Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-10 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

I think I must have misunderstood just a bit what you were wanting with the 
\wide environment effect.  Glad its working still.

Daron

On 9 Dec 2010, at 16:44, george legge wrote:

 Hi Daron and Stefano,
 
 Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need \wide 
 and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.
 
 Stefano, I tested your comments on only a single paragraph allowed within a 
 pagenote.
 True, return or shift return are not accepted within a pagenote;
 however cntrl return [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
 This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a 
 pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.
 
 Incidentally, cntrl shift return [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.
 
 Cheers, George
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 George, Daron,
 
 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
 suffers from two   problems:
 
 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
 are okay.
 



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-10 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

I think I must have misunderstood just a bit what you were wanting with the 
\wide environment effect.  Glad its working still.

Daron

On 9 Dec 2010, at 16:44, george legge wrote:

 Hi Daron and Stefano,
 
 Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need \wide 
 and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.
 
 Stefano, I tested your comments on only a single paragraph allowed within a 
 pagenote.
 True, return or shift return are not accepted within a pagenote;
 however cntrl return [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
 This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a 
 pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.
 
 Incidentally, cntrl shift return [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.
 
 Cheers, George
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 George, Daron,
 
 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
 suffers from two   problems:
 
 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
 are okay.
 



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-10 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

I think I must have misunderstood just a bit what you were wanting with the 
\wide environment effect.  Glad its working still.

Daron

On 9 Dec 2010, at 16:44, george legge wrote:

> Hi Daron and Stefano,
> 
> Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need \wide 
> and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.
> 
> Stefano, I tested your comments on "only a single paragraph allowed within a 
> pagenote".
> True, "return" or "shift return" are not accepted within a pagenote;
> however "cntrl return" [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
> This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a 
> pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.
> 
> Incidentally, "cntrl shift return" [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.
> 
> Cheers, George
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi  
> wrote:
> George, Daron,
> 
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
> suffers from two   problems:
> 
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
> are okay.
> 



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-09 Thread george legge
Hi Daron and Stefano,

Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need
\wide and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.

Stefano, I tested your comments on only a single paragraph allowed within a
pagenote.
True, return or shift return are not accepted within a pagenote;
however cntrl return [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a
pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.

Incidentally, cntrl shift return [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.

Cheers, George




On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:

 George, Daron,

 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
 currently suffers from two   problems:

 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
 are okay.



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-09 Thread george legge
Hi Daron and Stefano,

Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need
\wide and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.

Stefano, I tested your comments on only a single paragraph allowed within a
pagenote.
True, return or shift return are not accepted within a pagenote;
however cntrl return [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a
pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.

Incidentally, cntrl shift return [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.

Cheers, George




On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:

 George, Daron,

 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
 currently suffers from two   problems:

 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
 are okay.



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-09 Thread george legge
Hi Daron and Stefano,

Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need
\wide and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.

Stefano, I tested your comments on "only a single paragraph allowed within a
pagenote".
True, "return" or "shift return" are not accepted within a pagenote;
however "cntrl return" [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a
pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.

Incidentally, "cntrl shift return" [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.

Cheers, George




On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> George, Daron,
>
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
> currently suffers from two   problems:
>
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
> are okay.
>


Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread stefano franchi
George, Daron,

please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently
suffers from two   problems:

1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
are okay.

2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
\foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected
(you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
\index command).

Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first
one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).

You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on
computer.text.tex:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#

Cheers,

Stefano
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge gandmle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect
 to see for endnotes.
 The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after
 \printpagenotes*.
 That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

 Incidentally, why the asterisk?
 With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers.
 (and they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

 Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

 Cheers, George




 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.comwrote:

 George,

 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
 own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
 before in the memoir manual.

 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
 long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
 class-specific commands.

 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've
 done is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs
 off of the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for
 all lines).  There are two possible options (available by
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
 off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.

 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
 section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
 put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*


 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.

 Regards,

 Daron




 =

 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote

 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote

 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be
 used later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}

 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
 numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
 box

 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
 (rightjustified).

 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

 =








 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

  I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
 footnotes;
  that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
 followed immediately by the endnote text.
  If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread george legge
Thank you Stefano for that useful information.
Cheers, George

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:

 George, Daron,

 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
 currently suffers from two   problems:

 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
 are okay.

