Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-24 Thread Helge Hafting

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three 
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:


* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe Insert Subservient

The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current 
heading,

Useful indeed.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to 
it. This function should have an are you sure screen, and maybe highlight in 
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard 
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.


I am not sure the are you sure thing is needed - instead, undo
will reinstate anything deleted by accident.

Or make it a two-click button:
* First click marks the stuff to be deleted, and moves (some of) it into
  view in the main window if needed. The button changes to something
  that indicate deletion, such as scissors.
* The next click deletes the stuff, and resets the button.
  Any other action except scrolling (to see what will go) should
  also reset the button and remove the marking.

This at least avoids the dreaded popup.

Helge Hafting


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-24 Thread Helge Hafting

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three 
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:


* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe Insert Subservient

The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current 
heading,

Useful indeed.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to 
it. This function should have an are you sure screen, and maybe highlight in 
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard 
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.


I am not sure the are you sure thing is needed - instead, undo
will reinstate anything deleted by accident.

Or make it a two-click button:
* First click marks the stuff to be deleted, and moves (some of) it into
  view in the main window if needed. The button changes to something
  that indicate deletion, such as scissors.
* The next click deletes the stuff, and resets the button.
  Any other action except scrolling (to see what will go) should
  also reset the button and remove the marking.

This at least avoids the dreaded popup.

Helge Hafting


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-24 Thread Helge Hafting

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three 
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:


* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe "Insert Subservient"

The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current 
heading,

Useful indeed.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to 
it. This function should have an "are you sure" screen, and maybe highlight in 
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard 
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.


I am not sure the "are you sure" thing is needed - instead, "undo"
will reinstate anything deleted by accident.

Or make it a two-click button:
* First click marks the stuff to be deleted, and moves (some of) it into
  view in the main window if needed. The button changes to something
  that indicate deletion, such as scissors.
* The next click deletes the stuff, and resets the button.
  Any other action except scrolling (to see what will go) should
  also reset the button and remove the marking.

This at least avoids the dreaded popup.

Helge Hafting


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
 On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or
  three more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:
 
  * Insert
  * Delete
  * Maybe Insert Subservient

 Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
 implement it.

:-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
 Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
 implement it.

 :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki

To add it, login and the click New Ticket and follow the instructions.

-- 
John C. McCabe-Dansted


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 11:39:17 John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com 
wrote:
  On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
  Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
  implement it.
 
  :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki

 To add it, login and the click New Ticket and follow the instructions.

Thanks John. I just added the ticket.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
 On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or
  three more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:
 
  * Insert
  * Delete
  * Maybe Insert Subservient

 Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
 implement it.

:-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
 Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
 implement it.

 :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki

To add it, login and the click New Ticket and follow the instructions.

-- 
John C. McCabe-Dansted


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 11:39:17 John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Littsl...@troubleshooters.com 
wrote:
  On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
  Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
  implement it.
 
  :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki

 To add it, login and the click New Ticket and follow the instructions.

Thanks John. I just added the ticket.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
> On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or
> > three more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:
> >
> > * Insert
> > * Delete
> > * Maybe "Insert Subservient"
>
> Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
> implement it.

:-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
>> Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
>> implement it.
>
> :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?

http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki

To add it, login and the click "New Ticket" and follow the instructions.

-- 
John C. McCabe-Dansted


Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 11:39:17 John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:
> > On Friday 21 August 2009 20:28:30 rgheck wrote:
> >> Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will
> >> implement it.
> >>
> > :-)   What is a trac, and how do I add it?
>
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki
>
> To add it, login and the click "New Ticket" and follow the instructions.

Thanks John. I just added the ticket.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-21 Thread rgheck

On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:

* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe Insert Subservient

   
Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will 
implement it.


rh


The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current
heading, directly above either the next heading at the current level, or if
the next heading superior to the current level, whichever comes first. A little
window should pop up for you to type the text of the heading into. This can be
mapped to the Insert key, which at least on my LyX is unmapped.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to
it. This function should have an are you sure screen, and maybe highlight in
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.

The Insert Subservient button would insert a headline 1 level subservient to
the current level, just above the next headline 1 level subservient to the
current one or the next level superior to that. In other words, it goes below
any text directly below the current outline. Maybe map this to Ctrl+Insert or
something.

With these two or three added buttons you now have a fully functional outline
processor integrated with the document processor. True, this outline processor
isn't as fast or featureful as VimOutliner, but it can be used to
design/outline chapters.

I just tried designing a chapter with the current outline mode without the
buttons, and it's so slow as to make you forget what you're doing. You must
repeatedly type in headlines in the doc, then give them headline level
environments, then move them around with the up and down and in and out. I
can't explain why, but it's incredibly slow, and it takes your mind away from
the designing.

You know, even just the one Insert button would make this a WHOLE BUNCH faster
to use.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

   




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-21 Thread rgheck

On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:

* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe Insert Subservient

   
Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will 
implement it.


rh


The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current
heading, directly above either the next heading at the current level, or if
the next heading superior to the current level, whichever comes first. A little
window should pop up for you to type the text of the heading into. This can be
mapped to the Insert key, which at least on my LyX is unmapped.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to
it. This function should have an are you sure screen, and maybe highlight in
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.

The Insert Subservient button would insert a headline 1 level subservient to
the current level, just above the next headline 1 level subservient to the
current one or the next level superior to that. In other words, it goes below
any text directly below the current outline. Maybe map this to Ctrl+Insert or
something.

With these two or three added buttons you now have a fully functional outline
processor integrated with the document processor. True, this outline processor
isn't as fast or featureful as VimOutliner, but it can be used to
design/outline chapters.

I just tried designing a chapter with the current outline mode without the
buttons, and it's so slow as to make you forget what you're doing. You must
repeatedly type in headlines in the doc, then give them headline level
environments, then move them around with the up and down and in and out. I
can't explain why, but it's incredibly slow, and it takes your mind away from
the designing.

You know, even just the one Insert button would make this a WHOLE BUNCH faster
to use.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

   




Re: A feature you really need

2009-08-21 Thread rgheck

On 08/21/2009 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the outline view on LyX 1.6.x. You need two or three
more buttons to make the outline view fully functional:

* Insert
* Delete
* Maybe "Insert Subservient"

   
Add this to trac, Steve. It's a good idea, and I'm sure someone will 
implement it.


rh


The Insert function inserts a new heading, at the level of the current
heading, directly above either the next heading at the current level, or if
the next heading superior to the current level, whichever comes first. A little
window should pop up for you to type the text of the heading into. This can be
mapped to the Insert key, which at least on my LyX is unmapped.

The Delete function deletes the current headline and everything subservient to
it. This function should have an "are you sure" screen, and maybe highlight in
the document view everything that will be deleted. No need for a keyboard
mapping --- this should not be done thoughtlessly.

The "Insert Subservient button would insert a headline 1 level subservient to
the current level, just above the next headline 1 level subservient to the
current one or the next level superior to that. In other words, it goes below
any text directly below the current outline. Maybe map this to Ctrl+Insert or
something.

With these two or three added buttons you now have a fully functional outline
processor integrated with the document processor. True, this outline processor
isn't as fast or featureful as VimOutliner, but it can be used to
design/outline chapters.

I just tried designing a chapter with the current outline mode without the
buttons, and it's so slow as to make you forget what you're doing. You must
repeatedly type in headlines in the doc, then give them headline level
environments, then move them around with the up and down and in and out. I
can't explain why, but it's incredibly slow, and it takes your mind away from
the designing.

You know, even just the one Insert button would make this a WHOLE BUNCH faster
to use.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt