  Personally, I also
> find this "bug fix" annoying - in almost all publishing layouts, tables
> are centred.

But they aren't centred by default for that document class otherwise your
table in your output would be centred.  So LyX was always doing something
extra that it probably shouldn't have -- since it didn't reflect the
default document formatting.  There was a huge arguement about this on the
developers list.  The bug fix won.

Allan. (ARRae)




Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-19 Thread robin

Herbert Voss wrote:
> 
> German Poo Caaman~o wrote:
> >

> > > > Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
> > > > but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
> > > > but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.
> > > >
> > > > Is it a new feature or a mistake?
> > >
> > > It is a bug fix.  Tables shouldn't be centred by default.
> >
> > I prefer the bug :-)
> > It coulb be nice choose the alignment for the table, because
> > now is necessary an ERT to solve it.
> 
> cursor left or right the table and
> layout-paragraph-center
 
Is there a way to set this in, for example lyxrc?  Personally, I also
find this "bug fix" annoying - in almost all publishing layouts, tables
are centred.

Robin



Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-18 Thread Herbert Voss

German Poo Caaman~o wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Allan Rae wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, German Poo Caaman~o wrote:
> > > Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
> > > but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
> > > but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.
> > >
> > > Is it a new feature or a mistake?
> >
> > It is a bug fix.  Tables shouldn't be centred by default.
> 
> I prefer the bug :-)
> It coulb be nice choose the alignment for the table, because
> now is necessary an ERT to solve it.

cursor left or right the table and
layout-paragraph-center

HErbert

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Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-18 Thread German Poo Caaman~o

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Allan Rae wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, German Poo Caaman~o wrote:
> > Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
> > but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
> > but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.
> >
> > Is it a new feature or a mistake?
> 
> It is a bug fix.  Tables shouldn't be centred by default.

I prefer the bug :-)
It coulb be nice choose the alignment for the table, because
now is necessary an ERT to solve it.

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Re: What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-18 Thread Allan Rae

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, German Poo Caaman~o wrote:

> Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
> but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
> but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.
>
> Is it a new feature or a mistake?

It is a bug fix.  Tables shouldn't be centred by default.

Allan. (ARRae)




What's happening with tabular in 1.1.6?

2001-02-18 Thread German Poo Caaman~o


Before LyX 1.1.6 the default behaviour for tabular was {\centering,
but it doesn't happen anymore.  All my new tables are left aligned,
but doesn't happen with tables created before than 1.1.5.

Is it a new feature or a mistake?
-- 
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