 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
 \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected
 (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
 \index command).



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread Daron Wilson
Thanks very much for the heads-up.  I've not run into the problem yet, but I 
can see it looming ahead.

Regards,

Daron   


On 8 Dec 2010, at 20:45, stefano franchi wrote:

 George, Daron,
 
 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
 suffers from two   problems:
 
 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
 are okay.
 
 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and 
 \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected 
 (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the 
 \index command).
 
 Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first 
 one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).
 
 You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on 
 computer.text.tex:
 
 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge gandmle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to 
 see for endnotes.
 The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after 
 \printpagenotes*.
 That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.
 
 Incidentally, why the asterisk?
 With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and 
 they won't appear in a T.O.C.).
 
 Thanks again -- you have been a great help.
 
 Cheers, George
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.com wrote:
 George,
 
 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would 
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own 
 commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to 
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, 
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I 
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little 
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found 
 before in the memoir manual.
 
 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
 way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
 class-specific commands.
 
 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done 
 is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of 
 the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all 
 lines).  There are two possible options (available by 
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the 
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs off 
 of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
 
 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section 
 of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
 following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
 
 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*
 
 
 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
 and some helpful background in chapter 12.
 
 Regards,
 
 Daron
 
 
 
 
 =
 
 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote
 
 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote
 
 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
 
 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
 later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}
 
 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
 
 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
 
 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
 
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
 
 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
 
 
 
 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
 
 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright 
 (rightjustified).
 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}
 
 =
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread stefano franchi
George, Daron,

please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently
suffers from two   problems:

1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
are okay.

2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
\foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected
(you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
\index command).

Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first
one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).

You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on
computer.text.tex:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#

Cheers,

Stefano
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge gandmle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect
 to see for endnotes.
 The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after
 \printpagenotes*.
 That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

 Incidentally, why the asterisk?
 With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers.
 (and they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

 Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

 Cheers, George




 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.comwrote:

 George,

 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
 own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
 before in the memoir manual.

 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
 long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
 class-specific commands.

 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've
 done is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs
 off of the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for
 all lines).  There are two possible options (available by
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
 off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.

 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
 section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
 put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*


 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.

 Regards,

 Daron




 =

 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote

 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote

 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be
 used later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}

 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
 numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
 box

 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
 (rightjustified).

 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

 =








 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

  I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
 footnotes;
  that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
 followed immediately by the endnote text.
  If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread george legge
Thank you Stefano for that useful information.
Cheers, George

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:

 George, Daron,

 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
 currently suffers from two   problems:

 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
 are okay.

 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
 \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected
 (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
 \index command).



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread Daron Wilson
Thanks very much for the heads-up.  I've not run into the problem yet, but I 
can see it looming ahead.

Regards,

Daron   


On 8 Dec 2010, at 20:45, stefano franchi wrote:

 George, Daron,
 
 please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
 suffers from two   problems:
 
 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
 and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
 are okay.
 
 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and 
 \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are protected 
 (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the 
 \index command).
 
 Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first 
 one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).
 
 You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on 
 computer.text.tex:
 
 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge gandmle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to 
 see for endnotes.
 The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after 
 \printpagenotes*.
 That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.
 
 Incidentally, why the asterisk?
 With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and 
 they won't appear in a T.O.C.).
 
 Thanks again -- you have been a great help.
 
 Cheers, George
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.com wrote:
 George,
 
 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would 
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own 
 commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to 
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, 
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I 
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little 
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found 
 before in the memoir manual.
 
 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
 way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
 class-specific commands.
 
 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done 
 is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of 
 the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all 
 lines).  There are two possible options (available by 
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the 
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs off 
 of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
 
 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section 
 of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
 following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
 
 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*
 
 
 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
 and some helpful background in chapter 12.
 
 Regards,
 
 Daron
 
 
 
 
 =
 
 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote
 
 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote
 
 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
 
 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
 later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}
 
 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
 
 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
 
 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
 
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
 
 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
 
 
 
 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
 
 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright 
 (rightjustified).
 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}
 
 =
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread stefano franchi
George, Daron,

please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently
suffers from two   problems:

1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
are okay.

2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
\foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are "protected"
(you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
\index command).

Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first
one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).

You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on
computer.text.tex:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#

Cheers,

Stefano
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge  wrote:

> Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect
> to see for endnotes.
> The only addition I made was to add "\wide" before and "\endwide" after
> "\printpagenotes*".
> That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.
>
> Incidentally, why the asterisk?
> With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers.
> (and they won't appear in a T.O.C.).
>
> Thanks again -- you have been a great help.
>
> Cheers, George
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson wrote:
>
>> George,
>>
>> The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
>> require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
>> own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
>> conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
>> but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
>> believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
>> familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
>> before in the memoir manual.
>>
>> Caveats:
>> *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
>> long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
>> *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
>> class-specific commands.
>>
>> I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've
>> done is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs
>> off of the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by "indented for
>> all lines").  There are two possible options (available by
>> commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
>> paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
>> off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
>>
>> You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
>> section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
>> put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
>>
>> \clearpage
>> \printpagenotes*
>>
>>
>> The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
>> 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Daron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =
>>
>> %% Depends on memoir
>> %   tell memoir to use endnotes
>> \makepagenote
>>
>> %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
>> \foottopagenote
>>
>> %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
>> \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
>> \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
>>
>> %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be
>> used later
>> \newlength{\notenumberlength}
>>
>> %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
>> numbers
>> \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
>>
>> %   add some space between notes
>> \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
>>
>> %:> use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
>>
>> %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
>> 99. and a space, in normal font
>> \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
>>
>> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
>> box
>>
>> \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
>>
>>
>>
>> %:> use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
>> %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
>> %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
>>
>> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
>> (rightjustified).
>>
>> %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}
>>
>> =
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:
>>
>> > I am using 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread george legge
Thank you Stefano for that useful information.
Cheers, George

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> George, Daron,
>
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
> currently suffers from two   problems:
>
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
> are okay.
>
> 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
> \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are "protected"
> (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
> \index command).
>


Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-08 Thread Daron Wilson
Thanks very much for the heads-up.  I've not run into the problem yet, but I 
can see it looming ahead.

Regards,

Daron   


On 8 Dec 2010, at 20:45, stefano franchi wrote:

> George, Daron,
> 
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx currently 
> suffers from two   problems:
> 
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command 
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes 
> are okay.
> 
> 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and 
> \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are "protected" 
> (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the 
> \index command).
> 
> Lars Madsen, the maintainer of memoir, is working on both issues (the first 
> one is trivial, apparently, the second one less so).
> 
> You may follow up the details of the copnversation we have been having on 
> computer.text.tex:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4793e5cfd369907f#
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefano
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:33 AM, george legge  wrote:
> Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to 
> see for endnotes.
> The only addition I made was to add "\wide" before and "\endwide" after 
> "\printpagenotes*".
> That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.
> 
> Incidentally, why the asterisk?
> With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and 
> they won't appear in a T.O.C.).
> 
> Thanks again -- you have been a great help.
> 
> Cheers, George
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson  wrote:
> George,
> 
> The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would 
> require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own 
> commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to 
> conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, 
> but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I 
> believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little 
> familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found 
> before in the memoir manual.
> 
> Caveats:
> *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
> way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
> *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
> class-specific commands.
> 
> I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done 
> is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of 
> the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by "indented for all 
> lines").  There are two possible options (available by 
> commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the 
> paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs off 
> of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
> 
> You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section 
> of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
> following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
> 
> \clearpage
> \printpagenotes*
> 
> 
> The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
> and some helpful background in chapter 12.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =
> 
> %% Depends on memoir
> %   tell memoir to use endnotes
> \makepagenote
> 
> %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
> \foottopagenote
> 
> %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
> \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
> \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
> 
> %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
> later
> \newlength{\notenumberlength}
> 
> %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
> \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
> 
> %   add some space between notes
> \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
> 
> %:> use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
> 
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 
> 99. and a space, in normal font
> \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
> 
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
> \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
> 
> 
> 
> %:> use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
> %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
> 
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright 
> (rightjustified).
> 

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would require 
some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own commands 
to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to conflict with the 
endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, but the class does 
provide all the same functionality, and a little more I believe.  I've been 
using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little familiarity there, and 
I tried to hack something up from things I found before in the memoir manual.

