Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 15:03, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 15:03, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 15:03, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > > > variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you explain why? Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 11:42:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you explain why? Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? Qt 3 relied in several places on the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you explain why? Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 11:42:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you explain why? Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? Qt 3 relied in several places on the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Could you explain why? > > Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 11:42:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Could you explain why? > > > > Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. > > No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? Qt 3 relied in several

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by a distribution nor by LyX. Could you explain why?

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 09:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed,

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by a distribution nor by LyX. Could you explain why? I'm not sure which statement you'd like explained. The statement I made was After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:42:25PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones)

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by a distribution nor by LyX. Could you explain why?

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 09:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed,

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by a distribution nor by LyX. Could you explain why? I'm not sure which statement you'd like explained. The statement I made was After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-03-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:42:25PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones)

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by > a distribution nor by LyX. Could you

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 09:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > > > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones)

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by >> > a distribution nor by LyX. >> >> Could you explain why? > > I'm not sure which statement you'd like explained. The statement I made > was "After what I went through, I'd

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:42:25PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > > > The QT4* values are (contrary to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months - Desireable backward compatibility:

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 22 February 2008 03:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months - Desireable backward compatibility:

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 22 February 2008 03:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months - Desireable backward compatibility:

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 22 February 2008 03:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: > > > > Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months > > Age of distro when installed: 4 months > > Time between distro upgrades 24 months > >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:43:12 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I've promised to keep out of this thread but this is again plain FUD, LyX-1.5 is perfectly compilable with Qt-4.1.0. The INSTALL file only says that it has been _tested_ with Qt-4.1.5. All version of Qt-4.1.x are course binary and

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Pavel Sanda
Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections. Pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread G. Milde
On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? --- /home/m/INSTALL 2008-02-21 13:56:56.0 +0100 +++ /home/m/INSTALL.old 2008-02-21 13:58:20.0 +0100 @@

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
G. Milde wrote: On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? Sure, thanks. Abdel.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:48, Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why. make clean is not enough? I am asking although I suspect that the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 07:47, Helge Hafting wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Makes perfect sense to me, and I couldn't have said it better myself. A person should not have to upgrade their distro every few months in order to compile the latest apps. If you want to compile the very _latest_

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc That reminds me of one more thing: After what

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:27:25AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:54:05PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: LyX makes great use of C++ Standard Template Library (STL). This means that gcc users will have to install the relevant libstdc++ library to be able to compile this version of LyX. I'd drop this paragraph. If at all it's the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:48:43PM +, José Matos wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of Lyx

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 20:03:04 Steve Litt wrote:   --with-version-suffix=1.5.3 You can simply use --with-version-suffix and configure will put the right version for you. :-) -- José Abílio

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc UIC4=/usr/lib/qt4/bin/uic \

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 11:48, José Matos wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why. make

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 19:55:28 Steve Litt wrote: On my box, every make, whether successful or failure, takes about 25 minutes, and ./configure takes 5 minutes. I'm not going to have time to do that for at least a couple weeks. In such cases ccache is really useful. :-) The answer to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:09:12PM -0200, John Coppens wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:53:25 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are talking about Qt 4._1_ and that's quite a bit more than a year old. So this fits well into your concept of 'grace period'. Mmmm... Sorry about that. Twice confused. I was convinced having read somewhere that LyX

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:43:12 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I've promised to keep out of this thread but this is again plain FUD, LyX-1.5 is perfectly compilable with Qt-4.1.0. The INSTALL file only says that it has been _tested_ with Qt-4.1.5. All version of Qt-4.1.x are course binary and

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Pavel Sanda
Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections. Pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread G. Milde
On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? --- /home/m/INSTALL 2008-02-21 13:56:56.0 +0100 +++ /home/m/INSTALL.old 2008-02-21 13:58:20.0 +0100 @@

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
G. Milde wrote: On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? Sure, thanks. Abdel.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:48, Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why. make clean is not enough? I am asking although I suspect that the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 07:47, Helge Hafting wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Makes perfect sense to me, and I couldn't have said it better myself. A person should not have to upgrade their distro every few months in order to compile the latest apps. If you want to compile the very _latest_

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc That reminds me of one more thing: After what

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:27:25AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: G. Milde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:54:05PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: LyX makes great use of C++ Standard Template Library (STL). This means that gcc users will have to install the relevant libstdc++ library to be able to compile this version of LyX. I'd drop this paragraph. If at all it's the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:48:43PM +, José Matos wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of Lyx

