Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: desultory :)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread aparsloe


On 1/12/2014 9:44 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: desultory :)

Ticket #9345.

Andrew (Glad to have enlarged the vocabulary.)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: desultory :)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread aparsloe


On 1/12/2014 9:44 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: desultory :)

Ticket #9345.

Andrew (Glad to have enlarged the vocabulary.)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: "desultory" :)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-12-01 Thread aparsloe


On 1/12/2014 9:44 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 28/11/2014 21:11, aparsloe a écrit :

If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


I think you can use your original description and maybe point to this 
discussion, for example here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg99175.html

I think that the outco;e is that if one of the two paragraphs is not 
standard, then it should win. If both are not standard, then I do not 
know what to do :)


JMarc

PS: I learned a new word today: "desultory" :)

Ticket #9345.

Andrew (Glad to have enlarged the vocabulary.)



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread aparsloe


On 28/11/2014 11:51 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc
If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing 
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread aparsloe


On 28/11/2014 11:51 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc
If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing 
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-11-28 Thread aparsloe


On 28/11/2014 11:51 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 07/06/2014 07:43, aparsloe a écrit :

Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset destroyed
but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard paragraph.


Hi, [looking through old messages]

Did this ever become a ticket on trac?

JMarc
If I recall correctly there was a somewhat desultory and confusing 
discussion. I didn't know what to put on trac and so put nothing.


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread aparsloe


On 10/06/2014 8:38 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc
Alas, you have confused me now. I'm not sure what to report -- my 
original posting or something else. Since standard is the default 
layout, that is indeed what the inset dissolves to if it contains normal 
text but, having been prompted to try a section heading in a note, it 
dissolves into a section heading (even within a list -- I see that it is 
perfectly possible to put a section heading, numbered, bolded, larger 
type, within a list or sublist or subsublist, and have it indented 
accordingly).


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread aparsloe


On 10/06/2014 8:38 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc
Alas, you have confused me now. I'm not sure what to report -- my 
original posting or something else. Since standard is the default 
layout, that is indeed what the inset dissolves to if it contains normal 
text but, having been prompted to try a section heading in a note, it 
dissolves into a section heading (even within a list -- I see that it is 
perfectly possible to put a section heading, numbered, bolded, larger 
type, within a list or sublist or subsublist, and have it indented 
accordingly).


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-10 Thread aparsloe


On 10/06/2014 8:38 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

08/06/2014 22:57, Richard Heck:

I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


This is is probably the case indeed. This makes sense when the note 
contains a Section environment for example. The behavior should be 
dependent on whether the layout is the default one or not.


I have no idea of where this code lives, though.

I think this deserves a bug report.

JMarc
Alas, you have confused me now. I'm not sure what to report -- my 
original posting or something else. Since standard is the default 
layout, that is indeed what the inset dissolves to if it contains normal 
text but, having been prompted to try a section heading in a note, it 
dissolves into a section heading (even within a list -- I see that it is 
perfectly possible to put a section heading, numbered, bolded, larger 
type, within a list or sublist or subsublist, and have it indented 
accordingly).


Andrew



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/07/2014 01:43 AM, aparsloe wrote:
Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace 
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding 
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph 
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset 
destroyed but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard 
paragraph. Writing [note](note contents) to denote a note inset,


1. [note](blah blah blah)
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

displays in the pdf as

1. (a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

which may what is desired, but if you feel the blah blah blah should 
be made visible in the pdf and put the cursor before the first blah 
and press backspace, the result is


blah blah blah  -- a standard paragraph
1. sub-item
(a) another sub-item

What I expected was

1. blah blah blah
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

This seems to apply to all insets (I've also tried footnotes, margin 
notes, minipages, ERT), not just notes.


I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the 
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the 
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


Richard



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/07/2014 01:43 AM, aparsloe wrote:
Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace 
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding 
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph 
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset 
destroyed but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard 
paragraph. Writing [note](note contents) to denote a note inset,


1. [note](blah blah blah)
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

displays in the pdf as

1. (a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

which may what is desired, but if you feel the blah blah blah should 
be made visible in the pdf and put the cursor before the first blah 
and press backspace, the result is


blah blah blah  -- a standard paragraph
1. sub-item
(a) another sub-item

What I expected was

1. blah blah blah
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

This seems to apply to all insets (I've also tried footnotes, margin 
notes, minipages, ERT), not just notes.


I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the 
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the 
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


Richard



Re: Backspacing at the start of an inset occupying a paragraph

2014-06-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 06/07/2014 01:43 AM, aparsloe wrote:
Placing the cursor at the start of an inset and pressing the backspace 
key destroys the inset and makes its content part of the surrounding 
text. However, if the inset is the *only* item in a paragraph 
environment (list, Quotation, etc.) then not only is the inset 
destroyed but so too is the environment, which becomes a standard 
paragraph. Writing [note](note contents) to denote a note inset,


1. [note](blah blah blah)
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

displays in the pdf as

1. (a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

which may what is desired, but if you feel the "blah blah blah" should 
be made visible in the pdf and put the cursor before the first "blah" 
and press backspace, the result is


blah blah blah  <-- a standard paragraph
1. sub-item
(a) another sub-item

What I expected was

1. blah blah blah
(a) sub-item
(b) another sub-item

This seems to apply to all insets (I've also tried footnotes, margin 
notes, minipages, ERT), not just notes.


I think the reason this happens is that the layout in effect in the 
inset becomes the layout in effect in the paragraph, if the inset is the 
only thing there. I'm not sure exactly why it works that way, though.


Richard