Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 10:48 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
> As a counterpoint, the Chicago Manual of Style (my preferred
> reference for style alongside Strunk and White) seems to suggest not.
> 
> https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations/faq0047.html

Sure. I think these academic stylesheets (probably rightly) have users
in mind who either use full or no space, not thin space (and who do not
even know this exists). Bringhurst addresses typographers.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Joel Kulesza
On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 6:02 AM Jürgen Spitzmüller 
wrote:

> Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 13:08 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:
> > yes, german users often used it  :-)  but it is not common for
> > english texts written by native people, as far as I know.
>
> Bringhurst suggests to do it.
>

As a counterpoint, the Chicago Manual of Style (my preferred reference for
style alongside Strunk and White) seems to suggest not.

https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations/faq0047.html

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 27.08.22 um 16:15 schrieb Daniel:

On 2022-08-27 14:02, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 13:08 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:

yes, german users often used it  :-)  but it is not common for
english texts written by native people, as far as I know.


Bringhurst suggests to do it.


Or if you want to go wilder: just "eg" (no dots at all). As used in the 
Oxford style guide. Well, at least it solves the spacing problem. :)


Daniel




another idea, would be applicable to etc too, I guess.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 27.08.22 um 15:58 schrieb Daniel:

On 2022-08-27 13:26, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:



Le 27 août 2022 11:39:38 GMT+02:00, Wolfgang Engelmann 
 a écrit :

What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document


Try "e.g.\ ". We have a space for that, I never remember which one.

JMarc


It's called "Interword Space" in LyX 2.3 and because it is a little hard 
to remember what that entails it will be just called "Normal Space" in 2.4.


Daniel



Thanks, Herbert and Daniel. Got it.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Daniel

On 2022-08-27 14:02, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 13:08 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:

yes, german users often used it  :-)  but it is not common for
english texts written by native people, as far as I know.


Bringhurst suggests to do it.


Or if you want to go wilder: just "eg" (no dots at all). As used in the 
Oxford style guide. Well, at least it solves the spacing problem. :)


Daniel



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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Daniel

On 2022-08-27 13:26, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:



Le 27 août 2022 11:39:38 GMT+02:00, Wolfgang Engelmann 
 a écrit :

What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document


Try "e.g.\ ". We have a space for that, I never remember which one.

JMarc


It's called "Interword Space" in LyX 2.3 and because it is a little hard 
to remember what that entails it will be just called "Normal Space" in 2.4.


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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Herbert Voss




Am 27.08.22 um 13:47 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:




x e.g.\ y


this is the correct one, because the dot is not the end of a sentence.
See 
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/is-a-period-after-an-abbreviation-the-same-as-an-end-of-sentence-period 



sometimes also written with a space between: x e.\ g.\ y
See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(E)#exempli_gratia


I use:
\def\eg{e.g.\ }


would this be in the preamble?


x \eg y

and this in the text?



yes

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 13:08 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:
> yes, german users often used it  :-)  but it is not common for
> english texts written by native people, as far as I know.

Bringhurst suggests to do it.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 27.08.22 um 11:59 schrieb Herbert Voss:



Am 27.08.22 um 11:39 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document

(debian bullseye, lyx version 2.4.0dev (noch nicht veröffentlicht)
Erstellt aus Git-Revision 53ed3dc0
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Using chktex in tool tells me:

Interword spacing (`\ ') should perhaps be used.

so I tried these variations:

x e.g. y
x \e.g. y
x e.\g. y




x e.g.\ y


this is the correct one, because the dot is not the end of a sentence.
See 
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/is-a-period-after-an-abbreviation-the-same-as-an-end-of-sentence-period 



sometimes also written with a space between: x e.\ g.\ y
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(E)#exempli_gratia

I use:
\def\eg{e.g.\ }


would this be in the preamble?


x \eg y

and this in the text?



Herbert


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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes


Le 27 août 2022 11:39:38 GMT+02:00, Wolfgang Engelmann 
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>What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document

Try "e.g.\ ". We have a space for that, I never remember which one.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Herbert Voss



Am 27.08.22 um 12:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:

Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 11:59 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:

this is the correct one, because the dot is not the end of a
sentence.
See
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/is-a-period-after-an-abbreviation-the-same-as-an-end-of-sentence-period

sometimes also written with a space between: x e.\ g.\ y
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(E)#exempli_gratia

I'd use thinspace inbetween:

e.\,g.\ y


yes, german users often used it  :-)  but it is not common for
english texts written by native people, as far as I know.

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 11:59 +0200 schrieb Herbert Voss:
> this is the correct one, because the dot is not the end of a
> sentence.
> See 
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/is-a-period-after-an-abbreviation-the-same-as-an-end-of-sentence-period
> 
> sometimes also written with a space between: x e.\ g.\ y
> See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(E)#exempli_gratia

I'd use thinspace inbetween:

e.\,g.\ y

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Re: correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Herbert Voss



Am 27.08.22 um 11:39 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document

(debian bullseye, lyx version 2.4.0dev (noch nicht veröffentlicht)
Erstellt aus Git-Revision 53ed3dc0
Qt-Version (Laufzeit): 5.15.2 (Plattform: xcb)
Qt-Version (bei Erstellung): 5.15.2
Python-Aufruf: python3 -tt?

Using chktex in tool tells me:

Interword spacing (`\ ') should perhaps be used.

so I tried these variations:

x e.g. y
x \e.g. y
x e.\g. y




x e.g.\ y


this is the correct one, because the dot is not the end of a sentence.
See 
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/is-a-period-after-an-abbreviation-the-same-as-an-end-of-sentence-period


sometimes also written with a space between: x e.\ g.\ y
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(E)#exempli_gratia

I use:
\def\eg{e.g.\ }

x \eg y


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correct spacing in e.g. of a document

2022-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann

What is the correct spacing in e.g. of a lyx document

(debian bullseye, lyx version 2.4.0dev (noch nicht veröffentlicht)
Erstellt aus Git-Revision 53ed3dc0
Qt-Version (Laufzeit): 5.15.2 (Plattform: xcb)
Qt-Version (bei Erstellung): 5.15.2
Python-Aufruf: python3 -tt?

Using chktex in tool tells me:

Interword spacing (`\ ') should perhaps be used.

so I tried these variations:

x e.g. y
x \e.g. y
x e.\g. y
x e.g.\ y
###
x e\.g\. y
x e.g\. y

but none worked in the pdf >

x e.g. y
x \e.g. y
x e.\g. y
x e.g.\ y
###
x e\.g\. y
x e.g\. y



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