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 20:03:04 Steve Litt wrote:   --with-version-suffix=1.5.3 You can simply use --with-version-suffix and configure will put the right version for you. :-) -- José Abílio

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc UIC4=/usr/lib/qt4/bin/uic \

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 11:48, José Matos wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: So I'd add something like: WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! And then add a sentence saying why. make

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 19:55:28 Steve Litt wrote: On my box, every make, whether successful or failure, takes about 25 minutes, and ./configure takes 5 minutes. I'm not going to have time to do that for at least a couple weeks. In such cases ccache is really useful. :-) The answer to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:09:12PM -0200, John Coppens wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:53:25 +0100 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are talking about Qt 4._1_ and that's quite a bit more than a year old. So this fits well into your concept of 'grace period'. Mmmm... Sorry about that. Twice confused. I was convinced having read somewhere that LyX

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:43:12 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I've promised to keep out of this thread but this is again plain FUD, > LyX-1.5 is perfectly compilable with Qt-4.1.0. The INSTALL file only > says that it has been _tested_ with Qt-4.1.5. All version of Qt-4.1.x > are course binary

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to > cure > the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections. Pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread G. Milde
On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see > attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? --- /home/m/INSTALL 2008-02-21 13:56:56.0 +0100 +++ /home/m/INSTALL.old 2008-02-21 13:58:20.0 +0100 @@

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for >specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
G. Milde wrote: On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? Sure, thanks. Abdel.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:48, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to > > cure the problem turned out to be: > > Good to hear. > > Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere > in the wrong direction, the best you

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > So I'd add something like: > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > And then add a sentence saying why. make clean is not enough? I am asking although I suspect that

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 07:47, Helge Hafting wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Makes perfect sense to me, and I couldn't have said it better myself. A > > person should not have to upgrade their distro every few months in order > > to compile the latest apps. > > If you want to compile the very

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables > to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > "G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for > >specifying the qt4 dir. > > Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. > > JMarc That reminds me of one more

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:27:25AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for > > >specifying the qt4 dir. > > > > Actually, the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:54:05PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > LyX makes great use of C++ Standard Template Library (STL). This means > that gcc users will have to install the relevant libstdc++ library to > be able to compile this version of LyX. I'd drop this paragraph. If at all it's the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:48:43PM +, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > > So I'd add something like: > > > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > > > And then add a sentence

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up > > on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 20:03:04 Steve Litt wrote: >   --with-version-suffix=1.5.3 You can simply use --with-version-suffix and configure will put the right version for you. :-) -- José Abílio

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > > variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > What do you mean? > > JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 11:48, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > > So I'd add something like: > > > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > > > And then add a sentence saying

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 19:55:28 Steve Litt wrote: > On my box, every make, whether successful or failure, takes about 25 > minutes, and ./configure takes 5 minutes. I'm not going to have time to do > that for at least a couple weeks. In such cases ccache is really useful. :-) > The

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:09:12PM -0200, John Coppens wrote: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:53:25 +0100 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are talking about Qt 4._1_ and that's quite a bit more than a year > old. So this fits well into your concept of 'grace period'. Mmmm... Sorry about that. Twice confused. I was convinced having read somewhere that

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
deedee wrote: The only other issue I'm aware of I believe someone already mentioned. You have to make sure that the devel- files are the same as the regular ones; just as some software that requires kernel-headers to install from source, the kernel-headers have to the same as the current

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:02:34 -0600 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008 1:38 PM, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt 2.2.3, I would

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 01:22, you wrote: Nobody cautioned you yet in this thread. Delete the source tree and untar a fresh copy before re-setting the environment and re-running configure. Otherwise, same old mistakes just happen again and again. I did this recompile myself a few weeks

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:32:02 -0500 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:07, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: JOHN CULLETON wrote: While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:38:57 -0500 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt 2.2.3, I would need to upgrade my glibc (because of rtld(GNU_HASH)). I'm sorry,

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In that case you need the 1.5 year old Lyx to match your 1.5 year old distro, don't you? So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every software they issue will be restricted to run only on vista, right? Curiously, they do not do that.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-20 Thread Ethan Metsger
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:16:36 -0500, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and dialog boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make them larger in the next few days. Hi, Steve. You might be able to get

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and dialog boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make them larger in the next few days. Try to run qtconfig (the qt4 version of course). JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms? SOLVED

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 08:40, you wrote: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and dialog boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make them larger in the next few days. Try to run qtconfig (the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:39:55 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In that case you need the 1.5 year old Lyx to match your 1.5 year old distro, don't you? So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every software they

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