Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
Am 05.05.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Rainer M Krug : > Liviu Andronic writes: > >> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> Liviu Andronic writes: >>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting > wrote: >> >> >> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: >>> >>> Dear LyX users, >>> >>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called >>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it >>> so you could not edit the current document? >>> >> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about >> read-only files and will not allow editing then. > > Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 > is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. > >>> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such low-level details. >>> >>> Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal, >>> regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I >>> am a Linux person? :-) >>> I'm a Unix-user with a Mac too. But there is no need to use the terminal for this task. Using the Finder there is the Command-i or RBM-Info and you get a panel to set the file permissions. With Windows it's similar. >> >> Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :) > > I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you > look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks > Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI > which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not > much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side > you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project > http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under > the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from > both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world. > >> >> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status. >>> >>> I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX >>> would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are >>> addicted to the terminal! >>> >>> I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog >>> and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file >>> and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu. I don't like the proposal to extend the open dialog. This is nearly impossible with native dialogs and the Qt-specific dialogs look so strange. Stephan
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
Liviu Andronic writes: > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> Liviu Andronic writes: >> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: >> >> Dear LyX users, >> >> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called >> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it >> so you could not edit the current document? >> > Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about > read-only files and will not allow editing then. Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. >> >>> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for >>> Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such >>> low-level details. >> >> Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal, >> regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I >> am a Linux person? :-) >> > > Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :) I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world. > > >>> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even >>> within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status. >> >> I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX >> would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are >> addicted to the terminal! >> >> I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog >> and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file >> and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu. >> >> It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red >> border, independent of why they are read-only. >> > Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the > '(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for > modified files). Yup - just something very visible. Rainer > > Liviu > > >> Cheers, >> >> Rainer >> >>> >>> Liviu >>> >>> >>> Scott >> >> -- >> Rainer M. Krug >> email: Rainerkrugsde >> PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug PGP: 0x0F52F982 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > Liviu Andronic writes: > >> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: > > Dear LyX users, > > What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called > something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it > so you could not edit the current document? > Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about read-only files and will not allow editing then. >>> >>> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at >>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 >>> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. >>> > >> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for >> Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such >> low-level details. > > Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal, > regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I > am a Linux person? :-) > Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :) >> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even >> within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status. > > I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX > would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are > addicted to the terminal! > > I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog > and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file > and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu. > > It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red > border, independent of why they are read-only. > Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the '(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for modified files). Liviu > Cheers, > > Rainer > >> >> Liviu >> >> >> >>> Scott > > -- > Rainer M. Krug > email: Rainerkrugsde > PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- Do you think you know what math is? http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02 Or what it means to be intelligent? http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30 Think again: http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
Liviu Andronic writes: > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: >>> >>> >>> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? >>> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about >>> read-only files and will not allow editing then. >> >> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at >> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 >> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. >> > Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for > Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such > low-level details. Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal, regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I am a Linux person? :-) > Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even > within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status. I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are addicted to the terminal! I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu. It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red border, independent of why they are read-only. Cheers, Rainer > > Liviu > > > >> Scott -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainerkrugsde PGP: 0x0F52F982 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: >> >> >> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: >>> >>> Dear LyX users, >>> >>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called >>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it >>> so you could not edit the current document? >>> >> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about >> read-only files and will not allow editing then. > > Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 > is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. > Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such low-level details. Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status. Liviu > Scott -- Do you think you know what math is? http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02 Or what it means to be intelligent? http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30 Think again: http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: >> >> Dear LyX users, >> >> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called >> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it >> so you could not edit the current document? >> > Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about > read-only files and will not allow editing then. Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX. Scott
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak: Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about read-only files and will not allow editing then. Helge Hafting
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On 03/23/2015 05:57 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file without being able to edit it. The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only. Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692. Best, Scott I do not see any benefit / advantage having an option of the kind "Disable editing" or "Read only". Michael Berger
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On 03/23/2015 04:25 PM, aparsloe wrote: On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote: Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file without being able to edit it. The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only. Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692. Best, Scott I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a copy of a document with minor variations but leaving the original untouched. As for "cluttered" menus, the Insert menu is the only really cluttered one to my mind. Yes, this would go on the Document menu, which is not terribly cluttered. Richard Andrew
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote: Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file without being able to edit it. The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only. Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692. Best, Scott I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a copy of a document with minor variations but leaving the original untouched. As for "cluttered" menus, the Insert menu is the only really cluttered one to my mind. Andrew
Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
I would certainly use it. Have had a couple of instances when I have been comparing documents with shared authorship and accidentally edited the wrong one. Thanks, Gordon On 24/03/15 05:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Dear LyX users, > > What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called > something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it > so you could not edit the current document? > > The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file > without being able to edit it. > > The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered > menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt > + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only. > > Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692. > > Best, > > Scott >
"Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?
Dear LyX users, What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it so you could not edit the current document? The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file without being able to edit it. The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only. Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692. Best, Scott