Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

christian I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the
christian stuff what goes on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to
christian watch out for spam abuse etc. 

And this is very good.

christian However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
christian I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
christian separate wiki later on :-)

I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
worse.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 christian However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
 christian I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
 christian separate wiki later on :-)
 
 I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
 advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
 worse.

No, I don't like it much either.

OTOH, since this is a public wiki, everyone are allowed to remove material
they feel is inapproriate. Or move it if they feel it should be somewhere
else. It is really only a matter of manners and courtesy to first ask on
the user's list if there's a reason for not deleting/moving it. 

Here's a suggestion for a general guideline regarding inappropriate
material on the LyX wiki:

If you see something on the wiki you feel is inapproriate, feel
free to (re)move it yourself! If you're uncertain, ask on the 
user's list about it. In fact, it's quite safe to delete first and 
ask later, as all changes to wiki pages are tracked and can be
restored.

If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on the wiki for 
future reference.

best regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

christian  If you see something on the wiki you feel is
christian inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
christian uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
christian quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
christian wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.

christian If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
christian the wiki for future reference.

Yes.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

  christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 christianIf you see something on the wiki you feel is
 christian inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
 christian uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
 christian quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
 christian wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.
 
 christian If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
 christian the wiki for future reference.
 
 Yes.

I added it here for now

http://wiki.lyx.org/Site/Tips

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

christian I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the
christian stuff what goes on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to
christian watch out for spam abuse etc. 

And this is very good.

christian However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
christian I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
christian separate wiki later on :-)

I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
worse.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 christian However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
 christian I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
 christian separate wiki later on :-)
 
 I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
 advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
 worse.

No, I don't like it much either.

OTOH, since this is a public wiki, everyone are allowed to remove material
they feel is inapproriate. Or move it if they feel it should be somewhere
else. It is really only a matter of manners and courtesy to first ask on
the user's list if there's a reason for not deleting/moving it. 

Here's a suggestion for a general guideline regarding inappropriate
material on the LyX wiki:

If you see something on the wiki you feel is inapproriate, feel
free to (re)move it yourself! If you're uncertain, ask on the 
user's list about it. In fact, it's quite safe to delete first and 
ask later, as all changes to wiki pages are tracked and can be
restored.

If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on the wiki for 
future reference.

best regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

christian  If you see something on the wiki you feel is
christian inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
christian uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
christian quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
christian wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.

christian If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
christian the wiki for future reference.

Yes.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

  christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 christianIf you see something on the wiki you feel is
 christian inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
 christian uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
 christian quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
 christian wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.
 
 christian If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
 christian the wiki for future reference.
 
 Yes.

I added it here for now

http://wiki.lyx.org/Site/Tips

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "christian" == christian ridderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

christian> I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the
christian> stuff what goes on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to
christian> watch out for spam abuse etc. 

And this is very good.

christian> However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
christian> I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
christian> separate wiki later on :-)

I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
worse.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> christian> However, since no one else has given an opinion on this
> christian> I'll just let it rest. It's not like I can't create a
> christian> separate wiki later on :-)
> 
> I think we can let it rest for now (although I do not like much
> advertisement on the wiki). We can do something later if things become
> worse.

No, I don't like it much either.

OTOH, since this is a public wiki, everyone are allowed to remove material
they feel is inapproriate. Or move it if they feel it should be somewhere
else. It is really only a matter of manners and courtesy to first ask on
the user's list if there's a reason for not deleting/moving it. 

Here's a suggestion for a general guideline regarding inappropriate
material on the LyX wiki:

If you see something on the wiki you feel is inapproriate, feel
free to (re)move it yourself! If you're uncertain, ask on the 
user's list about it. In fact, it's quite safe to delete first and 
ask later, as all changes to wiki pages are tracked and can be
restored.

If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on the wiki for 
future reference.

best regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "christian" == christian ridderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

christian>  If you see something on the wiki you feel is
christian> inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
christian> uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
christian> quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
christian> wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.

christian> If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
christian> the wiki for future reference.

Yes.

JMarc


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-24 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> > "christian" == christian ridderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> christian>If you see something on the wiki you feel is
> christian> inapproriate, feel free to (re)move it yourself! If you're
> christian> uncertain, ask on the user's list about it. In fact, it's
> christian> quite safe to delete first and ask later, as all changes to
> christian> wiki pages are tracked and can be restored.
> 
> christian> If this guideline is acceptable I'll place it somewhere on
> christian> the wiki for future reference.
> 
> Yes.

