Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:
 A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
 it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.
 
 The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
 build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
 fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
 this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
 when/if there is significant testing.
 
 Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
 do not know how to query OS version at run time.

OK, a binary for testing is now available here:
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/LyX-1.6.5svn-Snow-Leopard-Test.app.zip

Please test if this fixes your problems on Snow Leopard and report back. 
Also please report whether the autosave slowdown is bearable, or any strange 
behaviour that might occur.

If the fix proves to do what it ought to (i.e., prevent the pseudo-crashes 
on autosave), we will release a patched 1.6.4.2 specifically for Snow 
Leopard soon.

The binary is not such a patched 1.6.4, but rather a snapshot of the current 
1.6.5svn trunk. It should be stable, but be advised it's not officially 
declared stable.

Jürgen

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:
 A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
 it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.
 
 The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
 build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
 fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
 this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
 when/if there is significant testing.
 
 Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
 do not know how to query OS version at run time.

OK, a binary for testing is now available here:
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/LyX-1.6.5svn-Snow-Leopard-Test.app.zip

Please test if this fixes your problems on Snow Leopard and report back. 
Also please report whether the autosave slowdown is bearable, or any strange 
behaviour that might occur.

If the fix proves to do what it ought to (i.e., prevent the pseudo-crashes 
on autosave), we will release a patched 1.6.4.2 specifically for Snow 
Leopard soon.

The binary is not such a patched 1.6.4, but rather a snapshot of the current 
1.6.5svn trunk. It should be stable, but be advised it's not officially 
declared stable.

Jürgen

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> rgheck  writes:
>> A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
>> it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.
> 
> The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
> build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
> fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
> this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
> when/if there is significant testing.
> 
> Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
> do not know how to query OS version at run time.

OK, a binary for testing is now available here:
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/LyX-1.6.5svn-Snow-Leopard-Test.app.zip

Please test if this fixes your problems on Snow Leopard and report back. 
Also please report whether the autosave slowdown is bearable, or any strange 
behaviour that might occur.

If the fix proves to do what it ought to (i.e., prevent the pseudo-crashes 
on autosave), we will release a patched 1.6.4.2 specifically for Snow 
Leopard soon.

The binary is not such a patched 1.6.4, but rather a snapshot of the current 
1.6.5svn trunk. It should be stable, but be advised it's not "officially" 
declared stable.

Jürgen

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:
 A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
 it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be  
found by parsing the output of uname -a or hostinfo. I'm sure  
there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5  
cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly  
waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB


 On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got  
nobody to

build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to  
branch

when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally,  
since I

do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc


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Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


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Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Stefano Baroni bar...@sissa.it writes:

 I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be
 found by parsing the output of uname -a or hostinfo. I'm sure
 there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5
 cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly
 waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB

I guess there is a library function that can give me this information,
but I am clueless about darwin libraries.

I see signs that sysctl with KERN_OSREL might help, but this is getting
a bit complicated :)

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:
 A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
 it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be  
found by parsing the output of uname -a or hostinfo. I'm sure  
there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5  
cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly  
waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB


 On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes:

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got  
nobody to

build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to  
branch

when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally,  
since I

do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc


---
Stefano Baroni - SISSADEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Stefano Baroni bar...@sissa.it writes:

 I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be
 found by parsing the output of uname -a or hostinfo. I'm sure
 there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5
 cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly
 waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB

I guess there is a library function that can give me this information,
but I am clueless about darwin libraries.

I see signs that sysctl with KERN_OSREL might help, but this is getting
a bit complicated :)

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

rgheck  writes:
> A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
> it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got nobody to
build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to branch
when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally, since I
do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be  
found by parsing the output of "uname -a" or "hostinfo". I'm sure  
there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5  
cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly  
waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB


 On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


rgheck  writes:

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why
it suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


The workaround has been committed to trunk only, but since I got  
nobody to

build a binary for testing nothing is happening for branch. Since the
fix leads to a slow down when autosaving (LyX is unresponsive during
this time) I made another patch to speedup saving. This can go to  
branch

when/if there is significant testing.

