Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 From: Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu
 Subject: Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play.
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
 John Kane wrote:
  Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am
 sure that there
  is some famous song (or something about a triple play.
 Perhaps I
  should have lunch.
  
 
 I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to
 Chance.  Don't know about a song, but there's a poem:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.
 
 And now I'm off to lunch myself.
 
 /Paul
 

That's it. Mother was a big baseball fan and probably inflicted it on me.

John


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Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 From: Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu
 Subject: Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play.
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
 John Kane wrote:
  Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am
 sure that there
  is some famous song (or something about a triple play.
 Perhaps I
  should have lunch.
  
 
 I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to
 Chance.  Don't know about a song, but there's a poem:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.
 
 And now I'm off to lunch myself.
 
 /Paul
 

That's it. Mother was a big baseball fan and probably inflicted it on me.

John


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Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Paul A. Rubin  wrote:

> From: Paul A. Rubin 
> Subject: Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play.
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
> John Kane wrote:
> > Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am
> sure that there
> > is some famous song (or something about a triple play.
> Perhaps I
> > should have lunch.
> > 
> 
> I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to
> Chance.  Don't know about a song, but there's a poem:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.
> 
> And now I'm off to lunch myself.
> 
> /Paul
> 

That's it. Mother was a big baseball fan and probably inflicted it on me.

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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob, 

I did check the path as you suggest.  It looked funny but is correct. 

I guess I'll have to send a message to support.  Thank

john


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:23 AM
 Hi John,
 
 Glad to hear that things are working for you.  To get
 the sync working,
 all I had to do was go to Tools - Options - Zotero
 /CiteULike and
 Click on Zotero integration box.  Make sure that the
 path to your
 Zotero database is correct (on one of my desktops, a
 Windows 7 box, it
 was filled in automatically and incorrectly).
 
 After that, it *should* just work. (I know that I'm using
 should in a
 very meaningless and dangerous way.)  If you have
 problems, you might
 consider sending an email to the Mendeley devs at supp...@mendeley.com
 (or something like that, the correct email is on their
 website; too lazy
 to check it).
 
 I've sent a number of complaints/feature requests and
 they've been very
 good at getting back to me.  I've never had to wait
 more than a few
 hours.  
 
 To enable the custom citation key, go to Tools -
 Options - Document
 Details and then Click on Citation Key.
 
 One other point, keep in mind that only changes in Zotero
 are synced to
 Mendeley.  It doesn't seem to work in reverse (or at
 least not yet).
 So, if you need to change things, make sure to do it in
 Zotero.  For my
 Zotereo citations, the only bit of information I add is a
 citation key
 (since Zotero doesn't let me do that).
 
 Even with the limitations, I've been very happy with
 Mendeley.  I've
 been working on a book project for the past few months and
 it has been
 invaluable for keeping my references and PDFs
 organized.  Throw in the
 ability to sync with Zotero (which I use to grab websites),
 the indexed
 and complete text search, the OpenOffice integration (I
 still think that
 Zotero does this better, but I'm not going to complain) and
 I've been a
 very happy camper.
 
 If I can help with anything else, please let me know.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob
 
 On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:01 -0800, John Kane wrote:
  Hi Rob,
  
  Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems
 to be working well. I also installed a Foxfire sql manager
 extension which may or may not have cured the Qt4 SQlite
 plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was
 on Kubuntu not Windows.
  
  However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero
 properly?  It seems to have nicely imported all the
 collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the
 references!  
  
  On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's
 of journal articles I had stored in a folder and it
 performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched
 folder list.  Wonderful!
  
  At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to
 work properly the two look to be extremely complimentary
 products.
  
  Many thanks for the 
  
  
  --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 wrote:
  
   From: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
   Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A
 Problem not a  baseball play
   To: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
   Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
   Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
   Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
   at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and
 deciding not to
   try two at the same time.
   
   I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now
 getting
   the message:
   
   It appears that you have Qt installed on your
 system, but
   do not have
   the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley
 requires. \
   Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to
 use
   Mendeley.
   If you are using a Debian-based system, such as
 Ubuntu,
   this is the
    libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be
 installed with
   command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
   Alternatively,
   remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley
 will use
   bundled copies.
   
