Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Pavel Sanda said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:59:27 +0200 >On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 09:37:33AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. >> > >> >> Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get >> it? > >We actually have more detailed page here >https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette so you could add your point >about interleaving... Yes. A great place would be https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette#replying . I'll of course run it by all of you before modifying this wiki, but I think references to old-timers and senile old buggers should be removed. It's not old vs young, it's clarity vs ambiguity. Also, bottom posting is just a special case of interleave posting. Bottom posting is compatible with interleave posting, whereas top posting destroys interleave posting. I'll try to have the text, for the project's approval, in a month. Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Pavel Sanda said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:37:33 +0200 >> Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. > >Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? >We could add the netiquette links to initial subscribe-list emails. I probably can if given some time. It's not a hard job, but right now my personal and computer life is in a state of upheaval, with each messing up the other. So give me a month or so, and please keep reminding me. This is a task that's right up my alley. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Le 20/10/2022 à 09:07, Lorenzo Bertini a écrit : My two unrequested cents. This is a 15 mail chain where: 1. Poster is nice, gives MWE and image with result. 2. An equally nice person gives a meaningful answer linking a library and even providing an example. This could have stopped here. 3. One person complains and spawns a 12 mail conversation about the legitimacy of the question, ultimately pondering Lyx's netiquette. For me personally, in a list usually so polite and spam free... I could not agree more. JMarc -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 09:37:33AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. > > Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? We actually have more detailed page here https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette so you could add your point about interleaving... Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 02:29:31AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > * Be nice, pleasant and helpful > > * Interleave post > > * Trim all irrelevant quoted context > > * Before emailing: > > * Do at least 15 minutes research > * Try to make a Minimum Working Example These sound sensible to me. > Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should > also > be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". > You > might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the > person > makes a real MWE. We have it at https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MinimalExample , but can link it from list netiquette statements at https://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc8 . > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? We could add the netiquette links to initial subscribe-list emails. Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Il 20/10/22 08:29, Steve Litt ha scritto: On Wed, 2022-10-19 at 11:26 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. This is impractical, because there are so many people who ask questions without one minute's research. I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and informative, replies. The preceding sentence sounds great in theory, but in practice how do you enforce it non-selectively. What about the guy who keeps getting in little digs until the target gives it to him full force? There are people who specialize in staying just within the margins, continuously poking at their target, and then chuckle when the target is declared to have infringed the rules. You know, the LyX project should have a prominent and obvious document stating the following: * Be nice, pleasant and helpful * Interleave post * Trim all irrelevant quoted context * Before emailing: * Do at least 15 minutes research * Try to make a Minimum Working Example Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should also be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". You might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the person makes a real MWE. Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. SteveT My two unrequested cents. This is a 15 mail chain where: 1. Poster is nice, gives MWE and image with result. 2. An equally nice person gives a meaningful answer linking a library and even providing an example. This could have stopped here. 3. One person complains and spawns a 12 mail conversation about the legitimacy of the question, ultimately pondering Lyx's netiquette. For me personally, in a list usually so polite and spam free... Things I'd rather do: - sometimes spend a little time answering off-topic questions (for me it usually is about CSS) Things I'd rather not do: - be pedantic about rules In the time I write a complaint I can usually write an answer, or even faster, ignore the mail. Just sayin' -- Lorenzo -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Wed, 2022-10-19 at 11:26 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. This is impractical, because there are so many people who ask questions without one minute's research. > > I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and > informative, replies. The preceding sentence sounds great in theory, but in practice how do you enforce it non-selectively. What about the guy who keeps getting in little digs until the target gives it to him full force? There are people who specialize in staying just within the margins, continuously poking at their target, and then chuckle when the target is declared to have infringed the rules. You know, the LyX project should have a prominent and obvious document stating the following: * Be nice, pleasant and helpful * Interleave post * Trim all irrelevant quoted context * Before emailing: * Do at least 15 minutes research * Try to make a Minimum Working Example Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should also be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". You might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the person makes a real MWE. Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. SteveT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:02:05PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 07:14:50PM +0200, Daniel wrote: > What our netiquette indeed does not cover is kindness and I find > it impossible to impose it from outside. What can we do as a > community is to decide that we might not want to scare user > newbies -- if you the only thing you have to say is RTFM, just > leave the thread and move to another one. > > I must confess though that in cases where someone is repeatedly > outsourcing his effort to *at least try* to find some solution on > his own, the RTFM might be approprite input... In my view of course, > but if there is some community sense that we should try to declare > some positive approach in the netiquette, we are free to discuss it > on this list and set our boundaries :) How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and informative, replies. That said, I don't volunteer to lead the effort. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
