Re: all-inclusive file format

ad die or to bring it to a good end. * a lot of blaming, bashing and bad feelings have been exchanged, but * a lot of good implementation ideas about an all-inclusive file format came up as well. ... > You've been informed it will break existing things ... Well done, an all-inclusive file format wi

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:41:17 +0200 Roberto wrote: > On 04/08/2017 17:35, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > > I support abstracting file details because it makes using LyX > > easier, but at the same time I would not like to give up control > > over the modular aspects, such as the

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On 04/08/2017 17:35, Cris Fuhrman wrote: I support abstracting file details because it makes using LyX easier, but at the same time I would not like to give up control over the modular aspects, such as the custom converters, which I think is a big strength in LyX design. For example, being

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And there you have it, all scripts (and workflows) broken. Every single one. el On 02/08/2017 22:45, Roberto wrote: > On 02/08/2017 01:20, Steve Litt wrote: >> breaking everybody's scripts and work flow [...] > at worse it requires a one line change in your script to say where the > .lyx file

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Yada, yada, yada, whatever... el On 02/08/2017 22:42, Roberto wrote: > On 02/08/2017 13:10, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >> one paragraph > Ricardo has expressed a great truth in just one sentence: > "it seems that on this thread is slowly surfacing one of the worst > sins of open source

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On 02/08/2017 01:20, Steve Litt wrote: breaking everybody's scripts and work flow are you saying that a script that now works on a .lyx file would not work on a LyXar that contains (as a folder) a .lyx file? why would that be the case? at worse it requires a one line change in your script to

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On 02/08/2017 13:10, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: one paragraph Ricardo has expressed a great truth in just one sentence: "it seems that on this thread is slowly surfacing one of the worst sins of open source communities: the attitude of "it's easy for me, then it must be easy for you too, you

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On 01/08/2017 21:21, Roberto wrote: > On 01/08/2017 18:13, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >> >> Talking about computer-unsavvy: [...] > Your point being? that one example sets a rule? The point being that this was quite computer-unsavvy. >> You can not ask from collaborators to set up a GIT repo, but,

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On Tue, 1 Aug 2017 21:56:33 +0200 Roberto wrote: > On 31/07/2017 19:10, Steve Litt wrote: > > The ability to directly edit graphics within a LyX file would be a > > nice *option*: > Hi Steve, I hope I am quoting you correctly by only reporting the > sentence I want to

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On 01/08/2017 18:13, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: Talking about computer-unsavvy: The wife of a friend of mine demands that he install MSWord for her because she was using it in a course. He installs NeoOffice. She then gives him a serious hard time demanding he install MSWord or else because

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On 31/07/2017 19:10, Steve Litt wrote: The ability to directly edit graphics within a LyX file would be a nice *option*: Hi Steve, I hope I am quoting you correctly by only reporting the sentence I want to comment about. As far as I can understand the feature I am talking about does not

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On 31/07/2017 14:31, Helge Hafting wrote: Den 27. juli 2017 19:48, skrev Richard Heck: On 07/27/2017 11:52 AM, Roberto wrote: Hi Richard, thanks for bringing in your experience. If the tar.gz was something you can "mount" like a read-write DMG it would make sense to say that the archive

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Ricardo I don't demand from my secretaries that they write scripts to find the reports all cases of a particular operation (myomectomies) which I have performed in a particular manner (20nce 2004) #!/bin/bash cat > t.tex <> t.tex cat >>t.tex < It may also mean "people without spare time trying

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Roberto wrote: > On 30/07/2017 19:13, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >> If you use dropbox, can't you just put ALL the files there and edit >> from there? > > The feature I am talking about does the work for you. When the machine > works for you, you win. The machine is your friend. To wrap it up

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:52:55 +0200 Roberto wrote: > Hi Scott, thanks for your suggestion. > The archive does not really do the job because you cannot edit it > directly. My goal is to get something like a MS Word document that > contains all the pictures you add in it

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On 07/31/2017 08:31 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > Den 27. juli 2017 19:48, skrev Richard Heck: >> On 07/27/2017 11:52 AM, Roberto wrote: >>> Hi Richard, thanks for bringing in your experience. >>> >>> If the tar.gz was something you can "mount" like a read-write DMG it >>> would make sense to say

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Den 27. juli 2017 19:48, skrev Richard Heck: On 07/27/2017 11:52 AM, Roberto wrote: Hi Richard, thanks for bringing in your experience. If the tar.gz was something you can "mount" like a read-write DMG it would make sense to say that the archive does what I have in mind. As far as I know one

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On 29/07/2017 13:39, Annaert Jan wrote: Despite my pleas, some of my colleagues have already shied away from using LyX because of these unnecessary hurdles, In 13 years of using LyX and after tens of scientific papers written I have never managed to convince collaborators to use LyX, why?

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On 30/07/2017 19:13, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: If you use dropbox, can't you just put ALL the files there and edit from there? The feature I am talking about does the work for you. When the machine works for you, you win. The machine is your friend. Look at the following scenario. Alice and

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Oh my god, finally somebody with a Keyboard and a Heart showed up! I have to say that is often the case that I find this kind of resistance in open-source developers communities - sometimes I wonder what is really "open" there!? It may also mean "people without spare time trying to move

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2017-07-30 19:13 GMT+02:00 Dr Eberhard Lisse : > Roberto, > > If you use dropbox, can't you just put ALL the files there and edit > from there? > > I am using a Mac and I can open and save files from LyX on the dropbox > directories, including generating the PDF, so I am sure

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Roberto, If you use dropbox, can't you just put ALL the files there and edit from there? I am using a Mac and I can open and save files from LyX on the dropbox directories, including generating the PDF, so I am sure something similar will work on Windoze. I would them use Version Control and

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On 29/07/2017 13:30, Charlie wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:55:35 +0200 Roberto wrote: Before answering think about your grandma having to do it ... Would she be happy to use msword? Charlie She does not use it, because it so unstable, which hinders her learning.