Note that the workaround would affect to 10.5 and 10.6 equally,  
since I

do not know how to query OS version at run time.

JMarc


---
Stefano Baroni - SISSA  &  DEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Stefano Baroni  writes:

> I'm no unix geek, but if the kernel version is enough, that can be
> found by parsing the output of "uname -a" or "hostinfo". I'm sure
> there are better ways of doing this, but I just wanted to add my 5
> cents to this discussion (not notally selfless, though: I am eagerly
> waiting for this issue to be solved to move to snow leopard ;-) - SB

I guess there is a library function that can give me this information,
but I am clueless about darwin libraries.

I see signs that sysctl with KERN_OSREL might help, but this is getting
a bit complicated :)

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Dennis Hohmann]

Bruce Pourciau bruce.h.pourc...@... writes:
 
 What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?
 
 Bruce
 
 

Same problem here. Just tested with LyX 1.6.3. If you enable Rosetta everything
works as expected (but in my opinion it runs not so smooth).

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Dennis Hohmann]

Bruce Pourciau bruce.h.pourc...@... writes:
 
 What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?
 
 Bruce
 
 

Same problem here. Just tested with LyX 1.6.3. If you enable Rosetta everything
works as expected (but in my opinion it runs not so smooth).

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Dennis Hohmann]

Bruce Pourciau  writes:
 
> What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 

Same problem here. Just tested with LyX 1.6.3. If you enable Rosetta everything
works as expected (but in my opinion it runs not so smooth).

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jan David Hauck]

Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Luca Carlon]

Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:

 
 Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
 can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
 really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
 inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
 autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
 that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I suppose the
bug is still there.

Luca Carlon

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow  
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a  
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently  
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning  
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,  
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between  
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I  
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix  
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if  
he has finalized a fix yet...

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow 
Leopard, I

can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a 
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even 
with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently 
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning 
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, 
so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, 
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between 
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I 
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix 
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if 
he has finalized a fix yet...


A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why it 
suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


rh

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:01 AM, rgheck wrote:


On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed

really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even

with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently
maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval,

so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I
suppose the
bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid  
fix

for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if
he has finalized a fix yet...

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why  
it

suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

rh



What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?

Bruce

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jan David Hauck]

Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Luca Carlon]

Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:

 
 Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
 can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
 really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
 inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
 autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
 that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I suppose the
bug is still there.

Luca Carlon

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow  
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a  
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently  
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning  
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,  
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between  
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I  
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix  
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if  
he has finalized a fix yet...

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow 
Leopard, I

can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a 
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even 
with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently 
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning 
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, 
so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, 
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between 
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I 
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix 
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if 
he has finalized a fix yet...


A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why it 
suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


rh

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:01 AM, rgheck wrote:


On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck jdha...@... writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed

really one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even

with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently
maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval,

so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I
suppose the
bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid  
fix

for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if
he has finalized a fix yet...

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why  
it

suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

rh



What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?

Bruce

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jan David Hauck]

Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
"really" one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Luca Carlon]

Jan David Hauck  writes:

> 
> Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow Leopard, I
> can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
> "really" one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a footnote
> inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even with
> autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently maybe
> that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?

I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I suppose the
bug is still there.

Luca Carlon

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck  writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow  
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed
"really" one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a  
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently  
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning  
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval, so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,  
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between  
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I  
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix  
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if  
he has finalized a fix yet...

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck  writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow 
Leopard, I

can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX crashed
"really" one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a 
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems even 
with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently 
maybe

that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning 
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave interval, 
so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too, 
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between 
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I 
suppose the

bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid fix 
for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if 
he has finalized a fix yet...