Caveats:
*I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
*this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
class-specific commands.

I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done is 
made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of the 
note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all lines).  
There are two possible options (available by commenting/uncommenting a few 
appropriate lines): either to hang the paragraphs of of a superscript without a 
space, or to hang the paragraphs off of normal text size numbers with a period 
and a space. 

You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section of 
your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

\clearpage
\printpagenotes*


The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
and some helpful background in chapter 12.

Regards,

Daron




=

%% Depends on memoir
%   tell memoir to use endnotes
\makepagenote

%   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
\foottopagenote

%   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
\renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
\renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

%   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
later
\newlength{\notenumberlength}

%   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
\renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

%   add some space between notes
\renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

%: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

%   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 99. 
and a space, in normal font
\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



%: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
%   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
%\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright (rightjustified).
%\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

=








On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

 I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of footnotes; 
 that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and followed 
 immediately by the endnote text.
 If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
 
 This happens whether I employ insert footnote and the module foot to end 
 or I employ the more recent InsertCustom:InsetsCustom Endnote.
 I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and 
 difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
 
 What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way, namely:
 a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all lines)?
 
 Cheers, George



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread george legge
Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to
see for endnotes.
The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after
\printpagenotes*.
That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

Incidentally, why the asterisk?
With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and
they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

Cheers, George



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.com wrote:

 George,

 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
 own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
 before in the memoir manual.

 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
 long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
 class-specific commands.

 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done
 is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of
 the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all
 lines).  There are two possible options (available by
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
 off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.

 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
 section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
 put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*


 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.

 Regards,

 Daron




 =

 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote

 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote

 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used
 later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}

 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
 numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
 box

 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
 (rightjustified).

 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

 =








 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

  I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
 footnotes;
  that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
 followed immediately by the endnote text.
  If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
 
  This happens whether I employ insert footnote and the module foot to
 end or I employ the more recent InsertCustom:InsetsCustom Endnote.
  I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and
 difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
 
  What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way,
 namely:
  a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all
 lines)?
 
  Cheers, George




Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would require 
some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own commands 
to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to conflict with the 
endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, but the class does 
provide all the same functionality, and a little more I believe.  I've been 
using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little familiarity there, and 
I tried to hack something up from things I found before in the memoir manual.

Caveats:
*I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
*this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
class-specific commands.

I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done is 
made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of the 
note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all lines).  
There are two possible options (available by commenting/uncommenting a few 
appropriate lines): either to hang the paragraphs of of a superscript without a 
space, or to hang the paragraphs off of normal text size numbers with a period 
and a space. 

You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section of 
your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

\clearpage
\printpagenotes*


The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
and some helpful background in chapter 12.

Regards,

Daron




=

%% Depends on memoir
%   tell memoir to use endnotes
\makepagenote

%   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
\foottopagenote

%   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
\renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
\renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

%   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
later
\newlength{\notenumberlength}

%   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
\renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

%   add some space between notes
\renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

%: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

%   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 99. 
and a space, in normal font
\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



%: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
%   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
%\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright (rightjustified).
%\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

=








On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

 I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of footnotes; 
 that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and followed 
 immediately by the endnote text.
 If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
 
 This happens whether I employ insert footnote and the module foot to end 
 or I employ the more recent InsertCustom:InsetsCustom Endnote.
 I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and 
 difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
 
 What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way, namely:
 a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all lines)?
 
 Cheers, George



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread george legge
Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to
see for endnotes.
The only addition I made was to add \wide before and \endwide after
\printpagenotes*.
That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

Incidentally, why the asterisk?
With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and
they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

Cheers, George



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson daron.wil...@gmail.com wrote:

 George,

 The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
 require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
 own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
 conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
 but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
 believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
 familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
 before in the memoir manual.

 Caveats:
 *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
 long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
 *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
 class-specific commands.

 I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done
 is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of
 the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by indented for all
 lines).  There are two possible options (available by
 commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
 paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
 off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.