   So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have
 Qt
   installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and
 Lyx so I
   must have it somewhere) and track down the
 SQlite
   plugin.  Closer all the time!
   
   
   
   --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
   wrote:
   
From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: 
 A Problem
   not a  baseball play
To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55
 PM
Hi John,

By default, Zotero produces atrocious
 looking
   BibTeX. 
By far the ugliest
offenders, as you have noticed, are in the
 citation
keys.  It uses weird
character encodings (I'm frankly not even
 sure what
   they
are), that can't be
processed by LaTeX.  When these
 characters appear,
   the
only way I've been
able to get things to work is by 

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Paul A. Rubin]

John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there
is some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I
should have lunch.



I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to Chance.  Don't know 
about a song, but there's a poem: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.


And now I'm off to lunch myself.

/Paul

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob, 

I did check the path as you suggest.  It looked funny but is correct. 

I guess I'll have to send a message to support.  Thank

john


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:23 AM
 Hi John,
 
 Glad to hear that things are working for you.  To get
 the sync working,
 all I had to do was go to Tools - Options - Zotero
 /CiteULike and
 Click on Zotero integration box.  Make sure that the
 path to your
 Zotero database is correct (on one of my desktops, a
 Windows 7 box, it
 was filled in automatically and incorrectly).
 
 After that, it *should* just work. (I know that I'm using
 should in a
 very meaningless and dangerous way.)  If you have
 problems, you might
 consider sending an email to the Mendeley devs at supp...@mendeley.com
 (or something like that, the correct email is on their
 website; too lazy
 to check it).
 
 I've sent a number of complaints/feature requests and
 they've been very
 good at getting back to me.  I've never had to wait
 more than a few
 hours.  
 
 To enable the custom citation key, go to Tools -
 Options - Document
 Details and then Click on Citation Key.
 
 One other point, keep in mind that only changes in Zotero
 are synced to
 Mendeley.  It doesn't seem to work in reverse (or at
 least not yet).
 So, if you need to change things, make sure to do it in
 Zotero.  For my
 Zotereo citations, the only bit of information I add is a
 citation key
 (since Zotero doesn't let me do that).
 
 Even with the limitations, I've been very happy with
 Mendeley.  I've
 been working on a book project for the past few months and
 it has been
 invaluable for keeping my references and PDFs
 organized.  Throw in the
 ability to sync with Zotero (which I use to grab websites),
 the indexed
 and complete text search, the OpenOffice integration (I
 still think that
 Zotero does this better, but I'm not going to complain) and
 I've been a
 very happy camper.
 
 If I can help with anything else, please let me know.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob
 
 On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:01 -0800, John Kane wrote:
  Hi Rob,
  
  Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems
 to be working well. I also installed a Foxfire sql manager
 extension which may or may not have cured the Qt4 SQlite
 plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was
 on Kubuntu not Windows.
  
  However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero
 properly?  It seems to have nicely imported all the
 collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the
 references!  
  
  On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's
 of journal articles I had stored in a folder and it
 performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched
 folder list.  Wonderful!
  
  At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to
 work properly the two look to be extremely complimentary
 products.
  
  Many thanks for the 
  
  
  --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 wrote:
  
   From: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
   Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A
 Problem not a  baseball play
   To: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
   Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
   Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
   Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
   at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and
 deciding not to
   try two at the same time.
   
   I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now
 getting
   the message:
   
   It appears that you have Qt installed on your
 system, but
   do not have
   the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley
 requires. \
   Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to
 use
   Mendeley.
   If you are using a Debian-based system, such as
 Ubuntu,
   this is the
    libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be
 installed with
   command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
   Alternatively,
   remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley
 will use
   bundled copies.
   
   So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have
 Qt
   installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and
 Lyx so I
   must have it somewhere) and track down the
 SQlite
   plugin.  Closer all the time!
   
   
   
   --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
   wrote:
   
From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: 
 A Problem
   not a  baseball play
To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55
 PM
Hi John,

By default, Zotero produces atrocious
 looking
   BibTeX. 
By far the ugliest
offenders, as you have noticed, are in the
 citation
keys.  It uses weird
character encodings (I'm frankly not even
 sure what
   they
are), that can't be
processed by LaTeX.  When these
 characters appear,
   the
only way I've been
able to get things to work is by 

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Paul A. Rubin]

John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there
is some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I
should have lunch.