A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why it 
suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.


rh

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:01 AM, rgheck wrote:


On 10/29/2009 09:03 AM, James C. Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Luca Carlon wrote:


Jan David Hauck  writes:



Referring to the recent discussion on LyX having problems on Snow
Leopard, I
can state, that the problem solved itself somehow. In fact LyX  
crashed

"really" one time (I think when I accidentally wanted to paste a
footnote
inside a footnote or something) but after that no more problems  
even

with
autosave enabled (and on 3 minutes). I made System Update recently
maybe
that fixed it. Anybody else resolved it?


I tried to turn off autosave but it seems there is a bug in turning
it off
(reported). Then I tried to set to 100 minutes the autosave  
interval,

so that I
could work without it somehow (seems to me there is a bug there too,
I had to
restart some times before 100 minutes were actually placed between
autosavings).
I still get the error message some times, but very rarely. Anyay, I
suppose the
bug is still there.



The bug is still there.  As far as I know there is not yet a solid  
fix

for this.  Bennet had been working on something, but I don't know if
he has finalized a fix yet...

A fix has been committed: disabling fork() on OSX. We don't know why  
it

suddenly stopped working, but it is a limitation of OSX itself.

rh



What about earlier versions, 1.6.3 for example, and snow leopard?

Bruce

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Ludovico Rossi]

Hello,
I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow  
Leopard. Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other  
user reports, I've built the 1.6.4.1 source available here


ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz

manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build  
without experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case  
somebody finds it useful:


http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip

I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx  
before, so this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way  
to solve the problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a  
quick-and-dirty workaround until an official new version is released.  
Also, if you experience any issues with this binary please share them  
here.


The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on  
SL. I can provide detailed building instructions if someone is  
interested.


The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard  
fix).


Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
http://www.lyx.org/License

Ludovico Rossi

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Grande Ludovico!!! I'll try to try it this weekend. Thanks a lot.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Ludovico Rossi l...@bluepixysw.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow Leopard.
 Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other user reports, I've
 built the 1.6.4.1 source available here

 ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz

 manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build without
 experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case somebody finds it
 useful:

 http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip

 I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx before, so
 this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way to solve the
 problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a quick-and-dirty
 workaround until an official new version is released. Also, if you
 experience any issues with this binary please share them here.

 The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on SL. I
 can provide detailed building instructions if someone is interested.

 The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard fix).

 Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
 http://www.lyx.org/License

 Ludovico Rossi

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Ludovico Rossi]

Hello,
I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow  
Leopard. Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other  
user reports, I've built the 1.6.4.1 source available here


ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz

manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build  
without experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case  
somebody finds it useful:


http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip

I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx  
before, so this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way  
to solve the problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a  
quick-and-dirty workaround until an official new version is released.  
Also, if you experience any issues with this binary please share them  
here.


The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on  
SL. I can provide detailed building instructions if someone is  
interested.


The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard  
fix).


Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
http://www.lyx.org/License

Ludovico Rossi

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Grande Ludovico!!! I'll try to try it this weekend. Thanks a lot.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Ludovico Rossi l...@bluepixysw.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow Leopard.
 Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other user reports, I've
 built the 1.6.4.1 source available here

 ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz

 manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build without
 experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case somebody finds it
 useful:

 http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip

 I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx before, so
 this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way to solve the
 problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a quick-and-dirty
 workaround until an official new version is released. Also, if you
 experience any issues with this binary please share them here.

 The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on SL. I
 can provide detailed building instructions if someone is interested.

 The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard fix).

 Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
 http://www.lyx.org/License

 Ludovico Rossi

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Ludovico Rossi]

Hello,
I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow  
Leopard. Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other  
user reports, I've built the 1.6.4.1 source available here


ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz

manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build  
without experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case  
somebody finds it useful:


http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip

I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx  
before, so this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way  
to solve the problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a  
quick-and-dirty workaround until an official new version is released.  
Also, if you experience any issues with this binary please share them  
here.


