Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Stephan Witt]

Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

 
 It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:
 
 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
 This is worse than those
 distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
 under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
 from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]
 
 I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
 *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
 and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!
 
 ...
 I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
 preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
 but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
 checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
 button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
 “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
 button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
 my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
 I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
 “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
 “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
 “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
 
 IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
 I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck 
continuously
you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
remove 
a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home directory
below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

Stephan

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Stephan Witt]

Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

 
 It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:
 
 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
 This is worse than those
 distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
 under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
 from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]
 
 I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
 *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
 and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!
 
 ...
 I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
 preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
 but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
 checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
 button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
 “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
 button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
 my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
 I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
 “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
 “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
 “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
 
 IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
 I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck 
continuously
you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
remove 
a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home directory
below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

Stephan

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Stephan Witt]

Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

> 
> It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:
> 
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
>> "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is worse than those
>>> distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
>>> under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
>>> from the natural flow of my writing.
>> 
>> I may be able to help you with the above.
>> 
>> Go to:
>> Tools --> Preferences --> Language settings --> Spellchecker
>> 
>> and remove the "x" out of the  box
>> 
>> I imagine you must have placed that "x" in as it was never a default in
>> my install on Debian testing. This "feature" was discussed on this list
>> and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
>> forced on everyone, thank heavens.
>> 
>> Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
>> constantly on your monitor. [shudder]
> 
> I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
> *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
> and again *saves the changes. Still no change...  Thanks anyway!
> 
> ...
> I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
> preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
> but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
> checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
> button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
> “pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add
> button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
> my PCLinuxOS installation to test the  checkbox
> I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
> “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
> “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
> “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 
> 
> IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
> I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using 
you have the option to remove it with the context menu.
I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to 
remove 
a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog...
Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home directory
below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict.

Stephan

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
 that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
 it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
 totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
 reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
 Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
 word's context... Or at least it would be if:


You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.

WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
 
  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
 It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:
 
   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm 
 editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:

  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
 
 Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
 vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
 my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
 frequent crashes...

You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).

 
 Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
 to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
 keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
 that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
 it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
 totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
 reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
 Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
 word's context... Or at least it would be if:


You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.

WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
 
  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net

   sigh

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
 
 It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:
 
   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
 issue
   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
   and
   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm 
 editing/reading...»
   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
   word's context... Or at least it would be if:

  
 You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
  
 WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
 
 Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
 vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
 my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
 frequent crashes...

You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).

 
 Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
 to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
 keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

>
>
> 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
> that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
> it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
> totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
> reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
> Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
> word's context... Or at least it would be if:
>
>
You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.

WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

>   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
> issue
>   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
>   and
>   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
>   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
>   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
>   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
>   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
> 
>  
> You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
>  
> WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.

Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
frequent crashes...

Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

But thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <>

   

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> 
> It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:
> 
>>   2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the 
>> issue
>>   that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word
>>   and
>>   it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
>>   totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
>>   reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm 
>> editing/reading...»
>>   Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
>>   word's context... Or at least it would be if:
>>
>>  
>> You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes.
>>  
>> WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do.
> 
> Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my
> vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of
> my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth
> frequent crashes...

You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;).

> 
> Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts
> to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the
> keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking...

Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice.

Vincent

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

Hello, I'm mostly interested in just using LyX to write stuff... I learn a
few things about how to do something fancy and keep a copy of something it
worked in so that I'll have a chance of duplicating it again someday.

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) on PCLinuxOS

Actually I think LyX comes with impressive documentation. But when I half
remember something that I don't do very often it can take forever for me to
figure out where to find it again... And then there are the things that
change from one version to the next... I have a shell script that uses the
command line to open a half dozen related documents. I used to just know
that the one I work with the most could be indexed with ‘alt+V2’. Then
not so long ago the list evidently started loading in the revers order 
so that became ‘alt+V5’... Now with the upgrade to LyX 2.0.0 that
I just got on PCLinuxOS the numbered list now starts with zero rather than
one, so now I've got to use ‘alt+V4’...

That is however not an issue, just an example of how the user interface can
feel like a moving target. Of more concern however is the spellchecker...