 You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
 section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
 put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

 \clearpage
 \printpagenotes*


 The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.

 Regards,

 Daron




 =

 %% Depends on memoir
 %   tell memoir to use endnotes
 \makepagenote

 %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
 \foottopagenote

 %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
 \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
 \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

 %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used
 later
 \newlength{\notenumberlength}

 %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
 numbers
 \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

 %   add some space between notes
 \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

 %: use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

 %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
 99. and a space, in normal font
 \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
 box

 \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



 %: use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
 %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
 %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

 %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
 (rightjustified).

 %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

 =








 On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

  I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
 footnotes;
  that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
 followed immediately by the endnote text.
  If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
 
  This happens whether I employ insert footnote and the module foot to
 end or I employ the more recent InsertCustom:InsetsCustom Endnote.
  I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and
 difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
 
  What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way,
 namely:
  a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all
 lines)?
 
  Cheers, George




Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread Daron Wilson
George,

The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would require 
some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its own commands 
to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to conflict with the 
endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same, but the class does 
provide all the same functionality, and a little more I believe.  I've been 
using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little familiarity there, and 
I tried to hack something up from things I found before in the memoir manual.

Caveats:
*I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the long 
way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
*this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on 
class-specific commands.

I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done is 
made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of the 
note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by "indented for all lines").  
There are two possible options (available by commenting/uncommenting a few 
appropriate lines): either to hang the paragraphs of of a superscript without a 
space, or to hang the paragraphs off of normal text size numbers with a period 
and a space. 

You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble section of 
your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is put the 
following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:

\clearpage
\printpagenotes*


The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section 17.4, 
and some helpful background in chapter 12.

Regards,

Daron




=

%% Depends on memoir
%   tell memoir to use endnotes
\makepagenote

%   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
\foottopagenote

%   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
\renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
\renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}

%   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used 
later
\newlength{\notenumberlength}

%   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note numbers
\renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}

%   add some space between notes
\renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}

%:> use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers

%   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number 99. 
and a space, in normal font
\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own box
\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}



%:> use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
%   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
%\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}

%   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright (rightjustified).
%\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}

=








On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:

> I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of footnotes; 
> that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and followed 
> immediately by the endnote text.
> If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
> 
> This happens whether I employ "insert footnote" and the module "foot to end" 
> or I employ the more recent Insert>Custom:Insets>Custom Endnote.
> I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and 
> difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
> 
> What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way, namely:
> a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all lines)?
> 
> Cheers, George



Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

2010-12-07 Thread george legge
Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to
see for endnotes.
The only addition I made was to add "\wide" before and "\endwide" after
"\printpagenotes*".
That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

Incidentally, why the asterisk?
With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and
they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

Cheers, George



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson  wrote:

> George,
>
> The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
> require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
> own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
> conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
> but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
> believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
> familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
> before in the memoir manual.
>
> Caveats:
> *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
> long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
> *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
> class-specific commands.
>
> I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done
> is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of
> the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by "indented for all
> lines").  There are two possible options (available by
> commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
> paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
> off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
>
> You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
> section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
> put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
>
> \clearpage
> \printpagenotes*
>
>
> The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
> 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daron
>
>
>
>
> =
>
> %% Depends on memoir
> %   tell memoir to use endnotes
> \makepagenote
>
> %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
> \foottopagenote
>
> %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
> \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
> \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
>
> %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used
> later
> \newlength{\notenumberlength}
>
> %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
> numbers
> \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
>
> %   add some space between notes
> \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
>
> %:> use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
>
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
> 99. and a space, in normal font
> \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
>
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
> box
>
> \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
>
>
>
> %:> use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
> %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
>
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
> (rightjustified).
>
> %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}
>
> =
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:
>
> > I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
> footnotes;
> > that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
> followed immediately by the endnote text.
> > If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
> >
> > This happens whether I employ "insert footnote" and the module "foot to
> end" or I employ the more recent Insert>Custom:Insets>Custom Endnote.
> > I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and
> difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
> >
> > What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way,
> namely:
> > a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all
> lines)?
> >
> > Cheers, George
>
>