I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to Chance.  Don't know 
about a song, but there's a poem: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.


And now I'm off to lunch myself.

/Paul

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob, 

I did check the path as you suggest.  It looked funny but is correct. 

I guess I'll have to send a message to support.  Thank

john


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Rob Oakes  wrote:

> From: Rob Oakes 
> Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
> To: "John Kane" 
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:23 AM
> Hi John,
> 
> Glad to hear that things are working for you.  To get
> the sync working,
> all I had to do was go to Tools -> Options -> Zotero
> /CiteULike and
> Click on "Zotero integration" box.  Make sure that the
> path to your
> Zotero database is correct (on one of my desktops, a
> Windows 7 box, it
> was filled in automatically and incorrectly).
> 
> After that, it *should* just work. (I know that I'm using
> should in a
> very meaningless and dangerous way.)  If you have
> problems, you might
> consider sending an email to the Mendeley devs at supp...@mendeley.com
> (or something like that, the correct email is on their
> website; too lazy
> to check it).
> 
> I've sent a number of complaints/feature requests and
> they've been very
> good at getting back to me.  I've never had to wait
> more than a few
> hours.  
> 
> To enable the custom citation key, go to Tools ->
> Options -> Document
> Details and then Click on "Citation Key".
> 
> One other point, keep in mind that only changes in Zotero
> are synced to
> Mendeley.  It doesn't seem to work in reverse (or at
> least not yet).
> So, if you need to change things, make sure to do it in
> Zotero.  For my
> Zotereo citations, the only bit of information I add is a
> citation key
> (since Zotero doesn't let me do that).
> 
> Even with the limitations, I've been very happy with
> Mendeley.  I've
> been working on a book project for the past few months and
> it has been
> invaluable for keeping my references and PDFs
> organized.  Throw in the
> ability to sync with Zotero (which I use to grab websites),
> the indexed
> and complete text search, the OpenOffice integration (I
> still think that
> Zotero does this better, but I'm not going to complain) and
> I've been a
> very happy camper.
> 
> If I can help with anything else, please let me know.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob
> 
> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:01 -0800, John Kane wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> > 
> > Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems
> to be working well. I also installed a Foxfire sql manager
> extension which may or may not have cured the Qt4 SQlite
> plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was
> on Kubuntu not Windows.
> > 
> > However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero
> properly?  It seems to have nicely imported all the
> collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the
> references!  
> > 
> > On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's
> of journal articles I had stored in a folder and it
> performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched
> folder list.  Wonderful!
> > 
> > At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to
> work properly the two look to be extremely complimentary
> products.
> > 
> > Many thanks for the 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: John Kane 
> > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A
> Problem not a  baseball play
> > > To: "Rob Oakes" 
> > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
> > > Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
> > > at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and
> deciding not to
> > > try two at the same time.
> > > 
> > > I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now
> getting
> > > the message:
> > > 
> > > "It appears that you have Qt installed on your
> system, but
> > > do not have
> > > the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley
> requires. \
> > > Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to
> use
> > > Mendeley.
> > > If you are using a Debian-based system, such as
> Ubuntu,
> > > this is the
> > >  libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be
> installed with
> > > command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
> > > Alternatively,
> > > remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley
> will use
> > > bundled copies."
> > > 
> > > So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have
> Qt
> > > installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and
> Lyx so I
> > > must have it somewhere) and track down the
> SQlite
> > > plugin.  Closer all the time!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Rob Oakes 
> > > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: 
> A Problem
> > > not a  baseball play
> > > > To: "'John Kane'" 
> > > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > > > Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55
> PM
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > 
> > > > By default, Zotero produces atrocious
> looking
> > > BibTeX. 
> > > > By far the 

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Paul A. Rubin]

John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there
is some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I
should have lunch.



I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to Chance.  Don't know 
about a song, but there's a poem: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance.


And now I'm off to lunch myself.

/Paul

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Thanks Rob.  I remember looking at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and 
deciding not to try two at the same time.

I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting the message:

It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but do not have
the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use Mendeley.
If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, this is the
 libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. Alternatively,
remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use bundled copies.

So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt installed ( I find lots of 
Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I must have it somewhere) and track down the 
SQlite plugin.  Closer all the time!



