natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread Éamonn Linehan
When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan 
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker,  Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

Thanks
___
Éamonn Linehan,
Distributed Systems Group,
F.35 Computer Science Dept.,
Trinity College,
Dublin 2.
Phone: 00353 1 8961543
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:   https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Eamonn.Linehan


Re: natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread rgheck

Éamonn Linehan wrote:

When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan 
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker,  Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

  
I don't know if this is possible. The way natbib works, it writes things 
like this:

\bibitem[Author Names(Year)]{key}
to the .aux file, where they are picked up by LaTeX. At this point, 
natbib knows nothing about how anything will be cited. What might work, 
though, would be to re-write the \citet and \citet* commands to replace 
the '' with 'and' if it's there. But I'm not at all sure how to do that.


I can think of other ways to do this, too, but they're all pretty 
complicated.


Richard



natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread Éamonn Linehan
When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan 
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker,  Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

Thanks
___
Éamonn Linehan,
Distributed Systems Group,
F.35 Computer Science Dept.,
Trinity College,
Dublin 2.
Phone: 00353 1 8961543
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:   https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Eamonn.Linehan


Re: natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread rgheck

Éamonn Linehan wrote:

When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan 
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker,  Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

  
I don't know if this is possible. The way natbib works, it writes things 
like this:

\bibitem[Author Names(Year)]{key}
to the .aux file, where they are picked up by LaTeX. At this point, 
natbib knows nothing about how anything will be cited. What might work, 
though, would be to re-write the \citet and \citet* commands to replace 
the '' with 'and' if it's there. But I'm not at all sure how to do that.


I can think of other ways to do this, too, but they're all pretty 
complicated.


Richard



natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread Éamonn Linehan
When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan &
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '&' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker, & Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

Thanks
___
Éamonn Linehan,
Distributed Systems Group,
F.35 Computer Science Dept.,
Trinity College,
Dublin 2.
Phone: 00353 1 8961543
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:   https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Eamonn.Linehan


Re: natbib APA references for multiple authors

2008-01-18 Thread rgheck

Éamonn Linehan wrote:

When there are two or more authors on a paper and the reference is
withing brackets, the APA guidelines are that it should be (Linehan &
Linehan, 2008).  Its doing this, which is good.  However, when the
authors are outside the brackets it should be Linehan and Linehan
(2008).  The '&' sign should never be used outside of brackets. So
natbib should be doing this:

\citet*{jon90}  Jones, Baker, and Williams (1990)
\citep*{jon90} (Jones, Baker, & Williams, 1990)

Is this something I can modify in a .bst file. Could anyone help me
with this? Im using this natbib compatible .bst file
(http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/~linehane/lyx/apa-good.bst).

  
I don't know if this is possible. The way natbib works, it writes things 
like this:

\bibitem[Author Names(Year)]{key}
to the .aux file, where they are picked up by LaTeX. At this point, 
natbib knows nothing about how anything will be cited. What might work, 
though, would be to re-write the \citet and \citet* commands to replace 
the '&' with 'and' if it's there. But I'm not at all sure how to do that.


I can think of other ways to do this, too, but they're all pretty 
complicated.


Richard