1) keyboard shortcuts: I remember that I had a little trouble remembering that
the shortcut to Add a word to the dictionary was the ‘D’ rather than the ‘A’.
And that I used to be frustrated that I couldn't use the keyboard (without
also having to use the {expletive-deleted} mouse) to accept anything but the
default first choice in the list of suggestions.

Then it seamed like somebody was listening because the newer versions of
LyX that started working their way into the assorted repositories of the
various Linux distributions I used, started using the ‘A’ for the Add
function and a suGgestion list picked up the ‘G’ (Though that had a minor
conflict with another button that one had to keep an eye on. But if the
other ‘G’ was selected I only needed to type another ‘alt+G’ to get the
one I wanted and then an enter key would activate it. Now with this version
2.0.0 the conflict for the ‘G’ was eliminated by assigning the ‘U’ to the
‘sUggestion’ list. Which I don't mind so much as I do the fact that the
‘A’ has been reassigned to the ‘replace All’ button and the the ‘D’ has
again been dumped on the 'add’ button. I mean the ‘All’ part of the
‘replace all’ function name isn't even unique. It just as easily congers up
the ‘ignore All’ function to me... «sigh» Worse still the ‘D’ in ‘aDd’ is
in conflict with the ‘D’ in the ‘Document’ pull down menu, resulting in
having to resort to the mouse if I want to ADD a word to the dictionary.


2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
word's context... Or at least it would be if:

3) closing spell checker via keyboard «getting it completely out of sight»:
It used to be that when I was done with spell check I could dismiss it
with the escape key. Now escape only returns the focus to the editing window, 
while the spellchecker sidebar stays open. This is worse than those
distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting under
unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me from the
natural flow of my writing. (I spell check after I'm done trying to think
of what to say...) But a side bar that won't go away without making me
wrestle with that {many imaginative expletives deleted} rodent pointing
device to click on an {minor expletive deleted} excruciatingly small “X”
button REALLY stops me from thinking creatively about what I'm trying to
write.

4) adding hyphenated words to the dictionary: This no longer works properly.
In a story I'm writing there is a vessel named the Avant-garde, It's name
was added to the dictionary to make sure I spelled it consistently. Now it
doesn't recognize it. And adding it again (with the durned mouse «sigh»)
doesn't help...

5) checking errors in order of occurrence: I'm not sure that this one wasn't
a fluke, because even though it did this several times, the next time I
opened LyX and tried to duplicate this, it didn't happen. But I sometimes
leave words that are not found in the dictionary in place intentionally.
This is what the ‘ignore’ button is for... But some other place in the
document the non-standard spelling might not be desired. I use a spell
checking place marker text “++ 'begin/end spell here' ++” with ‘'’
characters attached to the words “begin”  “here” to ensure that the 

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Charlie]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:

 This is worse than those
 distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
 under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
 from the natural flow of my writing.

I may be able to help you with the above.

Go to:
Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker

and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box

I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
forced on everyone, thank heavens.

Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

HTH
Charlie
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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
  This is worse than those
  distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
  under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
  from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘alt+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

Hello, I'm mostly interested in just using LyX to write stuff... I learn a
few things about how to do something fancy and keep a copy of something it
worked in so that I'll have a chance of duplicating it again someday.

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) on PCLinuxOS

Actually I think LyX comes with impressive documentation. But when I half
remember something that I don't do very often it can take forever for me to
figure out where to find it again... And then there are the things that
change from one version to the next... I have a shell script that uses the
command line to open a half dozen related documents. I used to just know
that the one I work with the most could be indexed with ‘alt+V2’. Then
not so long ago the list evidently started loading in the revers order 
so that became ‘alt+V5’... Now with the upgrade to LyX 2.0.0 that
I just got on PCLinuxOS the numbered list now starts with zero rather than
one, so now I've got to use ‘alt+V4’...

That is however not an issue, just an example of how the user interface can
feel like a moving target. Of more concern however is the spellchecker...

1) keyboard shortcuts: I remember that I had a little trouble remembering that
the shortcut to Add a word to the dictionary was the ‘D’ rather than the ‘A’.
And that I used to be frustrated that I couldn't use the keyboard (without
also having to use the {expletive-deleted} mouse) to accept anything but the
default first choice in the list of suggestions.