I added it here for now

http://wiki.lyx.org/Site/Tips

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

  Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which
  isn't related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group
  for this, or you can create your own personal group (preferably
  prefixed with 'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

 Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I
 ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long
 enough!).

In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!

Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!


You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.


Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)


Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
like, though.  My impression was that wikis were typically themed; the 
LyX wiki, for instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things 
related to LyX.  Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?


Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues 
relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve 
editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that 
matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the 
wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out 
over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.


Cheers,
/Paul



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!
 
 You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.
 
  Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
  for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
  LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
  edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
  whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
  automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
  bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)
 
 Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
 offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
 like, though.

Hmm... even though the disk (1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
not my server.

 My impression was that wikis were typically themed; the LyX wiki, for
 instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things related to LyX.  

As for the theme, I guess it'd still be for the LyX community, although
the material might not be directly related to LyX... that's a theme of
sorts.

 Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?

I don't actually care :-)  It was just that the spam about CV writing
made me wonder why someone would place it there in the first place. There
is also some stuff that is sort of LyX-related. A lot of stuff discussing
LaTeX in general could fall in that category.

 Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues
 relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve
 editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that
 matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the
 wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out
 over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.

I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the stuff what goes
on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to watch out for spam abuse etc. But 
it's not a very strict process. Still, I suspect that these issues aren't 
a big problem in our particular case - at least not any worse than the 
current wiki.

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)

cheers
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Stephen Harris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)


cheers
/Christian



We could have a section of the current LyX Wiki devoted to:
Accoutrements for the LyX Publicist

Some pdf files are created in reverse order. The last page
is first. There is a free tool which changes the order of
the pages. Just the other day John Baez referenced a paper
like this in This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics
A few newcomers may have forgotten my post about this tool.

Maybe accoutrements is a bit grandiose and Tips, would do. :-)

You do a remarkably conscientious job,
Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

So now I can read your mails again without being completely confused
wrt quoting style :-)

-- 
Lgb



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Georg Baum
Am Donnerstag, 23. März 2006 20:32 schrieb Stephen Harris:

 Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

Wow!


Georg



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On 3/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm... even though the disk (1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
 requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
 not my server.

Have you had a look at existing Wiki farms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms

--
John C. McCabe-Dansted
Master's Student


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

  Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which
  isn't related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group
  for this, or you can create your own personal group (preferably
  prefixed with 'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

 Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I
 ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long
 enough!).

In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!

Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!


You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.


Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)


Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
like, though.  My impression was that wikis were typically themed; the 
LyX wiki, for instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things 
related to LyX.  Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?


Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues 
relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve 
editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that 
matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the 
wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out 
over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.


Cheers,
/Paul



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!
 
 You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.
 
  Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
  for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
  LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
  edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
  whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
  automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
  bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)
 
 Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
 offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
 like, though.

Hmm... even though the disk (1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
not my server.

 My impression was that wikis were typically themed; the LyX wiki, for
 instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things related to LyX.  

As for the theme, I guess it'd still be for the LyX community, although
the material might not be directly related to LyX... that's a theme of
sorts.

 Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?

I don't actually care :-)  It was just that the spam about CV writing
made me wonder why someone would place it there in the first place. There
is also some stuff that is sort of LyX-related. A lot of stuff discussing
LaTeX in general could fall in that category.

 Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues
 relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve
 editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that
 matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the
 wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out
 over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.

I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the stuff what goes
on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to watch out for spam abuse etc. But 
it's not a very strict process. Still, I suspect that these issues aren't 
a big problem in our particular case - at least not any worse than the 
current wiki.

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)

cheers
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Stephen Harris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)


cheers
/Christian



We could have a section of the current LyX Wiki devoted to:
Accoutrements for the LyX Publicist

Some pdf files are created in reverse order. The last page
is first. There is a free tool which changes the order of
the pages. Just the other day John Baez referenced a paper
like this in This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics
A few newcomers may have forgotten my post about this tool.

Maybe accoutrements is a bit grandiose and Tips, would do. :-)

You do a remarkably conscientious job,
Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

So now I can read your mails again without being completely confused
wrt quoting style :-)

-- 
Lgb



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Georg Baum
Am Donnerstag, 23. März 2006 20:32 schrieb Stephen Harris:

 Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

Wow!


Georg



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On 3/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm... even though the disk (1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
 requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
 not my server.

Have you had a look at existing Wiki farms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms

--
John C. McCabe-Dansted
Master's Student


Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

> > Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which
> > isn't related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group
> > for this, or you can create your own personal group (preferably
> > prefixed with 'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

> Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I
> ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long
> enough!).