The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on  
SL. I can provide detailed building instructions if someone is  
interested.


The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard  
fix).


Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
http://www.lyx.org/License

Ludovico Rossi

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Grande Ludovico!!! I'll try to try it this weekend. Thanks a lot.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Ludovico Rossi  wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm a Lyx user who experienced the autosave crashing issue on Snow Leopard.
> Based on what I've read in this mailing list and in other user reports, I've
> built the 1.6.4.1 source available here
>
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/1.6.x/lyx-1.6.4.1.tar.gz
>
> manually disabling HAVE_FORK, and then I've used this custom build without
> experiencing any crash. I'm sharing the binary in case somebody finds it
> useful:
>
> http://www.bluepixysw.com/Lyx.zip
>
> I'm not involved in any Lyx development and I've never built Lyx before, so
> this is absolutely not intended as the best or official way to solve the
> problem: if this binary works for you, consider it a quick-and-dirty
> workaround until an official new version is released. Also, if you
> experience any issues with this binary please share them here.
>
> The binary was built on Leopard (10.5), but it seems to work fine on SL. I
> can provide detailed building instructions if someone is interested.
>
> The binary is Intel only (as this is just intended as a Snow Leopard fix).
>
> Of course, it is released under the usual Lyx license:
> http://www.lyx.org/License
>
> Ludovico Rossi
>
>

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:
 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


 What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:
 Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:
 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


 What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

 How to do a fork() properly.

 JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS X  
10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all right  
on MAC OS X 10.6?


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

Thansk to all,
SB

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:


Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)



What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just  
curious.


How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc



---
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Trieste
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Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?


That has been my observation.


Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash and  
no work is lost.


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


So was mine.



Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


IMHO it is a little more than annoyance, as the crash notification  
window always pops up having focus.
That is, it is selected and in front of the text I'm writing on. So  
that's really a heavy interruption during writing.




If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you  
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to  
make some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and  
release this as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?


Johannes

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 4:57 PM, James C. Sutherland wrote:



On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


Thanks

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready to  
accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If this  
problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have then  to  
choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the impression  
that many mac os x users will consider this a serious annoyance. Let's  
wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling autosave?  
This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready to manually  
save my own work, but not to be notified at random times that  
something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going all  
right ...


Thanks to all again
SB

---
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Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


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Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts  
to perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this  
is little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually  
crash and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready  
to accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If  
this problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have  
then  to choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the  
impression that many mac os x users will consider this a serious  
annoyance. Let's wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling  
autosave? This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready  
to manually save my own work, but not to be notified at random times  
that something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going  
all right ...


I should also point out that the crash only happens when you have  
unsaved work for a period of time.  If you are constantly saving your  
document as you type, then you will rarely experience this annoyance.

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote: 


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup 
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you 
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all 
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago, so 
autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was that a 
confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a backup for the 
original document had crept into the dialog somehow. So disabling 
autosave was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people 
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours between 
attempts and so crashes. Not perfect, but better.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current branch from:
svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back, and 
there's info on the wiki tool.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release on 
Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows. I'll 
float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[William Bray]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:13 PM, rgheck wrote:


On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number  
you type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago,  
so autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was  
that a confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a  
backup for the original document had crept into the dialog somehow.  
So disabling autosave was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people  
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours  
between attempts and so crashes. Not perfect, but better.


Have tried this and it does not work. Lyx still crashes about every 5  
minutes.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current  
branch from:

svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back,  
and there's info on the wiki tool.


Can you explain further what you mean by real fix? Just would like  
to know before I go through the compile process.


The fix for me of late has simply to hit CMD+S  about every three  
minutes. No false crashes occur at all if I am consistent.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release  
on Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows.  
I'll float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Manveru]

2009/9/23 Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de

 Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
 [...]

 Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to make
 some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and release this
 as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?