Then it seamed like somebody was listening because the newer versions of
LyX that started working their way into the assorted repositories of the
various Linux distributions I used, started using the ‘A’ for the Add
function and a suGgestion list picked up the ‘G’ (Though that had a minor
conflict with another button that one had to keep an eye on. But if the
other ‘G’ was selected I only needed to type another ‘alt+G’ to get the
one I wanted and then an enter key would activate it. Now with this version
2.0.0 the conflict for the ‘G’ was eliminated by assigning the ‘U’ to the
‘sUggestion’ list. Which I don't mind so much as I do the fact that the
‘A’ has been reassigned to the ‘replace All’ button and the the ‘D’ has
again been dumped on the 'add’ button. I mean the ‘All’ part of the
‘replace all’ function name isn't even unique. It just as easily congers up
the ‘ignore All’ function to me... «sigh» Worse still the ‘D’ in ‘aDd’ is
in conflict with the ‘D’ in the ‘Document’ pull down menu, resulting in
having to resort to the mouse if I want to ADD a word to the dictionary.


2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
word's context... Or at least it would be if:

3) closing spell checker via keyboard «getting it completely out of sight»:
It used to be that when I was done with spell check I could dismiss it
with the escape key. Now escape only returns the focus to the editing window, 
while the spellchecker sidebar stays open. This is worse than those
distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting under
unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me from the
natural flow of my writing. (I spell check after I'm done trying to think
of what to say...) But a side bar that won't go away without making me
wrestle with that {many imaginative expletives deleted} rodent pointing
device to click on an {minor expletive deleted} excruciatingly small “X”
button REALLY stops me from thinking creatively about what I'm trying to
write.

4) adding hyphenated words to the dictionary: This no longer works properly.
In a story I'm writing there is a vessel named the Avant-garde, It's name
was added to the dictionary to make sure I spelled it consistently. Now it
doesn't recognize it. And adding it again (with the durned mouse «sigh»)
doesn't help...

5) checking errors in order of occurrence: I'm not sure that this one wasn't
a fluke, because even though it did this several times, the next time I
opened LyX and tried to duplicate this, it didn't happen. But I sometimes
leave words that are not found in the dictionary in place intentionally.
This is what the ‘ignore’ button is for... But some other place in the
document the non-standard spelling might not be desired. I use a spell
checking place marker text “++ 'begin/end spell here' ++” with ‘'’
characters attached to the words “begin”  “here” to ensure that the 

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Charlie]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:

 This is worse than those
 distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
 under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
 from the natural flow of my writing.

I may be able to help you with the above.

Go to:
Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker

and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box

I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
forced on everyone, thank heavens.

Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

HTH
Charlie
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The sun is but a morning star. ...Henry David Thoreau

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Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 
  This is worse than those
  distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
  under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
  from the natural flow of my writing.
 
 I may be able to help you with the above.
 
 Go to:
 Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker
 
 and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box
 
 I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in
 my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list
 and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
 forced on everyone, thank heavens.
 
 Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
 constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘alt+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

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|^^^   ^^^
|o   o  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
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LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

Hello, I'm mostly interested in just using LyX to write stuff... I learn a
few things about how to do something fancy and keep a copy of something it
worked in so that I'll have a chance of duplicating it again someday.

If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And
I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of
whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes:
LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) on PCLinuxOS

Actually I think LyX comes with impressive documentation. But when I half
remember something that I don't do very often it can take forever for me to
figure out where to find it again... And then there are the things that
change from one version to the next... I have a shell script that uses the
command line to open a half dozen related documents. I used to just know
that the one I work with the most could be indexed with ‘+V2’. Then
not so long ago the list evidently started loading in the revers order 
so that became ‘+V5’... Now with the upgrade to LyX 2.0.0 that
I just got on PCLinuxOS the numbered list now starts with zero rather than
one, so now I've got to use ‘+V4’...

That is however not an issue, just an example of how the user interface can
feel like a moving target. Of more concern however is the spellchecker...

1) keyboard shortcuts: I remember that I had a little trouble remembering that
the shortcut to Add a word to the dictionary was the ‘D’ rather than the ‘A’.
And that I used to be frustrated that I couldn't use the keyboard (without
also having to use the {expletive-deleted} mouse) to accept anything but the
default first choice in the list of suggestions.

