Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

> On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
> Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
> readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
  in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs...


That is true of *every* piece of software. I'm sure that Knuth would say
there are still bugs in TeX; not many since it's at version 3.14159... but
there are some. And when it finally comes time to bump the version number to
PI there will still be bugs in it. His old colleague Edsger Dijkstra said
you can't test for the absence of bugs only their presence.


 The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job.


Yup, by choice I'd use emacs (because I prefer to markup my client's
document using DOcBook and LyX's support for that is not robust or general
enough).


 LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid.


See above; emacs is usually rock solid but even that throws surprises. Hey
Adobe is finding and fixing day zero bugs in Acrobat and Flash.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 22:09:36 Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
  
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write
  up and to correct the text.
  
  Marcelo
  
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what
  Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment
  than anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you
 have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is
 its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only
 need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do
 the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to
 time.

Hi Liviu,

Yes, LaTeX reliability is indeed a pro-LaTeX factor. Another pro-LaTeX 
factor is simplicity. Not simplicity from the typist's viewpoint -- 
LyX is simpler from that point of view. But when you start doing 
complex stuff and making your own commands and environments, LyX is 
more complex. Plus LyX native format is different from LaTeX, and you 
need to use both.

For all these reasons, when I create a Beamer presentation, I use 
LaTeX with Vim rather than LyX. I find the former less complex.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

* Marcelo Acu?a mv...@yahoo.com.ar [110626 09:18]:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered 
 with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the 
 text.
 

Thanks all for the mails and rightly said.
I have almost decided to go ahead using tufte book class, since one of the
members of the list highly recommened it.

The book might have maximum of 100 pages, so do I write it as one document only 
or
have one main and other child documents. 
I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
are somewhat pale.

Shantanu
-- 

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

  I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
  are somewhat pale.

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.


Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that useful.
Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning news programme,
the Today Programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm

Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-easy-to-read.html

Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the research
on the blogs reachable from here

https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/

Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this series of
news reports to be had here

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenheimer_2010.pdf

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shantanu N Kulkarni
m...@lists.shantanukulkarni.org wrote:
 I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
 are somewhat pale.

In many cases the fonts pre-selected by default are indeed ghastly.
Personally I tend to stick to Palatino  Optima (URW Classico) or
Libertine  Biolinum (when using XeTeX). I'm not sure if they fit your
perceptions of pale.

Regards
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Sunday 26 June 2011 17:38:12 Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:
   I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx
   fonts are somewhat pale.
  
  On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use
  Century Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a
  more screen- readable font for my pure eBooks.
 
 Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that
 useful. Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning
 news programme, the Today Programme.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm
 
 Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site
 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-
 easy-to-read.html
 
 Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the
 research on the blogs reachable from here
 
 https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/
 
 Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this
 series of news reports to be had here
 
 http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenhe
 imer_2010.pdf


:-)

Statistics are a funny thing.

If my readers were all between 18 and 40, paid to read and remember, 
and need only read for 90 seconds at a time, I'd indeed use a less 
readable font.

But the two studies you quote have little to do with my readers. My 
readers tend to skew 30-60, so a lot of them have very real visual 
problems. I'm not going to subject them to skinny little Times Roman 
or Paladino. My latest book, which I hope to offer for sale around 
midnight tonight, is 110,000 words. I'm not going to make the visually 
challenged pull out a software magnifying glass, or horizontal scroll 
every line for 110,000 words. That's just not the way I roll. 
Disfluent fonts will simply cause many of my readers to stop in the 
middle of an otherwise good book.

One of the quoted studies showed a 14% increase in retention with 
disfluent fonts. Fine -- I'll use fluent fonts and write 30% more 
interestingly. That way people of all visual acuities will benefit.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
  in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs...


That is true of *every* piece of software. I'm sure that Knuth would say
there are still bugs in TeX; not many since it's at version 3.14159... but
there are some. And when it finally comes time to bump the version number to
PI there will still be bugs in it. His old colleague Edsger Dijkstra said
you can't test for the absence of bugs only their presence.


 The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job.


Yup, by choice I'd use emacs (because I prefer to markup my client's
document using DOcBook and LyX's support for that is not robust or general
enough).


 LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid.


See above; emacs is usually rock solid but even that throws surprises. Hey
Adobe is finding and fixing day zero bugs in Acrobat and Flash.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 22:09:36 Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
  
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write
  up and to correct the text.
  
  Marcelo
  
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what
  Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment
  than anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you
 have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is
 its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only
 need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do
 the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to
 time.

Hi Liviu,

Yes, LaTeX reliability is indeed a pro-LaTeX factor. Another pro-LaTeX 
factor is simplicity. Not simplicity from the typist's viewpoint -- 
LyX is simpler from that point of view. But when you start doing 
complex stuff and making your own commands and environments, LyX is 
more complex. Plus LyX native format is different from LaTeX, and you 
need to use both.