I would consider moving to threads instead of fork(). This may additionally
be an performance improvement on Windows, where threading is known to be
faster than splitting process into two.

I understand that could be a lot of work - I do not have time now to look at
the lyx code for fork() occurences, but for now the task could be simplified
by writing some threading code used as close as possible to fork(). It may
need moving some stuff to separate functions, and call them from thread
instead of conditional execution on fork() result.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
gg: 1624001
  http://www.manveru.pl

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:
 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


 What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:
 Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:
 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


 What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

 How to do a fork() properly.

 JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS X  
10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all right  
on MAC OS X 10.6?


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

Thansk to all,
SB

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:


Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

Christian Liesen christian.lie...@hfh.ch writes:

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)



What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just  
curious.


How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc



---
Stefano Baroni - SISSADEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?


That has been my observation.


Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash and  
no work is lost.


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


So was mine.



Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


IMHO it is a little more than annoyance, as the crash notification  
window always pops up having focus.
That is, it is selected and in front of the text I'm writing on. So  
that's really a heavy interruption during writing.




If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you  
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to  
make some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and  
release this as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?


Johannes

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 4:57 PM, James C. Sutherland wrote:



On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


Thanks

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready to  
accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If this  
problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have then  to  
choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the impression  
that many mac os x users will consider this a serious annoyance. Let's  
wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling autosave?  
This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready to manually  
save my own work, but not to be notified at random times that  
something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going all  
right ...


Thanks to all again
SB

---
Stefano Baroni - SISSADEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts  
to perform autosaving and the crash still occurs.  However, this  
is little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually  
crash and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready  
to accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If  
this problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have  
then  to choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the  
impression that many mac os x users will consider this a serious  
annoyance. Let's wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling  
autosave? This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready  
to manually save my own work, but not to be notified at random times  
that something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going  
all right ...


I should also point out that the crash only happens when you have  
unsaved work for a period of time.  If you are constantly saving your  
document as you type, then you will rarely experience this annoyance.

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote: 


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup 
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you 
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all 
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago, so 
autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was that a 
confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a backup for the 
original document had crept into the dialog somehow. So disabling 
autosave was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people 
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours between 
attempts and so crashes. Not perfect, but better.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current branch from:
svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back, and 
there's info on the wiki tool.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release on 
Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows. I'll 
float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[William Bray]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:13 PM, rgheck wrote:


On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX - Preferences - Look  Feel - User Interface - Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number  
you type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago,  
so autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was  
that a confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a  
backup for the original document had crept into the dialog somehow.  
So disabling autosave was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people  
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours  
between attempts and so crashes. Not perfect, but better.


Have tried this and it does not work. Lyx still crashes about every 5  
minutes.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current  
branch from:

svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back,  
and there's info on the wiki tool.


Can you explain further what you mean by real fix? Just would like  
to know before I go through the compile process.


The fix for me of late has simply to hit CMD+S  about every three  
minutes. No false crashes occur at all if I am consistent.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release  
on Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows.  
I'll float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Manveru]

2009/9/23 Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de

 Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
 [...]

 Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to make
 some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and release this
 as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?



I would consider moving to threads instead of fork(). This may additionally
be an performance improvement on Windows, where threading is known to be
faster than splitting process into two.

I understand that could be a lot of work - I do not have time now to look at
the lyx code for fork() occurences, but for now the task could be simplified
by writing some threading code used as close as possible to fork(). It may
need moving some stuff to separate functions, and call them from thread
instead of conditional execution on fork() result.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
gg: 1624001
  http://www.manveru.pl

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Christian Liesen  writes:
>> I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
>> developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
>> help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
>> from being a developer.)
>>
>
> What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 wrote:
> Christian Liesen  writes:
>>> I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
>>> developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
>>> help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
>>> from being a developer.)
>>>
>>
>> What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.
>
> How to do a fork() properly.
>
> JMarc
>

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS X  
10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all right  
on MAC OS X 10.6?