--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
 Hi John,
 
 By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX. 
 By far the ugliest
 offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
 keys.  It uses weird
 character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they
 are), that can't be
 processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the
 only way I've been
 able to get things to work is by manually redefining the
 citation keys.  Of
 course, this must be done after every export.  (A
 tremendous and
 non-productive pain.)
 
 The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
 BibTeX.  But since I
 love using Zotero to collect citations and references from
 the web, this
 poses a problem.
 
 Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative
 using a reference
 manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
 configure Mendeley so
 that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
 updates to Zotero will
 automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
 (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
 supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in
 Zotero.)
 
 Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
 custom citation keys.
 Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've
 had no problems
 with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
 papers and a book I'm
 working on.
 
 Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX
 database files.  If
 you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
 completely automatic.
 Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up
 in your BibTeX
 database automatically via Mendeley.
 
 I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though
 it's still in
 beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2
 update at least).
 There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but
 those appear to have
 been sorted out.
 
 Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and
 sync your reference
 library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something
 similar, but I've
 found Mendeley easier to use.
 
 You can find more information on their web site:
 
 http://www.mendeley.com/
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes
 
 


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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob,

Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems to be working well. I also 
installed a Foxfire sql manager extension which may or may not have cured the 
Qt4 SQlite plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was on 
Kubuntu not Windows.

However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero properly?  It seems to have nicely 
imported all the collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the 
references!  

On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's of journal articles I had 
stored in a folder and it performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched 
folder list.  Wonderful!

At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to work properly the two 
look to be extremely complimentary products.

Many thanks for the 


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 From: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
 Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
 at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to
 try two at the same time.
 
 I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting
 the message:
 
 It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but
 do not have
 the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
 Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use
 Mendeley.
 If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu,
 this is the
  libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
 command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
 Alternatively,
 remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use
 bundled copies.
 
 So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt
 installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I
 must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite
 plugin.  Closer all the time!
 
 
 
 --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
 
  From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
  Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem
 not a  baseball play
  To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
  Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
  Hi John,
  
  By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking
 BibTeX. 
  By far the ugliest
  offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
  keys.  It uses weird
  character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what
 they
  are), that can't be
  processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear,
 the
  only way I've been
  able to get things to work is by manually redefining
 the
  citation keys.  Of
  course, this must be done after every export.  (A
  tremendous and
  non-productive pain.)
  
  The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
  BibTeX.  But since I
  love using Zotero to collect citations and references
 from
  the web, this
  poses a problem.
  
  Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable
 alternative
  using a reference
  manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
  configure Mendeley so
  that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
  updates to Zotero will
  automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
  (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
  supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear
 in
  Zotero.)
  
  Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
  custom citation keys.
  Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX,
 I've
  had no problems
  with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
  papers and a book I'm
  working on.
  
  Another nice feature is the automatic creation of
 BibTeX
  database files.  If
  you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
  completely automatic.
  Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will
 show up
  in your BibTeX
  database automatically via Mendeley.
  
  I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and
 though
  it's still in
  beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the
 0.9.5.2
  update at least).
  There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux,
 but
  those appear to have
  been sorted out.
  
  Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize
 and
  sync your reference
  library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do
 something
  similar, but I've
  found Mendeley easier to use.
  
  You can find more information on their web site:
  
  http://www.mendeley.com/
  
  Cheers,
  
  Rob Oakes
  
  
 
 
      
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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Thanks Rob.  I remember looking at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and 
deciding not to try two at the same time.

I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting the message:

It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but do not have
the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use Mendeley.
If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, this is the
 libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. Alternatively,
remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use bundled copies.

So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt installed ( I find lots of 
Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I must have it somewhere) and track down the 
SQlite plugin.  Closer all the time!



--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
 Hi John,
 
 By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX. 
 By far the ugliest
 offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
 keys.  It uses weird
 character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they
 are), that can't be
 processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the
 only way I've been
 able to get things to work is by manually redefining the
 citation keys.  Of
 course, this must be done after every export.  (A
 tremendous and
 non-productive pain.)
 
 The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
 BibTeX.  But since I
 love using Zotero to collect citations and references from
 the web, this
 poses a problem.
 
 Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative
 using a reference
 manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
 configure Mendeley so
 that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
 updates to Zotero will
 automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
 (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
 supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in
 Zotero.)
 
 Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
 custom citation keys.
 Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've
 had no problems
 with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
 papers and a book I'm
 working on.
 
 Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX
 database files.  If
 you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
 completely automatic.
 Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up
 in your BibTeX
 database automatically via Mendeley.
 
 I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though
 it's still in
 beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2
 update at least).
 There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but
 those appear to have
 been sorted out.
 
 Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and
 sync your reference
 library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something
 similar, but I've
 found Mendeley easier to use.
 
 You can find more information on their web site:
 
 http://www.mendeley.com/
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes
 
 


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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob,

Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems to be working well. I also 
installed a Foxfire sql manager extension which may or may not have cured the 
Qt4 SQlite plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was on 
Kubuntu not Windows.

However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero properly?  It seems to have nicely 
imported all the collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the 
references!  

On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's of journal articles I had 
stored in a folder and it performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched 
folder list.  Wonderful!

At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to work properly the two 
look to be extremely complimentary products.

Many thanks for the 


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 From: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
 Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
 To: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
 Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
 at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to
 try two at the same time.
 
 I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting
 the message:
 
 It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but
 do not have
 the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
 Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use
 Mendeley.
 If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu,
 this is the
  libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
 command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
 Alternatively,
 remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use
 bundled copies.
 
 So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt
 installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I
 must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite
 plugin.  Closer all the time!
 
 
 
 --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
 
  From: Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
  Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem
 not a  baseball play
  To: 'John Kane' jrkrid...@yahoo.ca
  Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
  Hi John,
  
  By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking
 BibTeX. 
  By far the ugliest
  offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
  keys.  It uses weird
  character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what
 they
  are), that can't be
  processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear,
 the
  only way I've been
  able to get things to work is by manually redefining
 the
  citation keys.  Of
  course, this must be done after every export.  (A
  tremendous and
  non-productive pain.)
  
  The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
  BibTeX.  But since I
  love using Zotero to collect citations and references
 from
  the web, this
  poses a problem.
  
  Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable
 alternative
  using a reference
  manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
  configure Mendeley so
  that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
  updates to Zotero will
  automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
  (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
  supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear
 in
  Zotero.)
  
  Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
  custom citation keys.
  Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX,
 I've
  had no problems
  with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
  papers and a book I'm
  working on.
  
  Another nice feature is the automatic creation of
 BibTeX
  database files.  If
  you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
  completely automatic.
  Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will
 show up
  in your BibTeX
  database automatically via Mendeley.
  
  I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and
 though
  it's still in
  beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the
 0.9.5.2
  update at least).
  There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux,
 but
  those appear to have
  been sorted out.
  
  Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize
 and
  sync your reference
  library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do
 something
  similar, but I've
  found Mendeley easier to use.
  
  You can find more information on their web site:
  
  http://www.mendeley.com/
  
  Cheers,
  
  Rob Oakes
  
  
 
 
      
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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Thanks Rob.  I remember looking at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and 
deciding not to try two at the same time.

I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting the message:

"It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but do not have
the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use Mendeley.
If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, this is the
 libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. Alternatively,
remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use bundled copies."

So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt installed ( I find lots of 
Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I must have it somewhere) and track down the 
SQlite plugin.  Closer all the time!



--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes  wrote:

> From: Rob Oakes 
> Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
> To: "'John Kane'" 
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
> Hi John,
> 
> By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX. 
> By far the ugliest
> offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
> keys.  It uses weird
> character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they
> are), that can't be
> processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the
> only way I've been
> able to get things to work is by manually redefining the
> citation keys.  Of
> course, this must be done after every export.  (A
> tremendous and
> non-productive pain.)
> 
> The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
> BibTeX.  But since I
> love using Zotero to collect citations and references from
> the web, this
> poses a problem.
> 
> Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative
> using a reference
> manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
> configure Mendeley so
> that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
> updates to Zotero will
> automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
> (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
> supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in
> Zotero.)
> 
> Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
> custom citation keys.
> Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've
> had no problems
> with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
> papers and a book I'm
> working on.
> 
> Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX
> database files.  If
> you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
> completely automatic.
> Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up
> in your BibTeX
> database automatically via Mendeley.
> 
> I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though
> it's still in
> beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2
> update at least).
> There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but
> those appear to have
> been sorted out.
> 
> Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and
> sync your reference
> library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something
> similar, but I've
> found Mendeley easier to use.
> 
> You can find more information on their web site:
> 
> http://www.mendeley.com/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Oakes
> 
> 


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RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[John Kane]

Hi Rob,

Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems to be working well. I also 
installed a Foxfire sql manager extension which may or may not have cured the 
Qt4 SQlite plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was on 
Kubuntu not Windows.