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it is useful to hide it in a lyxx-file too? Best regards, Jan Jan Annaert From: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> on behalf of Roberto <foice.n...@gmail.com> Date: Saturday 29 July 2017 12:44 To: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.o

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:55:35 +0200 Roberto wrote: > Before answering think about your grandma having to do it ... Would she be happy to use msword? Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** I had

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Make is your friend. I collaborate on dropbox with make-unfriendly computer-unsavvy people, make is not an option - and this is not such an uncommon case I guess! Instead, an _editable_ file format that __guarantees__ you have all is needed to compile the file is a haven for data

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The current lyx format then does just right for you. That does not mean that does right for everybody who uses the software. I hate MS Word too, but I also do not like having folders plenty of pictures that I have to carefully select when I pass the file to someone or share it in dropbox and

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Cool. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini 4 > On 29 Jul 2017, at 07:00, Richard Heck wrote: > >> On 07/28/2017 07:47 PM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >> As an option, like "Compressed"? > > Yes, precisely. > > Richard > > >>> On 2017-07-27 18:48 , Richard Heck wrote: >>>

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On 07/28/2017 07:47 PM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > As an option, like "Compressed"? Yes, precisely. Richard > On 2017-07-27 18:48 , Richard Heck wrote: > [... >> I'll think more about this. It's too late for 2.3, but it's something >> that could go into 2.4. >> >> Richard > [...]

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As an option, like "Compressed"? el On 2017-07-27 18:48 , Richard Heck wrote: [... > I'll think more about this. It's too late for 2.3, but it's something > that could go into 2.4. > > Richard [...]

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Just for the record, DOCX files are ZIP files in disguise. But I really don't understand the issue. When done editing make a tar.gz again and be done. Make is your friend. If you want to collaborate it's probably even better to do this with GIT, which LyX supports, if I am not mistaken. el

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This is precisely what I was saying. Rather than have everything hidden in a file as MS Word does, simply put the needed graphics files in a folder shared with you lyx document. No special file formats are needed. I agree, I hate MS Word. On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Joe

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On 07/28/2017 12:02 PM, Joe wrote: Please please please don't make LyX more like Word. Please! Amen. -- David L. Johnson Department of Mathematics Lehigh University

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It would appear that on Jul 28, Hobbs,Tom did say: > Goodness gracious. Just put everything in a folder and send that, which is > precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. It would appear that on Jul 28, Roberto did say: > On 28/07/2017 04:07, Hobbs,Tom wrote: > > which is precisely

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On 28/07/2017 04:07, Hobbs,Tom wrote: which is precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. and that is precisely what I do not want to know about and I am bothered by :)

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Goodness gracious. Just put everything in a folder and send that, which is precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2017, at 4:38 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > Roberto, > > I don't think that that can ever work, given LaTeX,

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On 07/27/2017 11:52 AM, Roberto wrote: > Hi Richard, thanks for bringing in your experience. > > If the tar.gz was something you can "mount" like a read-write DMG it > would make sense to say that the archive does what I have in mind. As > far as I know one can open DMG files and edit them and

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Hi Richard, thanks for bringing in your experience. If the tar.gz was something you can "mount" like a read-write DMG it would make sense to say that the archive does what I have in mind. As far as I know one can open DMG files and edit them and close them, effectively saving the content. The

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On 07/27/2017 09:07 AM, Roberto wrote: > Let me explain better. The reason for asking for a feature like that is > not that I cannot clic one more time to unpack a tar.gz :) > > The tar.gz is an export, not a "Save", that is the difference. Save > means that you can edit it and keep saving every

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Let me explain better. The reason for asking for a feature like that is not that I cannot clic one more time to unpack a tar.gz :) The tar.gz is an export, not a "Save", that is the difference. Save means that you can edit it and keep saving every now and then. Furthermore the two things are

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Why not? You can open your lyx file after extracting the arch, and it contains all you need such as the figures, bib file and style file, work on it, arch it again and send it as one file to your colleague Wolfgang Am 27.07.2017 um 09:52 schrieb Roberto: Hi Scott, thanks for your

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Roberto, I don't think that that can ever work, given LaTeX, other than major design change to LyX. The one additional step of clicking on the archive after saving the attachment isn't that inconvenient, in my view. el On 27/07/2017 08:52, Roberto wrote: > Hi Scott, thanks for your suggestion.

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Hi Scott, thanks for your suggestion. The archive does not really do the job because you cannot edit it directly. My goal is to get something like a MS Word document that contains all the pictures you add in it and you can send it as a single file. Cheers, Roberto On 26/07/2017 20:15,

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On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 07:57:27PM +0200, roberto franceschini wrote: > Hello, > Is there a format of LyX document that contains the text as well as the > figures it uses? Something like that can be sent by email and contain all > that is needed to see the document, without the need to send along

all-inclusive file format

Hello, Is there a format of LyX document that contains the text as well as the figures it uses? Something like that can be sent by email and contain all that is needed to see the document, without the need to send along all the pictures from separate files. Thanks in advance for your reply,