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

Thansk to all,
SB

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:


Not properly, but according to Snow Leopard standards!!! :P
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 wrote:

Christian Liesen  writes:

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)



What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just  
curious.


How to do a fork() properly.

JMarc



---
Stefano Baroni - SISSA  &  DEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is autosave?


That has been my observation.


Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the "crash" still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash and  
no work is lost.


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX -> Preferences -> Look & Feel -> User Interface -> "Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes"

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


So was mine.



Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the "crash" still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


IMHO it is a little more than annoyance, as the crash notification  
window always pops up having focus.
That is, it is selected and in front of the text I'm writing on. So  
that's really a heavy interruption during writing.




If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX -> Preferences -> Look & Feel -> User Interface -> "Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes"


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you  
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to  
make some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and  
release this as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?


Johannes

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Stefano Baroni]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 4:57 PM, James C. Sutherland wrote:



On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:

Hi All. It seems that having a version of LyX working poperly on OS  
X 10.6 may require some time.


Do you confirm that the only feature not working properly is  
autosave?



That has been my observation.


Thanks

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts to  
perform autosaving and the "crash" still occurs.  However, this is  
little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually crash  
and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready to  
accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If this  
problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have then  to  
choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the impression  
that many mac os x users will consider this a serious annoyance. Let's  
wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling autosave?  
This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready to manually  
save my own work, but not to be notified at random times that  
something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going all  
right ...


Thanks to all again
SB

---
Stefano Baroni - SISSA  &  DEMOCRITOS National Simulation Center -  
Trieste
http://stefano.baroni.me [+39] 040 3787 406 (tel) -528 (fax) /  
stefanobaroni (skype)


La morale est une logique de l'action comme la logique est une morale  
de la pensée - Jean Piaget


Please, if possible, don't  send me MS Word or PowerPoint attachments
Why? See:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

Do you confirm that by disabling autosave LyX 1.6.4.1 works all  
right on MAC OS X 10.6?


No.  It seems that even by disabling autosave, LyX still attempts  
to perform autosaving and the "crash" still occurs.  However, this  
is little more than an annoyance since the app doesn't actually  
crash and no work is lost.


I understand, but this sounds like an annoyance that I am not ready  
to accept. I will delay for a while the upgrade to OS X 10.6. If  
this problem is not solved in a few weeks, I am afraid I will have  
then  to choose between LyX and Snow Leopard. Personally, I have the  
impression that many mac os x users will consider this a serious  
annoyance. Let's wait and see ...


Can any of the developers find a way of completely disabling  
autosave? This would seem to me an acceptable compromise. I am ready  
to manually save my own work, but not to be notified at random times  
that something is going wrong, even if (almost) everything is going  
all right ...


I should also point out that the "crash" only happens when you have  
unsaved work for a period of time.  If you are constantly saving your  
document as you type, then you will rarely experience this annoyance.

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[rgheck]

On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote: 


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX -> Preferences -> Look & Feel -> User Interface -> "Backup 
Documents every XXX Minutes"


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number you 
type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all 
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago, so 
autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was that a 
confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a backup for the 
original document had crept into the dialog somehow. So "disabling 
autosave" was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people 
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours between 
attempts and so "crashes". Not perfect, but better.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current branch from:
svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back, and 
there's info on the wiki tool.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release on 
Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows. I'll 
float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[William Bray]

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:13 PM, rgheck wrote:


On 09/23/2009 11:48 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote:

Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Stefano Baroni wrote:


If so, would you please remind us how to disable autosave?

LyX -> Preferences -> Look & Feel -> User Interface -> "Backup  
Documents every XXX Minutes"


As said, you can't really disable autosave. No matter which number  
you type here, LyX does automatic saving.
I don't know if this is only a Mac specific issue or happens on all  
platforms. If so, what is the use of this preference?