However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero properly?  It seems to have nicely 
imported all the collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the 
references!  

On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's of journal articles I had 
stored in a folder and it performed wonderfully. :)  It's now on my watched 
folder list.  Wonderful!

At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to work properly the two 
look to be extremely complimentary products.

Many thanks for the 


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane  wrote:

> From: John Kane 
> Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem not a  baseball play
> To: "Rob Oakes" 
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM
> Thanks Rob.  I remember looking
> at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to
> try two at the same time.
> 
> I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting
> the message:
> 
> "It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but
> do not have
> the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \
> Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use
> Mendeley.
> If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu,
> this is the
>  libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with
> command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'.
> Alternatively,
> remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use
> bundled copies."
> 
> So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt
> installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I
> must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite
> plugin.  Closer all the time!
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Rob Oakes 
> > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx:  A Problem
> not a  baseball play
> > To: "'John Kane'" 
> > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking
> BibTeX. 
> > By far the ugliest
> > offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation
> > keys.  It uses weird
> > character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what
> they
> > are), that can't be
> > processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear,
> the
> > only way I've been
> > able to get things to work is by manually redefining
> the
> > citation keys.  Of
> > course, this must be done after every export.  (A
> > tremendous and
> > non-productive pain.)
> > 
> > The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for
> > BibTeX.  But since I
> > love using Zotero to collect citations and references
> from
> > the web, this
> > poses a problem.
> > 
> > Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable
> alternative
> > using a reference
> > manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can
> > configure Mendeley so
> > that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any
> > updates to Zotero will
> > automatically be reflected in Mendeley. 
> > (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
> > supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear
> in
> > Zotero.)
> > 
> > Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with
> > custom citation keys.
> > Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX,
> I've
> > had no problems
> > with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two
> > papers and a book I'm
> > working on.
> > 
> > Another nice feature is the automatic creation of
> BibTeX
> > database files.  If
> > you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is
> > completely automatic.
> > Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will
> show up
> > in your BibTeX
> > database automatically via Mendeley.
> > 
> > I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and
> though
> > it's still in
> > beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the
> 0.9.5.2
> > update at least).
> > There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux,
> but
> > those appear to have
> > been sorted out.
> > 
> > Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize
> and
> > sync your reference
> > library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do
> something
> > similar, but I've
> > found Mendeley easier to use.
> > 
> > You can find more information on their web site:
> > 
> > http://www.mendeley.com/
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Rob Oakes
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi John,

I use a lot both Zotero and LyX but my workflow consists in never using
bibtex files directly exported from Zotero. Instead (for several reasons and
not because of the problems you mention) I always export from Zotero to
BibDesk (an application similar to JabRef, but only available for Mac OS X)
and then I use from LyX the .bib file generated by BibDesk. This always
works very well.

So, I could only try to give you the following 2 different suggestions:

1) 1st suggested solution: export from Zotero to JabRef and then use the
JabRef file in conjunction with LyX
OR:
2) 2nd suggested solution: try to use the .bib file generated by Zotero but
when you export this file from Zotero don't check the UTF8 option

As to the fact that sometimes the key of some records in the .bib file
generated by Zotero has 4 ? this is due to the fact that Zotero, when
exports records in the bibtex format, automatically creates the bibtex key
for each records following this convention:
lastname1stauthor_1stwordoftitle_publication year.
When the publication year field is empty, Zotero adds 4 ? at the end of the
bibtex key created as explained above.

Hope this can be useful.

Best wishes

pierfranco



2009/12/27 John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca

 Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is
 some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have
 lunch.

 I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references
 lately and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of
 references that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.

 I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.

 I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I
 get (?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and
 plainnat.  I've fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten
 now) with the same results.