For all these reasons, when I create a Beamer presentation, I use 
LaTeX with Vim rather than LyX. I find the former less complex.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

* Marcelo Acu?a mv...@yahoo.com.ar [110626 09:18]:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered 
 with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the 
 text.
 

Thanks all for the mails and rightly said.
I have almost decided to go ahead using tufte book class, since one of the
members of the list highly recommened it.

The book might have maximum of 100 pages, so do I write it as one document only 
or
have one main and other child documents. 
I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
are somewhat pale.

Shantanu
-- 

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

  I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
  are somewhat pale.

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.


Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that useful.
Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning news programme,
the Today Programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm

Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-easy-to-read.html

Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the research
on the blogs reachable from here

https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/

Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this series of
news reports to be had here

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenheimer_2010.pdf

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shantanu N Kulkarni
m...@lists.shantanukulkarni.org wrote:
 I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
 are somewhat pale.

In many cases the fonts pre-selected by default are indeed ghastly.
Personally I tend to stick to Palatino  Optima (URW Classico) or
Libertine  Biolinum (when using XeTeX). I'm not sure if they fit your
perceptions of pale.

Regards
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Sunday 26 June 2011 17:38:12 Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:
   I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx
   fonts are somewhat pale.
  
  On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use
  Century Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a
  more screen- readable font for my pure eBooks.
 
 Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that
 useful. Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning
 news programme, the Today Programme.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm
 
 Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site
 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-
 easy-to-read.html
 
 Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the
 research on the blogs reachable from here
 
 https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/
 
 Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this
 series of news reports to be had here
 
 http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenhe
 imer_2010.pdf


:-)

Statistics are a funny thing.

If my readers were all between 18 and 40, paid to read and remember, 
and need only read for 90 seconds at a time, I'd indeed use a less 
readable font.

But the two studies you quote have little to do with my readers. My 
readers tend to skew 30-60, so a lot of them have very real visual 
problems. I'm not going to subject them to skinny little Times Roman 
or Paladino. My latest book, which I hope to offer for sale around 
midnight tonight, is 110,000 words. I'm not going to make the visually 
challenged pull out a software magnifying glass, or horizontal scroll 
every line for 110,000 words. That's just not the way I roll. 
Disfluent fonts will simply cause many of my readers to stop in the 
middle of an otherwise good book.

One of the quoted studies showed a 14% increase in retention with 
disfluent fonts. Fine -- I'll use fluent fonts and write 30% more 
interestingly. That way people of all visual acuities will benefit.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
> > said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
> > in which I need to see markup.
> >
> As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
> to put up with its bugs...


That is true of *every* piece of software. I'm sure that Knuth would say
there are still bugs in TeX; not many since it's at version 3.14159... but
there are some. And when it finally comes time to bump the version number to
PI there will still be bugs in it. His old colleague Edsger Dijkstra said
you can't test for the absence of bugs only their presence.


> The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
> reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
> robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job.


Yup, by choice I'd use emacs (because I prefer to markup my client's
document using DOcBook and LyX's support for that is not robust or general
enough).


> LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.
>
> This said, LyX is generally rock-solid.


See above; emacs is usually rock solid but even that throws surprises. Hey
Adobe is finding and fixing day zero bugs in Acrobat and Flash.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 22:09:36 Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt 
 wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> >> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
> >> > any advantages or
> >> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
> >> 
> >>  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
> >> pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write
> >> up and to correct the text.
> >> 
> >> Marcelo
> > 
> > I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what
> > Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment
> > than anything in which I need to see markup.
> 
> As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you
> have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is
> its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only
> need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do
> the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to
> time.

Hi Liviu,

Yes, LaTeX reliability is indeed a pro-LaTeX factor. Another pro-LaTeX 
factor is simplicity. Not simplicity from the typist's viewpoint -- 
LyX is simpler from that point of view. But when you start doing 
complex stuff and making your own commands and environments, LyX is 
more complex. Plus LyX native format is different from LaTeX, and you 
need to use both.

For all these reasons, when I create a Beamer presentation, I use 
LaTeX with Vim rather than LyX. I find the former less complex.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

* Marcelo Acu?a  [110626 09:18]:
> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
> > any advantages or
> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
> 
>  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered 
> with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the 
> text.
> 

Thanks all for the mails and rightly said.
I have almost decided to go ahead using tufte book class, since one of the
members of the list highly recommened it.

The book might have maximum of 100 pages, so do I write it as one document only 
or
have one main and other child documents. 
I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
are somewhat "pale".

Shantanu
-- 

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

> > I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
> > are somewhat "pale".
>
> On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century
> Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
> readable font for my pure eBooks.
>

Some recent work has suggested that "readable" fonts are not that useful.
Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning news programme,
the Today Programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm

Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-easy-to-read.html

Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the research
on the blogs reachable from here

https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/

Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this series of
news reports to be had here

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenheimer_2010.pdf

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shantanu N Kulkarni
 wrote:
> I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
> are somewhat "pale".
>
In many cases the fonts pre-selected by default are indeed ghastly.
Personally I tend to stick to Palatino & Optima (URW Classico) or
Libertine & Biolinum (when using XeTeX). I'm not sure if they fit your
perceptions of pale.