Then it seamed like somebody was listening because the newer versions of
LyX that started working their way into the assorted repositories of the
various Linux distributions I used, started using the ‘A’ for the Add
function and a suGgestion list picked up the ‘G’ (Though that had a minor
conflict with another button that one had to keep an eye on. But if the
other ‘G’ was selected I only needed to type another ‘+G’ to get the
one I wanted and then an enter key would activate it. Now with this version
2.0.0 the conflict for the ‘G’ was eliminated by assigning the ‘U’ to the
‘sUggestion’ list. Which I don't mind so much as I do the fact that the
‘A’ has been reassigned to the ‘replace All’ button and the the ‘D’ has
again been dumped on the 'add’ button. I mean the ‘All’ part of the
‘replace all’ function name isn't even unique. It just as easily congers up
the ‘ignore All’ function to me... «sigh» Worse still the ‘D’ in ‘aDd’ is
in conflict with the ‘D’ in the ‘Document’ pull down menu, resulting in
having to resort to the mouse if I want to ADD a word to the dictionary.


2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue
that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and
it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I
totally loath all sidebars «I like  my entire window width to always be
reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...»
Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the
word's context... Or at least it would be if:

3) closing spell checker via keyboard «getting it completely out of sight»:
It used to be that when I was done with spell check I could dismiss it
with the escape key. Now escape only returns the focus to the editing window, 
while the spellchecker sidebar stays open. This is worse than those
distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting under
unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me from the
natural flow of my writing. (I spell check after I'm done trying to think
of what to say...) But a side bar that won't go away without making me
wrestle with that {many imaginative expletives deleted} rodent pointing
device to click on an {minor expletive deleted} excruciatingly small “X”
button REALLY stops me from thinking creatively about what I'm trying to
write.

4) adding hyphenated words to the dictionary: This no longer works properly.
In a story I'm writing there is a vessel named the Avant-garde, It's name
was added to the dictionary to make sure I spelled it consistently. Now it
doesn't recognize it. And adding it again (with the durned mouse «sigh»)
doesn't help...

5) checking errors in order of occurrence: I'm not sure that this one wasn't
a fluke, because even though it did this several times, the next time I
opened LyX and tried to duplicate this, it didn't happen. But I sometimes
leave words that are not found in the dictionary in place intentionally.
This is what the ‘ignore’ button is for... But some other place in the
document the non-standard spelling might not be desired. I use a spell
checking place marker text “++ 'begin/end spell here' ++” with ‘'’
characters attached to the words “begin” & “here” to ensure that the spell

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Charlie]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"  wrote:

> This is worse than those
> distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
> under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
> from the natural flow of my writing.

I may be able to help you with the above.

Go to:
Tools --> Preferences --> Language settings --> Spellchecker

and remove the "x" out of the  box

I imagine you must have placed that "x" in as it was never a default in
my install on Debian testing. This "feature" was discussed on this list
and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
forced on everyone, thank heavens.

Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

HTH
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

The sun is but a morning star. ...Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400
> "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"  wrote:
> 
> > This is worse than those
> > distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting
> > under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me
> > from the natural flow of my writing.
> 
> I may be able to help you with the above.
> 
> Go to:
> Tools --> Preferences --> Language settings --> Spellchecker
> 
> and remove the "x" out of the  box
> 
> I imagine you must have placed that "x" in as it was never a default in
> my install on Debian testing. This "feature" was discussed on this list
> and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not
> forced on everyone, thank heavens.
> 
> Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar
> constantly on your monitor. [shudder]

I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and
*saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked
and again *saves the changes. Still no change...  Thanks anyway!

*NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with 
‘+S’
(it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and
the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way
‘+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily
depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the
durned rodent.)

If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a
problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository
I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting
like this I'm gonna cry for real...

I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker
preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker.
but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell
checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add
button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of
“pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add
button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on
my PCLinuxOS installation to test the  checkbox
I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over
“pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for
“pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was:
“E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” 

IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word?
I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it...

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
| Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^   J(tWdy)P
|   ___ <>
|  '   `