 I can remove the Bibtex file, add a new (home-grown ) file and everything
 works fine.

 The Bibtex file under Jabref looks reasonable but some of the keys look
 very strange in LyX itself.  I seem to be getting some files with  which
 may just mean that some of the pdf or web sites are not dated.

 My OS is MS XP Home and I am using LyX 1.6.5 with Jabref 2.5 as my Bibtex
 editor.

 I had a quick look at the Zotero forums with no luck and thought that I'd
 ask here first before learning how to navigate them.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks.






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Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[rgheck]

On 12/27/2009 01:29 PM, John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is some 
famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have lunch.

I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references lately 
and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of references 
that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.

I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.

I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I get 
(?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and plainnat.  I've 
fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten now) with the same 
results.

   

Most likely problem is some encoding error. BibTeX does not handle Unicode.

rh

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Rob Oakes]

Hi John,

By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX.  By far the ugliest
offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation keys.  It uses weird
character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they are), that can't be
processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the only way I've been
able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
non-productive pain.)

The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for BibTeX.  But since I
love using Zotero to collect citations and references from the web, this
poses a problem.

Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative using a reference
manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can configure Mendeley so
that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any updates to Zotero will
automatically be reflected in Mendeley.  (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in Zotero.)

Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with custom citation keys.
Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've had no problems
with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two papers and a book I'm
working on.

Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX database files.  If
you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is completely automatic.
Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up in your BibTeX
database automatically via Mendeley.

I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though it's still in
beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2 update at least).
There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but those appear to have
been sorted out.

Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and sync your reference
library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something similar, but I've
found Mendeley easier to use.

You can find more information on their web site:

http://www.mendeley.com/

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Pavel Sanda]

Rob Oakes wrote:
 able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
 course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
 non-productive pain.)

btw thats part of bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6300 .
we only need somebody to actually do it ;)
pavel

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi John,

I use a lot both Zotero and LyX but my workflow consists in never using
bibtex files directly exported from Zotero. Instead (for several reasons and
not because of the problems you mention) I always export from Zotero to
BibDesk (an application similar to JabRef, but only available for Mac OS X)
and then I use from LyX the .bib file generated by BibDesk. This always
works very well.

So, I could only try to give you the following 2 different suggestions:

1) 1st suggested solution: export from Zotero to JabRef and then use the
JabRef file in conjunction with LyX
OR:
2) 2nd suggested solution: try to use the .bib file generated by Zotero but
when you export this file from Zotero don't check the UTF8 option

As to the fact that sometimes the key of some records in the .bib file
generated by Zotero has 4 ? this is due to the fact that Zotero, when
exports records in the bibtex format, automatically creates the bibtex key
for each records following this convention:
lastname1stauthor_1stwordoftitle_publication year.
When the publication year field is empty, Zotero adds 4 ? at the end of the
bibtex key created as explained above.

Hope this can be useful.

Best wishes

pierfranco



2009/12/27 John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca

 Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is
 some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have
 lunch.

 I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references
 lately and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of
 references that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.

 I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.

 I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I
 get (?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and
 plainnat.  I've fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten
 now) with the same results.

 I can remove the Bibtex file, add a new (home-grown ) file and everything
 works fine.

 The Bibtex file under Jabref looks reasonable but some of the keys look
 very strange in LyX itself.  I seem to be getting some files with  which
 may just mean that some of the pdf or web sites are not dated.

 My OS is MS XP Home and I am using LyX 1.6.5 with Jabref 2.5 as my Bibtex
 editor.

 I had a quick look at the Zotero forums with no luck and thought that I'd
 ask here first before learning how to navigate them.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks.






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Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[rgheck]

On 12/27/2009 01:29 PM, John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is some 
famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have lunch.

I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references lately 
and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of references 
that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.

I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.

I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I get 
(?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and plainnat.  I've 
fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten now) with the same 
results.

   

Most likely problem is some encoding error. BibTeX does not handle Unicode.

rh

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Rob Oakes]

Hi John,

By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX.  By far the ugliest
offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation keys.  It uses weird
character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they are), that can't be
processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the only way I've been
able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
non-productive pain.)

The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for BibTeX.  But since I
love using Zotero to collect citations and references from the web, this
poses a problem.

Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative using a reference
manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can configure Mendeley so
that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any updates to Zotero will
automatically be reflected in Mendeley.  (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in Zotero.)

Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with custom citation keys.
Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've had no problems
with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two papers and a book I'm
working on.

Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX database files.  If
you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is completely automatic.
Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up in your BibTeX
database automatically via Mendeley.

I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though it's still in
beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2 update at least).
There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but those appear to have
been sorted out.

Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and sync your reference
library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something similar, but I've
found Mendeley easier to use.

You can find more information on their web site:

http://www.mendeley.com/

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Pavel Sanda]

Rob Oakes wrote:
 able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
 course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
 non-productive pain.)

btw thats part of bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6300 .
we only need somebody to actually do it ;)
pavel

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi John,

I use a lot both Zotero and LyX but my workflow consists in never using
bibtex files directly exported from Zotero. Instead (for several reasons and
not because of the problems you mention) I always export from Zotero to
BibDesk (an application similar to JabRef, but only available for Mac OS X)
and then I use from LyX the .bib file generated by BibDesk. This always
works very well.

So, I could only try to give you the following 2 different suggestions:

1) 1st suggested solution: export from Zotero to JabRef and then use the
JabRef file in conjunction with LyX
OR:
2) 2nd suggested solution: try to use the .bib file generated by Zotero but
when you export this file from Zotero don't check the UTF8 option

As to the fact that sometimes the key of some records in the .bib file
generated by Zotero has 4 ? this is due to the fact that Zotero, when
exports records in the bibtex format, automatically creates the bibtex key
for each records following this convention:
lastname1stauthor_1stwordoftitle_publication year.
When the publication year field is empty, Zotero adds 4 ? at the end of the
bibtex key created as explained above.

Hope this can be useful.

Best wishes

pierfranco



2009/12/27 John Kane 

> Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is
> some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have
> lunch.
>
> I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references
> lately and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of
> references that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.
>
> I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.
>
> I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I
> get (?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and
> plainnat.  I've fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten
> now) with the same results.
>
> I can remove the Bibtex file, add a new (home-grown ) file and everything
> works fine.
>
> The Bibtex file under Jabref looks reasonable but some of the keys look
> very strange in LyX itself.  I seem to be getting some files with  which
> may just mean that some of the pdf or web sites are not dated.
>
> My OS is MS XP Home and I am using LyX 1.6.5 with Jabref 2.5 as my Bibtex
> editor.
>
> I had a quick look at the Zotero forums with no luck and thought that I'd
> ask here first before learning how to navigate them.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/gift/
>

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.

[rgheck]

On 12/27/2009 01:29 PM, John Kane wrote:

Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is some 
famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have lunch.

I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references lately 
and wanted to use the results in a LyX file.  I selected a subset of references 
that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex.

I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work.

I can load it, select a citation and insert it.  However when I compile, I get 
(?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and plainnat.  I've 
fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten now) with the same 
results.

   

Most likely problem is some encoding error. BibTeX does not handle Unicode.

rh

RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Rob Oakes]

Hi John,

By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX.  By far the ugliest
offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation keys.  It uses weird
character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they are), that can't be
processed by LaTeX.  When these characters appear, the only way I've been
able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
non-productive pain.)

The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for BibTeX.  But since I
love using Zotero to collect citations and references from the web, this
poses a problem.

Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative using a reference
manager called Mendeley as an intermediary.  You can configure Mendeley so
that it will sync with the Zotero database.  Any updates to Zotero will
automatically be reflected in Mendeley.  (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not
supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in Zotero.)

Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with custom citation keys.
Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've had no problems
with Mendeley BibTeX.  I've been using it for two papers and a book I'm
working on.

Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX database files.  If
you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is completely automatic.
Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up in your BibTeX
database automatically via Mendeley.

I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though it's still in
beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2 update at least).
There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but those appear to have
been sorted out.

Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and sync your reference
library to multiple machines.  Zotero can do something similar, but I've
found Mendeley easier to use.

You can find more information on their web site:

http://www.mendeley.com/

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play

[Pavel Sanda]

Rob Oakes wrote:
> able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys.  Of
> course, this must be done after every export.  (A tremendous and
> non-productive pain.)

btw thats part of bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6300 .
we only need somebody to actually do it ;)
pavel