What do others say?

The fix for this was committed to trunk and branch a few days ago,  
so autosave can be disabled in current 1.6.5svn. The problem was  
that a confusion between saving automatic backups and saving a  
backup for the original document had crept into the dialog somehow.  
So "disabling autosave" was actually disabling backups on saving.


Two suggestions to people on Snow Leopard, then. First, have people  
tried just setting the autosave time to 300? That's five hours  
between attempts and so "crashes". Not perfect, but better.


Have tried this and it does not work. Lyx still crashes about every 5  
minutes.


Second, if you want the real fix, download and compile current  
branch from:

svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branch/BRANCH_1_6_X/
I posted a longish message about how to do this a couple weeks back,  
and there's info on the wiki tool.


Can you explain further what you mean by "real fix"? Just would like  
to know before I go through the compile process.


The fix for me of late has simply to hit CMD+S  about every three  
minutes. No false crashes occur at all if I am consistent.


Third, perhaps it's worth a plea for some kind of emergency release  
on Mac OSX, as there was an emergency release (1.6.4.1) on Windows.  
I'll float that idea on devel.


Richard

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Manveru]

2009/9/23 Johannes Knaus 

> Am 23.09.2009 um 16:57 schrieb James C. Sutherland:
> [...]
>
> Would it be possible --as an intermediate workaround solution-- to make
> some code changes to autosave completely disable autosave and release this
> as a MacOSX-10.6-only Lyx-version?
>
>
>
I would consider moving to threads instead of fork(). This may additionally
be an performance improvement on Windows, where threading is known to be
faster than splitting process into two.

I understand that could be a lot of work - I do not have time now to look at
the lyx code for fork() occurences, but for now the task could be simplified
by writing some threading code used as close as possible to fork(). It may
need moving some stuff to separate functions, and call them from thread
instead of conditional execution on fork() result.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
gg: 1624001
  http://www.manveru.pl

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:

 Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?

No :(

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX crashes (you  
get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains functional and I have  
not experienced any loss of work.  So I would personally not shy away  
from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Just my two cents:

I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't  
loose any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will  
also keep nagging you as they appear quite often.


My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I  
apparently have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of  
it (see my previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from- 
Macports-Snow-Leopard incompatibility issue as well.
So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be  
rescued by the LyX-Mac developers.


Johannes


Am 22.09.2009 um 15:52 schrieb James C. Sutherland:



On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX  
crashes (you get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains  
functional and I have not experienced any loss of work.  So I would  
personally not shy away from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[BH]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de wrote:
 Just my two cents:

 I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
 any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
 nagging you as they appear quite often.

 My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
 have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
 previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
 incompatibility issue as well.
 So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be rescued by
 the LyX-Mac developers.

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)

*Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.

BH

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Really sad landscape then. I think Snow Leopard will be kept at bay. I
have a wife writing her thesis and I don't want to mess up with here
rhythm as nagging error messages are known to disrupt it. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:21 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de 
 wrote:
 Just my two cents:

 I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
 any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
 nagging you as they appear quite often.

 My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
 have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
 previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
 incompatibility issue as well.
 So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be rescued by
 the LyX-Mac developers.

 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)

 *Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
 feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
 so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
 Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.

 BH

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Christian Liesen]

 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

-- Christian

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:

 Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?

No :(

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX crashes (you  
get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains functional and I have  
not experienced any loss of work.  So I would personally not shy away  
from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Just my two cents:

I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't  
loose any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will  
also keep nagging you as they appear quite often.


My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I  
apparently have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of  
it (see my previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from- 
Macports-Snow-Leopard incompatibility issue as well.
So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be  
rescued by the LyX-Mac developers.


Johannes


Am 22.09.2009 um 15:52 schrieb James C. Sutherland:



On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX  
crashes (you get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains  
functional and I have not experienced any loss of work.  So I would  
personally not shy away from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[BH]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de wrote:
 Just my two cents:

 I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
 any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
 nagging you as they appear quite often.