In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!

Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!


You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.


Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)


Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
like, though.  My impression was that wikis were typically "themed"; the 
LyX wiki, for instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things 
related to LyX.  Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?


Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues 
relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve 
editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that 
matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the 
wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out 
over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.


Cheers,
/Paul



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > In case I forgot earlier, many thanks for running the link check!
> 
> You didn't forget, but in any case you're quite welcome.
> 
> > Would a completely separate wiki be an option? It's not that I want a wiki
> > for non-related LyX stuff, it's only that it'd be nice to be able to refer
> > LyX users to some place. In addition, I suspect that LyX users learning to
> > edit wiki pages will eventually benefit the documentation project as a
> > whole. A third benefit is that people more actively editing a wiki
> > automatically means more feedback to me about the site's usuabiliy and any
> > bugs - this is of course both good and bad ;-)
> 
> Well, if you have capacity (both disk and bandwidth) and are willing to 
> offer this, I guess why not?  I'm a bit fuzzy on what it would look 
> like, though.

Hmm... even though the disk (<1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
not my server.

> My impression was that wikis were typically "themed"; the LyX wiki, for
> instance, deals pretty much exclusively with things related to LyX.  

As for the theme, I guess it'd still be for the LyX community, although
the material might not be directly related to LyX... that's a theme of
sorts.

> Would an unthemed wiki draw visitors?

I don't actually care :-)  It was just that the "spam" about CV writing
made me wonder why someone would place it there in the first place. There
is also some stuff that is sort of LyX-related. A lot of stuff discussing
LaTeX in general could fall in that category.

> Anyway, the only concern I would have would be with legal issues
> relating to what got posted.  Would you monitor the content (and reserve
> editorial rights)?  If not, what are the relevant laws (and for that
> matter, what's the relevant jurisdiction -- you're in Sweden but the
> wiki is hosted in Norway)?  We're still trying to sort this stuff out
> over here, as the recent flap over the Wikipedia attests.

I honestly don't know... in a sense I monitor some of the stuff what goes
on the LyX wiki, primarily in order to watch out for spam abuse etc. But 
it's not a very strict process. Still, I suspect that these issues aren't 
a big problem in our particular case - at least not any worse than the 
current wiki.

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)

cheers
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Stephen Harris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

However, since no one else has given an opinion on this I'll just let it 
rest. It's not like I can't create a separate wiki later on :-)


cheers
/Christian



We could have a section of the current LyX Wiki devoted to:
Accoutrements for the LyX Publicist

Some pdf files are created in reverse order. The last page
is first. There is a free tool which changes the order of
the pages. Just the other day John Baez referenced a paper
like this in "This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics"
A few newcomers may have forgotten my post about this tool.

Maybe accoutrements is a bit grandiose and Tips, would do. :-)

You do a remarkably conscientious job,
Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

So now I can read your mails again without being completely confused
wrt quoting style :-)

-- 
Lgb



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread Georg Baum
Am Donnerstag, 23. März 2006 20:32 schrieb Stephen Harris:

> Stephen (who has converted to: What's the Word? Thunderbird!)

Wow!


Georg



Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On 3/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm... even though the disk (<1 MB) and bandwith (normal web server)
> requirements would be very small, I can't really offer anything as it's
> not my server.

Have you had a look at existing Wiki farms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms

--
John C. McCabe-Dansted
Master's Student


Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread christian . ridderstrom
Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').


regards
/Christian



Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I 
ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long enough!).


/Paul




Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread christian . ridderstrom
Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').


regards
/Christian



Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I 
ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long enough!).


/Paul




Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread christian . ridderstrom
Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').

regards
/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr




Re: Wiki question: What is spam? And, separate group for non-LyX stuff?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul A. Rubin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

I'd like some thoughts on the following. Someone named 'Alston' added a
new heading ('CV Writing Services') and a link at the bottom of the page

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Links

My question now is if this is spam?

The feeling I get in this particular case is that it's actually well
meant. Alston did put his stuff on a page called 'Links', and he did add a
new heading. Although I can't quite see what the connection with LyX is...

Anyway, would those of you who use the LyX wiki like a section which isn't
related to LyX at all?  If so, we could create a separate group for this,
or you can create your own personal group (preferably prefixed with 
'Personal', as in 'PersonalAlston').


regards
/Christian



Personally, I'd rather keep the LyX Wiki just LyX (particularly if I 
ever have to run another link check for you -- last one took long enough!).


/Paul