Regards
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Sunday 26 June 2011 17:38:12 Trevor Jenkins wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:
> > > I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx
> > > fonts are somewhat "pale".
> > 
> > On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use
> > Century Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a
> > more screen- readable font for my pure eBooks.
> 
> Some recent work has suggested that "readable" fonts are not that
> useful. Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning
> news programme, the Today Programme.
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm
> 
> Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-
> easy-to-read.html
> 
> Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the
> research on the blogs reachable from here
> 
> https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/
> 
> Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this
> series of news reports to be had here
> 
> http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenhe
> imer_2010.pdf


:-)

Statistics are a funny thing.

If my readers were all between 18 and 40, paid to read and remember, 
and need only read for 90 seconds at a time, I'd indeed use a less 
readable font.

But the two studies you quote have little to do with my readers. My 
readers tend to skew 30-60, so a lot of them have very real visual 
problems. I'm not going to subject them to skinny little Times Roman 
or Paladino. My latest book, which I hope to offer for sale around 
midnight tonight, is 110,000 words. I'm not going to make the visually 
challenged pull out a software magnifying glass, or horizontal scroll 
every line for 110,000 words. That's just not the way I roll. 
Disfluent fonts will simply cause many of my readers to stop in the 
middle of an otherwise good book.

One of the quoted studies showed a 14% increase in retention with 
disfluent fonts. Fine -- I'll use fluent fonts and write 30% more 
interestingly. That way people of all visual acuities will benefit.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

Hi all,
I am going to write a small (100 pages) book on specific Perl topics. This
will be given as notes in my session. Can anyone please help me with these
queries?

1. I plan to make it 5x7 or 5x8 with class as memoir or koma. I want to
avoid tufte book cos I do not have many footnotes and I will waste space.
Am I right in my selection?

2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there any advantages or
writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

Thanks.
Shantanu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Marcelo Acuña]

 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
 any advantages or
 writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

 If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered with 
commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the text.

Marcelo

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
 pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
 and to correct the text.
 
 Marcelo

I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo 
said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything 
in which I need to see markup.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
 pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
 and to correct the text.

 Marcelo

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
 said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
 in which I need to see markup.

As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Alan L Tyree]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200
Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt
 sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
  and to correct the text.
 
  Marcelo
 
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than
  anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
 on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.
 
 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers

I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom
macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex
+ reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a folding mode that
allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little
as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either.

It is a viable alternative.

Cheers,
Alan

 Liviu


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

Hi all,
I am going to write a small (100 pages) book on specific Perl topics. This
will be given as notes in my session. Can anyone please help me with these
queries?

1. I plan to make it 5x7 or 5x8 with class as memoir or koma. I want to
avoid tufte book cos I do not have many footnotes and I will waste space.
Am I right in my selection?

2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there any advantages or
writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

Thanks.
Shantanu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Marcelo Acuña]

 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
 any advantages or
 writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

 If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered with 
commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the text.

Marcelo

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
 pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
 and to correct the text.
 
 Marcelo

I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo 
said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything 
in which I need to see markup.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
 pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
 and to correct the text.

 Marcelo

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
 said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
 in which I need to see markup.

As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Alan L Tyree]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200
Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt
 sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
  and to correct the text.
 
  Marcelo
 
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than
  anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
 on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.
 
 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers

I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom
macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex
+ reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a folding mode that
allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little
as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either.

It is a viable alternative.

Cheers,
Alan

 Liviu


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

Hi all,
I am going to write a small (100 pages) book on specific Perl topics. This
will be given as notes in my session. Can anyone please help me with these
queries?

1. I plan to make it 5x7 or 5x8 with class as memoir or koma. I want to
avoid tufte book cos I do not have many footnotes and I will waste space.
Am I right in my selection?

2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there any advantages or
writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

Thanks.
Shantanu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Marcelo Acuña]

> 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
> any advantages or
> writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?

 If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered with 
commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the text.

Marcelo

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
> > any advantages or
> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
> 
>  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
> pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
> and to correct the text.
> 
> Marcelo

I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo 
said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything 
in which I need to see markup.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
>> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
>> > any advantages or
>> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
>>
>>  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
>> pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
>> and to correct the text.
>>
>> Marcelo
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
> said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
> in which I need to see markup.
>
As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Alan L Tyree]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200
Liviu Andronic  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt
>  wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> >> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
> >> > any advantages or
> >> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
> >>
> >>  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
> >> pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up
> >> and to correct the text.
> >>
> >> Marcelo
> >
> > I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
> > said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than
> > anything in which I need to see markup.
> >
> As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
> to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
> reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
> robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX
> on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.
> 
> This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers

I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom
macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex
+ reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a "folding" mode that
allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little
as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either.

It is a viable alternative.

Cheers,
Alan

> Liviu


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206