 My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
 have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
 previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
 incompatibility issue as well.
 So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be rescued by
 the LyX-Mac developers.

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)

*Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.

BH

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Really sad landscape then. I think Snow Leopard will be kept at bay. I
have a wife writing her thesis and I don't want to mess up with here
rhythm as nagging error messages are known to disrupt it. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:21 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus knausli...@freenet.de 
 wrote:
 Just my two cents:

 I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
 any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
 nagging you as they appear quite often.

 My own experiments on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
 have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
 previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
 incompatibility issue as well.
 So I'm also waiting for an official solution, hoping I will be rescued by
 the LyX-Mac developers.

 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)

 *Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
 feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
 so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
 Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.

 BH

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Christian Liesen]

 I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
 developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
 help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
 from being a developer.)


What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

-- Christian

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Julio Rojas  writes:

> Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?

No :(

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[James C. Sutherland]

On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas  writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX "crashes" (you  
get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains functional and I have  
not experienced any loss of work.  So I would personally not shy away  
from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Johannes Knaus]

Just my two cents:

I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't  
loose any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will  
also keep nagging you as they appear quite often.


My own "experiments" on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I  
apparently have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of  
it (see my previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from- 
Macports-Snow-Leopard incompatibility issue as well.
So I'm also waiting for an "official" solution, hoping I will be  
rescued by the LyX-Mac developers.


Johannes


Am 22.09.2009 um 15:52 schrieb James C. Sutherland:



On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Julio Rojas  writes:


Dear all, does LyX 1.6.4.1 solve the problem with Snow Leopard?


No :(


But fortunately the problem is only an annoyance.  LyX  
"crashes" (you get an OSX crash warning), but the app remains  
functional and I have not experienced any loss of work.  So I would  
personally not shy away from the OS upgrade due to LyX fears.


Now if you are a software developer, that is another story.  The 32  
bit to 64 bit transition can be a bit painful!


James

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[BH]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus  wrote:
> Just my two cents:
>
> I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
> any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
> nagging you as they appear quite often.
>
> My own "experiments" on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
> have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
> previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
> incompatibility issue as well.
> So I'm also waiting for an "official" solution, hoping I will be rescued by
> the LyX-Mac developers.

I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
from being a developer.)

*Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.

BH

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Julio Rojas]

Really sad landscape then. I think Snow Leopard will be kept at bay. I
have a wife writing her thesis and I don't want to mess up with here
rhythm as nagging error messages are known to disrupt it. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:21 PM, BH  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Johannes Knaus  
> wrote:
>> Just my two cents:
>>
>> I would wait until the crashes are fixed. It is true that you don't loose
>> any work as LyX keeps on running, but the crash warnings will also keep
>> nagging you as they appear quite often.
>>
>> My own "experiments" on compiling LyX on 10.6 have failed, as I apparently
>> have installed the wrong QT-version and cannot get rid of it (see my
>> previous post on this). There seems to be a QT-from-Macports-Snow-Leopard
>> incompatibility issue as well.
>> So I'm also waiting for an "official" solution, hoping I will be rescued by
>> the LyX-Mac developers.
>
> I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
> developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
> help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
> from being a developer.)
>
> *Perhaps* things will change when I transition to 10.6, but I have a
> feeling that's going to be a while since my personal Macs are PPC (and
> so cannot run 10.6), and the IT department at work (where I have an
> Intel Mac) is conservative about upgrades.
>
> BH
>

Re: LyX 1.6.4.1 and Snow Leopard

[Christian Liesen]

>
> I hope you're not holding your breath. We really don't have any LyX
> developers on Mac, and we'd welcome anyone with expertise who could
> help out here. (I'm able to package up the binaries, but that's far
> from being a developer.)
>

What exactly would a LyX developer on Mac need to know? I'm just curious.

-- Christian